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350,000 shoppers recorded at Eden
MORE than 350,000 people visited Eden in its first four days - more than twice the population of Wycombe district.
Over the first four days of trading, a staggering 350,000 shoppers came to Eden to join in the opening celebrations and experience High Wycombe's new £300 million shopping and leisure destination.
The figure smashed centre bosses' expectation that 235,000 people would come to discover the new store during it's opening weekend from last Thursday to Sunday.
It also exceeds footfall figures from other recently opened town centre schemes.
Wycombe distirct has a population of around 162,000 people.
Daniel Tomkinson, centre director of Eden said: "We were completely amazed by the phenomenal amount of people that have visited Eden over its opening weekend.
The footfall figures exceeded our highest hopes and the atmosphere was incredible.
"We always knew that there was a demand for a quality shopping experience in High Wycombe and surrounding areas but seeing the hundreds of thousands of visitors shopping and enjoying all of Eden's fantastic facilities was a real buzz."
Footfall figures were calculated by electronic counters at the centre's entrances.
Eden's shops have also experienced trading figures that superseded all expectations.
On Thursday, Marks and Spencer reported more than 10,000 customers had walked through their doors by 2pm - just four hours after they opened at 10am.
Jillian Staniforth, store manager of the new House of Fraser at Eden, said: "House of Fraser at has had a fantastic opening with phenomenal footfall.
"We are trading well above our expectations. We are now looking forward to a busy Easter weekend as shoppers continue to come into the town centre to experience one of the most innovative House of Fraser stores we have delivered and to check out the region's most exciting shopping and leisure destination."
5:04pm Wednesday 19th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: Plus ça change..., Wow-ycombe on 5:29pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Magnificent. Keep it going. Wonderful.
Now a football and a footfall town!
Magnificent. Keep it going. Wonderful.
Now a football and a footfall town!
Posted by: Ivor on 5:38pm Wed 19 Mar 08
I wonder how many of the 350,000 actually found something they needed to buy other than clothes. On the opening day there were plenty of people walking through but I didn’t see many buying!
How did they count the 350,000? Is there a machine to count the customers on the entrance to the complex or is this just an estimate?
Having lots of people is no good if you’re not selling what they want....
[bold]Have you read Ivor’s blog today?[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
I wonder how many of the 350,000 actually found something they needed to buy other than clothes. On the opening day there were plenty of people walking through but I didn’t see many buying!
How did they count the 350,000? Is there a machine to count the customers on the entrance to the complex or is this just an estimate?
Having lots of people is no good if you’re not selling what they want....
Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: fm, High Wycombe on 6:34pm Wed 19 Mar 08
IVOR LEAVE YOUR'RE NEGATIVE COMMENTS TO YOURSELF, WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR THEM, INFACT WHEN I SAW YOU'RE COMMENT TODAY I DIDNT WANT TO READ IT AS I KNEW IT WAS A LOAD OF CRAP[bold]bold[/bold]
IVOR LEAVE YOUR'RE NEGATIVE COMMENTS TO YOURSELF, WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR THEM, INFACT WHEN I SAW YOU'RE COMMENT TODAY I DIDNT WANT TO READ IT AS I KNEW IT WAS A LOAD OF CRAP
Posted by: erm, ermsville on 6:37pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Ivor, you have actually been the only customer, you've just gone back 350,000 times looking for the mundane items on your shopping list.
Or does it just feel like you've been back 350,000 times and told us about each and every trip
Ivor, you have actually been the only customer, you've just gone back 350,000 times looking for the mundane items on your shopping list.
Or does it just feel like you've been back 350,000 times and told us about each and every trip
Posted by: Ivor on 6:44pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Re the comments of fm, High Wycombe on 6:34pm
I only asked how they came to the figure of 350,000. Are there devices to count the shoppers or is this figure just “an estimate” conjured up out of thin air?
According to another news story on this site yesterday traffic was only up by 15%. The busses and pavements must have been bursting with all the extra people rushing to the complex.... I am not unsure how all those extra people could arrive with only a 15% rise in traffic.... One of the figures seems wrong and I’m not sure which one it is....
