Sports bar would 'disturb residents and encourage men to abandon families'

Sports bar would 'disturb residents and encourage men to abandon families'

Sports bar would 'disturb residents and encourage men to abandon families'

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PLANS for an indoor golf club and sports bar would disturb neighbours and ‘encourage men to abandon their families’.

An American-style sports bar and restaurant featuring an 18-hole mini golf course and five golf simulators could be built in Castle Street.

But a number of objections have already been raised by residents in surrounding streets, with neighbours worried about increased noise and anti-social behaviour, and future fears that it could become a nightclub.

In a letter of objection written to Wycombe District Council, Corporation Street resident Wendy Millington said: “The proposed sui generis would pave the way for a potential migration to a worse case operation, such as a nightclub...

“I value the council’s efforts to improve amenities in the town centre but this development is totally at odds with the decision to develop this part of town for residential use...

“I fear this development, with its disruption on all seven days and up to midnight, will make Bankside and all nearby properties unliveable.”

Another resident, Louisa Orr, said she did not believe the sports bar would “regenerate the town centre” and highlighted the “overuse” of Castle Street and Corporation Street by taxis and buses.

She added: “The council should not be encouraging adults/fathers to abandon their families to watch sport in a venue where it can't be watched with their children.

“The council should be promoting establishments which bring families together, not tear them apart.”

The developer said it would be a "venue for the whole family" and was "exactly what High Wycombe needs". See full story later this week.

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11:13am Mon 14 Jul 14

chepping100 says...

“a number of objections have already been raised by residents in surrounding streets”

Not true.

The only objections are from eight residents in the flats built on the former Lloyds Bank premises on Corporation Street.

01 June 14 LO, Bankside
03 June 14 JR, Bankside
03 June 14 WM, Bankside
04 June 14 SA, Old Bank House
05 June 14 MB, Bankside
09 June 14 BS, Bankside
10 June 14 M& DW, Bankside
12 June 14TB, Bankside

http://publicaccess.
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This article omits the support for the proposal from All Saints Church and HWBID.

This is exactly the type of development that should be undertaken in a town centre.
“a number of objections have already been raised by residents in surrounding streets” Not true. The only objections are from eight residents in the flats built on the former Lloyds Bank premises on Corporation Street. 01 June 14 LO, Bankside 03 June 14 JR, Bankside 03 June 14 WM, Bankside 04 June 14 SA, Old Bank House 05 June 14 MB, Bankside 09 June 14 BS, Bankside 10 June 14 M& DW, Bankside 12 June 14TB, Bankside http://publicaccess. wycombe.gov.uk/idoxp a-web/applicationDet ails.do?activeTab=do cuments&keyVal=N5WRZ HSCG5000 This article omits the support for the proposal from All Saints Church and HWBID. This is exactly the type of development that should be undertaken in a town centre. chepping100
  • Score: 35

11:48am Mon 14 Jul 14

spiceboy1981ogs says...

Men will abandon their families? Wtf has that got to do with the sports bars owners? They are a business providing a service that is lacking in this area. Has the new owner had their say in this article,because I can't see a quote from them?

Also are women banned from the club as the article suggests? I seriously doubt it.

Perhaps the paper should have done it's homework and the editor do his job and remove the clear sexism portrayed from this 'article'.
Men will abandon their families? Wtf has that got to do with the sports bars owners? They are a business providing a service that is lacking in this area. Has the new owner had their say in this article,because I can't see a quote from them? Also are women banned from the club as the article suggests? I seriously doubt it. Perhaps the paper should have done it's homework and the editor do his job and remove the clear sexism portrayed from this 'article'. spiceboy1981ogs
  • Score: 42

12:29pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Bucks1981 says...

BFP, please can you get the facts directly from the company that is looking to open the bar before you print stories like this.

The suggestion that men would abandon their families to go to a sports bar is absolutely ludicrous (I'd suggest that those that do that, would be down the pub at a weekend watching sport currently anyway). I've spoken to the owners of the new bar and, on the contrary, it sounds like it offers a fantastic chance for families to get involved in fun recreational activities, as the bar is based on golf simulators and I believe there is a putting green/crazy golf element planned for it - sounds pretty family-friendly to me.

