District car-parks to become camera operated

Easton Street car-park will trial the new ANPR system Easton Street car-park will trial the new ANPR system

FINES and hunting for loose change to pay to park in the Wycombe District could be a thing of the past as car-parks are set to become camera operated.

Automatic Number Plate Recognition will be installed in every Wycombe District Council operated car-park bar four, the authority has announced.

The system – which reads vehicle number plates as they enter and exit – will mean motorists can pay their parking fees on their return to their vehicles, on the internet when they get home or set up an automated debit account.

WDC says the new system, which will cost £680,000 to install, will save a minimum of £200,000 a year and will also increase revenue, as ANPR will prevent motorists from passing tickets or ‘taking a chance’ by not buying one.

Robin Evans, WDC’s Parking Services Manager, said: “A lot of people pop in town and only need an hour or two, or don’t know how long they will be and, invariably, at the end of that period they either decide they want to stay longer or are forced to rush back to their cars.

“This allows you to pay when you come back, so there’s no more rushing around or risk of incurring a penalty charge, in fact there’s no reason to get a penalty charge, you can pay by cash, card, mobile phone or on the internet when you get home – a bit like the London Congestion Charge.

“Parking fines are unwanted thing for the customers, we don’t want it either. A lot of people think it’s good for us as all the council wants to do is issue penalties but we don’t want that.

“We lose money by processing the charges so, contrary to public belief, we don’t want to hand them out as we don’t actually make money or break even.”

Parking charges are to remain unchanged and ANPR will also provide new business opportunities as firms will be able to advertise on the machines and offer discounts and promotions to shoppers.

A two-month trial period starts in the Easton Street and Railway Place car-parks in High Wycombe from April and, if successful, will be rolled out town-by-town - starting in Princes Risborough - by the end of October.

The successful bidder following a tender process was APT Controls – Veri-Park. If the trial is successful, the full contract will begin on June 24.

Jim Rayner, MD of Parking Techniques Ltd which advised the council, said the move will reduce the amount of enforcement officers working in car-parks, which will help to give town centres a friendlier atmosphere.

He said: “ANPR means there’s less people on the ground, they don’t need to be doing assertive enforcement, as it’s done by the software, so it takes away what is seen by many as an aggressive part of the facility.

“Part of the council’s wish list is to improve the atmosphere around the town centre. This system is more robust, more flexible, has greater benefits and officers on the streets can be more assistive rather than enforcing.”

He added pay-on-foot systems, like the one in operation in Easton Street, is more expensive to install and operate than ANPR.

Just four of the council’s car-parks will be immune from ANPR and will remain pay and display for logistical reasons.

They are; Kingsmead and Wycombe Sports Centre in Wycombe, and Riley Road and Dean Street in Marlow.

But these car-parks will have the new machines installed, meaning motorists will be able to pay by cash, card and mobile phone.

Blue badge holders will need to register their vehicles on the ANPR system.

Comments(19)

Voyeur says...
12:03pm Mon 4 Mar 13

The option to "pay on foot" has always been there instead of "pay and display" but WDC has rejected that option for years. You actually do not need ANPR to implement a pay on foot system. WDC could implement pay on foot without the ANPR system and save a packet of money.

gpn01 says...
12:19pm Mon 4 Mar 13

How does ANPR overcome the issue of false plates on vehicles? Under the existing system it doesn't matter whether the number plate is legitimate or not...you simply pay to park the car. Under the new system there's a risk of fraud. Will the ANPR be linked in to the Police too and automatically alert when a vehicle thta they've flagged to be "of interest" has parked in a Council car park? In some ways, that sounds good, in others it feels distinctly 'big brother'.

Welwyn Dowd says...
12:33pm Mon 4 Mar 13

Together with my brother and two sisters I take turns to take my disabled mum out to the shops in our cars. Provided Mum's with us we use her Blue Badge and park in disabled bays so we can help her out of the car and into her wheelchair before pushing her around the shops. Under the new system will we all have to register our cars so that we can use the disabled spaces? What happens when a friend takes her out? It's the person who is entitled to the parking concession and not the vehicle. How will the system know if the badge holder is in the car?

miccles says...
12:44pm Mon 4 Mar 13

I always go to the recycling bins in Princes Risborough on my way to work, am i going to be charged for entering the car park and leaving about 3 minutes later?

readerabc says...
12:53pm Mon 4 Mar 13

well that is stupid WDC!

how will it work for ad-hoc casual visitors to town who use these car parks?
or kind friends/family who use different vehicles to take disabled passengers out?

easton street is pay on exit and takes cards and cash so "fumbling for change" or dashing back to beat the clock dont exist!

how stupid - what a waste of effort!

oh and why we are at it- why has WDC taken 2 disabled bays out at easton street and used them for their own vehicle parking?

gungun says...
1:00pm Mon 4 Mar 13

miccles wrote:
I always go to the recycling bins in Princes Risborough on my way to work, am i going to be charged for entering the car park and leaving about 3 minutes later?
No Miccles you won't be charged for the three minutes - there will be a minimum charge of an hour!

Mutley says...
6:24pm Mon 4 Mar 13

mmm ... thinks ... this isn't going to go well. Maybe ...
If I take a blue-badged relative once and register my car with the council I can then forever after park for free!
What if the computers play up, crash, or maybe slightly mis-read your numberplate?
What happens when the cameras are vandalised?
What happens if you drive in but find no spaces (currently Easton Street allows about 10 minutes before charging to get out)
What if a season ticket holder has use of several cars?
Are there still going to be tickets or are they doing away with the ticket-operated doors?
What is this "advertising on the ANPR machine"?

