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Eden - 'It's what we've been waiting for'
DELIGHTED shoppers have given the thumbs up to High Wycombe's new Eden centre.
As thousands of curious residents poured into the new shopping and leisure centre today, they gave positive feedback on its stores, design and atmosphere.
At times, the streets were so crowded that shoppers were restricted to a shuffle. But, they were entertained along the way by the Vitae West African drummers and dancers who drew dozens of spectators.
In nearby Frogmoor, people queued around the pedestrianised square for their free ride on the 80ft Wycombe Wheel, while the SV2G Steel Orchestra and Adanta dance group entertained passing shoppers.
Julie Stroud, 39, from Totteridge, said: "It's about time we had something decent. We've waited so long for it and I think it's really good. It's got all the shops we want to be here - all the big brands.
"I get the feeling there's not much shopping being done here today - people are just coming for a browse, like we are.
"I'm just wondering now how shops in other areas of the town will fair."
By lunchtime, both the Eden and Swan car parks were full and motorists had to find alternative places to leave their vehicles before they could start shopping.
Queues formed by the pay machines on the ground floor of the Eden car park and some drivers complained that there was not enough signage to direct the to alternative payment areas or to help them navigate around the new car park layout.
Wendy Dunn, 39, had walked into town with her daughter Nicole, 12, to explore the new centre and go to the cinema.
She said: "I love it. It's so busy. It's a big difference to the outside car park that used to be here.
I think it's lovely, especially because most of it is covered to protect you from the rain. There are lots of goo shops that we haven't before, like H&M which you had to travel to Reading for.
"There's so much more for the kids to do now too. That's what was needed for the town.
"I don't know exactly what we were expecting but I'm just glad there's so much here. It's going to bring so many people in from other areas - that's what they want of course but I don't know what that will mean for us here.
"I was quite disappointed that some shops haven't opened yet and some haven't even been let. Maybe they should have put the opening day back a couple of weeks to get everything ready."
But Daniel Tomkinson, Eden centre manager, said: "To have as many shops as we've got open today is a big plus. A few more will be opening in the coming days and weeks. Eden is going to continue to grow. We've started with a very strong offer and that's just going to get better and better."
4:47pm Saturday 15th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: Plus ça change..., Wycombe on 10:40pm Sat 15 Mar 08
How about Eden asking the Wycombe public what other stores & shops we would like to see in their empty slots?
Or could we put positive ideas through to them directly at their site?
To whom?
Would be nice to know if they are receptive to ideas.
How about Eden asking the Wycombe public what other stores & shops we would like to see in their empty slots?
Or could we put positive ideas through to them directly at their site?
To whom?
Would be nice to know if they are receptive to ideas.
Posted by: George - Wycombe on 10:43pm Sat 15 Mar 08
Car Parks full.
People restricted to a shuffle.
Day One 50 minute delay getting out of car parks.
Day Two, Fire Brigade have to rescue shoppers trapped in a lift.
Day Three, Car Parks full people restricted to a shuffle.
Anyone looking forward to Xmas shopping?
A £300 million design fault and the ratepayers are lumbered with it.
Car Parks full.
People restricted to a shuffle.
Day One 50 minute delay getting out of car parks.
Day Two, Fire Brigade have to rescue shoppers trapped in a lift.
Day Three, Car Parks full people restricted to a shuffle.
Anyone looking forward to Xmas shopping?
A £300 million design fault and the ratepayers are lumbered with it.
Posted by: DaveyBoy2008, High Wycombe on 10:48pm Sat 15 Mar 08
Yep, and we have an Apple retailer coming to town! another big name to the new centre!...i think when those units are filled, it will have a bigger n more positive impact on the town...well it has already on what we have!
Yep, and we have an Apple retailer coming to town! another big name to the new centre!...i think when those units are filled, it will have a bigger n more positive impact on the town...well it has already on what we have!
Posted by: Ivor on 10:59pm Sat 15 Mar 08
[quote]I get the feeling there's not much shopping being done here today - people are just coming for a browse, like we are[/quote]Precisely! The idea of the shopping centre is to make money by selling goods not for people to come and browse.
From day one there have been lots of people there but they have all been walking through. I haven’t seen many people actually at the tills buying things. Perhaps this is because the complex is not selling the items we really want? Clothes and shoes are in abundance but not the other items we need for our everyday lives!
[bold]Have you read my special blog on the opening of the new complex?[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
I get the feeling there's not much shopping being done here today - people are just coming for a browse, like we are
Precisely! The idea of the shopping centre is to make money by selling goods not for people to come and browse.
From day one there have been lots of people there but they have all been walking through. I haven’t seen many people actually at the tills buying things. Perhaps this is because the complex is not selling the items we really want? Clothes and shoes are in abundance but not the other items we need for our everyday lives!
Have you read my special blog on the opening of the new complex? Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: bexs, high wycombe on 11:16pm Sat 15 Mar 08
oh shut up Ivor. No where on any retail outlet doors does it say you have to buy! You dont go down to a car show room, get in the first car and drive it out do you! NO. You try before you buy, and with so many different lovely shops to look at we are all spoilt for choice. Sure there are a few people who are just browsing, but thats not a crime is it - thats how word of mouth is spread. You really are very miserable Ivor.
oh shut up Ivor. No where on any retail outlet doors does it say you have to buy! You dont go down to a car show room, get in the first car and drive it out do you! NO. You try before you buy, and with so many different lovely shops to look at we are all spoilt for choice. Sure there are a few people who are just browsing, but thats not a crime is it - thats how word of mouth is spread. You really are very miserable Ivor.
Posted by: erm, ermsville on 11:30pm Sat 15 Mar 08
all major developments have teething troubles that get ironed out
all major developments have teething troubles that get ironed out
Posted by: Ivor on 11:30pm Sat 15 Mar 08
Re the comments of bexs, high wycombe on 11:16pm
But the shops should be looking to recoup the start up costs ASAP. Usually a business will expect to get a significant proportion of their initial investment returned from the huge sales they will expect to make on the opening day. People just walking by are no good they have to be spending.
In a few months the crowds will diminish as the novelty factor wears off. The sales need to be made now not in six months time!
Re the comments of bexs, high wycombe on 11:16pm
But the shops should be looking to recoup the start up costs ASAP. Usually a business will expect to get a significant proportion of their initial investment returned from the huge sales they will expect to make on the opening day. People just walking by are no good they have to be spending.
In a few months the crowds will diminish as the novelty factor wears off. The sales need to be made now not in six months time!
Posted by: Photographer, High Wycombe on 11:30pm Sat 15 Mar 08
[quote][bold]George - Wycombe[/bold] wrote:
Car Parks full.
People restricted to a shuffle.
Day One 50 minute delay getting out of car parks.
Day Two, Fire Brigade have to rescue shoppers trapped in a lift.
Day Three, Car Parks full people restricted to a shuffle.
Anyone looking forward to Xmas shopping?
A £300 million design fault and the ratepayers are lumbered with it.[/quote] You need to understand a huge development like this is never going to work perfectly from day one. It has affected the traffic. Yes. Traffic lights on the Tesco roundabout are (somewhat) wrong, we all know that, so do all those guys in hi-vis jackets you might have seen there today--they're there to work it out.
I'm guessing you always get your job done right the first time? Be more understanding.
George - Wycombe wrote:
Car Parks full.
People restricted to a shuffle.
Day One 50 minute delay getting out of car parks.
Day Two, Fire Brigade have to rescue shoppers trapped in a lift.
Day Three, Car Parks full people restricted to a shuffle.
Anyone looking forward to Xmas shopping?
A £300 million design fault and the ratepayers are lumbered with it.
You need to understand a huge development like this is never going to work perfectly from day one. It has affected the traffic. Yes. Traffic lights on the Tesco roundabout are (somewhat) wrong, we all know that, so do all those guys in hi-vis jackets you might have seen there today--they're there to work it out.
