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  • THE winners and losers of the Bucks County Council elections are coming through thick and fast.
  • 49 seats are up for grabs.
  • UKIP, in line with national trends, is having a successful day, with six winners so far.
  • Simon Farr (posts marked WDC) is reporting live from the Wycombe count at Wycombe Sports Centre.
  • Andy Carswell (CDC) is blogging from Chiltern at Chesham Leisure Centre.
  • Stephen Walter (SBDC) has been sending reports from South Bucks at Curzon Centre, Beaconsfield.
  • Join in by leaving your comments below or on Twitter by using the hashtag #bfpelections.

2:02pm

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Results are now in and this live article is now closed.

Keep your eyes on this website for reaction to the 2013 election results.

2:00pm

Summary

  • Conservatives storm to power again, winning 36 out of 49 seats.
  • UKIP are the big winners though, coming from nowhere to become the main opposition party with six seats - all new.
  • UKIP success comes in north of county and areas like Great Missenden which are most affected by High Speed 2.
  • Darren Hayday in West Wycombe is the only independent to win a seat.
  • Lib Dems come third, Labour fourth overall

Overall vote share

  1. Conservative 36 41.0%
  2. UK Independence Party 6 27.0%
  3. Liberal Democrat 5 14.9%
  4. Labour 1 11.5%
  5. Independent 1 3.8%
  6. Green 0 1.7%
  7. Trade Unionists & Socialists Against Cuts 0 < 1%
  8. Turnout:  30.3%

1:44pm

Chalfont St Giles

  1. Timothy Butcher Conservative 1159 45.6% Elected
     
  2. Steven Babb UK Independence Party 956 37.6% Not elected
  3. Peter Hutchinson Labour 223 8.8% Not elected
  4. Kaley Botting Liberal Democrat 206 8.1% Not elected

1:15pm

CDC: That last result was indeed Chalfont St Giles, which wraps things up.

1:15pm

What have you  made of the Bucks County Council results?

Leave your comments below...

1:13pm

Just waiting for Chalfont St Giles to be announced

1:13pm

CDC: Final result announced here and it's another victory for the Conservatives as Timothy Butcher takes 1,159 votes - beating UKIP's Steven Babb with 956.

1:12pm

Not a very good day for Labour in Bucks but they managed to pip the Tories to second place in Totteridge & Bowerdean.

But ex-High Wycombe Mayor Chaudhary Ditta, Lib Dem, was celebrating victory.

Totteridge & Bowerdean

  1. Chaudhary Ditta Liberal Democrat 953 38.7% Elected
  2. Ghalib Hussain Labour 671 27.3% Not elected
  3. Tony Green Conservative 482 19.6% Not elected
  4. Philip Whitehead UK Independence Party 354 14.4% Not elected

1:10pm

CDC: Perhaps UKIP would have done even better if all their candidates headed to the polling stations wearing the same jumper as David Meacock?

1:10pm

Amersham & Chesham Bois

  1. Martin Phillips Conservative 1251 51.5% Elected
  2. Bev Weedon UK Independence Party 533 22.0% Not elected
  3. Howard Maitland-Jones Liberal Democrat 411 16.9% Not elected
  4. Robin Walters Labour 232 9.6% Not elected

1:07pm

As it stands UKIP are the big winners today in Bucks and they're going to be the second largest party at County Hall with six councillors.

1:05pm

All but three of the results have now come in and here is the run down of the share of the vote...

The first figure is number of seats won.

  1. Conservative 33 40.3%
  2. UK Independence Party 6 26.9%
  3. Liberal Democrat 5 15.1%
  4. Labour 1 11.6%
  5. Independent 1 4.1%
  6. Green 0 1.8%
  7. Trade Unionists & Socialists Against Cuts 0 < 1%

1:03pm

CDC: Two results just been announced and they're both convincing Conservative victories. David Schofield takes Penn Wood and Old Amersham and Martin Phillips remains in control of Amersham and Chesham Bois. Just waiting for Chalfont St Giles now.

1:01pm

Soon to be High Wycombe Mayor Trevor Snaith has not managed to upset the apple cart, coming in third.

He has lost out to ex-BCC leader David Shakespeare.

Tylers Green & Loudwater

  1. David Shakespeare Conservative 911 43.5% Elected
     
  2. Richard Postles UK Independence Party 590 28.2% Not elected
  3. Trevor Snaith Liberal Democrat 392 18.7% Not elected
  4. Mark Ferris Labour 201 9.6% Not elected

12:56pm

CDC: So you lot are all done at SBDC and WDC and I have to hang around waiting for three more results? Where's the justice in that?