[bold]Have you read Ivor’s blog today?[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Re the comments of fm, High Wycombe on 6:34pm
I only asked how they came to the figure of 350,000. Are there devices to count the shoppers or is this figure just “an estimate” conjured up out of thin air?
According to another news story on this site yesterday traffic was only up by 15%. The busses and pavements must have been bursting with all the extra people rushing to the complex.... I am not unsure how all those extra people could arrive with only a 15% rise in traffic.... One of the figures seems wrong and I’m not sure which one it is....
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Posted by: Realistic, High Wycombe on 6:48pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote]Footfall figures were calculated by electronic counters at the centre's entrances.[/quote] Learn to read d1ckhead
Footfall figures were calculated by electronic counters at the centre's entrances.
Learn to read d1ckhead
Posted by: Ron Schreck on 6:58pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Ivor[/bold] wrote:
Re the comments of fm, High Wycombe on 6:34pm I only asked how they came to the figure of 350,000. Are there devices to count the shoppers or is this figure just “an estimate” conjured up out of thin air? According to another news story on this site yesterday traffic was only up by 15%. The busses and pavements must have been bursting with all the extra people rushing to the complex.... I am not unsure how all those extra people could arrive with only a 15% rise in traffic.... One of the figures seems wrong and I’m not sure which one it is.... [bold]Have you read Ivor’s blog today?[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.[/quote] IVOR - can you read? in the story it says: "Footfall figures were calculated by electronic counters at the centre's entrances." Okay, so now you know. Only problem with an electronic counter at the entrance is that it only counts how many people cross that threshold going in. It does not count the number of people who go in and then come out and then go in again. So now here is what I figured. They are trying to really hype this Eden opening by using usless statitists. Guess what? The story says 350,000 over 4 days. that comes out to approx 87,500 per day (which is almost half Wycombes population. and how many of the 87,500 are repeats, that may have entered 4,5,6 or more times by just wandering.?
Ivor wrote:
Re the comments of fm, High Wycombe on 6:34pm I only asked how they came to the figure of 350,000. Are there devices to count the shoppers or is this figure just “an estimate” conjured up out of thin air? According to another news story on this site yesterday traffic was only up by 15%. The busses and pavements must have been bursting with all the extra people rushing to the complex.... I am not unsure how all those extra people could arrive with only a 15% rise in traffic.... One of the figures seems wrong and I’m not sure which one it is.... Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
IVOR - can you read? in the story it says: "Footfall figures were calculated by electronic counters at the centre's entrances." Okay, so now you know. Only problem with an electronic counter at the entrance is that it only counts how many people cross that threshold going in. It does not count the number of people who go in and then come out and then go in again. So now here is what I figured. They are trying to really hype this Eden opening by using usless statitists. Guess what? The story says 350,000 over 4 days. that comes out to approx 87,500 per day (which is almost half Wycombes population. and how many of the 87,500 are repeats, that may have entered 4,5,6 or more times by just wandering.?
Posted by: TQWood, Hazlemere on 7:05pm Wed 19 Mar 08
I wonder how "real" these figures are, ok they say electronic counters but how do we know i wouldnt be surprised if these figures were completely over-inflated as Ron says to hype Eden up
I wonder how "real" these figures are, ok they say electronic counters but how do we know i wouldnt be surprised if these figures were completely over-inflated as Ron says to hype Eden up
Posted by: Ivor on 7:16pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Re the comments of Ron Schreck on 6:58pm
Yes. I was just about to point that out. If the people walked into the complex then out to the High Street and back in to the complex again they would be counted twice giving a total of only 175,000 over 4 days which works out at just 43,750 per day. Perhaps the fact that traffic was only up by just 15% says it all and casts doubt on the figures and reveals the true picture?
It also depends on what type of electronic counter they use. Some electronic counting systems count one fat people as two normal sized people.
I think the figure of 350,000 must be taken with a very, very large pinch of salt. The people of Wycombe are not fooled by the PR machine very easily....
What ever the figures were one thing is for certain this is that the centre does not provide us with many of the goods we expect from such a complex.
