Unusually high admissions to hospital today prompts appeal

5:22pm Saturday 5th January 2013 in News By James Nadal

Unusually high admissions to hospital today prompts appeal Unusually high admissions to hospital today prompts appeal

STOKE Mandeville Hospital is experiencing an 'unusually high' number of admissions to its accident and emergency centre today, bosses revealed this evening, as they appealed to patients.

Officials have told patients to consider all other options before going to the hospital, such as pharmacists, NHS Direct and the out of hours GP service.

Sarah Hills, spokesman for Bucks Healthcare, told The Bucks Free Press this evening the authority does not know yet the cause for the rise in admissions but it is working on treating those coming in.

She said it was not possible at this stage to give more precise numbers of admissions either.

But the hospital is appealing for anyone experiencing diarrhoea and vomiting not to go there unless advised to do so by a doctor.

It said in a statement: “We also ask that visitors with diarrhoea and vomiting symptoms do not visit the hospital until they have been symptom free for 48 hours.

“It is important that you call 999 if you are seriously unwell or critically injured.

“We remain fully committed to treating patients who need our services and thank you for your assistance.”

NHS Direct can be called on 0845 4647.

Comments (32)

5:35pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Lane End Man says...

This is what happens when you cut NHS services to the bone.
soon enough you will have to ring to make an appointment at the A&E as they will be covering too large an area to be able to operate properly ( if they already dont )
This is what happens when you cut NHS services to the bone. soon enough you will have to ring to make an appointment at the A&E as they will be covering too large an area to be able to operate properly ( if they already dont ) Lane End Man

5:49pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Scarletto says...

Expected nightmares coming true here since A&E closed in Wycombe.

SM and Wexham Park A&Es already under great pressure are sometimes being semi-swamped with patients waiting even longer. Ambulance crews from Wycombe areas are also under pressure as ambulances travel much further with 999 patients and are off the road longer therefore.
People being turned away from new minor injuries unit at Wycombe Hospital when their injuries are graded too severe to be treated and then make longish, painful and distressing treks to Slough or Aylesbury.
It's a scandal and involves life or death crisis sometimes.
Expected nightmares coming true here since A&E closed in Wycombe. SM and Wexham Park A&Es already under great pressure are sometimes being semi-swamped with patients waiting even longer. Ambulance crews from Wycombe areas are also under pressure as ambulances travel much further with 999 patients and are off the road longer therefore. People being turned away from new minor injuries unit at Wycombe Hospital when their injuries are graded too severe to be treated and then make longish, painful and distressing treks to Slough or Aylesbury. It's a scandal and involves life or death crisis sometimes. Scarletto

6:19pm Sat 5 Jan 13

iworld says...

This is sad - instead of paying huge amounts of money on consultants they could have kept some A&E that are essential - now this is going to put strain on patients and the ambulance services - it will probably take several tragedies for action - there must be something the public could suggest that would make it financially viable for the government and satisfy the public requirements
This is sad - instead of paying huge amounts of money on consultants they could have kept some A&E that are essential - now this is going to put strain on patients and the ambulance services - it will probably take several tragedies for action - there must be something the public could suggest that would make it financially viable for the government and satisfy the public requirements iworld

6:49pm Sat 5 Jan 13

samikaur says...

After the closure of Wycombe A&E, what did they expect???

Perhaps they should have prepared for a better action plan to cope with the extra patients! no, wait that is far too sensible!!
After the closure of Wycombe A&E, what did they expect??? Perhaps they should have prepared for a better action plan to cope with the extra patients! no, wait that is far too sensible!! samikaur

7:26pm Sat 5 Jan 13

gotanybiscuits? says...

Lets hope the overflow car parks will cope.
Lets hope the overflow car parks will cope. gotanybiscuits?

