Former Mayor: 'Arriva contract should be revoked' (From Bucks Free Press)

they are getting really bad. About a month a go the driver of a bus I was on refused a Support Dog on!

I'm afraid it is the sign of the times. I Remember when it was "The Beeline" , Their buses were rarely cancelled and the route in question was the 317 every 20 min's to B End and once an hour to Maidenhead. Mind you drivers were grumpy then as well.

I think it's about time we got rid of buses from Wycombe. They seem to attract the wrong type of people. There is a reliable taxi service people can use if they are unable to drive. Remove all bus services from the Wycombe area and within a year, Wycombe will be much improved.

Marmite XO wrote:
I think it's about time we got rid of buses from Wycombe. They seem to attract the wrong type of people. There is a reliable taxi service people can use if they are unable to drive. Remove all bus services from the Wycombe area and within a year, Wycombe will be much improved.

Marmite you seem to have a problem with people in general, do you walk around with your head up your backside permanently, on buses you get all sorts of people from walks of life,

As people have told you before on here people rely on buses, as some cannot afford taxi's or own a car, people who prefer to use public transport and leave the car at home, people who stick up fro green issues,

but I do agree buses do not need vermin people like yourself on buses as you are more likely leave a stench after you been sat down on one of the seats

As I see it, Arriva High Wycombe, have a fleet of buses which includes a high proportion of old buses which are often subject to breakdowns which cause delays and frustration for everybody involved! Roadworks and traffic problems cause further delays beyond the control of the driver or the operating company. The schedules, as I understand it, are drawn up months in advance and drivers often drive many different routes in the course of a duty so if they are delayed on a route this can have a knock on effect for subsequent routes on their duty rota and cause delays for drivers waiting to pick up their bus on other routes.

There is something called "conditions of carriage" and of course "health and safety". It would be very usful if Arriva would arrange for all their staff to sing from the same sheet which might also help eleviate the problem of grumpy drivers and stroppy customers!

If the support dog was clearly indentfiiable as a support dog, then, as I understand it, the driver should carry the passenger with the dog. If this was the case, complain to the company. Other dogs, under the terms, are carried at the driver's discretion and the driver has the right to refuse passage. The consumption of food or drink on the bus is not allowed, so somebody carrying a mug of coffee, all be it with a lid, cannot expect to be carried on the bus although apparently some drivers will turn a blind eye. The use of the disabled facilities on the bus apparently can also cause problems - is it there to store shopping trollies, baby buggies, bags of shopping or for the use of disabled passengers who may wish to board the bus along the route? The aisles on the bus should be kept clear therefore not obstructed with bags, shopping trollies, buggies or the odd Rotweiller and under Health and Safety, as a passenger, I would expect the driver to enforce this. As stated, some drivers bend the rules or turn a blind eye, others work to the book and upset customers who have previously been allowed to do these things.

I am not employed by Arriva and nor are any of my friends or relatives, but as a passenger, I do see that there are different aspects to the story. There are no doubt, miserable bus drivers and sometimes stroppy, unreasonable and even abusive customers.

"As people have told you before on here people rely on buses, as some cannot afford taxi's or own a car, people who prefer to use public transport and leave the car at home, people who stick up fro green issues,"

These are the type of people who will improve Wycombe if they leave.

Stevet123 do not be afraid of using correct punctuation you illiterate fool.

Now who was it that decided buses, trains and all other forms of 'public' transport were better in the hands of private enterprise? I remember, it was Paul Lambourne's political mistress, Margaret Thatcher. Reaping the benefits now, Paul?

david1992 wrote:
they are getting really bad. About a month a go the driver of a bus I was on refused a Support Dog on!

If the support dog was clearly indentfiiable as a support dog, then, as I understand it, the driver should carry the you with the dog. If this was the case, complain to the company.

I agree with Marmite. I was unfortunate enough to be next to a bus earlier this week when it opened it's doors and some of the undesirables got off. The putrid waft of urine and charity shop clothes that surrounded me was literallly overwhelming. Let's fill Wycombe's buses full of these awful people and send me them on a one way journey past the city limits, never to return.