I'm guessing you always get your job done right the first time? Be more understanding.
Posted by: Ivor on 11:37pm Sat 15 Mar 08
[quote][italic]Photographer, High Wycombe on 11:30pm :[/italic]
those guys in hi-vis jackets you might have seen there today--they're there to work it out.[/quote]
Have they not used computer models to run through the traffic loading scenarios? This is the 21st Century! Men have gone to the moon, digital high-definition TV is piped into our houses and we all carry mobile phones. The traffic boffins should never have to be there as they should have worked it all out in the lab!
Read my blog on Tue 4 Mar 2008 to see why the lights will never work – a clue it has something to do with the short distances between the sets of lights and the length of vehicles going round the roundabout.
[bold]Have you read Ivor's blog today?[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Photographer, High Wycombe on 11:30pm :
those guys in hi-vis jackets you might have seen there today--they're there to work it out.
Have they not used computer models to run through the traffic loading scenarios? This is the 21st Century! Men have gone to the moon, digital high-definition TV is piped into our houses and we all carry mobile phones. The traffic boffins should never have to be there as they should have worked it all out in the lab!
Read my blog on Tue 4 Mar 2008 to see why the lights will never work – a clue it has something to do with the short distances between the sets of lights and the length of vehicles going round the roundabout.
Have you read Ivor's blog today? Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: Mike R, Wycombe on 12:08am Sun 16 Mar 08
Hmmmm Ivor, somehow I dont think I will be reading your blog. If it's full of the sort of rubbish you spout on a regular basis here then I for one shall be steering clear. How do we get a petition to get an upbeat, happy, modern, forward thinking person to write blogs instead of some muppet who bangs on about how he wishes bridge st carpark was brought back and faded fire station doors?
Hmmmm Ivor, somehow I dont think I will be reading your blog. If it's full of the sort of rubbish you spout on a regular basis here then I for one shall be steering clear. How do we get a petition to get an upbeat, happy, modern, forward thinking person to write blogs instead of some muppet who bangs on about how he wishes bridge st carpark was brought back and faded fire station doors?
Posted by: Ivor on 12:13am Sun 16 Mar 08
Re the comments of Mike R, Wycombe on 12:08am
But my blog on Tuesday will be upbeat, happy and modern. It will be looking to the future and how this town could evolve!
The Bridge Street car park has passed into history it will never return however the land could have been used in a far better way. As for the doors well they present a bad image to the visitors to the town while they are stuck in the traffic jams. It’s all about image and those doors are letting the town down. I bet if the Queen had opened the complex on Tuesday they would have been painted....
Re the comments of Mike R, Wycombe on 12:08am
But my blog on Tuesday will be upbeat, happy and modern. It will be looking to the future and how this town could evolve!
The Bridge Street car park has passed into history it will never return however the land could have been used in a far better way. As for the doors well they present a bad image to the visitors to the town while they are stuck in the traffic jams. It’s all about image and those doors are letting the town down. I bet if the Queen had opened the complex on Tuesday they would have been painted....
Posted by: scaredlay, hw on 7:56am Sun 16 Mar 08
I work in Wycombe so hope to be able to visit Eden quite a few times,I will wait for the people to die down to a more comfortable level before I pass comment. The likes of Ivor who are constantly bleating on,should he not be standing for the council rather than picking fault with everything they try to do. I can remember the bridge street car park,what we have now is a lot better. I do not see how you could have a multi level shopping centre in the space we had. what I have seen so far looks very nice. As regards the traffic lights we have to use them every day coming into work and going home, both times in the rush hour,and most days we are waiting barely at all. Last thursday we sailed straight over the flyover,roundabout and oxford road lights. Please give it a chance. We are told that real shopping is going downhill against on line shopping,so give Eden a chance to live..
I work in Wycombe so hope to be able to visit Eden quite a few times,I will wait for the people to die down to a more comfortable level before I pass comment. The likes of Ivor who are constantly bleating on,should he not be standing for the council rather than picking fault with everything they try to do. I can remember the bridge street car park,what we have now is a lot better. I do not see how you could have a multi level shopping centre in the space we had. what I have seen so far looks very nice. As regards the traffic lights we have to use them every day coming into work and going home, both times in the rush hour,and most days we are waiting barely at all. Last thursday we sailed straight over the flyover,roundabout and oxford road lights. Please give it a chance. We are told that real shopping is going downhill against on line shopping,so give Eden a chance to live..
Posted by: KatiexMichaela, High Wycombe on 12:26pm Sun 16 Mar 08
I went there on the opening day and we didn't do much shopping on that day because of all the people, we thought we would wait till it calmed down a bit first. I went shopping yesterday evening and it was still busy but I did do a bit of shopping. I should be going down town on Thursday and I am hoping to be doing quite a bit of shopping in Eden then, cause I really like it, I think it has a really good atmosphere. At first I was worried about it changing High Wycombe, but it hasn't really, The Octagon (eden) part, is still quite a lot like how it used to be, just better and the only thing that has changed in Wycombe really is the old Bus Station which I don't really miss.
I really like Eden and I am sure they will make the money back. They have quite a few expensive shops like Monsoon etc.
My Favourite shops there are Marks & Spencers and Next, I will probably spend quite a bit of time in them.
I went there on the opening day and we didn't do much shopping on that day because of all the people, we thought we would wait till it calmed down a bit first. I went shopping yesterday evening and it was still busy but I did do a bit of shopping. I should be going down town on Thursday and I am hoping to be doing quite a bit of shopping in Eden then, cause I really like it, I think it has a really good atmosphere. At first I was worried about it changing High Wycombe, but it hasn't really, The Octagon (eden) part, is still quite a lot like how it used to be, just better and the only thing that has changed in Wycombe really is the old Bus Station which I don't really miss.
I really like Eden and I am sure they will make the money back. They have quite a few expensive shops like Monsoon etc.
My Favourite shops there are Marks & Spencers and Next, I will probably spend quite a bit of time in them.
Posted by: happyshopper, great kingshill on 1:00pm Sun 16 Mar 08
Eden is great and just what Wycombe needs, although I was disappointed on Saturday night to find that there's no evening charge for the car park - £8 on top of cinema entry and a meal. Public transport isn't really an option late at night as my friends all live in different areas. I'll be sticking with the cinema at Cressex.
Eden is great and just what Wycombe needs, although I was disappointed on Saturday night to find that there's no evening charge for the car park - £8 on top of cinema entry and a meal. Public transport isn't really an option late at night as my friends all live in different areas. I'll be sticking with the cinema at Cressex.
Posted by: Ivor on 1:13pm Sun 16 Mar 08
[quote][italic]scaredlay, hw on 7:56am:[/italic]
I do not see how you could have a multi level shopping centre in the space we had.[/quote]But multi-level means going upwards to the sky! There is plenty of space for as many levels as you want after all the sky really is the limit!
[bold]I’ve been shopping at the new complex! Read my blog to find out what happened.[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
scaredlay, hw on 7:56am:
I do not see how you could have a multi level shopping centre in the space we had.
But multi-level means going upwards to the sky! There is plenty of space for as many levels as you want after all the sky really is the limit!
I’ve been shopping at the new complex! Read my blog to find out what happened. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: fm, High Wycombe on 2:29pm Sun 16 Mar 08
IVOR YOU ARE SOO SAD, I ALWAYS IGNORE YOU'RE COMMENTS ON THIS PAGE AS THEY ARE ALWAYS NEGATIVE AND SOO I WOULD SUGGEST YOU GET YOU'RE FACT RIGHT BEFORE YOU POST COMMENTS, AS PEOPLE ARE BECOMING VERY SICK AND TIRED OF YOU AND YOU'RE BECOMING VERY BORING. [bold]bold[/bold]
IVOR YOU ARE SOO SAD, I ALWAYS IGNORE YOU'RE COMMENTS ON THIS PAGE AS THEY ARE ALWAYS NEGATIVE AND SOO I WOULD SUGGEST YOU GET YOU'RE FACT RIGHT BEFORE YOU POST COMMENTS, AS PEOPLE ARE BECOMING VERY SICK AND TIRED OF YOU AND YOU'RE BECOMING VERY BORING.
