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Disabled drivers' anger at Eden car park
DISABLED drivers have slammed Eden's new carpark as they can no longer use it for free - and say they will be forced to park further away or avoid the centre altogether.
Before the new complex opened the carpark was owned by the district council, which let blue disabled badge holders park for free.
It is now privately owned by Eden, which is honouring the badges within the multi-storey, but holders have to pay for the space.
Some free disabled spaces are available at the back of the centre in Desborough Road, but are for Shopmobility members only.
Marjorie Board, 78, got caught out in the carpark with her disabled husband on Friday, and Bernadette Bowles, 59, are angry as they say there was no warning of the change.
If they use the Eden carpark, they say they will have to pay more than others because it takes them longer to shop, or park further away in a free space.
Bernadette, from Great Kingshill, suffers from arthritis. The retired charity worker and mother-of-two visited Eden on Thursday.
She said: "It was very nice but being charged £2.50 for the privilege was relatively unpleasant.
"I only bought one small thing. I'm quite sure that somebody that could go from shop to shop and not have to sit down could have done it for a lot cheaper.
"I think it's discriminatory."
Marjorie, a great grandmother-of-three, from Glory Close, Wooburn Green, added: "It's a lovely place, don't get me wrong, but I think it's bad they're going to penalise the disabled from going to the carpark.
"My husband said he wouldn't shop there anymore."
Daniel Tomkinson, Eden centre manager, said: "It is standard practice for all spaces in privately owned car parks to carry the same charge.
"However, we have ensured that there is plenty of fully accessible parking for disabled with all facilities within easy reach."
He added the multi-storey had dedicated spaces for blue badge visitors and it met all criteria under the Disability Discrimination Act.
11:56am Thursday 20th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: Ivor on 12:31pm Thu 20 Mar 08
This is awful. You would have thought the disabled could have parked for free but sadly it appears not.
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This is awful. You would have thought the disabled could have parked for free but sadly it appears not.
Don’t forget to read Ivor’s blog. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: Tharus Bond, Wycombe on 12:49pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote]Daniel Tomkinson, Eden centre manager, said: "It is standard practice for all spaces in privately owned car parks to carry the same charge.[/quote]
this is an outrage they shouldn't be made to pay for parking if they have a blue badge even if it is privatley owned!
Daniel Tomkinson, Eden centre manager, said: "It is standard practice for all spaces in privately owned car parks to carry the same charge.
this is an outrage they shouldn't be made to pay for parking if they have a blue badge even if it is privatley owned!
Posted by: needmoresleep, High Wycombe on 12:51pm Thu 20 Mar 08
If they're determined to charge, there should at least be a special rate - half price - to cover the fact that disabled people may take longer to do their shopping. But is compromise ever an option? Obviously not when profit is seen as being potentially 'lost' rather than slightly less 'gained'
If they're determined to charge, there should at least be a special rate - half price - to cover the fact that disabled people may take longer to do their shopping. But is compromise ever an option? Obviously not when profit is seen as being potentially 'lost' rather than slightly less 'gained'
Posted by: Lol, close on 1:20pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way!
Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way!
Posted by: Patony, Stokenchurch on 1:27pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I took my disable mother shopping yesterday, she has to use a frame to get around, we took a slow walk round the Eden Centre and then stopped in Tesco's to do her weekly shop, then to top it all it cost an extra £2.80 parking and this was without stopping for a coffee - we are going to have to re-think shopping in Wycombe - We have supported Wycombe over the past years even whilst the building work has been carried out and now we are getting persecuted.
I took my disable mother shopping yesterday, she has to use a frame to get around, we took a slow walk round the Eden Centre and then stopped in Tesco's to do her weekly shop, then to top it all it cost an extra £2.80 parking and this was without stopping for a coffee - we are going to have to re-think shopping in Wycombe - We have supported Wycombe over the past years even whilst the building work has been carried out and now we are getting persecuted.
Posted by: needmoresleep, High Wycombe on 1:34pm Thu 20 Mar 08
As I say, a compromise at half price would keep both sides a little happier. BFP should do a campaign for this... pay and display machines for the disabled, next to the allocated bays, that charge half price - NOW!
As I say, a compromise at half price would keep both sides a little happier. BFP should do a campaign for this... pay and display machines for the disabled, next to the allocated bays, that charge half price - NOW!
Posted by: smokey, high wycombe on 1:46pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Lol[/bold] wrote:
Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way![/quote] I am so glad you said this cos I thought it
Many disabled people hold full time jobs - so why should they get free parking?
I am not hard but come on you can't have it both ways.
yes there should be dsabled spaces - but why shouldn't they pay?
Lol wrote:
Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way!
I am so glad you said this cos I thought it
Many disabled people hold full time jobs - so why should they get free parking?
I am not hard but come on you can't have it both ways.
yes there should be dsabled spaces - but why shouldn't they pay?
Posted by: bexs, high wycombe on 1:52pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Daniel Tomkinson, Eden centre manager, said: "It is standard practice for all spaces in privately owned car parks to carry the same charge.
Not all disabled spaces are free to park in you know, and neither should they be. I agree disabled places should be allocated and they have. What is the problem. So you have to pay for it? They also have child allocated slots which I think is an excellent idea, that too takes time to get the buggies in and out of the car, strap the little ones in, wait for the lift, takes longer round the shops, you dont see the mums and dads complaining that they want free parking! You cant have it both ways.
Daniel Tomkinson, Eden centre manager, said: "It is standard practice for all spaces in privately owned car parks to carry the same charge.
Not all disabled spaces are free to park in you know, and neither should they be. I agree disabled places should be allocated and they have. What is the problem. So you have to pay for it? They also have child allocated slots which I think is an excellent idea, that too takes time to get the buggies in and out of the car, strap the little ones in, wait for the lift, takes longer round the shops, you dont see the mums and dads complaining that they want free parking! You cant have it both ways.
Posted by: smokey, high wycombe on 1:55pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bexs[/bold] wrote:
Daniel Tomkinson, Eden centre manager, said: "It is standard practice for all spaces in privately owned car parks to carry the same charge. Not all disabled spaces are free to park in you know, and neither should they be. I agree disabled places should be allocated and they have. What is the problem. So you have to pay for it? They also have child allocated slots which I think is an excellent idea, that too takes time to get the buggies in and out of the car, strap the little ones in, wait for the lift, takes longer round the shops, you dont see the mums and dads complaining that they want free parking! You cant have it both ways. [/quote] exactly
I really can't see what the issue is here .. in fact I thought they did pay
and actually all sorts of conditions are allowed to have disabled badges - not just the heavily disabled - some quite "able bodied "folks can have them too.
bexs wrote:
Daniel Tomkinson, Eden centre manager, said: "It is standard practice for all spaces in privately owned car parks to carry the same charge. Not all disabled spaces are free to park in you know, and neither should they be. I agree disabled places should be allocated and they have. What is the problem. So you have to pay for it? They also have child allocated slots which I think is an excellent idea, that too takes time to get the buggies in and out of the car, strap the little ones in, wait for the lift, takes longer round the shops, you dont see the mums and dads complaining that they want free parking! You cant have it both ways.
exactly
I really can't see what the issue is here .. in fact I thought they did pay
and actually all sorts of conditions are allowed to have disabled badges - not just the heavily disabled - some quite "able bodied "folks can have them too.
Posted by: Mario, Bucks on 2:24pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I am sick and tired of funding the lifestyle of the disabled (many of whom are not actually disabled at all).
I appreciate that any civilised society is measured by how it takes care of citizens in need, but nevertheless all UK taxpayers are being taken for a right royal ride by some of the most workshy morons that have ever trod this earth.