[bold]Have you read Ivor’s blog today?[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Re the comments of Ron Schreck on 6:58pm
Yes. I was just about to point that out. If the people walked into the complex then out to the High Street and back in to the complex again they would be counted twice giving a total of only 175,000 over 4 days which works out at just 43,750 per day. Perhaps the fact that traffic was only up by just 15% says it all and casts doubt on the figures and reveals the true picture?
It also depends on what type of electronic counter they use. Some electronic counting systems count one fat people as two normal sized people.
I think the figure of 350,000 must be taken with a very, very large pinch of salt. The people of Wycombe are not fooled by the PR machine very easily....
What ever the figures were one thing is for certain this is that the centre does not provide us with many of the goods we expect from such a complex.
Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: Ivor on 7:18pm Wed 19 Mar 08
.... as an after thought I wonder if the “electronic counters” count birds flying in to the complex. After all it is only a “street with a roof on it” and our feathered friends can get access as easily as the humans....
[bold]Have you read Ivor’s blog today?[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
.... as an after thought I wonder if the “electronic counters” count birds flying in to the complex. After all it is only a “street with a roof on it” and our feathered friends can get access as easily as the humans....
Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: erm, ermsville on 7:57pm Wed 19 Mar 08
oh look Ivor says something positive.
oops sorry my mistake, it's a pig flying, I bet you are wondering if that was counted too. Maybe there is a colony of ants that were counted, or bees, or fat bees counted as two.
I think it is great that we have good shops in a nice centre
oh look Ivor says something positive.
oops sorry my mistake, it's a pig flying, I bet you are wondering if that was counted too. Maybe there is a colony of ants that were counted, or bees, or fat bees counted as two.
I think it is great that we have good shops in a nice centre
Posted by: Ivor on 8:08pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Good shops? They mostly sell women’s clothes! There’s very little for the men folk of the town and as for selling everyday goods well I’m sure you know my views on that subject!
erm: My latest blog is positive and upbeat. Haven’t you read it yet? No? Well take a look and leave a comment (on the blog) to let me know what you think!
[bold]I think we’re on the verge of something big in this town. Read my blog to find out more![/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Good shops? They mostly sell women’s clothes! There’s very little for the men folk of the town and as for selling everyday goods well I’m sure you know my views on that subject!
erm: My latest blog is positive and upbeat. Haven’t you read it yet? No? Well take a look and leave a comment (on the blog) to let me know what you think!
I think we’re on the verge of something big in this town. Read my blog to find out more! Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: ?????, bucks on 8:15pm Wed 19 Mar 08
These figures are only an estimate guys! Its not as if there saying 350241 people have entered! Im sure they will have taken all the figures from all the counters in the centre and divided by two to equate for people leaving the centre too!!! I thought it was wonderful to see so many people out in wycombe, I actually saw different people from all walks of live and religions sharing and enjoying something good that has happened to our town! Great to see!!!!
These figures are only an estimate guys! Its not as if there saying 350241 people have entered! Im sure they will have taken all the figures from all the counters in the centre and divided by two to equate for people leaving the centre too!!! I thought it was wonderful to see so many people out in wycombe, I actually saw different people from all walks of live and religions sharing and enjoying something good that has happened to our town! Great to see!!!!
Posted by: somewhereelse, at home on 8:53pm Wed 19 Mar 08
these figures are taken from the fact it was all the council employees having there 2 hours free from work at our expence to go shopping
these figures are taken from the fact it was all the council employees having there 2 hours free from work at our expence to go shopping
Posted by: George - Wycombe on 2:25am Thu 20 Mar 08
TRY ISAAC LORDS.
If you want overpriced tat go to Eden, when in town I tried to get a couple 'splitpins' NO CHANCE the answer was always the same, TRY ISAAC LORDS.
We are lucky to still have some of our old established shops.
With most of Eden being there before the refurbishment, where was the £300 million spent? for that money I would have expected the developers to provide a tunnel to take the A40 traffic away from the Eden centre.
TRY ISAAC LORDS.
If you want overpriced tat go to Eden, when in town I tried to get a couple 'splitpins' NO CHANCE the answer was always the same, TRY ISAAC LORDS.
We are lucky to still have some of our old established shops.