12:56pm

Hazlemere was predicted to be one of the most interesting divisions with four well known candidates scrapping it out.

But the Tories have held off UKIP's challenge on this one.

 

Hazlemere

  1. Katrina Wood Conservative 976 46.0% Elected
  2. Brian Mapletoft UK Independence Party 784 36.9% Not elected
  3. Ian Bates Labour 191 9.0% Not elected
  4. Wendy Guy Liberal Democrat 173 8.1% Not elected

12:54pm

WDC: And that's your lot, results wise, from the Wycombe count - the quickest one I've ever been a part of.

I will now try and grab a few of the winners, but it's amazing how fast the candidates have cleared out of the Wycombe Sports Centre.

12:53pm

Darren Hayday becomes the first independent candidate to win a BCC seat today.

He has pulled off a shock by beating Tory Ian McEnnis, former Chairman of Wycombe District Council.

West Wycombe

  1. Darren Hayday Independent 587 30.3% Elected
     
  2. Ian McEnnis Conservative 480 24.7% Not elected
  3. Hedley Luxton UK Independence Party 396 20.4% Not elected
  4. Henry Oriabure Labour 310 16.0% Not elected
  5. Neil Timberlake Liberal Democrat 167 8.6% Not elected

12:52pm

WDC: An emotional Carl Etholen (Cons) took the county seat in Ridgeway West.

12:50pm

WDC: And we have an Independent candidate from Wycombe, with Darren Hayday seeing off the Tory challenge from Ian McEnnis (Cons) in West Wycombe.

12:47pm

WDC: David Shakespeare (Cons) has secured the Tylers Green and Loudwater seat for another four years.

12:45pm

WDC: It has been quiet and, ultimately, predicatable in the Wycombe divisions - but UKIP has come close to two upsets...

Conservative Deputy Police and Crime Commissioner David Carroll was elected in Ridgeway East with 1,338 votes to UKIP candidate Nick Morris' 1,040.

And Brian Mapletoft (UKIP) ran Katrina Wood close in Hazlemere, but it is the Tory candidate who wins with 976 votes.

12:41pm

CDC: We're still awaiting three results here. Can someone send sandwiches to Chesham Leisure Centre please? I'm starving.

12:39pm

CDC: Patricia Birchely reflecting on her win: "It was a very narrow margin but I'm delighted to win. We anticipated a close vote and many people in the community pulled together for me and thank goodness it wasn't any tighter than that."

12:37pm

WDC: David Watson (Cons) has won in Flackwell, Little Marlow and Marlow South East.

12:36pm

WDC: Conservative Bill Bendyshe-Brown - aka: Triple B - has been elected for The Risboroughs division.

12:34pm

WDC: Michael Appleyard has won to ensure The Wooburns, Bourne End and Hendsor will be represented by a Conservative councillor.

12:33pm

CDC: Just 88 votes in that one #knifeedge

12:33pm

CDC: The Chiltern Ridges result is in and it's a narrow victory for the Conservatives over UKIP. Patricia Birchley takes 1,223 votes ahead of 1,135 for Barry Kempson.

12:30pm

WDC: *Time for the use of a cricket image*

Soon-to-be Wycombe District Council Leader Richard Scott (Cons) has kept his county seat in Marlow.

Valerie Letheren (Cons) will serve another term in Terriers and Amersham Hill, and Julia Wassell (Lib) has won again in Ryemead and Micklefield.

No shocks yet.

12:26pm

WDC: Blue is the colour in the Chiltern Villages ward, with Conservative Jean Teesdale storming to victory. She's on the podium on her own. She said: "I think this speaks volumes." 

 

12:25pm

CDC: No sign of the winning candidate though. Another result announcement is imminent...

12:24pm

CDC: Another Tory win here as Noel Brown retains Chess Valley with 1,165 votes. Second placed UKIP candidate Richard Ness polled 468.

12:21pm

Here is the latest share of the vote stats:

Election results by party

  1. Conservative 20 38.5%
     
  2. UK Independence Party 6 27.8%
  3. Liberal Democrat 3 15.4%
  4. Labour 1 12.3%
  5. Independent 0 4.3%
  6. Green 0 1.5%
  7. Trade Unionists & Socialists Against Cuts 0 < 1%

12:20pm

WDC: A delighted, beaming and any other word you want to use, Cllr Chaudhary Ditta told me : "I am over the moon, all the hard work has paid off.

"Thank you to the people who voted for me. We are the party that will deliver what we promised. We are working on returning A&E and other services to Wycombe Hospital and that will be my main aim."