I welcome Eden's decision.
I am sick and tired of funding the lifestyle of the disabled (many of whom are not actually disabled at all).
I appreciate that any civilised society is measured by how it takes care of citizens in need, but nevertheless all UK taxpayers are being taken for a right royal ride by some of the most workshy morons that have ever trod this earth.
I welcome Eden's decision.
Posted by: Mario, Bucks on 2:29pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Interesting paradox:
Every Saturday you will not find a single free disabled bay in any major supermarket car park. But go instore, and not an ef*ing wheelchair in sight!
Interesting paradox:
Every Saturday you will not find a single free disabled bay in any major supermarket car park. But go instore, and not an ef*ing wheelchair in sight!
Posted by: bonnie-x, marlow on 5:25pm Thu 20 Mar 08
this is a letter i wrote to eden about parking and the disabled driver
to whom it may concern
we have enjoyed many years of shopping in tescos car park in high wycombe free which is now the eden car park. my husband is disabled and we relied on this car park, as a disabled driver, funds are scarce. this new scheme of yours to pay at barriars has restricted us from going into high wycombe. today we went there and had to pay a pound on exit as we could not find a space and rather than keep going around the car park looking for hours( which would of cost us more) we exited at a pound loss. why can you justify penalising the disabled driver, when infact they have blue badges to allow them to park free,but in your car park you can't. this will prevent us and others i expect from visiting high wycombe, as a bus ride is usually unsuitable for any one with a disablility. if however there is a scheme that we are not aware of could you please let us know. we have scoured the internet for information which is not available.
this is a letter i wrote to eden about parking and the disabled driver
to whom it may concern
we have enjoyed many years of shopping in tescos car park in high wycombe free which is now the eden car park. my husband is disabled and we relied on this car park, as a disabled driver, funds are scarce. this new scheme of yours to pay at barriars has restricted us from going into high wycombe. today we went there and had to pay a pound on exit as we could not find a space and rather than keep going around the car park looking for hours( which would of cost us more) we exited at a pound loss. why can you justify penalising the disabled driver, when infact they have blue badges to allow them to park free,but in your car park you can't. this will prevent us and others i expect from visiting high wycombe, as a bus ride is usually unsuitable for any one with a disablility. if however there is a scheme that we are not aware of could you please let us know. we have scoured the internet for information which is not available.
Posted by: yabbadabbadoo, wooburn green on 5:27pm Thu 20 Mar 08
must admit my gut reaction to this story is why shouldn't they pay? i have to,single parents on benefit and pensioners have to. just cos they are disabled shouldn't mean they don't have to pay surely.
they get preferencial parking spots at the front/nearest to the shops so what more do they want? free as well? why?? i'm not heartless but just cos they're disabled doesn't mean they have less money than the rest of us. as i said single parents and pensioners have to find the money...
must admit my gut reaction to this story is why shouldn't they pay? i have to,single parents on benefit and pensioners have to. just cos they are disabled shouldn't mean they don't have to pay surely.
they get preferencial parking spots at the front/nearest to the shops so what more do they want? free as well? why?? i'm not heartless but just cos they're disabled doesn't mean they have less money than the rest of us. as i said single parents and pensioners have to find the money...
Posted by: bonnie-x, marlow on 5:29pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Lol[/bold] wrote: Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way![/quote] I am so glad you said this cos I thought it Many disabled people hold full time jobs - so why should they get free parking? I am not hard but come on you can't have it both ways. yes there should be dsabled spaces - but why shouldn't they pay?[/quote] in fact your wrong alot of people with disabilities do not work and have limited income. lets hope you never have to be disabled too.
smokey wrote:
Lol wrote: Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way!
I am so glad you said this cos I thought it Many disabled people hold full time jobs - so why should they get free parking? I am not hard but come on you can't have it both ways. yes there should be dsabled spaces - but why shouldn't they pay?
in fact your wrong alot of people with disabilities do not work and have limited income. lets hope you never have to be disabled too.
Posted by: bonnie-x, marlow on 5:38pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]needmoresleep[/bold] wrote:
As I say, a compromise at half price would keep both sides a little happier. BFP should do a campaign for this... pay and display machines for the disabled, next to the allocated bays, that charge half price - NOW! [/quote] with a husband who is disabled i agree with your comment about keeping both sides happy, sounds a good idea having machines by the parking bays too, as sometimes you walk miles just to find a meter.
needmoresleep wrote:
As I say, a compromise at half price would keep both sides a little happier. BFP should do a campaign for this... pay and display machines for the disabled, next to the allocated bays, that charge half price - NOW!
with a husband who is disabled i agree with your comment about keeping both sides happy, sounds a good idea having machines by the parking bays too, as sometimes you walk miles just to find a meter.
Posted by: Eris, High Wycombe on 5:39pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bonnie-x[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Lol[/bold] wrote: Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way![/quote] I am so glad you said this cos I thought it Many disabled people hold full time jobs - so why should they get free parking? I am not hard but come on you can't have it both ways. yes there should be dsabled spaces - but why shouldn't they pay?[/quote] in fact your wrong alot of people with disabilities do not work and have limited income. lets hope you never have to be disabled too.[/quote] I can tell you categorically, with a wealth of knowledge behind me, a lot of people with disabilities can and do work. The blue badges are not necessarily only given to heavily disabled people. I know of people who work, plus received various benefits (legally!), and still have a blue badge, so can often park for free.
A disability does not always equal an inability to work and earn money, therefore exceptions should not necessarily be made just for a blue badge.
bonnie-x wrote:
smokey wrote:
Lol wrote: Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way!
I am so glad you said this cos I thought it Many disabled people hold full time jobs - so why should they get free parking? I am not hard but come on you can't have it both ways. yes there should be dsabled spaces - but why shouldn't they pay?
in fact your wrong alot of people with disabilities do not work and have limited income. lets hope you never have to be disabled too.
I can tell you categorically, with a wealth of knowledge behind me, a lot of people with disabilities can and do work. The blue badges are not necessarily only given to heavily disabled people. I know of people who work, plus received various benefits (legally!), and still have a blue badge, so can often park for free.
A disability does not always equal an inability to work and earn money, therefore exceptions should not necessarily be made just for a blue badge.
Posted by: bonnie-x, marlow on 5:39pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Mario[/bold] wrote:
Interesting paradox: Every Saturday you will not find a single free disabled bay in any major supermarket car park. But go instore, and not an ef*ing wheelchair in sight! [/quote] next you will be saying that your not disabled because your not old enough. not all disabled people need wheelchairs, its not always just their legs you know???
Mario wrote:
Interesting paradox: Every Saturday you will not find a single free disabled bay in any major supermarket car park. But go instore, and not an ef*ing wheelchair in sight!
next you will be saying that your not disabled because your not old enough. not all disabled people need wheelchairs, its not always just their legs you know???
Posted by: bonnie-x, marlow on 5:50pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Eris[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bonnie-x[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Lol[/bold] wrote: Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way![/quote] I am so glad you said this cos I thought it Many disabled people hold full time jobs - so why should they get free parking? I am not hard but come on you can't have it both ways. yes there should be dsabled spaces - but why shouldn't they pay?[/quote] in fact your wrong alot of people with disabilities do not work and have limited income. lets hope you never have to be disabled too.[/quote] I can tell you categorically, with a wealth of knowledge behind me, a lot of people with disabilities can and do work. The blue badges are not necessarily only given to heavily disabled people. I know of people who work, plus received various benefits (legally!), and still have a blue badge, so can often park for free. A disability does not always equal an inability to work and earn money, therefore exceptions should not necessarily be made just for a blue badge.[/quote] there are differnt types of disability, and i suppose what i'm voicing my opinion about is people who have limited mobility, not disability, i agree there are alot of people on disability that can work and do their normal day to day things, but it tends to also penalises the ones that can barely walk themselves.as previous members have said it does take longer for disabled people to get around. some people may appear appear to expliot the system, i've seen them myself, some even using photocopied ones, so i do agree with you too.