With most of Eden being there before the refurbishment, where was the £300 million spent? for that money I would have expected the developers to provide a tunnel to take the A40 traffic away from the Eden centre.
Posted by: George - Wycombe on 2:29am Thu 20 Mar 08
I was one of the 10,000 that walked through Marks & Spencers doors, took one look at their POOR selection of MEN'S shoes and immediately walked out again.
I was one of the 10,000 that walked through Marks & Spencers doors, took one look at their POOR selection of MEN'S shoes and immediately walked out again.
Posted by: Mario, Bucks on 7:03am Thu 20 Mar 08
These figures are pure bluster, the centre is failing miserably.
Takings at the counters are appalling, some of the retailers are spitting nails and feel duped.
These figures are pure bluster, the centre is failing miserably.
Takings at the counters are appalling, some of the retailers are spitting nails and feel duped.
Posted by: smokey, high wycombe on 7:27am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Mario[/bold] wrote:
These figures are pure bluster, the centre is failing miserably. Takings at the counters are appalling, some of the retailers are spitting nails and feel duped. [/quote] ohh thats interesting and certainly contradicts what I was told as I went round Eden
Do you want it to fail? And if so why? I really don't get some of the comments on here.
Wycombe is making a real effort to get into the 21st century but all a lot of you can do is whine and moan.
Would it make you happy if Eden had to close and became a ghost shopping centre? Would you be happy to perhaps go back 20 years and enter the dark cold octagon?
I really can't understand some of you in here. Not all the shops in Eden are open yet so we have more excitement to come.
I actually think some of you have nothing better to do but moan and I feel really sorry for you.
and Mario how on earth do you know the centre is failing and the takings are appalling?
Mario wrote:
These figures are pure bluster, the centre is failing miserably. Takings at the counters are appalling, some of the retailers are spitting nails and feel duped.
ohh thats interesting and certainly contradicts what I was told as I went round Eden
Do you want it to fail? And if so why? I really don't get some of the comments on here.
Wycombe is making a real effort to get into the 21st century but all a lot of you can do is whine and moan.
Would it make you happy if Eden had to close and became a ghost shopping centre? Would you be happy to perhaps go back 20 years and enter the dark cold octagon?
I really can't understand some of you in here. Not all the shops in Eden are open yet so we have more excitement to come.
I actually think some of you have nothing better to do but moan and I feel really sorry for you.
and Mario how on earth do you know the centre is failing and the takings are appalling?
Posted by: Mario, Bucks on 7:55am Thu 20 Mar 08
If there were not so many posters on here associated with Eden then maybe my comments would be a little more reserved.
Stop conning the publice public you t*ssers. Every Wycombe resident should be conserving cash at the moment, for what lies around the corner in the next few months and years for the economy is the worst anyone will have seen in post war Britain.
Smokey, to answer your question about Eden: I predict it will be deserted within two years with tumbleweed blowing through, but I do not wish it so!
If there were not so many posters on here associated with Eden then maybe my comments would be a little more reserved.
Stop conning the publice public you t*ssers. Every Wycombe resident should be conserving cash at the moment, for what lies around the corner in the next few months and years for the economy is the worst anyone will have seen in post war Britain.
Smokey, to answer your question about Eden: I predict it will be deserted within two years with tumbleweed blowing through, but I do not wish it so!
Posted by: smokey, high wycombe on 8:43am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Mario[/bold] wrote:
If there were not so many posters on here associated with Eden then maybe my comments would be a little more reserved. Stop conning the publice public you t*ssers. Every Wycombe resident should be conserving cash at the moment, for what lies around the corner in the next few months and years for the economy is the worst anyone will have seen in post war Britain. Smokey, to answer your question about Eden: I predict it will be deserted within two years with tumbleweed blowing through, but I do not wish it so! [/quote] it is very sad that you think that and you are so wrong.
You may want to conserve your cash - but not everyone has your *ahem* pessimistic view of life.
what exactly do you want for our town? ANd please give me an intelligent honest answer cos I am genuinely curious.