Perhaps these questions have been answered somewhere - but I doubt it. If they're starting this trial in a month's time they should be able to give more information by now.

Rizzer says...
9:57pm Mon 4 Mar 13

Pay to drive round to find the carpark is full.

Pay to use the bottle bank

There's probably something in the conditions now which say 'no return for (perhaps) an hour' which the camera can enforce.

All in all it'll be better to go somewhere other than WDC

gpn01 says...
9:18am Tue 5 Mar 13

For ANPR to work, and be able to identify a vehicle's owner from its number plate, presumably it must be able to hook into the DVLA database? I thought this was only permitted for the purposes of investigating crime? Using it for commercial purposes seems a bit beyond what people would consider reasonable or is this a dawning of private sector big brother?

PiffleMan says...
11:06am Tue 5 Mar 13

gpn01 wrote:
How does ANPR overcome the issue of false plates on vehicles? Under the existing system it doesn't matter whether the number plate is legitimate or not...you simply pay to park the car. Under the new system there's a risk of fraud. Will the ANPR be linked in to the Police too and automatically alert when a vehicle thta they've flagged to be "of interest" has parked in a Council car park? In some ways, that sounds good, in others it feels distinctly 'big brother'.
The council dont want to issue tickets? that bit seems at least a little implausible.

How does this system decrease my chances of getting a penalty? As far as i can see there is never any reason for getting a ticket, how has it been improved?

However in general it seems that those commenting here are simply scared of change. Life changes, things change, get over it. As for any change, the chances are that there are dozens of people for whom this will be an inconvenience or problem, but for the remaining thousands of people it will be an improvement.

PiffleMan says...
11:06am Tue 5 Mar 13

stupid quoting.
sorry i removed the quote from last comment, but apparently BFP site felt the need to still include it

gpn01 says...
12:33pm Tue 5 Mar 13

PiffleMan wrote:
gpn01 wrote: How does ANPR overcome the issue of false plates on vehicles? Under the existing system it doesn't matter whether the number plate is legitimate or not...you simply pay to park the car. Under the new system there's a risk of fraud. Will the ANPR be linked in to the Police too and automatically alert when a vehicle thta they've flagged to be "of interest" has parked in a Council car park? In some ways, that sounds good, in others it feels distinctly 'big brother'.
The council dont want to issue tickets? that bit seems at least a little implausible. How does this system decrease my chances of getting a penalty? As far as i can see there is never any reason for getting a ticket, how has it been improved? However in general it seems that those commenting here are simply scared of change. Life changes, things change, get over it. As for any change, the chances are that there are dozens of people for whom this will be an inconvenience or problem, but for the remaining thousands of people it will be an improvement.
On the contrary, I'm fully in favour of change....providing it's for the right reason.

readerabc says...
3:43pm Tue 5 Mar 13

i can see lots of numberplate issues! when we had cameras there before it misprinted mine very day..even though my plate is unchnaged from manufacturer and road legal!

Easton street is the worst car park to start with !! it is pay on exit, so no overtime. you cant escape without paying, !! and people use it fo r long stays !

norma stitz says...
5:25pm Tue 5 Mar 13

I do hope that the new machines in Marlow will give change.
There is nothing more annoying than having to pay a pound for a few minutes because the blessed slot machines don't give change.

PiffleMan says...
6:51pm Tue 5 Mar 13

readerabc wrote:
i can see lots of numberplate issues! when we had cameras there before it misprinted mine very day..even though my plate is unchnaged from manufacturer and road legal!

Easton street is the worst car park to start with !! it is pay on exit, so no overtime. you cant escape without paying, !! and people use it fo r long stays !
so you are admitting you would try to avoid paying the correct amount?

PiffleMan says...
6:54pm Tue 5 Mar 13

norma stitz wrote:
I do hope that the new machines in Marlow will give change.
There is nothing more annoying than having to pay a pound for a few minutes because the blessed slot machines don't give change.
yeah good luck with that, though why should they give change? And if they did, especially in these financially difficult times, i can see them being ideal targets for thieves.

but the article does say you can pay on the internet (uptill midnight)......wonde
r if theyll release an app to allow you to pay on the internet on your phone on your return to the car park...?

gpn01 says...
7:42pm Tue 5 Mar 13

PiffleMan wrote:
norma stitz wrote:
I do hope that the new machines in Marlow will give change.
There is nothing more annoying than having to pay a pound for a few minutes because the blessed slot machines don't give change.
yeah good luck with that, though why should they give change? And if they did, especially in these financially difficult times, i can see them being ideal targets for thieves.

but the article does say you can pay on the internet (uptill midnight)......wonde

r if theyll release an app to allow you to pay on the internet on your phone on your return to the car park...?
You can do that already using SMS

pennperson says...
10:49pm Tue 5 Mar 13

Ummm....is this the Easton St car park that not so long ago was reported here as WDC saying it was getting to the point of not being repairable....surely not going to throw good money after bad with this pilot?

Malc London says...
7:26am Thu 7 Mar 13

The only way this will work is to allow 30 minutes free parking. Then if using recycling or car park is full, you won't get charged.

Getting round the blue badge problem is harder. Perhaps individual cameras on each disabled bay to cancel out the charge?

I have seen car parks where every bay has its own camera so is possible.

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