Eris wrote:
bonnie-x wrote: smokey wrote: Lol wrote: Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way!
I am so glad you said this cos I thought it Many disabled people hold full time jobs - so why should they get free parking? I am not hard but come on you can't have it both ways. yes there should be dsabled spaces - but why shouldn't they pay?
in fact your wrong alot of people with disabilities do not work and have limited income. lets hope you never have to be disabled too.
I can tell you categorically, with a wealth of knowledge behind me, a lot of people with disabilities can and do work. The blue badges are not necessarily only given to heavily disabled people. I know of people who work, plus received various benefits (legally!), and still have a blue badge, so can often park for free. A disability does not always equal an inability to work and earn money, therefore exceptions should not necessarily be made just for a blue badge.
there are differnt types of disability, and i suppose what i'm voicing my opinion about is people who have limited mobility, not disability, i agree there are alot of people on disability that can work and do their normal day to day things, but it tends to also penalises the ones that can barely walk themselves.as previous members have said it does take longer for disabled people to get around. some people may appear appear to expliot the system, i've seen them myself, some even using photocopied ones, so i do agree with you too.
Posted by: smokey, high wycombe on 5:53pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bonnie-x[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Lol[/bold] wrote: Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way![/quote] I am so glad you said this cos I thought it Many disabled people hold full time jobs - so why should they get free parking? I am not hard but come on you can't have it both ways. yes there should be dsabled spaces - but why shouldn't they pay?[/quote] in fact your wrong alot of people with disabilities do not work and have limited income. lets hope you never have to be disabled too.[/quote] and how on earth do you know that I am not?
Hopw do you know that I don't have a disabled loved one?
And how do you know that I am not on a limited income?
Actually I can only drive an automatic - not a manual
OMG - does that make me disabled?
bonnie-x wrote:
smokey wrote: Lol wrote: Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way!
I am so glad you said this cos I thought it Many disabled people hold full time jobs - so why should they get free parking? I am not hard but come on you can't have it both ways. yes there should be dsabled spaces - but why shouldn't they pay?
in fact your wrong alot of people with disabilities do not work and have limited income. lets hope you never have to be disabled too.
and how on earth do you know that I am not?
Hopw do you know that I don't have a disabled loved one?
And how do you know that I am not on a limited income?
Actually I can only drive an automatic - not a manual
OMG - does that make me disabled?
Posted by: bonnie-x, marlow on 5:58pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Patony[/bold] wrote:
I took my disable mother shopping yesterday, she has to use a frame to get around, we took a slow walk round the Eden Centre and then stopped in Tesco's to do her weekly shop, then to top it all it cost an extra £2.80 parking and this was without stopping for a coffee - we are going to have to re-think shopping in Wycombe - We have supported Wycombe over the past years even whilst the building work has been carried out and now we are getting persecuted.[/quote] we had the same problem the day it first opened, we have shopped at tescos for years and my hubby says hes not going there i wonder how much trade tescos will loose because of it.
Patony wrote:
I took my disable mother shopping yesterday, she has to use a frame to get around, we took a slow walk round the Eden Centre and then stopped in Tesco's to do her weekly shop, then to top it all it cost an extra £2.80 parking and this was without stopping for a coffee - we are going to have to re-think shopping in Wycombe - We have supported Wycombe over the past years even whilst the building work has been carried out and now we are getting persecuted.
we had the same problem the day it first opened, we have shopped at tescos for years and my hubby says hes not going there i wonder how much trade tescos will loose because of it.
Posted by: smokey, high wycombe on 6:23pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bonnie-x[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Patony[/bold] wrote: I took my disable mother shopping yesterday, she has to use a frame to get around, we took a slow walk round the Eden Centre and then stopped in Tesco's to do her weekly shop, then to top it all it cost an extra £2.80 parking and this was without stopping for a coffee - we are going to have to re-think shopping in Wycombe - We have supported Wycombe over the past years even whilst the building work has been carried out and now we are getting persecuted.[/quote] we had the same problem the day it first opened, we have shopped at tescos for years and my hubby says hes not going there i wonder how much trade tescos will loose because of it.[/quote] tescos - lose trade!
There is a god.
hopefully they will lose enough and close that eyesore down
bonnie-x wrote:
Patony wrote: I took my disable mother shopping yesterday, she has to use a frame to get around, we took a slow walk round the Eden Centre and then stopped in Tesco's to do her weekly shop, then to top it all it cost an extra £2.80 parking and this was without stopping for a coffee - we are going to have to re-think shopping in Wycombe - We have supported Wycombe over the past years even whilst the building work has been carried out and now we are getting persecuted.
we had the same problem the day it first opened, we have shopped at tescos for years and my hubby says hes not going there i wonder how much trade tescos will loose because of it.
tescos - lose trade!
There is a god.
hopefully they will lose enough and close that eyesore down
Posted by: Eris, High Wycombe on 6:26pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bonnie-x[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Patony[/bold] wrote: I took my disable mother shopping yesterday, she has to use a frame to get around, we took a slow walk round the Eden Centre and then stopped in Tesco's to do her weekly shop, then to top it all it cost an extra £2.80 parking and this was without stopping for a coffee - we are going to have to re-think shopping in Wycombe - We have supported Wycombe over the past years even whilst the building work has been carried out and now we are getting persecuted.[/quote] we had the same problem the day it first opened, we have shopped at tescos for years and my hubby says hes not going there i wonder how much trade tescos will loose because of it.[/quote] tescos - lose trade!
There is a god.
hopefully they will lose enough and close that eyesore down[/quote] I concur.
That blemish on the face of Wycombe has made our little town a pockmarked monstrosity for long enough.
smokey wrote:
bonnie-x wrote:
Patony wrote: I took my disable mother shopping yesterday, she has to use a frame to get around, we took a slow walk round the Eden Centre and then stopped in Tesco's to do her weekly shop, then to top it all it cost an extra £2.80 parking and this was without stopping for a coffee - we are going to have to re-think shopping in Wycombe - We have supported Wycombe over the past years even whilst the building work has been carried out and now we are getting persecuted.
we had the same problem the day it first opened, we have shopped at tescos for years and my hubby says hes not going there i wonder how much trade tescos will loose because of it.
tescos - lose trade!
There is a god.
hopefully they will lose enough and close that eyesore down
I concur.
That blemish on the face of Wycombe has made our little town a pockmarked monstrosity for long enough.
Posted by: Big Right, Wycombe on 6:30pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Bonnie...Ignore the comments by the ignorant posters...Very few will understand the abusive and offensive nature of their posting until they or one of their family experience disability...Then maybe they will recoil with embarrassment
Bonnie...Ignore the comments by the ignorant posters...Very few will understand the abusive and offensive nature of their posting until they or one of their family experience disability...Then maybe they will recoil with embarrassment
Posted by: bonnie-x, marlow on 6:35pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Eris[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]bonnie-x[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Patony[/bold] wrote: I took my disable mother shopping yesterday, she has to use a frame to get around, we took a slow walk round the Eden Centre and then stopped in Tesco's to do her weekly shop, then to top it all it cost an extra £2.80 parking and this was without stopping for a coffee - we are going to have to re-think shopping in Wycombe - We have supported Wycombe over the past years even whilst the building work has been carried out and now we are getting persecuted.[/quote] we had the same problem the day it first opened, we have shopped at tescos for years and my hubby says hes not going there i wonder how much trade tescos will loose because of it.[/quote] tescos - lose trade! There is a god. hopefully they will lose enough and close that eyesore down[/quote] I concur. That blemish on the face of Wycombe has made our little town a pockmarked monstrosity for long enough.[/quote] a lot of people in the town centre rely on that store.talks of closing tesco's before durh it never happened, tesco'c to stay put....