Mario wrote:
If there were not so many posters on here associated with Eden then maybe my comments would be a little more reserved. Stop conning the publice public you t*ssers. Every Wycombe resident should be conserving cash at the moment, for what lies around the corner in the next few months and years for the economy is the worst anyone will have seen in post war Britain. Smokey, to answer your question about Eden: I predict it will be deserted within two years with tumbleweed blowing through, but I do not wish it so!
it is very sad that you think that and you are so wrong.
You may want to conserve your cash - but not everyone has your *ahem* pessimistic view of life.
what exactly do you want for our town? ANd please give me an intelligent honest answer cos I am genuinely curious.
Posted by: wayne, wycombe on 9:18am Thu 20 Mar 08
Who cares about numbers, the amount of people in town yesterday was sparse to say the least. I walked aroud and quite frankly not sure what the fuss is about, can't see that there's much more variety, many of the shops have merely moved from one part of town to the other, big deal. Because of parking and the fact that large purchases have to be ordered anyway, I will continue to use the internet and out-of-town shopping areas like john lewis.
Who cares about numbers, the amount of people in town yesterday was sparse to say the least. I walked aroud and quite frankly not sure what the fuss is about, can't see that there's much more variety, many of the shops have merely moved from one part of town to the other, big deal. Because of parking and the fact that large purchases have to be ordered anyway, I will continue to use the internet and out-of-town shopping areas like john lewis.
Posted by: Mario, Bucks on 10:09am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Mario[/bold] wrote: If there were not so many posters on here associated with Eden then maybe my comments would be a little more reserved. Stop conning the publice public you t*ssers. Every Wycombe resident should be conserving cash at the moment, for what lies around the corner in the next few months and years for the economy is the worst anyone will have seen in post war Britain. Smokey, to answer your question about Eden: I predict it will be deserted within two years with tumbleweed blowing through, but I do not wish it so! [/quote] it is very sad that you think that and you are so wrong. You may want to conserve your cash - but not everyone has your *ahem* pessimistic view of life. what exactly do you want for our town? ANd please give me an intelligent honest answer cos I am genuinely curious. [/quote] Smokey, most of the country has been living a credit based lifestyle for a decade based on misconceptions over house price values.
If I told you that in the square mile there have been more banker suicides in the first quarter of 2008 than the whole of 2007 then maybe that will give you a glimpse of the scale of the problems facing the economy.
Just continue telling yourself everything is OK mate!
smokey wrote:
Mario wrote: If there were not so many posters on here associated with Eden then maybe my comments would be a little more reserved. Stop conning the publice public you t*ssers. Every Wycombe resident should be conserving cash at the moment, for what lies around the corner in the next few months and years for the economy is the worst anyone will have seen in post war Britain. Smokey, to answer your question about Eden: I predict it will be deserted within two years with tumbleweed blowing through, but I do not wish it so!
it is very sad that you think that and you are so wrong. You may want to conserve your cash - but not everyone has your *ahem* pessimistic view of life. what exactly do you want for our town? ANd please give me an intelligent honest answer cos I am genuinely curious.
Smokey, most of the country has been living a credit based lifestyle for a decade based on misconceptions over house price values.
If I told you that in the square mile there have been more banker suicides in the first quarter of 2008 than the whole of 2007 then maybe that will give you a glimpse of the scale of the problems facing the economy.
Just continue telling yourself everything is OK mate!
Posted by: Moscow Mule, Moscow on 10:24am Thu 20 Mar 08
I note that in Ivor’s posting timed at 2.48 on Monday 17th of March in response to the story “Eden – it’s what we’ve been waiting for”, timed at 4.47 on Saturday 15th of March, he specifies one item on his, now celebrated, shopping list.
This is a “double-breasted suite”.
I have never seen such an item, let alone sat on one. I imagine they would only appeal to individuals with rather unusual preferences.
However, I am intrigued vis-à-vis their appearance.
Do they have tassels?
I note that in Ivor’s posting timed at 2.48 on Monday 17th of March in response to the story “Eden – it’s what we’ve been waiting for”, timed at 4.47 on Saturday 15th of March, he specifies one item on his, now celebrated, shopping list.
This is a “double-breasted suite”.
I have never seen such an item, let alone sat on one. I imagine they would only appeal to individuals with rather unusual preferences.
However, I am intrigued vis-à-vis their appearance.