Clean up Wycombe - ban all buses. If people can't afford taxis or to own a car then they are no worth to our community. Let's get them out and swap them for people who can.

In Greece, one commentator noted that with the cost of running the railways, it would be cheaper to scrap them and allow the state to pay for travellers to use taxis. Perhaps that sort of analysis needs to be done in High Wycombe. Would it be cheaper for Bucks County Council to scrap the buses and pay the taxi fares for all travellers?

Voyeur wrote:
In Greece, one commentator noted that with the cost of running the railways, it would be cheaper to scrap them and allow the state to pay for travellers to use taxis. Perhaps that sort of analysis needs to be done in High Wycombe. Would it be cheaper for Bucks County Council to scrap the buses and pay the taxi fares for all travellers?

Or would it be cheaper to scrap the buses and start moving the undesireables out of Wycombe and into other towns and cities? Imagine the double boost to Wycombe's flagging economy. This form of 'human pollution' is a blight on the community, and this really seems to be a perfect opportunity to make a difference. If you can't afford a taxi fare then you are surely stealing to feed your drug habit.

Arriva has been the worst by far bus company to operate in Wycombe, i waited for a bus a few weeks ago, surprise surprise it didn't turn up, i asked at the Arriva office in the bus station, and all i got was a load of scarcasm, from a driver, who had piercings all over his face, strip Arriva of its contract, the sooner the better, we are all encouraged to use public transport, but when the public transport is old, untrustworthy, why should we?

the sooner they go, the better.

I love using the Carousel bus services around Wycombe. Their buses are modern, clean, well serviced and very reliable. Combine that with drivers who are polite, welcoming, smartly dressed, drive with passenger consideration and flexibility in mind, and you have a recipe for success. They have transformed the 580 service, for example, making it extremely punctual and a real benefit to the community it serves. Passengers can use the Nextbus app on their smartphones to see exactly when the buses are due to arrive. Over the past year, and I use Carousel almost daily, their reliability has been about 98%. They seem keen to expand now they're part of the GoAhead Group. When they take over existing routes things rapidly improve. Arriva have modern fleets in other towns and cities. If the Wycombe fleet is not modernised soon I can see the customer focussed Carousel Group expanding even more rapidly.

As Mr Lambourne should know, Arriva does not require a contract from the County Council for routes like the 37 that don't require a subsidy Deregulation (Con, 1986) gave bus companies the freedom to run services when and where they wish - and local authorities powers are limited to those routes that cannot be run without subsidy.

The power to deal with unreliable operators is vested in the Traffic Commissioner.

Carouselfan wrote:
I love using the Carousel bus services around Wycombe. Their buses are modern, clean, well serviced and very reliable. Combine that with drivers who are polite, welcoming, smartly dressed, drive with passenger consideration and flexibility in mind, and you have a recipe for success. They have transformed the 580 service, for example, making it extremely punctual and a real benefit to the community it serves. Passengers can use the Nextbus app on their smartphones to see exactly when the buses are due to arrive. Over the past year, and I use Carousel almost daily, their reliability has been about 98%. They seem keen to expand now they're part of the GoAhead Group. When they take over existing routes things rapidly improve. Arriva have modern fleets in other towns and cities. If the Wycombe fleet is not modernised soon I can see the customer focussed Carousel Group expanding even more rapidly.

Modern buses, well mainaited, sensible schedules, fewer town routes, smart uniform (helps improve self-esteem), a good recipe for happy drivers and customers and an efficient service. Common sense really! Perhaps Arriva could take note!

My husband decided to take the girls to town today on the bus and I took our car to work!! Sunday service means 1 bus an hour! So he had to plan the day around the trip to town (with a 1 & 3 year old)!
Getting to town was fine, bus on time etc! Unfortunatly the first bus he wanted to come home on did not show up!! The same happened an hour later!! Third time was lucky ... But very late!! Needless to say we won't be trying the bus service again!!