Eris wrote:
smokey wrote: bonnie-x wrote: Patony wrote: I took my disable mother shopping yesterday, she has to use a frame to get around, we took a slow walk round the Eden Centre and then stopped in Tesco's to do her weekly shop, then to top it all it cost an extra £2.80 parking and this was without stopping for a coffee - we are going to have to re-think shopping in Wycombe - We have supported Wycombe over the past years even whilst the building work has been carried out and now we are getting persecuted.
we had the same problem the day it first opened, we have shopped at tescos for years and my hubby says hes not going there i wonder how much trade tescos will loose because of it.
tescos - lose trade! There is a god. hopefully they will lose enough and close that eyesore down
I concur. That blemish on the face of Wycombe has made our little town a pockmarked monstrosity for long enough.
a lot of people in the town centre rely on that store.talks of closing tesco's before durh it never happened, tesco'c to stay put....
Posted by: bonnie-x, marlow on 6:37pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Big Right[/bold] wrote:
Bonnie...Ignore the comments by the ignorant posters...Very few will understand the abusive and offensive nature of their posting until they or one of their family experience disability...Then maybe they will recoil with embarrassment[/quote] yes they want to careful what they wish for???
Big Right wrote:
Bonnie...Ignore the comments by the ignorant posters...Very few will understand the abusive and offensive nature of their posting until they or one of their family experience disability...Then maybe they will recoil with embarrassment
yes they want to careful what they wish for???
Posted by: bonnie-x, marlow on 6:46pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bonnie-x[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Lol[/bold] wrote: Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way![/quote] I am so glad you said this cos I thought it Many disabled people hold full time jobs - so why should they get free parking? I am not hard but come on you can't have it both ways. yes there should be dsabled spaces - but why shouldn't they pay?[/quote] in fact your wrong alot of people with disabilities do not work and have limited income. lets hope you never have to be disabled too.[/quote] and how on earth do you know that I am not? Hopw do you know that I don't have a disabled loved one? And how do you know that I am not on a limited income? Actually I can only drive an automatic - not a manual OMG - does that make me disabled?[/quote] oh put your dummy in its a debate about disabled parking. how would you define disabled then, the walking death???. perhaps it would be better to load all disabled people on to a disabled bus that picks them up outside their house and takes them everywhere-yes?? just make sure you fit your criteria
smokey wrote:
bonnie-x wrote: smokey wrote: Lol wrote: Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way!
I am so glad you said this cos I thought it Many disabled people hold full time jobs - so why should they get free parking? I am not hard but come on you can't have it both ways. yes there should be dsabled spaces - but why shouldn't they pay?
in fact your wrong alot of people with disabilities do not work and have limited income. lets hope you never have to be disabled too.
and how on earth do you know that I am not? Hopw do you know that I don't have a disabled loved one? And how do you know that I am not on a limited income? Actually I can only drive an automatic - not a manual OMG - does that make me disabled?
oh put your dummy in its a debate about disabled parking. how would you define disabled then, the walking death???. perhaps it would be better to load all disabled people on to a disabled bus that picks them up outside their house and takes them everywhere-yes?? just make sure you fit your criteria
Posted by: smokey, high wycombe on 6:52pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bonnie-x[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]bonnie-x[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Lol[/bold] wrote: Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way![/quote] I am so glad you said this cos I thought it Many disabled people hold full time jobs - so why should they get free parking? I am not hard but come on you can't have it both ways. yes there should be dsabled spaces - but why shouldn't they pay?[/quote] in fact your wrong alot of people with disabilities do not work and have limited income. lets hope you never have to be disabled too.[/quote] and how on earth do you know that I am not? Hopw do you know that I don't have a disabled loved one? And how do you know that I am not on a limited income? Actually I can only drive an automatic - not a manual OMG - does that make me disabled?[/quote] oh put your dummy in its a debate about disabled parking. how would you define disabled then, the walking death???. perhaps it would be better to load all disabled people on to a disabled bus that picks them up outside their house and takes them everywhere-yes?? just make sure you fit your criteria [/quote] stop one minute!
That is insulting and rude
I will not tell you what I do for a job - but I can tell you that there are genuinely disabkled people out there
and there are disabled people who claim to be and are not
Just becasue I challenge your percerptions does not make me childish
bonnie-x wrote:
smokey wrote: bonnie-x wrote: smokey wrote: Lol wrote: Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way!
I am so glad you said this cos I thought it Many disabled people hold full time jobs - so why should they get free parking? I am not hard but come on you can't have it both ways. yes there should be dsabled spaces - but why shouldn't they pay?
in fact your wrong alot of people with disabilities do not work and have limited income. lets hope you never have to be disabled too.
and how on earth do you know that I am not? Hopw do you know that I don't have a disabled loved one? And how do you know that I am not on a limited income? Actually I can only drive an automatic - not a manual OMG - does that make me disabled?
oh put your dummy in its a debate about disabled parking. how would you define disabled then, the walking death???. perhaps it would be better to load all disabled people on to a disabled bus that picks them up outside their house and takes them everywhere-yes?? just make sure you fit your criteria
stop one minute!
That is insulting and rude
I will not tell you what I do for a job - but I can tell you that there are genuinely disabkled people out there
and there are disabled people who claim to be and are not
Just becasue I challenge your percerptions does not make me childish
Posted by: smokey, high wycombe on 6:53pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bonnie-x[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]bonnie-x[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Lol[/bold] wrote: Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way![/quote] I am so glad you said this cos I thought it Many disabled people hold full time jobs - so why should they get free parking? I am not hard but come on you can't have it both ways. yes there should be dsabled spaces - but why shouldn't they pay?[/quote] in fact your wrong alot of people with disabilities do not work and have limited income. lets hope you never have to be disabled too.[/quote] and how on earth do you know that I am not? Hopw do you know that I don't have a disabled loved one? And how do you know that I am not on a limited income? Actually I can only drive an automatic - not a manual OMG - does that make me disabled?[/quote] oh put your dummy in its a debate about disabled parking. how would you define disabled then, the walking death???. perhaps it would be better to load all disabled people on to a disabled bus that picks them up outside their house and takes them everywhere-yes?? just make sure you fit your criteria [/quote] stop one minute! That is insulting and rude I will not tell you what I do for a job - but I can tell you that there are genuinely disabkled people out there and there are disabled people who claim to be and are not Just becasue I challenge your percerptions does not make me childish [/quote] and you really need to learn to debate properly without getting rude
I have never once said anything defamatory about genuinely disabled people - it is just that the blue badge has a wide criteria and why, if a person has a reasonable income, shouldn't they pay?
smokey wrote:
bonnie-x wrote: smokey wrote: bonnie-x wrote: smokey wrote: Lol wrote: Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way!