7:34pm Sat 5 Jan 13

shandee says...

im appealing for everyone to do the opposite. lets swamp a&e in sm. they might then be forced to re-open a&e in wycombe as an overflow. then maybe we have a better chance of keeping it open .... what do you think wycombe
im appealing for everyone to do the opposite. lets swamp a&e in sm. they might then be forced to re-open a&e in wycombe as an overflow. then maybe we have a better chance of keeping it open .... what do you think wycombe shandee

7:39pm Sat 5 Jan 13

shandee says...

this may be you last chance to prove south bucks nhs wrong about closing services in wycombe. power to the people.
this may be you last chance to prove south bucks nhs wrong about closing services in wycombe. power to the people. shandee

9:02pm Sat 5 Jan 13

ivor says...

That's what happens when A&E departments such as the one at Wycombe Hospital are closed and services transferred to a central point. All it takes is the overloading of the central point and the whole she-bang collapses in a heap.
~
Maybe the way to get full A&E facilities restored to Wycombe Hospital is for everyone to go to Stoke Mandeville in flash-mob style and push the broken system over the edge then they would have to re-open Wycombe?
~
Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page.
That's what happens when A&E departments such as the one at Wycombe Hospital are closed and services transferred to a central point. All it takes is the overloading of the central point and the whole she-bang collapses in a heap. ~ Maybe the way to get full A&E facilities restored to Wycombe Hospital is for everyone to go to Stoke Mandeville in flash-mob style and push the broken system over the edge then they would have to re-open Wycombe? ~ Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page. ivor

10:27pm Sat 5 Jan 13

geoffW says...

shandee wrote:
im appealing for everyone to do the opposite. lets swamp a&e in sm. they might then be forced to re-open a&e in wycombe as an overflow. then maybe we have a better chance of keeping it open .... what do you think wycombe
So then someone who really needs help wouldn't get it. Worse case scenario is that somebody dies. Great for Stoke Mandeville as they could then blame those who thought it was a good idea to swamp A&E.

All this will do is give Philip Lee and Theresa May ammunition in their quest to build the Super Hospital on the doorstep of their constituencies (Bracknell and Maidenhead) at the expense of everyone else in the region.
[quote][p][bold]shandee[/bold] wrote: im appealing for everyone to do the opposite. lets swamp a&e in sm. they might then be forced to re-open a&e in wycombe as an overflow. then maybe we have a better chance of keeping it open .... what do you think wycombe[/p][/quote]So then someone who really needs help wouldn't get it. Worse case scenario is that somebody dies. Great for Stoke Mandeville as they could then blame those who thought it was a good idea to swamp A&E. All this will do is give Philip Lee and Theresa May ammunition in their quest to build the Super Hospital on the doorstep of their constituencies (Bracknell and Maidenhead) at the expense of everyone else in the region. geoffW

10:33pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Dr Truth says...

Shameful comments from the last two posters. Encouraging behaviour that would jeopardise the health, and potentially lives, of those who genuinely require treatment. Lets hope neither of you require the services that the NHS staff are trying to provide to the district tonight because quite frankly neither of you deserve them.
Shameful comments from the last two posters. Encouraging behaviour that would jeopardise the health, and potentially lives, of those who genuinely require treatment. Lets hope neither of you require the services that the NHS staff are trying to provide to the district tonight because quite frankly neither of you deserve them. Dr Truth

10:34pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Dr Truth says...

My comments are not referring to geoffW by the way, though I'm sure that's obvious.
My comments are not referring to geoffW by the way, though I'm sure that's obvious. Dr Truth

11:22pm Sat 5 Jan 13

Mr Totterdge Hill says...

ivor wrote:
That's what happens when A&E departments such as the one at Wycombe Hospital are closed and services transferred to a central point. All it takes is the overloading of the central point and the whole she-bang collapses in a heap.
~
Maybe the way to get full A&E facilities restored to Wycombe Hospital is for everyone to go to Stoke Mandeville in flash-mob style and push the broken system over the edge then they would have to re-open Wycombe?
~
Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page.
BUGGER! Once again Ivor hits the nail on the head!
However gotanybiscuits & samikauir also were bloody close.