Bookermum wrote:
My husband decided to take the girls to town today on the bus and I took our car to work!! Sunday service means 1 bus an hour! So he had to plan the day around the trip to town (with a 1 & 3 year old)!
Getting to town was fine, bus on time etc! Unfortunatly the first bus he wanted to come home on did not show up!! The same happened an hour later!! Third time was lucky ... But very late!! Needless to say we won't be trying the bus service again!!

Exactly. Just but a second car.

sparky49 wrote:
I'm afraid it is the sign of the times. I Remember when it was "The Beeline" , Their buses were rarely cancelled and the route in question was the 317 every 20 min's to B End and once an hour to Maidenhead. Mind you drivers were grumpy then as well.

I can remember when it was Thames Valley, then Alder Valley, services were good, again, rarely cancelled, unlike these bunch of bafoons at Arriva.

The SURGEON wrote:

Voyeur wrote:
In Greece, one commentator noted that with the cost of running the railways, it would be cheaper to scrap them and allow the state to pay for travellers to use taxis. Perhaps that sort of analysis needs to be done in High Wycombe. Would it be cheaper for Bucks County Council to scrap the buses and pay the taxi fares for all travellers?

Or would it be cheaper to scrap the buses and start moving the undesireables out of Wycombe and into other towns and cities? Imagine the double boost to Wycombe's flagging economy. This form of 'human pollution' is a blight on the community, and this really seems to be a perfect opportunity to make a difference. If you can't afford a taxi fare then you are surely stealing to feed your drug habit.

Come the revolution and your name will be at the top of the list!

I totally agree with Marmite. I once had the misfortune to take a bus into Wycombe (my roller was in for a service and it was the butler's day off), my gosh, surely a lot of the people on the bus were from Slough as they were even too uncouth for Wycombe town centre. I think I heard chat about "going to The Falcoln after bagging some bargains in Poundland"

Marmite XO wrote:
"As people have told you before on here people rely on buses, as some cannot afford taxi's or own a car, people who prefer to use public transport and leave the car at home, people who stick up fro green issues,"

These are the type of people who will improve Wycombe if they leave.

Stevet123 do not be afraid of using correct punctuation you illiterate fool.

what a sad and useless thing you are to society, why don't you move far away like dartmoor, then you will not see a bus you sad ****

The SURGEON wrote:
I agree with Marmite. I was unfortunate enough to be next to a bus earlier this week when it opened it's doors and some of the undesirables got off. The putrid waft of urine and charity shop clothes that surrounded me was literallly overwhelming. Let's fill Wycombe's buses full of these awful people and send me them on a one way journey past the city limits, never to return.

Clean up Wycombe - ban all buses. If people can't afford taxis or to own a car then they are no worth to our community. Let's get them out and swap them for people who can.

you need putting down, when your next in town pop in to temple end vets, and ask to be put down you sad ****

The SURGEON wrote:

Voyeur wrote:
In Greece, one commentator noted that with the cost of running the railways, it would be cheaper to scrap them and allow the state to pay for travellers to use taxis. Perhaps that sort of analysis needs to be done in High Wycombe. Would it be cheaper for Bucks County Council to scrap the buses and pay the taxi fares for all travellers?

Or would it be cheaper to scrap the buses and start moving the undesireables out of Wycombe and into other towns and cities? Imagine the double boost to Wycombe's flagging economy. This form of 'human pollution' is a blight on the community, and this really seems to be a perfect opportunity to make a difference. If you can't afford a taxi fare then you are surely stealing to feed your drug habit.

so you think everyone is the same, so the people all in your eyes should be removed from high wycombe, then who would be working at the council offices, the law courts, the university, oh and all the shops that apparently make you most welombe to come in and buy there goods, oh and the tea coffee shops, and the insurance companies, the holiday companies, all the food shops, the cinema the bowling alley, now how would you be able to go in these places as there be nobody to run them as you want to remove them from high wycombe and surrounding areas, my best bet is to remove marmite and yourself to dartmoor, then you 2 sad repubates could live in bliss together

It’s funny how such stupid people get to have high positions in local government.