Posted by: WycombeDad, High Wycombe on 2:31pm Sun 16 Mar 08
Ivor said:
[quote]But the shops should be looking to recoup the start up costs ASAP. Usually a business will expect to get a significant proportion of their initial investment returned from the huge sales they will expect to make on the opening day.[/quote]
What on EARTH are you talking about? I suggest you stick to something you know about Ivor (fire station doors perhaps?). You clearly know nothing about basic business management. A retail business will plan to take a MINIMUM of 3-4 months to cover start up costs and 12-24 months to be breaking even!
You keep bleating on about wanting shops with 'everyday items' but are never specific about what you mean. What did you have in mind that Wycombe doesn't now have?
Ivor said:
But the shops should be looking to recoup the start up costs ASAP. Usually a business will expect to get a significant proportion of their initial investment returned from the huge sales they will expect to make on the opening day.
What on EARTH are you talking about? I suggest you stick to something you know about Ivor (fire station doors perhaps?). You clearly know nothing about basic business management. A retail business will plan to take a MINIMUM of 3-4 months to cover start up costs and 12-24 months to be breaking even!
You keep bleating on about wanting shops with 'everyday items' but are never specific about what you mean. What did you have in mind that Wycombe doesn't now have?
Posted by: Ivor on 2:35pm Sun 16 Mar 08
[quote][italic]fm, High Wycombe on 2:29pm :[/italic]
I WOULD SUGGEST YOU GET YOU'RE FACT RIGHT[/quote]Which fact have I got wrong? The fact that multi-level buildings usually go upwards? Or the fact that the sky really is the limit?
[bold]I’ve been shopping at the new complex! Read my blog to find out what happened.[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
fm, High Wycombe on 2:29pm :
I WOULD SUGGEST YOU GET YOU'RE FACT RIGHT
Which fact have I got wrong? The fact that multi-level buildings usually go upwards? Or the fact that the sky really is the limit?
I’ve been shopping at the new complex! Read my blog to find out what happened. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: Ivor on 2:45pm Sun 16 Mar 08
[quote][italic]WycombeDad, High Wycombe on 2:31pm:[/italic]
You keep bleating on about wanting shops with 'everyday items' but are never specific about what you mean. What did you have in mind that Wycombe doesn't now have?[/quote]If you had been reading my blog you would know. For a start how about washing machines, dishwashers, tumble dryers and other white goods? Where can I see them on display in a town centre shop in Wycombe?
I know they don’t sell them at the complex because I’ve already been to find out (See my new blog entry for further details....)
[bold]I’ve been shopping at the new complex! Read my blog to find out what happened.[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
WycombeDad, High Wycombe on 2:31pm:
You keep bleating on about wanting shops with 'everyday items' but are never specific about what you mean. What did you have in mind that Wycombe doesn't now have?
If you had been reading my blog you would know. For a start how about washing machines, dishwashers, tumble dryers and other white goods? Where can I see them on display in a town centre shop in Wycombe?
I know they don’t sell them at the complex because I’ve already been to find out (See my new blog entry for further details....)
I’ve been shopping at the new complex! Read my blog to find out what happened. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: erm, ermsville on 3:02pm Sun 16 Mar 08
you want to look at those white goods on a daily basis? We have out of town shops which limits congestion in town, best of both worlds.
you want to look at those white goods on a daily basis? We have out of town shops which limits congestion in town, best of both worlds.
Posted by: Ivor on 3:07pm Sun 16 Mar 08
[quote][bold]erm[/bold] wrote:
you want to look at those white goods on a daily basis? We have out of town shops which limits congestion in town, best of both worlds.[/quote] £300m to build a shopping complex and you now say that we have to travel to the “out of town” shops to get what we want! Unbelievable! It should all be under one roof!
Murrays sold it all....
[bold]I’ve been shopping at the new complex! Read my blog to find out what happened.[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
erm wrote:
you want to look at those white goods on a daily basis? We have out of town shops which limits congestion in town, best of both worlds.
£300m to build a shopping complex and you now say that we have to travel to the “out of town” shops to get what we want! Unbelievable! It should all be under one roof!
Murrays sold it all....
I’ve been shopping at the new complex! Read my blog to find out what happened. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: fm, High Wycombe on 3:46pm Sun 16 Mar 08
CARRY OWN WITH YOU'RE FAVOURITE HOBBY, YOU'RE DOING WELL, SOO SAD.[bold]bold[/bold]
CARRY OWN WITH YOU'RE FAVOURITE HOBBY, YOU'RE DOING WELL, SOO SAD.
Posted by: fm, High Wycombe on 3:46pm Sun 16 Mar 08
[quote][bold]fm[/bold] wrote:
CARRY OWN WITH YOU'RE FAVOURITE HOBBY, YOU'RE DOING WELL, SOO SAD.[bold]bold[/bold] [/quote] THIS IS FOR IVOR
fm wrote:
CARRY OWN WITH YOU'RE FAVOURITE HOBBY, YOU'RE DOING WELL, SOO SAD.
THIS IS FOR IVOR
Posted by: WycombeDad, High Wycombe on 3:49pm Sun 16 Mar 08
Ivor, I asked you for everyday items and all you could suggest was expensive white goods that most people would only buy once every half decade! You continue to prove that you are just moaning for moaning's sake Ivor Meldrew.
Plus, as erm rightly says, those items are well catered for already, elsewhere in the town.
I suspect if they were selling more white goods in Eden you'd only be complaining that they have filled it with things already provided in Wycombe!
Ivor, I asked you for everyday items and all you could suggest was expensive white goods that most people would only buy once every half decade! You continue to prove that you are just moaning for moaning's sake Ivor Meldrew.
Plus, as erm rightly says, those items are well catered for already, elsewhere in the town.
I suspect if they were selling more white goods in Eden you'd only be complaining that they have filled it with things already provided in Wycombe!
Posted by: Ivor on 4:00pm Sun 16 Mar 08
Re the comments of WycombeDad, High Wycombe on 3:49pm
Read my blog entry (I’ve just updated it today) and you will see lots of other items you can’t buy at the complex.
True, each household may buy a washing machine every 5 years but there are (approximately) 40,000 households in the Wycombe district. That means that (on average) 8,000 households will replace their washing machines every year. That’s an awful lot of washing machines required but there will be no need to visit the complex to buy them because they’re not on sale there!
Just think of all the money being lost by the businesses in the complex..... Who did the market research when deciding what to sell?
Re the comments of WycombeDad, High Wycombe on 3:49pm
Read my blog entry (I’ve just updated it today) and you will see lots of other items you can’t buy at the complex.
True, each household may buy a washing machine every 5 years but there are (approximately) 40,000 households in the Wycombe district. That means that (on average) 8,000 households will replace their washing machines every year. That’s an awful lot of washing machines required but there will be no need to visit the complex to buy them because they’re not on sale there!
Just think of all the money being lost by the businesses in the complex..... Who did the market research when deciding what to sell?
Posted by: Plus ça change..., Washcombe on 4:53pm Sun 16 Mar 08
Oops!
I think everyone has overlooked the presence of one mighty big purveyor of such machines bang slap in the middle of the whole 'new-fangled' kaboodle....
Maybe the way people can buy stuff nowadays is just a bit 'too new-fangled'!