Do they have tassels?
Posted by: Moscow Mule, Moscow on 10:24am Thu 20 Mar 08
I note that in Ivor’s posting timed at 2.48 on Monday 17th of March in response to the story “Eden – it’s what we’ve been waiting for”, timed at 4.47 on Saturday 15th of March, he specifies one item on his, now celebrated, shopping list.
This is a “double-breasted suite”.
I have never seen such an item, let alone sat on one. I imagine they would only appeal to individuals with rather unusual preferences.
However, I am intrigued vis-à-vis their appearance.
Do they have tassels?
I note that in Ivor’s posting timed at 2.48 on Monday 17th of March in response to the story “Eden – it’s what we’ve been waiting for”, timed at 4.47 on Saturday 15th of March, he specifies one item on his, now celebrated, shopping list.
This is a “double-breasted suite”.
I have never seen such an item, let alone sat on one. I imagine they would only appeal to individuals with rather unusual preferences.
However, I am intrigued vis-à-vis their appearance.
Do they have tassels?
Posted by: smokey, high wycombe on 10:49am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Mario[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Mario[/bold] wrote: If there were not so many posters on here associated with Eden then maybe my comments would be a little more reserved. Stop conning the publice public you t*ssers. Every Wycombe resident should be conserving cash at the moment, for what lies around the corner in the next few months and years for the economy is the worst anyone will have seen in post war Britain. Smokey, to answer your question about Eden: I predict it will be deserted within two years with tumbleweed blowing through, but I do not wish it so! [/quote] it is very sad that you think that and you are so wrong. You may want to conserve your cash - but not everyone has your *ahem* pessimistic view of life. what exactly do you want for our town? ANd please give me an intelligent honest answer cos I am genuinely curious. [/quote] Smokey, most of the country has been living a credit based lifestyle for a decade based on misconceptions over house price values. If I told you that in the square mile there have been more banker suicides in the first quarter of 2008 than the whole of 2007 then maybe that will give you a glimpse of the scale of the problems facing the economy. Just continue telling yourself everything is OK mate! [/quote] I live for today.
I do what I can to keep my little corner of the world going.
I work hard and I play hard
I have seen too much suffering and people who have saved for a rainy day just to be hit with serious illness and worse when that rainy day comes.
Mario wrote:
smokey wrote: Mario wrote: If there were not so many posters on here associated with Eden then maybe my comments would be a little more reserved. Stop conning the publice public you t*ssers. Every Wycombe resident should be conserving cash at the moment, for what lies around the corner in the next few months and years for the economy is the worst anyone will have seen in post war Britain. Smokey, to answer your question about Eden: I predict it will be deserted within two years with tumbleweed blowing through, but I do not wish it so!
it is very sad that you think that and you are so wrong. You may want to conserve your cash - but not everyone has your *ahem* pessimistic view of life. what exactly do you want for our town? ANd please give me an intelligent honest answer cos I am genuinely curious.
Smokey, most of the country has been living a credit based lifestyle for a decade based on misconceptions over house price values. If I told you that in the square mile there have been more banker suicides in the first quarter of 2008 than the whole of 2007 then maybe that will give you a glimpse of the scale of the problems facing the economy. Just continue telling yourself everything is OK mate!
I live for today.
I do what I can to keep my little corner of the world going.
I work hard and I play hard
I have seen too much suffering and people who have saved for a rainy day just to be hit with serious illness and worse when that rainy day comes.
Posted by: Mario, Bucks on 1:24pm Thu 20 Mar 08
OK Smokey good for you, but do you not accept that trying to whip Wycombe residents into a credit card frenzy at Eden is a little irresponsible?
The sales performance there is terrible and conning a few locals itno dropping few pounds down the slots will not help. The venture is ill-timed and doomed.
OK Smokey good for you, but do you not accept that trying to whip Wycombe residents into a credit card frenzy at Eden is a little irresponsible?
The sales performance there is terrible and conning a few locals itno dropping few pounds down the slots will not help. The venture is ill-timed and doomed.