If the average bus driver were as bad at bus driving as Paul Lambourne is at funeral directing then everyone would be riding bicycles.

I use arriva buses to take me to the train station before I commute to london.

I can use my chiltern railcard on arriva so from my point of view they are better value than carousel.

stevet123 wrote:

The SURGEON wrote:

Voyeur wrote:
In Greece, one commentator noted that with the cost of running the railways, it would be cheaper to scrap them and allow the state to pay for travellers to use taxis. Perhaps that sort of analysis needs to be done in High Wycombe. Would it be cheaper for Bucks County Council to scrap the buses and pay the taxi fares for all travellers?

Or would it be cheaper to scrap the buses and start moving the undesireables out of Wycombe and into other towns and cities? Imagine the double boost to Wycombe's flagging economy. This form of 'human pollution' is a blight on the community, and this really seems to be a perfect opportunity to make a difference. If you can't afford a taxi fare then you are surely stealing to feed your drug habit.

so you think everyone is the same, so the people all in your eyes should be removed from high wycombe, then who would be working at the council offices, the law courts, the university, oh and all the shops that apparently make you most welombe to come in and buy there goods, oh and the tea coffee shops, and the insurance companies, the holiday companies, all the food shops, the cinema the bowling alley, now how would you be able to go in these places as there be nobody to run them as you want to remove them from high wycombe and surrounding areas, my best bet is to remove marmite and yourself to dartmoor, then you 2 sad repubates could live in bliss together

Calm down dear. Breath deeply. Count to ten (if you can).

Judging from the time of your post and it's rambling nature, the crack pipe had taken hold of you. I pray for you. I pray you and all other junkie bus users leave Wycombe for good. Making Wycombe a safe and pleasant place to live again. Amen

stevet123 wrote:

The SURGEON wrote:

Voyeur wrote: In Greece, one commentator noted that with the cost of running the railways, it would be cheaper to scrap them and allow the state to pay for travellers to use taxis. Perhaps that sort of analysis needs to be done in High Wycombe. Would it be cheaper for Bucks County Council to scrap the buses and pay the taxi fares for all travellers?

Or would it be cheaper to scrap the buses and start moving the undesireables out of Wycombe and into other towns and cities? Imagine the double boost to Wycombe's flagging economy. This form of 'human pollution' is a blight on the community, and this really seems to be a perfect opportunity to make a difference. If you can't afford a taxi fare then you are surely stealing to feed your drug habit.

so you think everyone is the same, so the people all in your eyes should be removed from high wycombe, then who would be working at the council offices, the law courts, the university, oh and all the shops that apparently make you most welombe to come in and buy there goods, oh and the tea coffee shops, and the insurance companies, the holiday companies, all the food shops, the cinema the bowling alley, now how would you be able to go in these places as there be nobody to run them as you want to remove them from high wycombe and surrounding areas, my best bet is to remove marmite and yourself to dartmoor, then you 2 sad repubates could live in bliss together

Sooooo many questions and yet no question marks?

stevet123...you need an education and then once you are educated you will see just how stupid you make yourself look and hopefully you will be the one visiting the vet and begging to be put down.

Marmite XO wrote:

stevet123 wrote:

The SURGEON wrote:

Voyeur wrote:
In Greece, one commentator noted that with the cost of running the railways, it would be cheaper to scrap them and allow the state to pay for travellers to use taxis. Perhaps that sort of analysis needs to be done in High Wycombe. Would it be cheaper for Bucks County Council to scrap the buses and pay the taxi fares for all travellers?

Or would it be cheaper to scrap the buses and start moving the undesireables out of Wycombe and into other towns and cities? Imagine the double boost to Wycombe's flagging economy. This form of 'human pollution' is a blight on the community, and this really seems to be a perfect opportunity to make a difference. If you can't afford a taxi fare then you are surely stealing to feed your drug habit.

so you think everyone is the same, so the people all in your eyes should be removed from high wycombe, then who would be working at the council offices, the law courts, the university, oh and all the shops that apparently make you most welombe to come in and buy there goods, oh and the tea coffee shops, and the insurance companies, the holiday companies, all the food shops, the cinema the bowling alley, now how would you be able to go in these places as there be nobody to run them as you want to remove them from high wycombe and surrounding areas, my best bet is to remove marmite and yourself to dartmoor, then you 2 sad repubates could live in bliss together

Calm down dear. Breath deeply. Count to ten (if you can).