I've got 6 outpatients appointments at 3 different hospitals over the next 6 weeks... I just wish I could see one doctor! So much for joined up care!
[quote][p][bold]ivor[/bold] wrote: That's what happens when A&E departments such as the one at Wycombe Hospital are closed and services transferred to a central point. All it takes is the overloading of the central point and the whole she-bang collapses in a heap. ~ Maybe the way to get full A&E facilities restored to Wycombe Hospital is for everyone to go to Stoke Mandeville in flash-mob style and push the broken system over the edge then they would have to re-open Wycombe? ~ Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page.[/p][/quote]BUGGER! Once again Ivor hits the nail on the head! However gotanybiscuits & samikauir also were bloody close. I've got 6 outpatients appointments at 3 different hospitals over the next 6 weeks... I just wish I could see one doctor! So much for joined up care! Mr Totterdge Hill

1:11am Sun 6 Jan 13

Old Rebel says...

Here is my experience from the last few weeks. When attending the minor injuries unit at Wycombe at 10.30pm was told it was closed and to go to Stoke. So much for the 24hr unit!! What about when the bad weather sets in. Are they really going to transport people all the way from Wycombe to Aylesbury in the appalling weather if we have the bad weather we had a few years ago. Lives will be lost and that really is tragic. Perhaps Ms Hills would care to visit Wycombe where the good people could explain to her why there is an increase in people attenting Stoke.
Here is my experience from the last few weeks. When attending the minor injuries unit at Wycombe at 10.30pm was told it was closed and to go to Stoke. So much for the 24hr unit!! What about when the bad weather sets in. Are they really going to transport people all the way from Wycombe to Aylesbury in the appalling weather if we have the bad weather we had a few years ago. Lives will be lost and that really is tragic. Perhaps Ms Hills would care to visit Wycombe where the good people could explain to her why there is an increase in people attenting Stoke. Old Rebel

4:10am Sun 6 Jan 13

Honey33 says...

Increase in A&E emmergancy admissions was expected at some stage and in a way a good acid test to see if new set up does cater for the large community. It's funny that smh advising patients to stay away and not to clog up the system and we thought they would welcome them instead. Public outcry went unnoticed when services were relocated so good luck to people who made the Important decisions.
Increase in A&E emmergancy admissions was expected at some stage and in a way a good acid test to see if new set up does cater for the large community. It's funny that smh advising patients to stay away and not to clog up the system and we thought they would welcome them instead. Public outcry went unnoticed when services were relocated so good luck to people who made the Important decisions. Honey33

5:27am Sun 6 Jan 13

buftonp13 says...

this is no suprise and things will only get worse. i feel sorry for the staff at the hospital. The main piont for me as a 30 year old is the population of wycombe is ever increasing, there building more and more homes but then they take away services like the A&E department which is probably the most important service any community need along with a local fire department. what a joke
this is no suprise and things will only get worse. i feel sorry for the staff at the hospital. The main piont for me as a 30 year old is the population of wycombe is ever increasing, there building more and more homes but then they take away services like the A&E department which is probably the most important service any community need along with a local fire department. what a joke buftonp13

8:14am Sun 6 Jan 13

washondo says...

Surprise, surprise.
Psychosomatic illness. Working people only get ill when they are on prolonged holidays. They're normally too busy earning to pay attentionto minor symptoms.
Surprise, surprise. Psychosomatic illness. Working people only get ill when they are on prolonged holidays. They're normally too busy earning to pay attentionto minor symptoms. washondo

8:30am Sun 6 Jan 13

motco says...

Two appropriate quotes:

"But the hospital is appealing for anyone experiencing diarrhoea and vomiting not to go there unless advised to do so by a doctor." SMH spokesperson.