I am so glad you said this cos I thought it Many disabled people hold full time jobs - so why should they get free parking? I am not hard but come on you can't have it both ways. yes there should be dsabled spaces - but why shouldn't they pay?
in fact your wrong alot of people with disabilities do not work and have limited income. lets hope you never have to be disabled too.
and how on earth do you know that I am not? Hopw do you know that I don't have a disabled loved one? And how do you know that I am not on a limited income? Actually I can only drive an automatic - not a manual OMG - does that make me disabled?
oh put your dummy in its a debate about disabled parking. how would you define disabled then, the walking death???. perhaps it would be better to load all disabled people on to a disabled bus that picks them up outside their house and takes them everywhere-yes?? just make sure you fit your criteria
stop one minute! That is insulting and rude I will not tell you what I do for a job - but I can tell you that there are genuinely disabkled people out there and there are disabled people who claim to be and are not Just becasue I challenge your percerptions does not make me childish
and you really need to learn to debate properly without getting rude
I have never once said anything defamatory about genuinely disabled people - it is just that the blue badge has a wide criteria and why, if a person has a reasonable income, shouldn't they pay?
Posted by: Eris, High Wycombe on 6:54pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote]oh put your dummy in its a debate about disabled parking. how would you define disabled then, the walking death???. perhaps it would be better to load all disabled people on to a disabled bus that picks them up outside their house and takes them everywhere-yes?? just make sure you fit your criteria[/quote]
Ok, you are being rather rude, there is no call for that.
And actually, there is such a scheme in this area. And feedback from the users is positive. It's called Assisted Shopping.
oh put your dummy in its a debate about disabled parking. how would you define disabled then, the walking death???. perhaps it would be better to load all disabled people on to a disabled bus that picks them up outside their house and takes them everywhere-yes?? just make sure you fit your criteria
Ok, you are being rather rude, there is no call for that.
And actually, there is such a scheme in this area. And feedback from the users is positive. It's called Assisted Shopping.
Posted by: George - Wycombe on 8:00pm Thu 20 Mar 08
If the car park is privately owned, those owners must have paid for it's construction and the land it stands on OR did they, a journalist should he assigned to look into the whole sorry mess that is the Eden project, that £300 million should be broken down so the ratepayers know where every pound was or was not spent.
EDEN IS THE MESS MANY OF US SAID IT WOULD BE.
If the car park is privately owned, those owners must have paid for it's construction and the land it stands on OR did they, a journalist should he assigned to look into the whole sorry mess that is the Eden project, that £300 million should be broken down so the ratepayers know where every pound was or was not spent.
EDEN IS THE MESS MANY OF US SAID IT WOULD BE.
Posted by: Eris, High Wycombe on 8:16pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]George - Wycombe[/bold] wrote:
If the car park is privately owned, those owners must have paid for it's construction and the land it stands on OR did they, a journalist should he assigned to look into the whole sorry mess that is the Eden project, that £300 million should be broken down so the ratepayers know where every pound was or was not spent.
EDEN IS THE MESS MANY OF US SAID IT WOULD BE.[/quote] Oh do stop being so negative.
Eden is not a mess.
Like all new ventures, there are kinks to work out. But I have been there a number of times, and it has been splendid. Everyone has been so happy, and I can't count the number of times I heard 'I can't believe this is Wycombe!'
It's a shame that people feel the need to slander a project which is making a lot of people happy.
George - Wycombe wrote:
If the car park is privately owned, those owners must have paid for it's construction and the land it stands on OR did they, a journalist should he assigned to look into the whole sorry mess that is the Eden project, that £300 million should be broken down so the ratepayers know where every pound was or was not spent.
EDEN IS THE MESS MANY OF US SAID IT WOULD BE.
Oh do stop being so negative.
Eden is not a mess.
Like all new ventures, there are kinks to work out. But I have been there a number of times, and it has been splendid. Everyone has been so happy, and I can't count the number of times I heard 'I can't believe this is Wycombe!'
It's a shame that people feel the need to slander a project which is making a lot of people happy.
Posted by: Ivor on 8:22pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][italic]Eris, High Wycombe on 8:16pm :[/italic]
I can't believe this is Wycombe![/quote]
I can’t believe it either. For £300m what have we got? A “street with a roof on it”. I just can’t believe that such a wonderful opportunity to deliver a spectacular shopping experience to the people on Wycombe could have ended up this way. The money was wasted.
[bold]Today I went to the new department store to buy a light bulb. Do you think they sell them? Read my blog to find out.[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Eris, High Wycombe on 8:16pm :
I can't believe this is Wycombe!
I can’t believe it either. For £300m what have we got? A “street with a roof on it”. I just can’t believe that such a wonderful opportunity to deliver a spectacular shopping experience to the people on Wycombe could have ended up this way. The money was wasted.
Today I went to the new department store to buy a light bulb. Do you think they sell them? Read my blog to find out. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: smokey, high wycombe on 8:29pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Ivor[/bold] wrote:
[quote][italic]Eris, High Wycombe on 8:16pm :[/italic] I can't believe this is Wycombe![/quote] I can’t believe it either. For £300m what have we got? A “street with a roof on it”. I just can’t believe that such a wonderful opportunity to deliver a spectacular shopping experience to the people on Wycombe could have ended up this way. The money was wasted. [bold]Today I went to the new department store to buy a light bulb. Do you think they sell them? Read my blog to find out.[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.[/quote] but you can but a light bulb as part of your weekend shopping at any supermarket!
Ivor - House of Fraser has never sold light bulbs
get a grip - theres a boy.
Ivor wrote:
Eris, High Wycombe on 8:16pm : I can't believe this is Wycombe!
I can’t believe it either. For £300m what have we got? A “street with a roof on it”. I just can’t believe that such a wonderful opportunity to deliver a spectacular shopping experience to the people on Wycombe could have ended up this way. The money was wasted. Today I went to the new department store to buy a light bulb. Do you think they sell them? Read my blog to find out. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
but you can but a light bulb as part of your weekend shopping at any supermarket!
Ivor - House of Fraser has never sold light bulbs
get a grip - theres a boy.
Posted by: Eris, High Wycombe on 8:36pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I think they should sell designer lightbulbs. You turn the light on and it projects 'Karen Milan' on the floor
I think they should sell designer lightbulbs. You turn the light on and it projects 'Karen Milan' on the floor
Posted by: Ivor on 8:40pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Ivor[/bold] wrote: [quote][italic]Eris, High Wycombe on 8:16pm :[/italic] I can't believe this is Wycombe![/quote] I can’t believe it either. For £300m what have we got? A “street with a roof on it”. I just can’t believe that such a wonderful opportunity to deliver a spectacular shopping experience to the people on Wycombe could have ended up this way. The money was wasted. [bold]Today I went to the new department store to buy a light bulb. Do you think they sell them? Read my blog to find out.[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.[/quote] but you can but a light bulb as part of your weekend shopping at any supermarket! Ivor - House of Fraser has never sold light bulbs get a grip - theres a boy.[/quote] Most of the major department stores on Oxford Street sell them!
smokey wrote:
Ivor wrote: Eris, High Wycombe on 8:16pm : I can't believe this is Wycombe!
I can’t believe it either. For £300m what have we got? A “street with a roof on it”. I just can’t believe that such a wonderful opportunity to deliver a spectacular shopping experience to the people on Wycombe could have ended up this way. The money was wasted. Today I went to the new department store to buy a light bulb. Do you think they sell them? Read my blog to find out. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
but you can but a light bulb as part of your weekend shopping at any supermarket! Ivor - House of Fraser has never sold light bulbs get a grip - theres a boy.
Most of the major department stores on Oxford Street sell them!
Posted by: bonnie-x, marlow on 9:31pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Eris[/bold] wrote:
[quote]oh put your dummy in its a debate about disabled parking. how would you define disabled then, the walking death???. perhaps it would be better to load all disabled people on to a disabled bus that picks them up outside their house and takes them everywhere-yes?? just make sure you fit your criteria[/quote] Ok, you are being rather rude, there is no call for that. And actually, there is such a scheme in this area. And feedback from the users is positive. It's called Assisted Shopping.[/quote] i was actually referring to smokey but if you feel the need to join in then take the critisim. i'm on the side of the disabled drivers. i was trying to make a point that all disabled drivers or with badges can not be put into stereotypical categories, one being like he said in a wheel chair.not all disabled people are old. he got stroppy with me.sorry if it offended you too.