Don't think they do mangles or washboards though.
But please do go and enquire if they do.
'New-fangled mangles....'
I like that...
Oops!
I think everyone has overlooked the presence of one mighty big purveyor of such machines bang slap in the middle of the whole 'new-fangled' kaboodle....
Maybe the way people can buy stuff nowadays is just a bit 'too new-fangled'!
Don't think they do mangles or washboards though.
But please do go and enquire if they do.
'New-fangled mangles....'
I like that...
Posted by: erm, ermsville on 5:05pm Sun 16 Mar 08
[quote]£300m to build a shopping complex and you now say that we have to travel to the “out of town” shops to get what we want! Unbelievable! It should all be under one roof!
Murrays sold it all....[/quote]
Murrays was 25 years ago and went bust, maybe because they sold it all instead of specialising.
Also are you suggesting that the out of town shops be closed and moved into the heart of Wycombe? What happens to the land? More vandalism or more housing, but you are against that too.
I bet you even moan about the colours of the grass, rainbows and what colour the sun is that shines out of your (_!_)
£300m to build a shopping complex and you now say that we have to travel to the “out of town” shops to get what we want! Unbelievable! It should all be under one roof!
Murrays sold it all....
Murrays was 25 years ago and went bust, maybe because they sold it all instead of specialising.
Also are you suggesting that the out of town shops be closed and moved into the heart of Wycombe? What happens to the land? More vandalism or more housing, but you are against that too.
I bet you even moan about the colours of the grass, rainbows and what colour the sun is that shines out of your (_!_)
Posted by: Ivor on 5:07pm Sun 16 Mar 08
Re the comments of Plus ça change..., Washcombe on 4:53pm
Please enlighten me. Where can I view a wide range of washing machines and cookers “in the metal” in the new complex then?
Re the comments of Plus ça change..., Washcombe on 4:53pm
Please enlighten me. Where can I view a wide range of washing machines and cookers “in the metal” in the new complex then?
Posted by: B Bowles, Great Kingshill on 6:25pm Sun 16 Mar 08
I really liked it - until I came to leave. I have a blue badge - because I walk very slowly with rests every few feet. No shopping centre I've ever been in has charged its disabled customers, but Eden does. Since I move much more slowly than an able-bodied person I'm charged more. I shall not be returning, since they obviously only want the custom of the young and healthy.
I really liked it - until I came to leave. I have a blue badge - because I walk very slowly with rests every few feet. No shopping centre I've ever been in has charged its disabled customers, but Eden does. Since I move much more slowly than an able-bodied person I'm charged more. I shall not be returning, since they obviously only want the custom of the young and healthy.
Posted by: musicals, Amersham on 7:56pm Sun 16 Mar 08
Made my first trip to "Eden" today. Very disappointed. A shopping street with a roof, basically.
<quote>There's so much more for the kids to do now too.</quote>
Nope. Nothing for children (unless you count the £££ cinema and £££££ bowling?). Nothing for anyone except chainstore shoppers.
Made my first trip to "Eden" today. Very disappointed. A shopping street with a roof, basically.
<quote>There's so much more for the kids to do now too.</quote>
Nope. Nothing for children (unless you count the £££ cinema and £££££ bowling?). Nothing for anyone except chainstore shoppers.
Posted by: local bloke, High wycombe on 10:36pm Sun 16 Mar 08
Ivor, wilkos is still there for you, and while you are on line reading this you can access thousands of new fangle mangles!
seriouslyish tho I went there today and tried the bowling with my family, it was more or less as expected, the bowling alley was very busy and very noisy.
I dont really enjoy shopping and I have to say its
Like all these shopping cathedrals nowadays it is just the same as every other new/old town centre in the country.
Ivor is not totally wrong (almost) but eventually when there is a claires accessories, and a big HMV in every shopping street in Europe what will we have?
A world devoid of Character diversity and joy!
I looked down the old high street and I thought just for a second, I could feel it starting to decay before my very eyes
Ivor, wilkos is still there for you, and while you are on line reading this you can access thousands of new fangle mangles!
seriouslyish tho I went there today and tried the bowling with my family, it was more or less as expected, the bowling alley was very busy and very noisy.
I dont really enjoy shopping and I have to say its
Like all these shopping cathedrals nowadays it is just the same as every other new/old town centre in the country.
Ivor is not totally wrong (almost) but eventually when there is a claires accessories, and a big HMV in every shopping street in Europe what will we have?
A world devoid of Character diversity and joy!
I looked down the old high street and I thought just for a second, I could feel it starting to decay before my very eyes
Posted by: Shelley, HIGH WYCOMBE on 11:00pm Sun 16 Mar 08
There's not much that inspires me to comment on articles, but I've just about reached my limit reading negative comments.
Why do some people (Ivor) have to moan at absolutely EVERYTHING that happens in Wycombe... seriously Ivor, if this place annoys you this much PLEASE move somewhere else, and do us all a favour.
I, for one, am someone who's recently moved TO the area from London, and think it's great! There's a much greater sense of community, the people (in the shops, etc) are more polite and friendly than in London and you're a stones throw away from the countryside...
The Eden Centre may not be to everyone's taste, but we were rapidly losing out to Watford, Uxbridge and Reading and needed the improvements otherwise the town centre would have died a death completely, having an impact on us all.
This is a GOOD thing for Wycombe - embrace it, focus on the positives and maybe we'll all live happier lives - all this negativity only makes us miserable!!
There's not much that inspires me to comment on articles, but I've just about reached my limit reading negative comments.
Why do some people (Ivor) have to moan at absolutely EVERYTHING that happens in Wycombe... seriously Ivor, if this place annoys you this much PLEASE move somewhere else, and do us all a favour.
I, for one, am someone who's recently moved TO the area from London, and think it's great! There's a much greater sense of community, the people (in the shops, etc) are more polite and friendly than in London and you're a stones throw away from the countryside...
The Eden Centre may not be to everyone's taste, but we were rapidly losing out to Watford, Uxbridge and Reading and needed the improvements otherwise the town centre would have died a death completely, having an impact on us all.
This is a GOOD thing for Wycombe - embrace it, focus on the positives and maybe we'll all live happier lives - all this negativity only makes us miserable!!
Posted by: Plus ça change..., Wycombe on 11:45pm Sun 16 Mar 08
Absolutely Eden is the best thing to happen to Wycombe for YEARS...
What used to characterise the town was a dire lack of choice - both in products & entertainment.
If lucky, you had a choice of 2 products from 2 shops or normally just one product from one shop and, if none, you had to go elsewhere or do without. For a while there was not even a cinema.
It was dull.
Then, slowly one by one new stores appeared, an excellent theatre, a beautiful cinema and so on.
What we have now is the start of something much more appropriate to a community of 120,000 that then serves a wider public too.
Nice to be here now.
Absolutely Eden is the best thing to happen to Wycombe for YEARS...
What used to characterise the town was a dire lack of choice - both in products & entertainment.
If lucky, you had a choice of 2 products from 2 shops or normally just one product from one shop and, if none, you had to go elsewhere or do without. For a while there was not even a cinema.
It was dull.
Then, slowly one by one new stores appeared, an excellent theatre, a beautiful cinema and so on.
What we have now is the start of something much more appropriate to a community of 120,000 that then serves a wider public too.
Nice to be here now.
Posted by: Ivor on 1:40am Mon 17 Mar 08
[quote][italic]local bloke, High wycombe on 10:36pm Sun 16 Mar 08:[/italic]
Ivor is not totally wrong (almost) but eventually when there is a claires accessories, and a big HMV in every shopping street in Europe what will we have?[/quote]We do not have to let our lovely town go that way. The customer is king and as long as they want the chain stores then the chain stores will thrive. By frequenting the local traders we can plough our money back into our own communities and make our town prosperous.[quote][italic]Plus ça change..., Wycombe on 11:45pm Sun 16 Mar 08:[/italic] If lucky, you had a choice of 2 products from 2 shops or normally just one product from one shop and, if none, you had to go elsewhere or do without.[/quote]The complex has not increased out choice. Most of the shops in the complex have merely moved premises and the few new ones are selling items we already had in the town.