I think that anyone who has a new initiative to stimulate foot-fall through and along a high street that is basically dead since the Eden was introduced is a great idea. Also, how many establishments are there that cater to a demographic of people that are in their late 20's/early 30's who want to go out and have a drink with their friends without being intimidated by the loud noise and anti-social behaviour that is associated with many of Wycombe's other drinking establishments?

The objections raised by the locals seem very self-serving to me here and it would be good if you had printed some comments that look at this story in an objective way - rather than printing directly what someone has told you because they, individually, have a problem with what is being proposed.
BFP, please can you get the facts directly from the company that is looking to open the bar before you print stories like this. The suggestion that men would abandon their families to go to a sports bar is absolutely ludicrous (I'd suggest that those that do that, would be down the pub at a weekend watching sport currently anyway). I've spoken to the owners of the new bar and, on the contrary, it sounds like it offers a fantastic chance for families to get involved in fun recreational activities, as the bar is based on golf simulators and I believe there is a putting green/crazy golf element planned for it - sounds pretty family-friendly to me. I think that anyone who has a new initiative to stimulate foot-fall through and along a high street that is basically dead since the Eden was introduced is a great idea. Also, how many establishments are there that cater to a demographic of people that are in their late 20's/early 30's who want to go out and have a drink with their friends without being intimidated by the loud noise and anti-social behaviour that is associated with many of Wycombe's other drinking establishments? The objections raised by the locals seem very self-serving to me here and it would be good if you had printed some comments that look at this story in an objective way - rather than printing directly what someone has told you because they, individually, have a problem with what is being proposed. Bucks1981
  • Score: 30

12:43pm Mon 14 Jul 14

jayeatman says...

Whatever happened to journalist's bylines?
At least then we'd know who the idiot who wrote this tripe is.
Or is this a subtle attempt to discredit the objectors by reporting their ludicrous blatherings verbatim? Somehow I doubt it.
Whatever happened to journalist's bylines? At least then we'd know who the idiot who wrote this tripe is. Or is this a subtle attempt to discredit the objectors by reporting their ludicrous blatherings verbatim? Somehow I doubt it. jayeatman
  • Score: 5

1:21pm Mon 14 Jul 14

chepping100 says...

Other comments from the objector:

http://publicaccess.
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‘Castle St and Corporation St are already over used by buses and taxis’

‘Furthermore, "sports bars" are often largely frequented by men and are not always welcoming environments for women. The local community does not wish to have packs of drunken males in the vicinity of this growing residential area which will have an impact on women's safety.’

‘Where there are DJs there can be drugs.’

‘TexMex is unhealthy food which the Council should not be encouraging given the current obesity crisis and surplus pizza parlours in the vicinity.’

‘BBQ food will have a negative impact on an independent restaurant in town. Does the Council want to be responsible for its closure?’
Other comments from the objector: http://publicaccess. wycombe.gov.uk/idoxp a-web/files/705153F0 49554DCD2CFB2C58B0D1 E6F3/pdf/14_06368_FU L-NEIGHBOUR_COMMENT_ _OBJECTION__SUBMITTE D_ONLINE-3065704.pdf ‘Castle St and Corporation St are already over used by buses and taxis’ ‘Furthermore, "sports bars" are often largely frequented by men and are not always welcoming environments for women. The local community does not wish to have packs of drunken males in the vicinity of this growing residential area which will have an impact on women's safety.’ ‘Where there are DJs there can be drugs.’ ‘TexMex is unhealthy food which the Council should not be encouraging given the current obesity crisis and surplus pizza parlours in the vicinity.’ ‘BBQ food will have a negative impact on an independent restaurant in town. Does the Council want to be responsible for its closure?’ chepping100
  • Score: -2

1:28pm Mon 14 Jul 14

chepping100 says...

Bucks1981:
If you support the planning application then submit your comments here:

http://publicaccess.
wycombe.gov.uk/idoxp
a-web/applicationDet
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cuments&keyVal=N5WRZ
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Bucks1981: If you support the planning application then submit your comments here: http://publicaccess. wycombe.gov.uk/idoxp a-web/applicationDet ails.do?activeTab=do cuments&keyVal=N5WRZ HSCG5000 chepping100
  • Score: 0

5:15pm Mon 14 Jul 14

VH1980 says...