“The art of medicine consists of amusing the
patient while nature cures the disease” Voltaire.

In the first case I would say that after 48h with no symptoms you are cured - or dead.
Two appropriate quotes: "But the hospital is appealing for anyone experiencing diarrhoea and vomiting not to go there unless advised to do so by a doctor." SMH spokesperson. “The art of medicine consists of amusing the patient while nature cures the disease” Voltaire. In the first case I would say that after 48h with no symptoms you are cured - or dead. motco

8:31am Sun 6 Jan 13

motco says...

Two appropriate quotes:

"We also ask that visitors with diarrhoea and vomiting symptoms do not visit the hospital until they have been symptom free for 48 hours." SMH spokesperson.


“The art of medicine consists of amusing the
patient while nature cures the disease” Voltaire.

In the first case I would say that after 48h with no symptoms you are cured - or dead.
Two appropriate quotes: "We also ask that visitors with diarrhoea and vomiting symptoms do not visit the hospital until they have been symptom free for 48 hours." SMH spokesperson. “The art of medicine consists of amusing the patient while nature cures the disease” Voltaire. In the first case I would say that after 48h with no symptoms you are cured - or dead. motco

9:01am Sun 6 Jan 13

demoness the second says...

The government has said that it wants more people with long term conditions to be treated in the community - thus reducing the need for acute admissions. The trouble is they have not provided the money or resources for community staff to do this and no one has told the fat cat GPs ( most often locums) to stop telling people to go to A and E instead of making the effort to visit them in their own homes.
The government has said that it wants more people with long term conditions to be treated in the community - thus reducing the need for acute admissions. The trouble is they have not provided the money or resources for community staff to do this and no one has told the fat cat GPs ( most often locums) to stop telling people to go to A and E instead of making the effort to visit them in their own homes. demoness the second

9:28am Sun 6 Jan 13

esilvester says...

When those clowns did their consultation in Wycombe to try and justify this idiotic decision, they MUST have known that it was a tissue of lies. I do not believe that they believed their own hype. They shut Wycombe a&e in full knowledge of how vulnerable it would leave us and still went through with it, safe in the knowledge that the pct would shortly be abolished leaving no one accountable.
When those clowns did their consultation in Wycombe to try and justify this idiotic decision, they MUST have known that it was a tissue of lies. I do not believe that they believed their own hype. They shut Wycombe a&e in full knowledge of how vulnerable it would leave us and still went through with it, safe in the knowledge that the pct would shortly be abolished leaving no one accountable. esilvester

11:18am Sun 6 Jan 13

Scarletto says...

IF anyone here has just a little faith in health service executives and a lingering feeling that "they must know what they're doing" then just read today's Sunday Telegraph about the complacency, blind eye-turning etc which has gone on in other districts which once had good to very good hospital services.
We used to have an A&E dept in Wycombe and now we've got to go to Stoke M taking extra time, extra pain, extra expense, extra delay, risking life, occupying the ambulance service more etc.
Too many people are doing nothing about the cuts, the worsening service and the risk to lives.
We need perhaps an independent candidate at the next election here to stand up and campaign about our damaged NHS. Our current MP has taken little action and our Labour party has not led any real campaign. Wake up Wycombe!
Sadly, too many people, relatives and friends who have suffered in our wards and departments are too timid to complain in case it means they are targeted by staff as "troublemakers."
IF anyone here has just a little faith in health service executives and a lingering feeling that "they must know what they're doing" then just read today's Sunday Telegraph about the complacency, blind eye-turning etc which has gone on in other districts which once had good to very good hospital services. We used to have an A&E dept in Wycombe and now we've got to go to Stoke M taking extra time, extra pain, extra expense, extra delay, risking life, occupying the ambulance service more etc. Too many people are doing nothing about the cuts, the worsening service and the risk to lives. We need perhaps an independent candidate at the next election here to stand up and campaign about our damaged NHS. Our current MP has taken little action and our Labour party has not led any real campaign. Wake up Wycombe! Sadly, too many people, relatives and friends who have suffered in our wards and departments are too timid to complain in case it means they are targeted by staff as "troublemakers." Scarletto