Eris wrote:
oh put your dummy in its a debate about disabled parking. how would you define disabled then, the walking death???. perhaps it would be better to load all disabled people on to a disabled bus that picks them up outside their house and takes them everywhere-yes?? just make sure you fit your criteria
Ok, you are being rather rude, there is no call for that. And actually, there is such a scheme in this area. And feedback from the users is positive. It's called Assisted Shopping.
i was actually referring to smokey but if you feel the need to join in then take the critisim. i'm on the side of the disabled drivers. i was trying to make a point that all disabled drivers or with badges can not be put into stereotypical categories, one being like he said in a wheel chair.not all disabled people are old. he got stroppy with me.sorry if it offended you too.
Posted by: bonnie-x, marlow on 9:34pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Ivor[/bold] wrote: [quote][italic]Eris, High Wycombe on 8:16pm :[/italic] I can't believe this is Wycombe![/quote] I can’t believe it either. For £300m what have we got? A “street with a roof on it”. I just can’t believe that such a wonderful opportunity to deliver a spectacular shopping experience to the people on Wycombe could have ended up this way. The money was wasted. [bold]Today I went to the new department store to buy a light bulb. Do you think they sell them? Read my blog to find out.[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.[/quote] but you can but a light bulb as part of your weekend shopping at any supermarket! Ivor - House of Fraser has never sold light bulbs get a grip - theres a boy.[/quote] if tescos still satys you can get one there, and online you can have it delivered
smokey wrote:
Ivor wrote: Eris, High Wycombe on 8:16pm : I can't believe this is Wycombe!
I can’t believe it either. For £300m what have we got? A “street with a roof on it”. I just can’t believe that such a wonderful opportunity to deliver a spectacular shopping experience to the people on Wycombe could have ended up this way. The money was wasted. Today I went to the new department store to buy a light bulb. Do you think they sell them? Read my blog to find out. Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
but you can but a light bulb as part of your weekend shopping at any supermarket! Ivor - House of Fraser has never sold light bulbs get a grip - theres a boy.
if tescos still satys you can get one there, and online you can have it delivered
Posted by: Eris, High Wycombe on 9:36pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]bonnie-x[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Eris[/bold] wrote:
[quote]oh put your dummy in its a debate about disabled parking. how would you define disabled then, the walking death???. perhaps it would be better to load all disabled people on to a disabled bus that picks them up outside their house and takes them everywhere-yes?? just make sure you fit your criteria[/quote] Ok, you are being rather rude, there is no call for that. And actually, there is such a scheme in this area. And feedback from the users is positive. It's called Assisted Shopping.[/quote] i was actually referring to smokey but if you feel the need to join in then take the critisim. i'm on the side of the disabled drivers. i was trying to make a point that all disabled drivers or with badges can not be put into stereotypical categories, one being like he said in a wheel chair.not all disabled people are old. he got stroppy with me.sorry if it offended you too.[/quote] smokey is a she. Just so you know.
And I weighed in with a legitimate point that your 'derogatory' suggestion about how disabled people should be treated is actually a scheme that works well.
And I don't like rudeness, regardless of who it is directed towards.
I have a lot to do with disabled people, so I do know what i am talking about. There are stereotypes, yes, but there are also disabled people who should pay for parking, which is what this 'debate' is essentially about.
bonnie-x wrote:
Eris wrote:
oh put your dummy in its a debate about disabled parking. how would you define disabled then, the walking death???. perhaps it would be better to load all disabled people on to a disabled bus that picks them up outside their house and takes them everywhere-yes?? just make sure you fit your criteria
Ok, you are being rather rude, there is no call for that. And actually, there is such a scheme in this area. And feedback from the users is positive. It's called Assisted Shopping.
i was actually referring to smokey but if you feel the need to join in then take the critisim. i'm on the side of the disabled drivers. i was trying to make a point that all disabled drivers or with badges can not be put into stereotypical categories, one being like he said in a wheel chair.not all disabled people are old. he got stroppy with me.sorry if it offended you too.
smokey is a she. Just so you know.
And I weighed in with a legitimate point that your 'derogatory' suggestion about how disabled people should be treated is actually a scheme that works well.
And I don't like rudeness, regardless of who it is directed towards.
I have a lot to do with disabled people, so I do know what i am talking about. There are stereotypes, yes, but there are also disabled people who should pay for parking, which is what this 'debate' is essentially about.
Posted by: bonnie-x, marlow on 9:43pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bonnie-x[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]bonnie-x[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]smokey[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Lol[/bold] wrote: Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way![/quote] I am so glad you said this cos I thought it Many disabled people hold full time jobs - so why should they get free parking? I am not hard but come on you can't have it both ways. yes there should be dsabled spaces - but why shouldn't they pay?[/quote] in fact your wrong alot of people with disabilities do not work and have limited income. lets hope you never have to be disabled too.[/quote] and how on earth do you know that I am not? Hopw do you know that I don't have a disabled loved one? And how do you know that I am not on a limited income? Actually I can only drive an automatic - not a manual OMG - does that make me disabled?[/quote] oh put your dummy in its a debate about disabled parking. how would you define disabled then, the walking death???. perhaps it would be better to load all disabled people on to a disabled bus that picks them up outside their house and takes them everywhere-yes?? just make sure you fit your criteria [/quote] stop one minute! That is insulting and rude I will not tell you what I do for a job - but I can tell you that there are genuinely disabkled people out there and there are disabled people who claim to be and are not Just becasue I challenge your percerptions does not make me childish [/quote] a fair comment you were after all getting personal towards me, and challenging me. omg and i disabled because i drive an automatic!!!!now that was silly???
does it matter what you do for a job.not interested. my husband is a genuine disabled person as you put it and we face dicrimination from other people all the time,disabled in his thirtys. too young for the norm,as some would put it. i suppose this topic is a little sentiment to me, i apologise if i have been rude as you put it.
smokey wrote:
bonnie-x wrote: smokey wrote: bonnie-x wrote: smokey wrote: Lol wrote: Disabled folk make me laugh, every thing depends on when it suits them. They want to be treated like 'normal' people but winge and moan when it doesnt go their way!
I am so glad you said this cos I thought it Many disabled people hold full time jobs - so why should they get free parking? I am not hard but come on you can't have it both ways. yes there should be dsabled spaces - but why shouldn't they pay?
in fact your wrong alot of people with disabilities do not work and have limited income. lets hope you never have to be disabled too.
and how on earth do you know that I am not? Hopw do you know that I don't have a disabled loved one? And how do you know that I am not on a limited income? Actually I can only drive an automatic - not a manual OMG - does that make me disabled?
oh put your dummy in its a debate about disabled parking. how would you define disabled then, the walking death???. perhaps it would be better to load all disabled people on to a disabled bus that picks them up outside their house and takes them everywhere-yes?? just make sure you fit your criteria
stop one minute! That is insulting and rude I will not tell you what I do for a job - but I can tell you that there are genuinely disabkled people out there and there are disabled people who claim to be and are not Just becasue I challenge your percerptions does not make me childish
a fair comment you were after all getting personal towards me, and challenging me. omg and i disabled because i drive an automatic!!!!now that was silly???
does it matter what you do for a job.not interested. my husband is a genuine disabled person as you put it and we face dicrimination from other people all the time,disabled in his thirtys. too young for the norm,as some would put it. i suppose this topic is a little sentiment to me, i apologise if i have been rude as you put it.