I would suggest the objectors get their facts straight before commenting on this proposed new bar. To say it would tear families apart and encourage men to abandon their children to watch sport is ludicrous! The article comes across as totally sexist and I take offence to it insinuating that a woman would not be able to use the bar (but will be at home with the kids whilst the man is out, how 1950s!) I for one am looking forward to having a venue in town which will cater for men, women and children where we can all come to enjoy the facilities as a family
I would suggest the objectors get their facts straight before commenting on this proposed new bar. To say it would tear families apart and encourage men to abandon their children to watch sport is ludicrous! The article comes across as totally sexist and I take offence to it insinuating that a woman would not be able to use the bar (but will be at home with the kids whilst the man is out, how 1950s!) I for one am looking forward to having a venue in town which will cater for men, women and children where we can all come to enjoy the facilities as a family VH1980
  • Score: 9

5:49pm Mon 14 Jul 14

fishyfingerz says...

well Ms Louisa Orr sounds a right barrel of laughs.
I disagree with her and would suggest that Wycombe does need this type of establishment. With the cost of tv sports packages, not all people have access at home to watch sports on tv. i would suggest that there are no family friendly places in wycombe to watch televised sport, therefore this would be a unique venue for wycombe.

maybe she should consider that the town has lost 2 community centres as they were under utilized.

I really would like to meet this stuck up woman to see if she really is as boring and selfish as she comes across
well Ms Louisa Orr sounds a right barrel of laughs. I disagree with her and would suggest that Wycombe does need this type of establishment. With the cost of tv sports packages, not all people have access at home to watch sports on tv. i would suggest that there are no family friendly places in wycombe to watch televised sport, therefore this would be a unique venue for wycombe. maybe she should consider that the town has lost 2 community centres as they were under utilized. I really would like to meet this stuck up woman to see if she really is as boring and selfish as she comes across fishyfingerz
  • Score: 8

5:50pm Mon 14 Jul 14

fishyfingerz says...

p.s. texmex is not pizza
p.s. texmex is not pizza fishyfingerz
  • Score: 3

5:56pm Mon 14 Jul 14

fishyfingerz says...

a quck look at her facebook page proves my suspicions correct on louisa orr
a quck look at her facebook page proves my suspicions correct on louisa orr fishyfingerz
  • Score: 5

12:49pm Tue 15 Jul 14

olski84 says...

The objections to this application do seem very self serving, and without fact or statistics when making such bold claims.

After the Eden development this side of the town has not provided anything of this calibre for families and I do mean families (after actually reading the plans it is looking to provide entertainment in the form of mini golf and golf simulators. Lets face it who doesn't like mini-golf?)

What I am trying to fathom is, if you are not prepared for the "hustle and bustle" of a town centre, why would you live one/two streets away from it's high street. Transport options are going to have a high chance of being located in this area.

A sports bar with restaurant, mini-golf, and golf simulators...fantast
ic idea. I wish it every success
The objections to this application do seem very self serving, and without fact or statistics when making such bold claims. After the Eden development this side of the town has not provided anything of this calibre for families and I do mean families (after actually reading the plans it is looking to provide entertainment in the form of mini golf and golf simulators. Lets face it who doesn't like mini-golf?) What I am trying to fathom is, if you are not prepared for the "hustle and bustle" of a town centre, why would you live one/two streets away from it's high street. Transport options are going to have a high chance of being located in this area. A sports bar with restaurant, mini-golf, and golf simulators...fantast ic idea. I wish it every success olski84
  • Score: 4

2:21pm Tue 15 Jul 14

chepping100 says...

olski84
"A sports bar with restaurant, mini-golf, and golf simulators...fantast
ic idea. I wish it every success"

Then support it at:
http://publicaccess.
wycombe.gov.uk/idoxp
a-web/applicationDet
ails.do?activeTab=do
cuments&keyVal=N5WRZ
HSCG5000

Otherwise the objectors will prevail.
olski84 "A sports bar with restaurant, mini-golf, and golf simulators...fantast ic idea. I wish it every success" Then support it at: http://publicaccess. wycombe.gov.uk/idoxp a-web/applicationDet ails.do?activeTab=do cuments&keyVal=N5WRZ HSCG5000 Otherwise the objectors will prevail. chepping100
  • Score: -1

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