1:19pm Sun 6 Jan 13

shandee says...

dr truth, i thinks you need to go to a &e in sm straight away to get your head removed from your ****.

you obviously live in sm or alesbury and no inclination of what people in wycombe feel.

lets say your sick child was rushed to sm, you found out 30 mins later. now you get in you car and rush to sm, but along the way you get stuck behind a slow moving large vehical, which delays you even more. you finally get to sm to find out you child died 15 mins ago.

1 family in wycombe suffered this exact senario.

you wouldnt know the truth if it jumped up and shat in your eye.
dr truth, i thinks you need to go to a &e in sm straight away to get your head removed from your ****. you obviously live in sm or alesbury and no inclination of what people in wycombe feel. lets say your sick child was rushed to sm, you found out 30 mins later. now you get in you car and rush to sm, but along the way you get stuck behind a slow moving large vehical, which delays you even more. you finally get to sm to find out you child died 15 mins ago. 1 family in wycombe suffered this exact senario. you wouldnt know the truth if it jumped up and shat in your eye. shandee

1:25pm Sun 6 Jan 13

shandee says...

dr truth, people die, famiies suffer. not because of nhs staff but the money grabbing bigwigs who run the nhs in south bucks and people like you you think wycombe people have nothing better to do than complain. i wish someting happens to someone you know. mp brown hasnt got a clue, he will only stand up if something happens to his family. always the way.
dr truth, people die, famiies suffer. not because of nhs staff but the money grabbing bigwigs who run the nhs in south bucks and people like you you think wycombe people have nothing better to do than complain. i wish someting happens to someone you know. mp brown hasnt got a clue, he will only stand up if something happens to his family. always the way. shandee

2:09pm Sun 6 Jan 13

Scarletto says...

Shandee sounds unpleasant, can't spell and of low intelligence. He or she damages their case by lashing out nastily while trying to comment on a very serious subject. Also, who's MP Brown?
Shandee sounds unpleasant, can't spell and of low intelligence. He or she damages their case by lashing out nastily while trying to comment on a very serious subject. Also, who's MP Brown? Scarletto

4:35pm Sun 6 Jan 13

geoffW says...

shandee wrote:
dr truth, i thinks you need to go to a &e in sm straight away to get your head removed from your ****.

you obviously live in sm or alesbury and no inclination of what people in wycombe feel.

lets say your sick child was rushed to sm, you found out 30 mins later. now you get in you car and rush to sm, but along the way you get stuck behind a slow moving large vehical, which delays you even more. you finally get to sm to find out you child died 15 mins ago.

1 family in wycombe suffered this exact senario.

you wouldnt know the truth if it jumped up and shat in your eye.
So you think that the problem ..and it IS a problem ... will be solved by crippling the A & E in Stoke Mandeville.

How would YOU like it if YOU rushed YOUR sick child to Stoke Mandeville (from anywhere) and found a flash-mob blocking the roads and crowding out reception and then YOUR child dies because they could get to a doctor in time, but could have been saved if YOU had managed to get through the mob 5 minutes earlier?

Someone you know of in HW died because of this totally ridiculous system, but the fact that you are willing to create a scenario that could be equally dangerous to someone else shows what little intelligence you have.

Neither Dr Truth or I have said that the changes system are correct. If you have read any of my posts over the last few years you will know how against it I am. I have been shouting about the drip, drip closure of Wycombe Hospital for four or five years.

The fact that we support our doctors and nurses who have to work in the whatever stupid system the idiots at the top create does not mean that we support the changes and the closure of A&E in HW.