Posted by: bonnie-x, marlow on 9:48pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Eris[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]bonnie-x[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Eris[/bold] wrote: [quote]oh put your dummy in its a debate about disabled parking. how would you define disabled then, the walking death???. perhaps it would be better to load all disabled people on to a disabled bus that picks them up outside their house and takes them everywhere-yes?? just make sure you fit your criteria[/quote] Ok, you are being rather rude, there is no call for that. And actually, there is such a scheme in this area. And feedback from the users is positive. It's called Assisted Shopping.[/quote] i was actually referring to smokey but if you feel the need to join in then take the critisim. i'm on the side of the disabled drivers. i was trying to make a point that all disabled drivers or with badges can not be put into stereotypical categories, one being like he said in a wheel chair.not all disabled people are old. he got stroppy with me.sorry if it offended you too.[/quote] smokey is a she. Just so you know. And I weighed in with a legitimate point that your 'derogatory' suggestion about how disabled people should be treated is actually a scheme that works well. And I don't like rudeness, regardless of who it is directed towards. I have a lot to do with disabled people, so I do know what i am talking about. There are stereotypes, yes, but there are also disabled people who should pay for parking, which is what this 'debate' is essentially about.[/quote] your missing the point she was rude to me. if you read my last comment to her you will understand, yes there are stereotypes, thats my point, some are in more need of badges than others, some work yes, so maybe it should be in some ways be means tested for parking fairs. but i guess that would be a whole new debate. i apologise to you to if i offended, or dared to challenge you
Eris wrote:
bonnie-x wrote: Eris wrote: oh put your dummy in its a debate about disabled parking. how would you define disabled then, the walking death???. perhaps it would be better to load all disabled people on to a disabled bus that picks them up outside their house and takes them everywhere-yes?? just make sure you fit your criteria
Ok, you are being rather rude, there is no call for that. And actually, there is such a scheme in this area. And feedback from the users is positive. It's called Assisted Shopping.
i was actually referring to smokey but if you feel the need to join in then take the critisim. i'm on the side of the disabled drivers. i was trying to make a point that all disabled drivers or with badges can not be put into stereotypical categories, one being like he said in a wheel chair.not all disabled people are old. he got stroppy with me.sorry if it offended you too.
smokey is a she. Just so you know. And I weighed in with a legitimate point that your 'derogatory' suggestion about how disabled people should be treated is actually a scheme that works well. And I don't like rudeness, regardless of who it is directed towards. I have a lot to do with disabled people, so I do know what i am talking about. There are stereotypes, yes, but there are also disabled people who should pay for parking, which is what this 'debate' is essentially about.
your missing the point she was rude to me. if you read my last comment to her you will understand, yes there are stereotypes, thats my point, some are in more need of badges than others, some work yes, so maybe it should be in some ways be means tested for parking fairs. but i guess that would be a whole new debate. i apologise to you to if i offended, or dared to challenge you
Posted by: *Username, High Wycombe on 9:55pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I think disabled people should pay just like umemployed/single parents pay.
My brother who's 43 btw is physically disabled and my dad has no disable badge for him. My brother can't read or write so there's no way he will ever drive. So therefore they always pay!
I think disabled people should pay just like umemployed/single parents pay.
My brother who's 43 btw is physically disabled and my dad has no disable badge for him. My brother can't read or write so there's no way he will ever drive. So therefore they always pay!
Posted by: bonnie-x, marlow on 10:04pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]*Username[/bold] wrote:
I think disabled people should pay just like umemployed/single parents pay. My brother who's 43 btw is physically disabled and my dad has no disable badge for him. My brother can't read or write so there's no way he will ever drive. So therefore they always pay![/quote] yes but he can apply for one if necessary,
*Username wrote:
I think disabled people should pay just like umemployed/single parents pay. My brother who's 43 btw is physically disabled and my dad has no disable badge for him. My brother can't read or write so there's no way he will ever drive. So therefore they always pay!
yes but he can apply for one if necessary,
Posted by: *Username, High Wycombe on 10:10pm Thu 20 Mar 08
He's been turned down once, for what reason only they know! So he hasn't bothered again! My brother just uses public transport...but he's always falling down and hurting himself.
He's been turned down once, for what reason only they know! So he hasn't bothered again! My brother just uses public transport...but he's always falling down and hurting himself.
Posted by: Trefor, Out standing in my field on 10:19pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I agree that adequate, convenient parking should be made available for disabled badge holders. However, being disabled does not necessarily equate to being less wealthy. I see no reason why a blue badge holder has any more right to free parking than someone on income support. Remember, blue badge holders can already park on yellow lines as long as they are not causing an obstruction.
I agree that adequate, convenient parking should be made available for disabled badge holders. However, being disabled does not necessarily equate to being less wealthy. I see no reason why a blue badge holder has any more right to free parking than someone on income support. Remember, blue badge holders can already park on yellow lines as long as they are not causing an obstruction.
Posted by: bonnie-x, marlow on 10:20pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]*Username[/bold] wrote:
He's been turned down once, for what reason only they know! So he hasn't bothered again! My brother just uses public transport...but he's always falling down and hurting himself.[/quote] it seems many that surely need it are not getting it and some that don't need it get it wheres the justice in that. unfortunately people who are abusing the system get away with it, which stereo types all the ones in geniune need.
*Username wrote:
He's been turned down once, for what reason only they know! So he hasn't bothered again! My brother just uses public transport...but he's always falling down and hurting himself.
it seems many that surely need it are not getting it and some that don't need it get it wheres the justice in that. unfortunately people who are abusing the system get away with it, which stereo types all the ones in geniune need.
Posted by: Trefor, Out standing in my field on 10:24pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Regarding the thread above - my mother was an Occupational Therapist, so I grew up around disabled people. Most deserved their badge in those days (the days or those weird 3 wheeler cars).
However, there are many nowadays who do not need a badge - my Aunt is an example. She even got a motability car and a parking bay marked off outside her house. She is nowhere near in need of the blue badge. People like her cause a bad reputation for the rest who really do need help.
Regarding the thread above - my mother was an Occupational Therapist, so I grew up around disabled people. Most deserved their badge in those days (the days or those weird 3 wheeler cars).
However, there are many nowadays who do not need a badge - my Aunt is an example. She even got a motability car and a parking bay marked off outside her house. She is nowhere near in need of the blue badge. People like her cause a bad reputation for the rest who really do need help.
Posted by: bonnie-x, marlow on 10:32pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Trefor[/bold] wrote:
Regarding the thread above - my mother was an Occupational Therapist, so I grew up around disabled people. Most deserved their badge in those days (the days or those weird 3 wheeler cars). However, there are many nowadays who do not need a badge - my Aunt is an example. She even got a motability car and a parking bay marked off outside her house. She is nowhere near in need of the blue badge. People like her cause a bad reputation for the rest who really do need help.[/quote] yes i couldn't agree more. i don't think people would have a problem if the parking was free for severly disabled people, but because like you said there is an abuse of the system, unfortunately they get catergorised don't they as being "the same"
Trefor wrote:
Regarding the thread above - my mother was an Occupational Therapist, so I grew up around disabled people. Most deserved their badge in those days (the days or those weird 3 wheeler cars). However, there are many nowadays who do not need a badge - my Aunt is an example. She even got a motability car and a parking bay marked off outside her house. She is nowhere near in need of the blue badge. People like her cause a bad reputation for the rest who really do need help.
yes i couldn't agree more. i don't think people would have a problem if the parking was free for severly disabled people, but because like you said there is an abuse of the system, unfortunately they get catergorised don't they as being "the same"
Posted by: Shelley, HIGH WYCOMBE on 11:01pm Thu 20 Mar 08
I understand a lot of the comments of "why shouldn't disabled people pay", but on the other hand, as the sister of a severly disabled person with a mental age of 18 months, but a physical age of 26 years, there are some people for whom public transport simply isn't an option.