Judging from the time of your post and it's rambling nature, the crack pipe had taken hold of you. I pray for you. I pray you and all other junkie bus users leave Wycombe for good. Making Wycombe a safe and pleasant place to live again. Amen

marmite did you read what i wrote, as you are insinuating that everyone is a junkie, not all people are sadistic like yourself, Marmite was you born in High Wycombe

Marmite XO wrote:

stevet123 wrote:

The SURGEON wrote:

Voyeur wrote:
In Greece, one commentator noted that with the cost of running the railways, it would be cheaper to scrap them and allow the state to pay for travellers to use taxis. Perhaps that sort of analysis needs to be done in High Wycombe. Would it be cheaper for Bucks County Council to scrap the buses and pay the taxi fares for all travellers?

Or would it be cheaper to scrap the buses and start moving the undesireables out of Wycombe and into other towns and cities? Imagine the double boost to Wycombe's flagging economy. This form of 'human pollution' is a blight on the community, and this really seems to be a perfect opportunity to make a difference. If you can't afford a taxi fare then you are surely stealing to feed your drug habit.

so you think everyone is the same, so the people all in your eyes should be removed from high wycombe, then who would be working at the council offices, the law courts, the university, oh and all the shops that apparently make you most welombe to come in and buy there goods, oh and the tea coffee shops, and the insurance companies, the holiday companies, all the food shops, the cinema the bowling alley, now how would you be able to go in these places as there be nobody to run them as you want to remove them from high wycombe and surrounding areas, my best bet is to remove marmite and yourself to dartmoor, then you 2 sad repubates could live in bliss together

Calm down dear. Breath deeply. Count to ten (if you can).

Judging from the time of your post and it's rambling nature, the crack pipe had taken hold of you. I pray for you. I pray you and all other junkie bus users leave Wycombe for good. Making Wycombe a safe and pleasant place to live again. Amen

marmite did you read what i wrote, as you are insinuating that everyone is a junkie, not all people are sadistic like yourself, Marmite was you born in High Wycombe

I'm saying EVERYONE who has everused a bus is a junkie.

Although I freely admit I did not read you last post properly as I could feel my IQ dropping by the second.

You still seem unable to use any sort of punctuation except for commas and your grasp of tenses is frightening.

Me, just me wrote:

stevet123 wrote:

The SURGEON wrote:

Voyeur wrote: In Greece, one commentator noted that with the cost of running the railways, it would be cheaper to scrap them and allow the state to pay for travellers to use taxis. Perhaps that sort of analysis needs to be done in High Wycombe. Would it be cheaper for Bucks County Council to scrap the buses and pay the taxi fares for all travellers?

Or would it be cheaper to scrap the buses and start moving the undesireables out of Wycombe and into other towns and cities? Imagine the double boost to Wycombe's flagging economy. This form of 'human pollution' is a blight on the community, and this really seems to be a perfect opportunity to make a difference. If you can't afford a taxi fare then you are surely stealing to feed your drug habit.

so you think everyone is the same, so the people all in your eyes should be removed from high wycombe, then who would be working at the council offices, the law courts, the university, oh and all the shops that apparently make you most welombe to come in and buy there goods, oh and the tea coffee shops, and the insurance companies, the holiday companies, all the food shops, the cinema the bowling alley, now how would you be able to go in these places as there be nobody to run them as you want to remove them from high wycombe and surrounding areas, my best bet is to remove marmite and yourself to dartmoor, then you 2 sad repubates could live in bliss together

Sooooo many questions and yet no question marks?

stevet123...you need an education and then once you are educated you will see just how stupid you make yourself look and hopefully you will be the one visiting the vet and begging to be put down.

that the best you can come up with

stevet123 wrote:

Me, just me wrote:

stevet123 wrote:

The SURGEON wrote:

Voyeur wrote: In Greece, one commentator noted that with the cost of running the railways, it would be cheaper to scrap them and allow the state to pay for travellers to use taxis. Perhaps that sort of analysis needs to be done in High Wycombe. Would it be cheaper for Bucks County Council to scrap the buses and pay the taxi fares for all travellers?

