Updated: Wanderers face High Court winding up petition (From Bucks Free Press)

so what do WWFC do? take the ten point deduction, and possibly go through the whole thing time and time again ala Portsmouth
OR
do they declare themselves bankrupt, apply and hopefully join Bluesquare South or even Ryman League and have zero debts?
just throwing it out there :)

By the time the Inland Revenue have finished, there won't be enough teams to fill the four leagues.

The club have released the following statement this evening:

“Wycombe Wanderers can confirm that the HMRC have advertised the club’s overdue taxes.

The club are working with the HMRC to settle this amount and matters are progressing towards an amicable and workable end.

As stated previously, the club had great difficulty releasing funds held within the assets owned by Wycombe Wanderers Trust via Frank Adams Legacy Limited, but these are now being unwound and will allow the club to operate with ample working capital.”

the trust is KILLING the club. i hope this will finally make the majority wake up and see how appalling these people are. "were fans to save the club" they got a club they cant afford! its time to admit these people are the criminals!

I HOPE MOST OF YOU WAKE UP!

Oh well. At least we still have Wasps.

johnymac wrote:
the trust is KILLING the club. i hope this will finally make the majority wake up and see how appalling these people are. "were fans to save the club" they got a club they cant afford! its time to admit these people are the criminals!

I HOPE MOST OF YOU WAKE UP!

You're quite a piece of work aren't you sunshine. In what way are the Supporters' Are you going to elaborate which Trust members are 'criminals', or are you just going make libellous comments without any sort of evidence to back it up?
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Meanwhile, in the real world the Trust are busy trying to clear up the mess your hero Steve Hayes left the club in (i.e. in administration and heading for liquidation).

johnymac wrote:
the trust is KILLING the club. i hope this will finally make the majority wake up and see how appalling these people are. "were fans to save the club" they got a club they cant afford! its time to admit these people are the criminals!

I HOPE MOST OF YOU WAKE UP!

You're quite a piece of work aren't you sunshine. In what way are the Supporters' Are you going to elaborate which Trust members are 'criminals', or are you just going make libellous comments without any sort of evidence to back it up?
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Meanwhile, in the real world the Trust are busy trying to clear up the mess your hero Steve Hayes left the club in (i.e. in administration and heading for liquidation).

billsheppard wrote:

johnymac wrote:
the trust is KILLING the club. i hope this will finally make the majority wake up and see how appalling these people are. "were fans to save the club" they got a club they cant afford! its time to admit these people are the criminals!

I HOPE MOST OF YOU WAKE UP!

You're quite a piece of work aren't you sunshine. In what way are the Supporters' Are you going to elaborate which Trust members are 'criminals', or are you just going make libellous comments without any sort of evidence to back it up?
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Meanwhile, in the real world the Trust are busy trying to clear up the mess your hero Steve Hayes left the club in (i.e. in administration and heading for liquidation).

just how long will this be Steve Hayes mess.

Im sorry what happens if you cant afford a house but you buy one you rocket scientist?

ITS CALLED DEBT!!!

this "company" purchased a club they couldn't afford to run or buy. and now its dying. Steve Hayes is nor ever was my hero Thanks. this isn't some WITH HIM OR AGAINST HIM argument. the fact pathetic people like you assume because i think the morons of the trust wrongly purchased a club doesn't mean im in love with Hayes.

WAKE UP!!

when we die and we are on the way. i look foward to your "the trust tried there best but it was all Hayes speech" thanks and goodnight!

johnymac wrote:

billsheppard wrote:

johnymac wrote: the trust is KILLING the club. i hope this will finally make the majority wake up and see how appalling these people are. "were fans to save the club" they got a club they cant afford! its time to admit these people are the criminals! I HOPE MOST OF YOU WAKE UP!

You're quite a piece of work aren't you sunshine. In what way are the Supporters' Are you going to elaborate which Trust members are 'criminals', or are you just going make libellous comments without any sort of evidence to back it up? - Meanwhile, in the real world the Trust are busy trying to clear up the mess your hero Steve Hayes left the club in (i.e. in administration and heading for liquidation).

just how long will this be Steve Hayes mess. Im sorry what happens if you cant afford a house but you buy one you rocket scientist? ITS CALLED DEBT!!! this "company" purchased a club they couldn't afford to run or buy. and now its dying. Steve Hayes is nor ever was my hero Thanks. this isn't some WITH HIM OR AGAINST HIM argument. the fact pathetic people like you assume because i think the morons of the trust wrongly purchased a club doesn't mean im in love with Hayes. WAKE UP!! when we die and we are on the way. i look foward to your "the trust tried there best but it was all Hayes speech" thanks and goodnight!