We have gained nothing but ended up with a £300m “street with a roof on it”. As I discovered in my first shopping trip to the new complex there are still many items we can’t buy in the town so the issue of not being able to buy everything we need has not gone away. We still need some shops that sell the products we need despite building the monstrous complex.
[bold]I’ve been shopping at the new complex! Read my blog to find out what happened.[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
local bloke, High wycombe on 10:36pm Sun 16 Mar 08:
Ivor is not totally wrong (almost) but eventually when there is a claires accessories, and a big HMV in every shopping street in Europe what will we have?
We do not have to let our lovely town go that way. The customer is king and as long as they want the chain stores then the chain stores will thrive. By frequenting the local traders we can plough our money back into our own communities and make our town prosperous.
Plus ça change..., Wycombe on 11:45pm Sun 16 Mar 08: If lucky, you had a choice of 2 products from 2 shops or normally just one product from one shop and, if none, you had to go elsewhere or do without.
The complex has not increased out choice. Most of the shops in the complex have merely moved premises and the few new ones are selling items we already had in the town.
We have gained nothing but ended up with a £300m “street with a roof on it”. As I discovered in my first shopping trip to the new complex there are still many items we can’t buy in the town so the issue of not being able to buy everything we need has not gone away. We still need some shops that sell the products we need despite building the monstrous complex.
I’ve been shopping at the new complex! Read my blog to find out what happened. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: George - Wycombe on 2:28am Mon 17 Mar 08
We still come back to the design of Eden, it is too cramped, there was land available to double it's ground space, roads should have been redirected, where are the seating areas for weary shoppers to rest between shops? there are cafes but people don't want to buy something to have a sit down.
For an Eden where is the greenery?
I can't see myself parting with too much cash inside Eden, this could be the lifeline the small shops outside Eden have been waiting for, providing the public with what they want not what Edens businesses think they want.
We still come back to the design of Eden, it is too cramped, there was land available to double it's ground space, roads should have been redirected, where are the seating areas for weary shoppers to rest between shops? there are cafes but people don't want to buy something to have a sit down.
For an Eden where is the greenery?
I can't see myself parting with too much cash inside Eden, this could be the lifeline the small shops outside Eden have been waiting for, providing the public with what they want not what Edens businesses think they want.
Posted by: Elmo, High Wycombe on 8:53am Mon 17 Mar 08
Bit late for mithering now it's built, innit.
Someone seems to be goin' on about washing machines. Dunno 'bout the rest of ya but if I wanna buy a large item of white goods I'll probably wanna go to an out of town shopping village, where I can pull up next to tha place and load it onto me roof rack. I'm not gonna wanna be trawling though the town centre for a fridge, innit! No wonder Rumbalows went bust.
I guess it's just 'cos I'm a fella, I understand the ladeez like a bit of a browse when shoppin'!
Bowlin' yesterday was a hoot, couple a pints in tha 'ogs'ead then wander over for a game, nice.
It seems to me that the whole sheebang was designed to emulate covered pedestrianised streets, with seating all down the middle, not an Americanized indoor Mall, which are usually huge out of town affairs. It seems to me that some people need to understand what we've got before whinging about what we've not got, so to speak.
Bit late for mithering now it's built, innit.
Someone seems to be goin' on about washing machines. Dunno 'bout the rest of ya but if I wanna buy a large item of white goods I'll probably wanna go to an out of town shopping village, where I can pull up next to tha place and load it onto me roof rack. I'm not gonna wanna be trawling though the town centre for a fridge, innit! No wonder Rumbalows went bust.
I guess it's just 'cos I'm a fella, I understand the ladeez like a bit of a browse when shoppin'!
Bowlin' yesterday was a hoot, couple a pints in tha 'ogs'ead then wander over for a game, nice.
It seems to me that the whole sheebang was designed to emulate covered pedestrianised streets, with seating all down the middle, not an Americanized indoor Mall, which are usually huge out of town affairs. It seems to me that some people need to understand what we've got before whinging about what we've not got, so to speak.
Posted by: Tharus Bond, Wycombe on 9:42am Mon 17 Mar 08
bookstore too small!
Posted by: Read All About It, HW on 9:57am Mon 17 Mar 08
I went to Eden at the weekend - It was rubbish, As per an earlier comment - a shopping street with a roof. The shops are ok but its not even like a proper shopping centre !!What did they do with the millions of pounds that they spent ? Dig a hole for it and build over it ? Having said this, I do see the positive side of it and some of the shops are good but i really don't think we have gained that much really. Even house of Fraiser doesn't have its usual presence and seems dissappointing inside. Some good at least I suppose.
I went to Eden at the weekend - It was rubbish, As per an earlier comment - a shopping street with a roof. The shops are ok but its not even like a proper shopping centre !!What did they do with the millions of pounds that they spent ? Dig a hole for it and build over it ? Having said this, I do see the positive side of it and some of the shops are good but i really don't think we have gained that much really. Even house of Fraiser doesn't have its usual presence and seems dissappointing inside. Some good at least I suppose.
Posted by: DaveG, Wycombe on 10:05am Mon 17 Mar 08
I went there twice over the weekend - once for shopping and once for the cinema/lunch. I spent more in this one weekend than I normally do in Wycombe centre in a month. I saw lots of people shopping, eating, bowling and going to the cinema and this is without all shops open yet.
If you like Eden and think it will have a positive effect on Wycombe (as I do), please leave a comment. This site too often gets overrun by a disproportionate number of negative and totally useless comments from grumpy old men (and women). Don't respond directly to the trolls here (esp ones with blogs) just post something positive and maybe those involved in trying to do something positive for Wycombe will read the more positive comments and won't get discouraged by the never-pleased crowd. This is democracy - don't leave it to the busy-bodies!!!
I went there twice over the weekend - once for shopping and once for the cinema/lunch. I spent more in this one weekend than I normally do in Wycombe centre in a month. I saw lots of people shopping, eating, bowling and going to the cinema and this is without all shops open yet.
If you like Eden and think it will have a positive effect on Wycombe (as I do), please leave a comment. This site too often gets overrun by a disproportionate number of negative and totally useless comments from grumpy old men (and women). Don't respond directly to the trolls here (esp ones with blogs) just post something positive and maybe those involved in trying to do something positive for Wycombe will read the more positive comments and won't get discouraged by the never-pleased crowd. This is democracy - don't leave it to the busy-bodies!!!
Posted by: nernie, Naphill, High Wycombe on 10:08am Mon 17 Mar 08
I feel that the Eden Centre is out of place for wycombe. The oulets are are expensive and out of 'Wycombe's Character'.
Yes, it may be a fantastic oppotunity to bring in more torists (from out of town), income and shoppers to wycombe, however, congestion is now appalling and i feel that the 'Old Wycombe' traditions are now going to suffer because of it.
High Wycombe is a historic town, and i strongly feel that Eden has spoilt the values that Wycombe used to stand for and it [bold]is[/bold] sad.
It doesnt matter whether the new shopping centre does or doesnt sell something, the fact that a giant modernised, almost americanised, 'wonderland' has now taken over what used to be local friendly market town, in which the old shops are going to suffer for it.
x
I feel that the Eden Centre is out of place for wycombe. The oulets are are expensive and out of 'Wycombe's Character'.
Yes, it may be a fantastic oppotunity to bring in more torists (from out of town), income and shoppers to wycombe, however, congestion is now appalling and i feel that the 'Old Wycombe' traditions are now going to suffer because of it.