It is these people that free disabled parking was designed for... let's face it - a car is a luxury, but for people with the most severe disabilities it is an absolute necessity... They don't have the option to avoid parking charges by walking, or getting public transport.
The problem with the current system of blue badges is that there is no distinction of disability... you'll see someone with a blue badge who is perfectly capable of walking unaided, but they are entitled to free parking...
The only solution would be to introduce a tiered system of blue badges... who is more disabled than another? But, if I were disabled I don't think I'd take too kindly to being "graded" and labelled as more or less disabled than another...
It's a sensitive subject and unfortunately not one where there's ever going to be a definitive right or wrong answer...
And unfortunately there will always be people that will abuse the system, giving the rest of us genuine blue badge holders a bad name... It is probably because of their misuse of the badges that companies are reluctant to give free parking to the disabled, as (some would say, quite rightly) they see they're being taken for mugs...
I understand a lot of the comments of "why shouldn't disabled people pay", but on the other hand, as the sister of a severly disabled person with a mental age of 18 months, but a physical age of 26 years, there are some people for whom public transport simply isn't an option.
It is these people that free disabled parking was designed for... let's face it - a car is a luxury, but for people with the most severe disabilities it is an absolute necessity... They don't have the option to avoid parking charges by walking, or getting public transport.
The problem with the current system of blue badges is that there is no distinction of disability... you'll see someone with a blue badge who is perfectly capable of walking unaided, but they are entitled to free parking...
The only solution would be to introduce a tiered system of blue badges... who is more disabled than another? But, if I were disabled I don't think I'd take too kindly to being "graded" and labelled as more or less disabled than another...
It's a sensitive subject and unfortunately not one where there's ever going to be a definitive right or wrong answer...
And unfortunately there will always be people that will abuse the system, giving the rest of us genuine blue badge holders a bad name... It is probably because of their misuse of the badges that companies are reluctant to give free parking to the disabled, as (some would say, quite rightly) they see they're being taken for mugs...
Posted by: bonnie-x, marlow on 11:47pm Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Shelley[/bold] wrote:
I understand a lot of the comments of "why shouldn't disabled people pay", but on the other hand, as the sister of a severly disabled person with a mental age of 18 months, but a physical age of 26 years, there are some people for whom public transport simply isn't an option. It is these people that free disabled parking was designed for... let's face it - a car is a luxury, but for people with the most severe disabilities it is an absolute necessity... They don't have the option to avoid parking charges by walking, or getting public transport. The problem with the current system of blue badges is that there is no distinction of disability... you'll see someone with a blue badge who is perfectly capable of walking unaided, but they are entitled to free parking... The only solution would be to introduce a tiered system of blue badges... who is more disabled than another? But, if I were disabled I don't think I'd take too kindly to being "graded" and labelled as more or less disabled than another... It's a sensitive subject and unfortunately not one where there's ever going to be a definitive right or wrong answer... And unfortunately there will always be people that will abuse the system, giving the rest of us genuine blue badge holders a bad name... It is probably because of their misuse of the badges that companies are reluctant to give free parking to the disabled, as (some would say, quite rightly) they see they're being taken for mugs...[/quote] i couldn't agree more,which is why its a hard subject to debate on either side.
Shelley wrote:
I understand a lot of the comments of "why shouldn't disabled people pay", but on the other hand, as the sister of a severly disabled person with a mental age of 18 months, but a physical age of 26 years, there are some people for whom public transport simply isn't an option. It is these people that free disabled parking was designed for... let's face it - a car is a luxury, but for people with the most severe disabilities it is an absolute necessity... They don't have the option to avoid parking charges by walking, or getting public transport. The problem with the current system of blue badges is that there is no distinction of disability... you'll see someone with a blue badge who is perfectly capable of walking unaided, but they are entitled to free parking... The only solution would be to introduce a tiered system of blue badges... who is more disabled than another? But, if I were disabled I don't think I'd take too kindly to being "graded" and labelled as more or less disabled than another... It's a sensitive subject and unfortunately not one where there's ever going to be a definitive right or wrong answer... And unfortunately there will always be people that will abuse the system, giving the rest of us genuine blue badge holders a bad name... It is probably because of their misuse of the badges that companies are reluctant to give free parking to the disabled, as (some would say, quite rightly) they see they're being taken for mugs...
i couldn't agree more,which is why its a hard subject to debate on either side.
Posted by: Merge in Turn on 12:16am Fri 21 Mar 08
Well that's the 50 up - can we make it to a century?
Well that's the 50 up - can we make it to a century?
Posted by: Mario, Bucks on 11:25am Fri 21 Mar 08
Mmhhh, this debate is warming up quite nicely isn't it?
UK plc is now supporting 3 million people on incapacity benefit double the rates you will see in any other EU country!
Any civilised country must protect those in need but at the same time every citizen in that country has an absolute obligation to work if they can.
Would any poster like to suggest what can be done to reduce the 3m number?
Mmhhh, this debate is warming up quite nicely isn't it?
UK plc is now supporting 3 million people on incapacity benefit double the rates you will see in any other EU country!
Any civilised country must protect those in need but at the same time every citizen in that country has an absolute obligation to work if they can.
Would any poster like to suggest what can be done to reduce the 3m number?
Posted by: Steve, Totteridge Hill on 11:42am Fri 21 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Mario[/bold] wrote:
Mmhhh, this debate is warming up quite nicely isn't it? UK plc is now supporting 3 million people on incapacity benefit double the rates you will see in any other EU country! Any civilised country must protect those in need but at the same time every citizen in that country has an absolute obligation to work if they can. Would any poster like to suggest what can be done to reduce the 3m number?[/quote] How about changing the label "Can't work because of ill heath" to " Sponger"?
It seems the government doesn't like the idea of labelling them as unemployed...or how about unemployable?
Mario wrote:
Mmhhh, this debate is warming up quite nicely isn't it? UK plc is now supporting 3 million people on incapacity benefit double the rates you will see in any other EU country! Any civilised country must protect those in need but at the same time every citizen in that country has an absolute obligation to work if they can. Would any poster like to suggest what can be done to reduce the 3m number?
How about changing the label "Can't work because of ill heath" to " Sponger"?
It seems the government doesn't like the idea of labelling them as unemployed...or how about unemployable?
Posted by: bonnie-x, marlow on 2:00pm Fri 21 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Steve[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Mario[/bold] wrote: Mmhhh, this debate is warming up quite nicely isn't it? UK plc is now supporting 3 million people on incapacity benefit double the rates you will see in any other EU country! Any civilised country must protect those in need but at the same time every citizen in that country has an absolute obligation to work if they can. Would any poster like to suggest what can be done to reduce the 3m number?[/quote] How about changing the label "Can't work because of ill heath" to " Sponger"? It seems the government doesn't like the idea of labelling them as unemployed...or how about unemployable?[/quote] here we go again, stereotyping, not all incapacity benefit claims are spongers, some are geniune cases in need of help, and are severly disabled. perhaps there should be differnt catorgories, i agree with that, like shelly said previously there are some that abuse the system,(not all) perhaps if anyone knows one they should report them. we can all moan about them but does nyone really do anything about it , not always.
Steve wrote:
Mario wrote: Mmhhh, this debate is warming up quite nicely isn't it? UK plc is now supporting 3 million people on incapacity benefit double the rates you will see in any other EU country! Any civilised country must protect those in need