Steve Hayes refused to fund WWFC long ago. If it weren't for the trust this would already have happened. What else were the trust supposed to do ?, there weren't exactly many other people out there looking to buy a 4th division football club. The trust were caught out some what by the banks refusing to loan them any money and the Hayes' orginal deal to sell Wasps falling through, meaning WWFC had to fund Wasps until a real buyer was found, this caused an accounted shortfall in the finances. Wasps still owe WWFC c£200,000 . If this money were to be paid in full tomorrow then the threat of adminsitration/Liqui
dation of WWFC would be eased,

Hopefully a plan can be put together with HMRC to clear some/all of the debt owed to them, mainly through the sale and leaseback of the training facility at Booker, and if Wasps sugar daddy finally gets sorted he/she will pay whats owed to WWFC (although somehow I think WWFC are way down Wasps list).

In the longer term the trust have got to somehow entice the good folk of High Wycombe and the surrounding district to come and support their local football team. Not any easy task when they're in competition for paying punters with a premiership LONDON Rugby club, and a local paper whose Blogger (Ivor) suggests to the readership that Adams Park on a football matchday is a dangerous place to be.

So to people out there, what can the trust do to tempt you to Adams Park and help the towns 125 year old football club survive for another 125 years ?

Gerry47 wrote:

johnymac wrote:

billsheppard wrote:

johnymac wrote: the trust is KILLING the club. i hope this will finally make the majority wake up and see how appalling these people are. "were fans to save the club" they got a club they cant afford! its time to admit these people are the criminals! I HOPE MOST OF YOU WAKE UP!

You're quite a piece of work aren't you sunshine. In what way are the Supporters' Are you going to elaborate which Trust members are 'criminals', or are you just going make libellous comments without any sort of evidence to back it up? - Meanwhile, in the real world the Trust are busy trying to clear up the mess your hero Steve Hayes left the club in (i.e. in administration and heading for liquidation).

just how long will this be Steve Hayes mess. Im sorry what happens if you cant afford a house but you buy one you rocket scientist? ITS CALLED DEBT!!! this "company" purchased a club they couldn't afford to run or buy. and now its dying. Steve Hayes is nor ever was my hero Thanks. this isn't some WITH HIM OR AGAINST HIM argument. the fact pathetic people like you assume because i think the morons of the trust wrongly purchased a club doesn't mean im in love with Hayes. WAKE UP!! when we die and we are on the way. i look foward to your "the trust tried there best but it was all Hayes speech" thanks and goodnight!

Steve Hayes refused to fund WWFC long ago. If it weren't for the trust this would already have happened. What else were the trust supposed to do ?, there weren't exactly many other people out there looking to buy a 4th division football club. The trust were caught out some what by the banks refusing to loan them any money and the Hayes' orginal deal to sell Wasps falling through, meaning WWFC had to fund Wasps until a real buyer was found, this caused an accounted shortfall in the finances. Wasps still owe WWFC c£200,000 . If this money were to be paid in full tomorrow then the threat of adminsitration/Liqui

dation of WWFC would be eased,

Hopefully a plan can be put together with HMRC to clear some/all of the debt owed to them, mainly through the sale and leaseback of the training facility at Booker, and if Wasps sugar daddy finally gets sorted he/she will pay whats owed to WWFC (although somehow I think WWFC are way down Wasps list).

In the longer term the trust have got to somehow entice the good folk of High Wycombe and the surrounding district to come and support their local football team. Not any easy task when they're in competition for paying punters with a premiership LONDON Rugby club, and a local paper whose Blogger (Ivor) suggests to the readership that Adams Park on a football matchday is a dangerous place to be.

So to people out there, what can the trust do to tempt you to Adams Park and help the towns 125 year old football club survive for another 125 years ?

You say this but while blaming hayes. attendances get lower. prices get higher. this isnt a club of the people as they claim. its a shambolic ploy.

the people of wycombe need a reason to get behind them... THERE IS NO REASON ANY MORE.

You have your loyal fan base we are there week in week out but there is no desire for the average Jo to watch wycombe. I watch wycombe. for12 pound more a week you can go see prem football 30mins down the road in Reading.

Really? if the average jo fancy's a football game for an extra half hour car journey you can see a decent standard.