Maybe you should read what people write carefully before you start shouting your mouth off, Maybe you should think before enciting people to take actions that would cause problems for many genuinely ill people who need help - even if it is the increasingly substandard help that seems to be on offer.
[quote][p][bold]shandee[/bold] wrote: dr truth, i thinks you need to go to a &e in sm straight away to get your head removed from your ****. you obviously live in sm or alesbury and no inclination of what people in wycombe feel. lets say your sick child was rushed to sm, you found out 30 mins later. now you get in you car and rush to sm, but along the way you get stuck behind a slow moving large vehical, which delays you even more. you finally get to sm to find out you child died 15 mins ago. 1 family in wycombe suffered this exact senario. you wouldnt know the truth if it jumped up and shat in your eye.[/p][/quote]So you think that the problem ..and it IS a problem ... will be solved by crippling the A & E in Stoke Mandeville. How would YOU like it if YOU rushed YOUR sick child to Stoke Mandeville (from anywhere) and found a flash-mob blocking the roads and crowding out reception and then YOUR child dies because they could get to a doctor in time, but could have been saved if YOU had managed to get through the mob 5 minutes earlier? Someone you know of in HW died because of this totally ridiculous system, but the fact that you are willing to create a scenario that could be equally dangerous to someone else shows what little intelligence you have. Neither Dr Truth or I have said that the changes system are correct. If you have read any of my posts over the last few years you will know how against it I am. I have been shouting about the drip, drip closure of Wycombe Hospital for four or five years. The fact that we support our doctors and nurses who have to work in the whatever stupid system the idiots at the top create does not mean that we support the changes and the closure of A&E in HW. Maybe you should read what people write carefully before you start shouting your mouth off, Maybe you should think before enciting people to take actions that would cause problems for many genuinely ill people who need help - even if it is the increasingly substandard help that seems to be on offer. geoffW

4:41pm Sun 6 Jan 13

totteridge51 says...

I wonder if a good journalist like from the BFP checked to see how MP's etc and families cope with this kind of situation or do they have special NHS for the rich?????
I wonder if a good journalist like from the BFP checked to see how MP's etc and families cope with this kind of situation or do they have special NHS for the rich????? totteridge51

4:47pm Sun 6 Jan 13

ashrosie says...

And where is the chief executive???
And where is the chief executive??? ashrosie

4:50pm Sun 6 Jan 13

ashrosie says...

Better healthcare in Bucks..... is this what better healthcare is!
Better healthcare in Bucks..... is this what better healthcare is! ashrosie

2:43pm Mon 7 Jan 13

stevet123 says...

esilvester wrote:
When those clowns did their consultation in Wycombe to try and justify this idiotic decision, they MUST have known that it was a tissue of lies. I do not believe that they believed their own hype. They shut Wycombe a&e in full knowledge of how vulnerable it would leave us and still went through with it, safe in the knowledge that the pct would shortly be abolished leaving no one accountable.
I agree with you, the money spent on consultants to come up with plans to save money do not give two hoots, as they are on high salaries, more likely do not live in Bucks, and also can afford private medical care, at a guess in High Wycombe over 80 % of the population cannot afford private medical care.

As i have said before Ambulances are being tied up with travelling to Stoke manderville and Wexham park, leaving Wycombe vunerable and causing deaths when they can be saved if covered, also if a major accident on the M40 even worse.

Best thing DR Payne can do is help restore A & E at Wycombe.

There again Toriy fans only think about lining there own pockets they do not care about anyone else
[quote][p][bold]esilvester[/bold] wrote: When those clowns did their consultation in Wycombe to try and justify this idiotic decision, they MUST have known that it was a tissue of lies. I do not believe that they believed their own hype. They shut Wycombe a&e in full knowledge of how vulnerable it would leave us and still went through with it, safe in the knowledge that the pct would shortly be abolished leaving no one accountable.[/p][/quote]I agree with you, the money spent on consultants to come up with plans to save money do not give two hoots, as they are on high salaries, more likely do not live in Bucks, and also can afford private medical care, at a guess in High Wycombe over 80 % of the population cannot afford private medical care. As i have said before Ambulances are being tied up with travelling to Stoke manderville and Wexham park, leaving Wycombe vunerable and causing deaths when they can be saved if covered, also if a major accident on the M40 even worse. Best thing DR Payne can do is help restore A & E at Wycombe. There again Toriy fans only think about lining there own pockets they do not care about anyone else stevet123

2:49pm Mon 7 Jan 13

stevet123 says...