Or would it be cheaper to scrap the buses and start moving the undesireables out of Wycombe and into other towns and cities? Imagine the double boost to Wycombe's flagging economy. This form of 'human pollution' is a blight on the community, and this really seems to be a perfect opportunity to make a difference. If you can't afford a taxi fare then you are surely stealing to feed your drug habit.

so you think everyone is the same, so the people all in your eyes should be removed from high wycombe, then who would be working at the council offices, the law courts, the university, oh and all the shops that apparently make you most welombe to come in and buy there goods, oh and the tea coffee shops, and the insurance companies, the holiday companies, all the food shops, the cinema the bowling alley, now how would you be able to go in these places as there be nobody to run them as you want to remove them from high wycombe and surrounding areas, my best bet is to remove marmite and yourself to dartmoor, then you 2 sad repubates could live in bliss together

Sooooo many questions and yet no question marks? stevet123...you need an education and then once you are educated you will see just how stupid you make yourself look and hopefully you will be the one visiting the vet and begging to be put down.

that the best you can come up with

Yes, yes it is. And its 100% better than anything you have ever achieved in your whole life.

I feel sorry for you.

Marmite and Stevet do not make me come up there and smack your bottoms, you naughty children, now come on play nicely

Me, just me wrote:

stevet123 wrote:

Me, just me wrote:

stevet123 wrote:

The SURGEON wrote:

Voyeur wrote: In Greece, one commentator noted that with the cost of running the railways, it would be cheaper to scrap them and allow the state to pay for travellers to use taxis. Perhaps that sort of analysis needs to be done in High Wycombe. Would it be cheaper for Bucks County Council to scrap the buses and pay the taxi fares for all travellers?

Or would it be cheaper to scrap the buses and start moving the undesireables out of Wycombe and into other towns and cities? Imagine the double boost to Wycombe's flagging economy. This form of 'human pollution' is a blight on the community, and this really seems to be a perfect opportunity to make a difference. If you can't afford a taxi fare then you are surely stealing to feed your drug habit.

so you think everyone is the same, so the people all in your eyes should be removed from high wycombe, then who would be working at the council offices, the law courts, the university, oh and all the shops that apparently make you most welombe to come in and buy there goods, oh and the tea coffee shops, and the insurance companies, the holiday companies, all the food shops, the cinema the bowling alley, now how would you be able to go in these places as there be nobody to run them as you want to remove them from high wycombe and surrounding areas, my best bet is to remove marmite and yourself to dartmoor, then you 2 sad repubates could live in bliss together

Sooooo many questions and yet no question marks? stevet123...you need an education and then once you are educated you will see just how stupid you make yourself look and hopefully you will be the one visiting the vet and begging to be put down.

that the best you can come up with

Yes, yes it is. And its 100% better than anything you have ever achieved in your whole life.

I feel sorry for you.

Me, just me

Really 100 % its amazing what your back side can squeeze out all 100 %, you have not got a clue or know anything about me, have you heard of burkes road

Dr James wrote:
Marmite and Stevet do not make me come up there and smack your bottoms, you naughty children, now come on play nicely

lol dr james if you see the comments Marmite makes on all stories then you will understand she or he cannot help what she or he says, as she or he thinks they are correct but not

can we get back to rubbishing Arriva now?
Having spoken to a BCC person not long ago they don't like Arriva either. Especially their old Dennis Dart buses and the fact that there's no investment into the Wycombe depot. My son noted they had new buses, but they're not, they're actually eleven years old! The only good newish bus is the 300, which is run from the Aylesbury depot.
Let Carousel expand and let the public choose who to pay the fare to.