The desire isnt there.

The club is falling and all the trust does it continue to blame Hayes.
pointing the figure is DONE now.

but im sorry there alternative options. but this club is going down alot quicker than it was a year ago. thats the truth. these people cant run a club. they have not got a clue.

johnymac wrote:
Gerry47 wrote:
johnymac wrote:
billsheppard wrote: johnymac wrote: the trust is KILLING the club. i hope this will finally make the majority wake up and see how appalling these people are. "were fans to save the clubI have read some rubbish re WWFC but you take the biscuit.
Ill informed nonsense.
WWFC will still be around next season as a league club but will you be around to support them?

The Trust has been very transparent in explaining the current situation. The Hearing scheduled for later in the month could be settled to the satisfaction of all parties. Why all the Doom & Gloom?. I suppose it sells newspapers but the demise of WWFC could be a long time coming. COYB's, if Coventry, Luton, Portsmouth, Bournemouth and other Clubs can survive, the Chairboys will. By the way, this appears to be a problem with Bankers rather than Steve Hayes. We are not alone with that problem, even David Cameron and his Chancellor seems to be with us in that respect.

susie1000 wrote:
The Trust has been very transparent in explaining the current situation. The Hearing scheduled for later in the month could be settled to the satisfaction of all parties. Why all the Doom & Gloom?. I suppose it sells newspapers but the demise of WWFC could be a long time coming. COYB's, if Coventry, Luton, Portsmouth, Bournemouth and other Clubs can survive, the Chairboys will. By the way, this appears to be a problem with Bankers rather than Steve Hayes. We are not alone with that problem, even David Cameron and his Chancellor seems to be with us in that respect.

'Susie1000', 'Jock's little helper' and 'Gerry47' seem to be giving a level-headed appreciation of the situation and the options for the club, its creditors and its debtors.

jonnymac-
The Trust did not WANT to buy the club - they stepped in and SAVED it when hayes pulled the plug and decided he wanted out after the stadium was rejected by the council.
It was your mate Steve Hayes that wracked up millions of debt at WWFC, and had it at operating losses of around £1.5million per year. You are right- the Trust don't have a bottomless pit of money, and they aren't going to continue the Hayes model of debt and pile up more debt, they are trying to run the club sustainably at break even. It goes without saying that they are trying their utmost to convert a club that was losing substantial amounts to a club that breaks even, although this can't be easy. The Trust have my full support and I wish the town of Wycombe would respond and the Bucks Free Press would make this front page news and appeal for the local people to back its local football club.

Fortunately the likes of 'johnymac' are in a minority of one. I am fully supportive of the Trusts efforts in such difficult circumstances. The effect of Hayes's mismanagement will cast a shadow over WWFC for many years, even decades to come. The Trust's budget for this year has been overwhelmingly dictated by the legacy contracts left in place by Hayes (particularly the overgenerous contract awarded to Waddock that had to be terminated). It will be difficult to change entry prices mid-season as it will be a slap in the face for season ticket holders, not to mention the fact that if crowds don't pick up the club will get less money.
All we hear from you is vindictive sniping when what we need is engagement from supporters, both regulars and those who have drifted away in recent times to come back and put their shoulder to the wheel for the club in its hour of need. You might get called 'pathetic people' by pustules like our bitter and twisted friend, but to paraphrase a famous song, "Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer, we'll keep the blue flag flying here!"

johnymac wrote:

Gerry47 wrote:

johnymac wrote:

billsheppard wrote:

johnymac wrote: the trust is KILLING the club. i hope this will finally make the majority wake up and see how appalling these people are. "were fans to save the club" they got a club they cant afford! its time to admit these people are the criminals! I HOPE MOST OF YOU WAKE UP!

You're quite a piece of work aren't you sunshine. In what way are the Supporters' Are you going to elaborate which Trust members are 'criminals', or are you just going make libellous comments without any sort of evidence to back it up? - Meanwhile, in the real world the Trust are busy trying to clear up the mess your hero Steve Hayes left the club in (i.e. in administration and heading for liquidation).

just how long will this be Steve Hayes mess. Im sorry what happens if you cant afford a house but you buy one you rocket scientist? ITS CALLED DEBT!!! this "company" purchased a club they couldn't afford to run or buy. and now its dying. Steve Hayes is nor ever was my hero Thanks. this isn't some WITH HIM OR AGAINST HIM argument. the fact pathetic people like you assume because i think the morons of the trust wrongly purchased a club doesn't mean im in love with Hayes. WAKE UP!! when we die and we are on the way. i look foward to your "the trust tried there best but it was all Hayes speech" thanks and goodnight!