High Wycombe is a historic town, and i strongly feel that Eden has spoilt the values that Wycombe used to stand for and it
is sad.
It doesnt matter whether the new shopping centre does or doesnt sell something, the fact that a giant modernised, almost americanised, 'wonderland' has now taken over what used to be local friendly market town, in which the old shops are going to suffer for it.
x
Posted by: DaveG, Wycombe on 10:21am Mon 17 Mar 08
What are the 'Old Wycombe traditions' and and the 'values' of which you speak? Sorry, I am under 65 so can't actually remember Wycombe having anything special in my lifetime other than a very small area around the church and pepperpot - the rest was destroyed in the 60s and 70s. This is Wycombe, post 1970s, not St Albans - we can't turn back time!
What are the 'Old Wycombe traditions' and and the 'values' of which you speak? Sorry, I am under 65 so can't actually remember Wycombe having anything special in my lifetime other than a very small area around the church and pepperpot - the rest was destroyed in the 60s and 70s. This is Wycombe, post 1970s, not St Albans - we can't turn back time!
Posted by: gilly, high wycombe on 12:02pm Mon 17 Mar 08
One thing that the Eden has brought to the town is hundreds of jobs. My daughter had been out of full time employment for a while, she had been doing couple part time jobs, not a scrounger, but since the new shopping centre started recruiting she has now found full time employment and is very happy to be earning again. This must be the same for several hundred people, so i think this is very good for the town in that respect. Why should be have to drive to Reasding etc to buy decent clothes and shoes and as for white goods, no one goes to a centre for those, thats whta retail parks are for!!
One thing that the Eden has brought to the town is hundreds of jobs. My daughter had been out of full time employment for a while, she had been doing couple part time jobs, not a scrounger, but since the new shopping centre started recruiting she has now found full time employment and is very happy to be earning again. This must be the same for several hundred people, so i think this is very good for the town in that respect. Why should be have to drive to Reasding etc to buy decent clothes and shoes and as for white goods, no one goes to a centre for those, thats whta retail parks are for!!
Posted by: ems_24, High Wycombe on 12:21pm Mon 17 Mar 08
I completely agree with DaveG.
I pretty much used to be ashamed to live in Wycombe and I've been here my whole life, but now Wycombe residents do have something to be proud of. I think the design of the shopping centre is innovative and feels very spacious and modern. Why would we want one that looks exactly the same as The Oracle or The Chimes? I think it's great that it has been joined to the old Octagon and Primark will keep the Chilterns alive. Overall, we have shops that cater for a whole lot.
Why on earth would you want to buy white goods in a town centre??? Apart from it being totally impratical, Wycombe has many retail outlets out of town for those who need to buy longer life goods.
I have already been to Eden 3 times and I am going there on Wednesday to try out one of the new food places. This is the most I've been into Wycombe for about a year and I'm sure that mirrors many other residents. No longer will I travel to Windsor for a meal out or to Reading to buy some clothes. Hopefully Wycombe will claw back all those customers it lost years ago, whilst enticing new ones to visit.
I completely agree with DaveG.
I pretty much used to be ashamed to live in Wycombe and I've been here my whole life, but now Wycombe residents do have something to be proud of. I think the design of the shopping centre is innovative and feels very spacious and modern. Why would we want one that looks exactly the same as The Oracle or The Chimes? I think it's great that it has been joined to the old Octagon and Primark will keep the Chilterns alive. Overall, we have shops that cater for a whole lot.
Why on earth would you want to buy white goods in a town centre??? Apart from it being totally impratical, Wycombe has many retail outlets out of town for those who need to buy longer life goods.
I have already been to Eden 3 times and I am going there on Wednesday to try out one of the new food places. This is the most I've been into Wycombe for about a year and I'm sure that mirrors many other residents. No longer will I travel to Windsor for a meal out or to Reading to buy some clothes. Hopefully Wycombe will claw back all those customers it lost years ago, whilst enticing new ones to visit.
Posted by: Ivor on 12:21pm Mon 17 Mar 08
[quote][bold]gilly, high wycombe on 12:02pm:[/bold]
One thing that the Eden has brought to the town is hundreds of jobs.[/quote]True, but do these jobs pay enough to buy the average £286k house in Wycombe? I fear not....
[bold]My first shpping trip to the new complex was a disaster! Read my blog to find out what happened.[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
gilly, high wycombe on 12:02pm:
One thing that the Eden has brought to the town is hundreds of jobs.
True, but do these jobs pay enough to buy the average £286k house in Wycombe? I fear not....
My first shpping trip to the new complex was a disaster! Read my blog to find out what happened. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: Wycombe Live, Shop, Work, High Wycombe on 12:23pm Mon 17 Mar 08
Well I like Eden. Plenty of money was being spent in Build a Bear and there were enough people at the tills in both Marks and House of Fraser even on a very wet Sunday. Ivor must get some kind of commission every time the stats show a visit to his blog. I read it once and he does write in a less, shall we say, confrontational style. I won't be returning to it though.
I can also report that it was windy as well but the fact that there are no doors made little difference to the smiling shoppers. It's also a social event. I've seen more friends down there than at any other shopping trip into town. Eden is good for the town, good for employment and good for everyone that wants entertaining.
Well I like Eden. Plenty of money was being spent in Build a Bear and there were enough people at the tills in both Marks and House of Fraser even on a very wet Sunday. Ivor must get some kind of commission every time the stats show a visit to his blog. I read it once and he does write in a less, shall we say, confrontational style. I won't be returning to it though.
I can also report that it was windy as well but the fact that there are no doors made little difference to the smiling shoppers. It's also a social event. I've seen more friends down there than at any other shopping trip into town. Eden is good for the town, good for employment and good for everyone that wants entertaining.
Posted by: Wycombe Live, Shop, Work, High Wycombe on 12:25pm Mon 17 Mar 08
You can't blame Eden for salary issues Ivor!
You can't blame Eden for salary issues Ivor!
Posted by: Ivor on 12:28pm Mon 17 Mar 08
[quote][bold]ems_24, High Wycombe on 12:21pm:[/bold]
Why on earth would you want to buy white goods in a town centre???[/quote]So we can get all out goods in one shopping trip! What’s the point of a complex if it fails to sell everything we need and we have to go elsewhere to buy it?[quote][bold]ems_24, High Wycombe on 12:21pm:[/bold]
I think the design of the shopping centre is innovative and feels very spacious and modern.[/quote]It’s a £300m “street with a roof”! The design is bland and un-imaginative inside and monstrous on the outside. From a distance the building looks like a battleship looming on the horizon. It does not do credit to our town.
[bold]My first shpping trip to the new complex was a disaster! Read my blog to find out what happened.[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
ems_24, High Wycombe on 12:21pm:
Why on earth would you want to buy white goods in a town centre???
So we can get all out goods in one shopping trip! What’s the point of a complex if it fails to sell everything we need and we have to go elsewhere to buy it?
ems_24, High Wycombe on 12:21pm:
I think the design of the shopping centre is innovative and feels very spacious and modern.
It’s a £300m “street with a roof”! The design is bland and un-imaginative inside and monstrous on the outside. From a distance the building looks like a battleship looming on the horizon. It does not do credit to our town.
My first shpping trip to the new complex was a disaster! Read my blog to find out what happened. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: Wycombe Live, Shop, Work, High Wycombe on 12:28pm Mon 17 Mar 08
why have my two positive comments been removed? Is it because I hit the nail on the head where Ivor was concerned?
why have my two positive comments been removed? Is it because I hit the nail on the head where Ivor was concerned?
Posted by: Ivor on 12:31pm Mon 17 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Wycombe Live, Shop, Work[/bold] wrote:
You can't blame Eden for salary issues Ivor! [/quote] What’s the point of creating jobs that mean the people can’t afford to live where they work? We needed to encourage industry paying decent rates of money to the town!