Posted by: smokey, high wycombe on 1:52pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Mario[/bold] wrote:
OK Smokey good for you, but do you not accept that trying to whip Wycombe residents into a credit card frenzy at Eden is a little irresponsible? The sales performance there is terrible and conning a few locals itno dropping few pounds down the slots will not help. The venture is ill-timed and doomed. [/quote] No
I see a brand new shopping centre and I would love to know where you get your info that the sales are terrible - I really would.
Mario wrote:
OK Smokey good for you, but do you not accept that trying to whip Wycombe residents into a credit card frenzy at Eden is a little irresponsible? The sales performance there is terrible and conning a few locals itno dropping few pounds down the slots will not help. The venture is ill-timed and doomed.
No
I see a brand new shopping centre and I would love to know where you get your info that the sales are terrible - I really would.
Posted by: Mario, Bucks on 2:10pm Thu 20 Mar 08
ffs Smokey, don't you know a single person who works there? Some of the assistants are standing in their department for a whole afternoon and not making a SINGLE sale....
ffs Smokey, don't you know a single person who works there? Some of the assistants are standing in their department for a whole afternoon and not making a SINGLE sale....
Posted by: smokey, high wycombe on 2:40pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Mario[/bold] wrote:
ffs Smokey, don't you know a single person who works there? Some of the assistants are standing in their department for a whole afternoon and not making a SINGLE sale.... [/quote] my daughter works in Frankie and Bennies
she has been incredibly busy
I asked various assistants in House of Fraser, Marks and spencers, Monsoon - they all said they had been very very busy.
Admitedly I didn't ask to see their sales figures at the end of the day - perhaps I should have done.;)
Mario wrote:
ffs Smokey, don't you know a single person who works there? Some of the assistants are standing in their department for a whole afternoon and not making a SINGLE sale....
my daughter works in Frankie and Bennies
she has been incredibly busy
I asked various assistants in House of Fraser, Marks and spencers, Monsoon - they all said they had been very very busy.
Admitedly I didn't ask to see their sales figures at the end of the day - perhaps I should have done.;)
Posted by: Mario, Bucks on 2:44pm Thu 20 Mar 08
"Busy" just means footfall not sales. The two terms are completely unrelated in the context of a new shopping centre.
The bowling place has been fully booked on occasions but some of the other stores you mentioned - you are having a LAUGH!
"Busy" just means footfall not sales. The two terms are completely unrelated in the context of a new shopping centre.
The bowling place has been fully booked on occasions but some of the other stores you mentioned - you are having a LAUGH!
Posted by: smokey, high wycombe on 2:54pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Mario[/bold] wrote:
"Busy" just means footfall not sales. The two terms are completely unrelated in the context of a new shopping centre. The bowling place has been fully booked on occasions but some of the other stores you mentioned - you are having a LAUGH! [/quote] do you know what?
I don't argue without evidence.
Lets wait to see what the papers say what the sales are
I am bored now - we are going round in circles. You have not given me one shred of proof that these shops have made a loss - not one
And as I say - M and S were busy - I should know cos I queued for ages at the checkout
and wycombe is actually quite an affluent town. There is money and it will be spent.
Mario wrote:
"Busy" just means footfall not sales. The two terms are completely unrelated in the context of a new shopping centre. The bowling place has been fully booked on occasions but some of the other stores you mentioned - you are having a LAUGH!
do you know what?
I don't argue without evidence.
Lets wait to see what the papers say what the sales are
I am bored now - we are going round in circles. You have not given me one shred of proof that these shops have made a loss - not one
And as I say - M and S were busy - I should know cos I queued for ages at the checkout
and wycombe is actually quite an affluent town. There is money and it will be spent.
Posted by: wayne, wycombe on 7:00pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Well of course it's going to be busy for pete's sake, it's only been open for a few days, once the novelty factor wears off then the complaints from businesses will start.
Well of course it's going to be busy for pete's sake, it's only been open for a few days, once the novelty factor wears off then the complaints from businesses will start.
Posted by: WycombeDad, High Wycombe on 7:37pm Thu 20 Mar 08
A warning to avoid paying attention to Mario. He has been seen to be consistently lie in his posts. I personally suspect he's working for a neighbouring shopping centre. Either that or he's a total sociopath.