Steve Hayes refused to fund WWFC long ago. If it weren't for the trust this would already have happened. What else were the trust supposed to do ?, there weren't exactly many other people out there looking to buy a 4th division football club. The trust were caught out some what by the banks refusing to loan them any money and the Hayes' orginal deal to sell Wasps falling through, meaning WWFC had to fund Wasps until a real buyer was found, this caused an accounted shortfall in the finances. Wasps still owe WWFC c£200,000 . If this money were to be paid in full tomorrow then the threat of adminsitration/Liqui


dation of WWFC would be eased,

Hopefully a plan can be put together with HMRC to clear some/all of the debt owed to them, mainly through the sale and leaseback of the training facility at Booker, and if Wasps sugar daddy finally gets sorted he/she will pay whats owed to WWFC (although somehow I think WWFC are way down Wasps list).

In the longer term the trust have got to somehow entice the good folk of High Wycombe and the surrounding district to come and support their local football team. Not any easy task when they're in competition for paying punters with a premiership LONDON Rugby club, and a local paper whose Blogger (Ivor) suggests to the readership that Adams Park on a football matchday is a dangerous place to be.

So to people out there, what can the trust do to tempt you to Adams Park and help the towns 125 year old football club survive for another 125 years ?

You say this but while blaming hayes. attendances get lower. prices get higher. this isnt a club of the people as they claim. its a shambolic ploy.

the people of wycombe need a reason to get behind them... THERE IS NO REASON ANY MORE.

You have your loyal fan base we are there week in week out but there is no desire for the average Jo to watch wycombe. I watch wycombe. for12 pound more a week you can go see prem football 30mins down the road in Reading.

Really? if the average jo fancy's a football game for an extra half hour car journey you can see a decent standard.

The desire isnt there.

The club is falling and all the trust does it continue to blame Hayes.
pointing the figure is DONE now.

but im sorry there alternative options. but this club is going down alot quicker than it was a year ago. thats the truth. these people cant run a club. they have not got a clue.

Quite an illiterate little idiot aren't you johnymac?

Look it up if you don't understand what I mean by the word 'illiterate'.

Do not forget also that Hayes is still on bail. As a result of him ceasing to fund the club, the Trust had to pay off the club's overdraft, which ruined their planned cash flow strategy. Then to compound the problem, the club gained a toxic reputation from Hayes' behaviour and the bank pulled out of the loan at the last minute, putting the Trust at yet another disadvantage. Jonnymac grossly misunderstands the current situation of the football club.

At least the Trust have the priorities of this football club right and are trying to put it back on a sound footing. The reality of the situation however is that this may take some time due to the astronomical mismanagement of the Hayes era where everything banked on a new stadium with no plan B and no strategy to reduce the climbing debt. This is where the BFP should come in and promote the plight of WWFC more and get the message out there. If they don't, they can add their name to the bottom of the list of people responsible for the situation of the club. Hayes' name is definitely top of that particular list.
I know that the Trust are looking at adjusting ticket prices for next season and they know the current prices are too expensive. Watch this space.

susie1000 wrote:
The Trust has been very transparent in explaining the current situation. The Hearing scheduled for later in the month could be settled to the satisfaction of all parties. Why all the Doom & Gloom?. I suppose it sells newspapers but the demise of WWFC could be a long time coming. COYB's, if Coventry, Luton, Portsmouth, Bournemouth and other Clubs can survive, the Chairboys will. By the way, this appears to be a problem with Bankers rather than Steve Hayes. We are not alone with that problem, even David Cameron and his Chancellor seems to be with us in that respect.

Bankers or Steve Hayes or politicians ? What's the difference ?.
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The only thing these sort of people do is put the boot in - but not in a nice football-y sort of way.
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The Trust should be given 'credit' for trying to do something positive - whereas Hayes-type people , bankers , speculators et alia are in it for merely for their own money-grubbing selves.
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If this was Chicago in the 1920s , they might have been considered part of the Mafia. And don't forget - it's only just a couple of years ago , some of our senior Wycombe councillors were very cosy (nostra ?) with these shady dodgy financial types (allegedly).