[bold]My first shpping trip to the new complex was a disaster! Read my blog to find out what happened.[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Wycombe Live, Shop, Work wrote:
You can't blame Eden for salary issues Ivor!
What’s the point of creating jobs that mean the people can’t afford to live where they work? We needed to encourage industry paying decent rates of money to the town!
My first shpping trip to the new complex was a disaster! Read my blog to find out what happened. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: Matsapatsa, High Wycombe on 12:39pm Mon 17 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Ivor[/bold] wrote:
Re the comments of bexs, high wycombe on 11:16pm But the shops should be looking to recoup the start up costs ASAP. Usually a business will expect to get a significant proportion of their initial investment returned from the huge sales they will expect to make on the opening day. People just walking by are no good they have to be spending. In a few months the crowds will diminish as the novelty factor wears off. The sales need to be made now not in six months time![/quote] My God man, I have never heard such detritus. You clearly have no idea how the retail sector operates.
Why don't you just stop spouting this negativity you vile little man!
Ivor wrote:
Re the comments of bexs, high wycombe on 11:16pm But the shops should be looking to recoup the start up costs ASAP. Usually a business will expect to get a significant proportion of their initial investment returned from the huge sales they will expect to make on the opening day. People just walking by are no good they have to be spending. In a few months the crowds will diminish as the novelty factor wears off. The sales need to be made now not in six months time!
My God man, I have never heard such detritus. You clearly have no idea how the retail sector operates.
Why don't you just stop spouting this negativity you vile little man!
Posted by: ems_24, High Wycombe on 12:44pm Mon 17 Mar 08
U are one sad individual, Ivor. There is only one reason that BFP allows you to spit out the rubbish that comes from your mouth and unfortunately I have succumbed to it by replying to your response to my comment.
The fact that you are criticising not being able to purchase white goods in the town centre is pathetic and just goes to prove that you are living on cloud cuckoo land.
You really expect to be able to buy a washing machine on your Saturday shopping visit, along with toothpaste and a pair of jeans???!!! Oh I suppose you'd carry around in a nice big shopping bag too? No one I know would want to buy a very heavy and expensive household item in the middle of the town centre. It is 100% impractical.
Moving forward, Eden is a positive thing for Wycombe in every sense and I'm so glad that it's finally here and look forward to the rest of the town coming together.
U are one sad individual, Ivor. There is only one reason that BFP allows you to spit out the rubbish that comes from your mouth and unfortunately I have succumbed to it by replying to your response to my comment.
The fact that you are criticising not being able to purchase white goods in the town centre is pathetic and just goes to prove that you are living on cloud cuckoo land.
You really expect to be able to buy a washing machine on your Saturday shopping visit, along with toothpaste and a pair of jeans???!!! Oh I suppose you'd carry around in a nice big shopping bag too? No one I know would want to buy a very heavy and expensive household item in the middle of the town centre. It is 100% impractical.
Moving forward, Eden is a positive thing for Wycombe in every sense and I'm so glad that it's finally here and look forward to the rest of the town coming together.
Posted by: Ivor on 12:48pm Mon 17 Mar 08
[quote][bold]ems_24, High Wycombe on 12:44pm:[/bold]
You really expect to be able to buy a washing machine on your Saturday shopping visit, along with toothpaste and a pair of jeans???!!![/quote]Yes, why not? We could do it when Murrays were in the town and you can get white goods in nearly every other department store in the land except ours! The department store in Cressex sells white goods....
[bold]My first shpping trip to the new complex was a disaster! Read my blog to find out what happened.[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
ems_24, High Wycombe on 12:44pm:
You really expect to be able to buy a washing machine on your Saturday shopping visit, along with toothpaste and a pair of jeans???!!!
Yes, why not? We could do it when Murrays were in the town and you can get white goods in nearly every other department store in the land except ours! The department store in Cressex sells white goods....
My first shpping trip to the new complex was a disaster! Read my blog to find out what happened. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: Matsapatsa, High Wycombe on 12:52pm Mon 17 Mar 08
Everyone, stop responding to Ivor. Hopefully he should go away soon. Maybe back to 1960 where he belongs!
Everyone, stop responding to Ivor. Hopefully he should go away soon. Maybe back to 1960 where he belongs!
Posted by: Ivor on 12:54pm Mon 17 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Matsapatsa, High Wycombe on 12:39pm:[/bold]
You clearly have no idea how the retail sector operates.[/quote]From what I can see it appears to operate by not selling the items we need and having lots of sales assistants on standby just standing around! The tills should have been ringing on the opening day. In the majority of the shops I never saw a single person buying.
The people were just walking through not even being enticed into the shops. The complex is just a short cut through from the (out of the town centre) bus station to the High Street. In wet weather the people can walk along the covered street but in the dry they can just nip straight down the side of Tesco’s.
[bold]My first shpping trip to the new complex was a disaster! Read my blog to find out what happened.[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Matsapatsa, High Wycombe on 12:39pm:
You clearly have no idea how the retail sector operates.
From what I can see it appears to operate by not selling the items we need and having lots of sales assistants on standby just standing around! The tills should have been ringing on the opening day. In the majority of the shops I never saw a single person buying.
The people were just walking through not even being enticed into the shops. The complex is just a short cut through from the (out of the town centre) bus station to the High Street. In wet weather the people can walk along the covered street but in the dry they can just nip straight down the side of Tesco’s.
My first shpping trip to the new complex was a disaster! Read my blog to find out what happened. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: segedunum, High Wycombe on 12:58pm Mon 17 Mar 08
I've lived in Wycombe for the last 20 years and this is the best thing that has happened to the town. I agree with Dave G, ems and gilly the centre will be good for the town, has brought jobs and will contribute to the local economy. True the car park access and getting out needs looking at, I tried to get down Lily's Walk onto the flyover on Saturday and it was a miserable experience but other than that the rest was great and I'm no shopper!
So come on Ivor, george etc open your eyes to the present and the future, my son and loads of his mates said once they leave Wycombe they aint coming back. Why - because it didn't have HMV etc so maybe this will change their minds, I'm sure if it isn't popular with the likes of Ivor it will be with the young people of the town!
I've lived in Wycombe for the last 20 years and this is the best thing that has happened to the town. I agree with Dave G, ems and gilly the centre will be good for the town, has brought jobs and will contribute to the local economy. True the car park access and getting out needs looking at, I tried to get down Lily's Walk onto the flyover on Saturday and it was a miserable experience but other than that the rest was great and I'm no shopper!
So come on Ivor, george etc open your eyes to the present and the future, my son and loads of his mates said once they leave Wycombe they aint coming back. Why - because it didn't have HMV etc so maybe this will change their minds, I'm sure if it isn't popular with the likes of Ivor it will be with the young people of the town!
Posted by: Ivor on 1:03pm Mon 17 Mar 08
[quote][bold]segedunum, High Wycombe on 12:58pm:[/bold]
my son and loads of his mates said once they leave Wycombe they aint coming back. Why - because it didn't have HMV etc[/quote]That’s right the youngsters will go into our shiny new HMV to buy a top 40 single and to buy some (very in fashion) vinyl records to play on their turntables to be cool and with it? One problem there.... Our HMV doesn’t sell the entire top 40 and (amazingly) they don’t stock any vinyl which seeing as it’s the in thing makes the whole shop pointless! Looks like the youngsters of the town will still have to go to London or other “larger branches” to get what they want!