Makes me wonder Stoke manderville A & E how many A & E doctors and nurses are on at any one shift at a time, have they increased with the closure of Wycombes A & E, If they have not then now is the time to start a rumpuss at NO 10 Downing street and Houses of parliment, or Even Chequers at the weekend
Makes me wonder Stoke manderville A & E how many A & E doctors and nurses are on at any one shift at a time, have they increased with the closure of Wycombes A & E, If they have not then now is the time to start a rumpuss at NO 10 Downing street and Houses of parliment, or Even Chequers at the weekend stevet123

2:31am Wed 9 Jan 13

Aquator says...

It is interesting to contrast the reminder set out below regarding personal responsibility. Such a thing reinforces the notion that each of us has a mutual duty towards each other.

Upon scrutiny it could also be argued that such a thing is enshrined with the system of legislator the issuance of which if looked at can be seen to have gone through two significant step changes going back to 1987. If such things are based upon the precautionary principle and it is fully admitted that the cause of these scarcities in terms of public protection facilities, one question we should all be demanding to have answered is as follows:

Where does the precautionary principle apply or why is it entirely neglected when it comes to the now evidenced corruption and criminality embedded within the banking system and City of London (Crown aka HM)?

How is it that through the economic crisis, lives and the protections that should reside at the heart of government can be entirely neglected.

Given that I and those I work with have sought, from numerous offices of the system of administration and government, that they can affirm that they have a duty to protect the lives and well being of the citizens and people of the United Kingdom but as yet none have confirmed such a thing.

These events are in my view not accidental and as such we and our children are rapidly entering a very dangerous and perilous period.

We have trusted this system for too long as it now has quite obviously breached the trust and even its oaths towards our laws and traditions. It is time for a return to those values that are both ancient and essential.

UK Column, The Peoples United Community, The Peoples Public Trust, just a few of many places to go and discover remedies for you and all those you care for.

Thank you for reading
It is interesting to contrast the reminder set out below regarding personal responsibility. Such a thing reinforces the notion that each of us has a mutual duty towards each other. Upon scrutiny it could also be argued that such a thing is enshrined with the system of legislator the issuance of which if looked at can be seen to have gone through two significant step changes going back to 1987. If such things are based upon the precautionary principle and it is fully admitted that the cause of these scarcities in terms of public protection facilities, one question we should all be demanding to have answered is as follows: Where does the precautionary principle apply or why is it entirely neglected when it comes to the now evidenced corruption and criminality embedded within the banking system and City of London (Crown aka HM)? How is it that through the economic crisis, lives and the protections that should reside at the heart of government can be entirely neglected. Given that I and those I work with have sought, from numerous offices of the system of administration and government, that they can affirm that they have a duty to protect the lives and well being of the citizens and people of the United Kingdom but as yet none have confirmed such a thing. These events are in my view not accidental and as such we and our children are rapidly entering a very dangerous and perilous period. We have trusted this system for too long as it now has quite obviously breached the trust and even its oaths towards our laws and traditions. It is time for a return to those values that are both ancient and essential. UK Column, The Peoples United Community, The Peoples Public Trust, just a few of many places to go and discover remedies for you and all those you care for. Thank you for reading Aquator

5:06pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Scarletto says...

Does anyone understand what Aquator is saying? Translate....please. Ta..
Does anyone understand what Aquator is saying? Translate....please. Ta.. Scarletto

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