With politicians, bankers and money merchants the outcome is always bad news for everybody else. Good luck WWFC - and all who sail with her

Wasps still owe WWFC c£200,000 . If this money were to be paid in full tomorrow then the threat of adminsitration/Liqui
dation of WWFC would be eased,
So to people out there, what can the trust do to tempt you to Adams Park and help the towns 125 year old football club survive for another 125 years ?

WELL GET THAT MONEY IN AND GETTING ON TOP OF DEBT COLLECTION WOULD A GOOD WAY TO SHOW THAT THE TRUST HAS THE ABILITY TO MANAGE CLUB AFFAIRS PROPERLY AS THIS ALONE LOOKS LIKE POOR MANANGEMENT.
Not really shouting but just need to differentiate the quotes from above from my point of view...

djwyc14 wrote:
Do not forget also that Hayes is still on bail. As a result of him ceasing to fund the club, the Trust had to pay off the club's overdraft, which ruined their planned cash flow strategy. Then to compound the problem, the club gained a toxic reputation from Hayes' behaviour and the bank pulled out of the loan at the last minute, putting the Trust at yet another disadvantage. Jonnymac grossly misunderstands the current situation of the football club.

At least the Trust have the priorities of this football club right and are trying to put it back on a sound footing. The reality of the situation however is that this may take some time due to the astronomical mismanagement of the Hayes era where everything banked on a new stadium with no plan B and no strategy to reduce the climbing debt. This is where the BFP should come in and promote the plight of WWFC more and get the message out there. If they don't, they can add their name to the bottom of the list of people responsible for the situation of the club. Hayes' name is definitely top of that particular list.
I know that the Trust are looking at adjusting ticket prices for next season and they know the current prices are too expensive. Watch this space.

Well said DJ. You put the situation on the ground (rather than some fantasist's deluded head) far more lucidly than I've been able to. Seeing the BFP was more than keen to promote Steve Hayes's green-belt property scheme, surely it could lend its support to the town's football club in its hour of need, rather than prioritising some out-of-town rugby franchise.

Surely the money owed to the club by wasps will go a long way to pay the tax bill off,no more messing around and if they don't pay up kick them out.

This is so sad and I feel for all the staff down there as all they want is for the club to survive. The time for bickering is now sadly gone and we should get behind our team. Not that long ago when you all came down and filled the ground for the Chelsea game strange how many supporters we had then!!!!!!!!! I for one will continue my support and lets hope WWFC does indeed survive and I am just not interested whose fault it is lets all get behind them and maybe we might still have a team. Good luck WWFC.

billsheppard wrote:

johnymac wrote:
the trust is KILLING the club. i hope this will finally make the majority wake up and see how appalling these people are. "were fans to save the club" they got a club they cant afford! its time to admit these people are the criminals!

I HOPE MOST OF YOU WAKE UP!

You're quite a piece of work aren't you sunshine. In what way are the Supporters' Are you going to elaborate which Trust members are 'criminals', or are you just going make libellous comments without any sort of evidence to back it up?
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Meanwhile, in the real world the Trust are busy trying to clear up the mess your hero Steve Hayes left the club in (i.e. in administration and heading for liquidation).

It's only libellous if you mention someone by name.

mowgli1960 wrote:
Surely the money owed to the club by wasps will go a long way to pay the tax bill off,no more messing around and if they don't pay up kick them out.

Wasps don't owe WW any money at all.

The trust has assets that it can use to raise money, but apparently can't get to them at the moment. They would rather like the supporters to dig into their pockets ... again. This is promoted as a stop-gap, yet the supporters will not get any of the money they "donate" back.

It is like me saying "can you GIVE me £100? I don't get paid for a few weeks"

These 'bankers' etc are mere wind-up merchants ; that is what they do.
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They wind up people (and businesses). Actually and figuratively.
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They used to called gangsters and money-launderers and criminals but nowadays (like with the pigs in Orwell's Animal Farm) they sit down with our horrible politicians and ask for subsidies for their huge undeserved bonuses.
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Snouts deep in the trough . That's YOUR trough btw.

I'd love to take my family to watch WWFC and Wasps for that matter but it's just not an affordable or good use of my money - particularily when it's barely 2 hours of entertainment

Is IVOR BEEKS still a director at the club? He sorted out the previous financial mess by bringing in wealthy investor(s) - can he not, with his considerable connections, find someone else to come in and rescue the club. We dont need a plan B, just use Ivor's skills.

Sorry cressex blue, we don't need another investor, the council threw several thousands at the booker plan surely they can support WWFC in our hour of need.