[bold]My first shpping trip to the new complex was a disaster! Read my blog to find out what happened.[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
segedunum, High Wycombe on 12:58pm:
my son and loads of his mates said once they leave Wycombe they aint coming back. Why - because it didn't have HMV etc
That’s right the youngsters will go into our shiny new HMV to buy a top 40 single and to buy some (very in fashion) vinyl records to play on their turntables to be cool and with it? One problem there.... Our HMV doesn’t sell the entire top 40 and (amazingly) they don’t stock any vinyl which seeing as it’s the in thing makes the whole shop pointless! Looks like the youngsters of the town will still have to go to London or other “larger branches” to get what they want!
My first shpping trip to the new complex was a disaster! Read my blog to find out what happened. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: Elmo, High Wycombe on 1:08pm Mon 17 Mar 08
Hey, I'm a degree qualified mechanical engineer and my wife is only a couple of grand behind me on her annual wage, we have no kids, two steps up the property ladder already, and we can't afford a £280k house. A problem that existed long before Eden opened.
Hey, I'm a degree qualified mechanical engineer and my wife is only a couple of grand behind me on her annual wage, we have no kids, two steps up the property ladder already, and we can't afford a £280k house. A problem that existed long before Eden opened.
Posted by: robinh, Wycombe on 1:12pm Mon 17 Mar 08
Ivor, you are a ****.
Posted by: Plus ça change..., Wycombe on 2:42pm Mon 17 Mar 08
Best not tangle with the New-Fangled Mangle Man...
Anyone worked out which store/shop you can get a new-fangled mangle from yet?
All together:
'Oh, yes there is...!'
'Oh, no there isn't..!'
Best not tangle with the New-Fangled Mangle Man...
Anyone worked out which store/shop you can get a new-fangled mangle from yet?
All together:
'Oh, yes there is...!'
'Oh, no there isn't..!'
Posted by: Ivor on 2:48pm Mon 17 Mar 08
Please enlighten us Plus ça change. Which shop in the new complex has a wide range of washing machines and other white goods on display?
The perhaps you can tell me where in the complex is there a wide range of double-breasted suites on display?
Following that where in the new complex can I buy any of the CD singles that are currently between numbers 21 and 40 in the top 40 UK singles chart?
[bold]My first shpping trip to the new complex was a disaster! Read my blog to find out what happened.[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Please enlighten us Plus ça change. Which shop in the new complex has a wide range of washing machines and other white goods on display?
The perhaps you can tell me where in the complex is there a wide range of double-breasted suites on display?
Following that where in the new complex can I buy any of the CD singles that are currently between numbers 21 and 40 in the top 40 UK singles chart?
My first shpping trip to the new complex was a disaster! Read my blog to find out what happened. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: Ivor on 2:54pm Mon 17 Mar 08
If you can answer all of the questions in my post above then please tell me where in the new complex the ATM is so I can use my cash card to withdraw the money to pay for them?
I await your response....
If you can answer all of the questions in my post above then please tell me where in the new complex the ATM is so I can use my cash card to withdraw the money to pay for them?
I await your response....
Posted by: captcorbet, High Wycombe on 3:03pm Mon 17 Mar 08
This is hysterical, Ivor is on the defensive!
Ivor if you had picked up a map of the Eden Centre you wlil have found that there is a cash point on the walk from M&S to the bus station and another one on the Welcome Hall walk which leads away from BHS towards Tesco.
There are also two banks being Royal Bank of Scotland and M&S has a Bureau de Change.
Tesco sell white goods as part of their Tesco Direct sales.
As for salaries to buy your £286k house, no they probably don't pay that much, but then most jobs aren't paying enough for a first time buyer either. Does the Bucks Free Press pay their 18 year olds enough to buy a 286k house then? Most of the country is in that position.
Still not moved to Eastbourne then Ivor?
This is hysterical, Ivor is on the defensive!
Ivor if you had picked up a map of the Eden Centre you wlil have found that there is a cash point on the walk from M&S to the bus station and another one on the Welcome Hall walk which leads away from BHS towards Tesco.
There are also two banks being Royal Bank of Scotland and M&S has a Bureau de Change.
Tesco sell white goods as part of their Tesco Direct sales.
As for salaries to buy your £286k house, no they probably don't pay that much, but then most jobs aren't paying enough for a first time buyer either. Does the Bucks Free Press pay their 18 year olds enough to buy a 286k house then? Most of the country is in that position.
Still not moved to Eastbourne then Ivor?
Posted by: local bloke, High wycombe on 3:03pm Mon 17 Mar 08
there are atm's in there you just need the gift of eyesight, believe me where there's a shopping street there's a cash machine!
The double breasted suites will be harder to find, but suits should be in most shops in fact if you are so interested in where things are Ivor go and find em yourself............
or use the map in the free press.........anyone know where he can buy a paper??
there are atm's in there you just need the gift of eyesight, believe me where there's a shopping street there's a cash machine!
The double breasted suites will be harder to find, but suits should be in most shops in fact if you are so interested in where things are Ivor go and find em yourself............
or use the map in the free press.........anyone know where he can buy a paper??
Posted by: DaveG, Wycombe on 3:05pm Mon 17 Mar 08
To the grumpy old men: Eden is great and giving most people what they want most of the time - it's called 'fulfilling demand'. And when I need some white goods (about once every 5 years) I pop over to Comet or John Lewis - I tend not to want to look at white goods much more than that (or am I missing some new trend in collecting, swapping, discussing and customising white goods - Pimp My Wash?)
To the grumpy old men: Eden is great and giving most people what they want most of the time - it's called 'fulfilling demand'. And when I need some white goods (about once every 5 years) I pop over to Comet or John Lewis - I tend not to want to look at white goods much more than that (or am I missing some new trend in collecting, swapping, discussing and customising white goods - Pimp My Wash?)
Posted by: local bloke, High wycombe on 3:07pm Mon 17 Mar 08
wash my pimp would clean up the streets as well!!
wash my pimp would clean up the streets as well!!
Posted by: Ivor on 3:30pm Mon 17 Mar 08
[quote][bold]DaveG, Wycombe on 3:05pm:[/bold]
To the grumpy old men: Eden is great and giving most people what they want most of the time[/quote]But it’s not giving everyone everything they want all of the time! What’s the point of spending £300m on a “street with a roof on it” that has to be propped up by out of town shops? Defeats the object of a shopping centre doesn’t it?
[bold]My first shpping trip to the new complex was a disaster! Read my blog to find out what happened.[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
DaveG, Wycombe on 3:05pm:
To the grumpy old men: Eden is great and giving most people what they want most of the time
But it’s not giving everyone everything they want all of the time! What’s the point of spending £300m on a “street with a roof on it” that has to be propped up by out of town shops? Defeats the object of a shopping centre doesn’t it?
My first shpping trip to the new complex was a disaster! Read my blog to find out what happened. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: captcorbet, High Wycombe on 3:34pm Mon 17 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Ivor[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]DaveG, Wycombe on 3:05pm:[/bold] To the grumpy old men: Eden is great and giving most people what they want most of the time[/quote]But it’s not giving everyone everything they want all of the time! What’s the point of spending £300m on a “street with a roof on it” that has to be propped up by out of town shops? Defeats the object of a shopping centre doesn’t it? [bold]My first shpping trip to the new complex was a disaster! Read my blog to find out what happened.[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.[/quote] Now Ivor I answered your questions about where the banks are and where you can get white goods. So where are the answers to my question?
If you need reminding it was; does the Bucks Free Press pay an 18 year old enough to buy a 286k house?
Ivor wrote:
DaveG, Wycombe on 3:05pm: To the grumpy old men: Eden is great and giving most people what they want most of the time
But it’s not giving everyone everything they want all of the time! What’s the point of spending £300m on a “street with a roof on it” that has to be propped up by out of town shops? Defeats the object of a shopping centre doesn’t it? My first shpping trip to the new complex was a disaster! Read my blog to find out what happened. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Now Ivor I answered your questions about where the banks are and where you can get white goods. So where are the answers to my