A warning to avoid paying attention to Mario. He has been seen to be consistently lie in his posts. I personally suspect he's working for a neighbouring shopping centre. Either that or he's a total sociopath.
Posted by: George - Wycombe on 8:14pm Thu 20 Mar 08
There have already been comments about one of Eden's STAR ATTRACTIONS allowing 8 or 9 year olds to play the slot machines on their premises, shopping numbers shouldn't be the only thing WDC and BFP have to interest them.
Wycombe may have waited a long time for upgrading but at what cost if the law is being broken the first week end it opens.
There have already been comments about one of Eden's STAR ATTRACTIONS allowing 8 or 9 year olds to play the slot machines on their premises, shopping numbers shouldn't be the only thing WDC and BFP have to interest them.
Wycombe may have waited a long time for upgrading but at what cost if the law is being broken the first week end it opens.
Posted by: Steve, Wycombe on 10:47pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I have nothing against Eden, As a wycombe guy born & Bred I wish to see us put back onto the map BUT are you telling me that THEY spend 300 MILLION and they come up with something you cannot even call a shopping centre because it has no real roof, and you freeze your t**ts off trying to walk through one store to another. Look around you years ago centres have been built, Uxbridge Chimes, Watford Harlequin, Manchester Trafford Centre, Birmingham Bullring, Reading Oracle, AND NOW in 2008 and 300 Million pounds later they Build this poor excuse of a shopping centre you would expect it to be if not better than these shopping centres but at least on par with them. A shopping centre is not just a bunch of shops stuck together in one place but placed in a pleasant environment with maybe a bit of clever design and ambience to walk around in.
I have nothing against Eden, As a wycombe guy born & Bred I wish to see us put back onto the map BUT are you telling me that THEY spend 300 MILLION and they come up with something you cannot even call a shopping centre because it has no real roof, and you freeze your t**ts off trying to walk through one store to another. Look around you years ago centres have been built, Uxbridge Chimes, Watford Harlequin, Manchester Trafford Centre, Birmingham Bullring, Reading Oracle, AND NOW in 2008 and 300 Million pounds later they Build this poor excuse of a shopping centre you would expect it to be if not better than these shopping centres but at least on par with them. A shopping centre is not just a bunch of shops stuck together in one place but placed in a pleasant environment with maybe a bit of clever design and ambience to walk around in.
Posted by: Mario, Bucks on 11:04am Fri 21 Mar 08
Very true Steve.
I remember well when the Cressex retail area sprung up (Asda, John Lewia, Wycombe6 etc...) and more recently the Marsh retail development.
You did not hear vociferous opposition to either of them because they were welcomed by locals in the Ward, Wycombites generally and the wider Bucks population...in short they were much needed sensible developments that did not impact anyone adversely.
It is not just Eden that people hate, ask anyone about there feelings toward the new 460 dwelling development behind Currys in the Marsh and you will get a barrage of expletives.
Both developments cause serious traffic problems, adversely impact neighbouring areas (remember Ye Auld High Street WDC, do ya, no really, do ya?), Desborough and of course the market traders.
WDC needs to be overhauled, its all about filling the coffers with as many tax and rates receipts as possible, to h*ll with the consequences, and then spending half of them on WDC employee pensions.
You never see WDC show that in a pie chart do you!
Very true Steve.
I remember well when the Cressex retail area sprung up (Asda, John Lewia, Wycombe6 etc...) and more recently the Marsh retail development.
You did not hear vociferous opposition to either of them because they were welcomed by locals in the Ward, Wycombites generally and the wider Bucks population...in short they were much needed sensible developments that did not impact anyone adversely.
It is not just Eden that people hate, ask anyone about there feelings toward the new 460 dwelling development behind Currys in the Marsh and you will get a barrage of expletives.
Both developments cause serious traffic problems, adversely impact neighbouring areas (remember Ye Auld High Street WDC, do ya, no really, do ya?), Desborough and of course the market traders.
WDC needs to be overhauled, its all about filling the coffers with as many tax and rates receipts as possible, to h*ll with the consequences, and then spending half of them on WDC employee pensions.
You never see WDC show that in a pie chart do you!
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