12:20pm

CDC: He took 1,520 votes - finishing fairly comfortably ahead of UKIP's David Meacock, who was pictured in a rather fetching Union Jack jumper on the Telegraph website yesterday, who polled 879. Labour took 178 votes, Lib Dems 166.

12:19pm

CDC: Victory for the Conservatives in Chalfont St Peter as David Martin is voted in

12:18pm

SBDC: Right I'm off back to the office. In summary - it's seven wins from seven for the conservatives here at the SBDC count, with UKIP runners-up in five of the wards. 

12:16pm

CDC: Getting conflicting reports about Chiltern Ridges - word now is the Tories have held it by a very narrow margin. I should probably stop speculating and wait for the actual announcement! Chalfont St Peter result is next up, so we're told...

12:15pm

SBDC: Quick clear up here. Currently reporting from the Curzon Centre Hall floor - my table and chair have disappeared - and here's Cliveden Cllr Dev Dillon's reaction after his narrow victory:

"It's a very big relief. A huge thanks for the residents of Burnham.

"I'm really happy they didn't bring the national issue to the local issue. Common sense did prevail.

"There were times when I was getting very suspicious but I was very calm and very peaceful all through my canvassing. I was getting some very positive responses from my parishioners."

 

12:14pm

The former leader of Wycombe District Council, Lesley Clarke, has retained her seat on the county council.

Abbey

  1. Lesley Clarke Conservative 793 47.3% Elected
     
  2. Riaz Ahmed Labour 401 23.9% Not elected
  3. Bob Harris UK Independence Party 379 22.6% Not elected
  4. Matt Knight Liberal Democrat 105 6.3% Not elected

12:14pm

CDC: More from Martin Tett, who admits the UKIP vote is down to HS2: “It would be a mistake to dismiss UKIP’s victories. There’s a trend of Conservative and Liberal losses along the line – losses like Great Missenden, Wendover and parts of Aylesbury are wholly down to it.

“The Government have to learn to listen to that message and look very seriously at this project and the damage it’s causing to the county and to the party.

“We’ve lost seats I didn’t expect to lose but we’ve held some where we might be vulnerable.
“It’s the most unpredictable election. The intervention of UKIP is proving a variable.”

12:12pm

WDC: So those county council election results in full:

Booker,Cressex & Castlefield: M. Hanif (Lab) 848;R. Hussein (Ind) 131;Z. Mohammed (Con) 1413;S. Parker (Lib Dem) 222;B Pearce (UKIP) 385.

Abbey: Riaz Ahmed (Lab) 401; Lesley Clarke (Con) 793; Bob Harris (UKIP) 379; Matt Knight (Lib Dem) 105.

Downley: Matt Brown (Lib Dem) 233; Wendy Mallen (Con) 1053; Mohammed Rafiq (Lab) 750; Vijay Srao (UKIP).

Totteridge & Bowerdean: C. Ditta (Lib Dem) 953; T. Green (Con) 482; G. Hussain (Lab) 671; P. Whitehead (UKIP) 354

12:12pm

BIG result in Great Missenden!

Residents seem to have sent Tory HQ a big message in protest against HS2 by voting in UKIP.

Great Missenden  
 

  1. Alan Stevens UK Independence Party 1243 40.7% Elected
  2. Sonia Brock Conservative 1151 37.7% Not elected
  3. Rob Green Independent 350 11.5% Not elected
  4. Christopher Barr Labour 186 6.1% Not elected
  5. Ruth Chenoweth Liberal Democrat 125 4.1% Not elected

12:11pm

CDC: Result from Chiltern Ridges is set to be announced shortly but I've just heard from a second source that it's gone to UKIP and current BCC cabinet member Patricia Birchley is on her way.

12:11pm

SBDC: Victorious SBDC leader Adrian Busby said he was very pleased and gave his heart-felt thanks to those who voted for him.

"I'll do my utmost to make sure I do all I can for them in the next 4 years.

"If you have a strong local presence, you get out and bang on doors and talk to people and you listen to what they have to say then I do feed them back and hopefully they get listend to."

12:10pm

CDC: Leader Martin Tett, duly re-elected, hopes candidates who've been elected prove to be serious politicians: “I really hope people who are getting elected are more than just paper candidates. It’s a demanding job that takes place during the day and with evening meetings, with people serving on a range of committees. It’s not a job for people who want to be elected and not be prepared to put in a lot of work."

12:08pm

Cabinet Member fo Transport Peter Hardy has been re-elected, staving off the challenge from the parish council chairman Chris Brown

Gerrards Cross

  1. Peter Hardy Conservative 881 47.2% Elected
     
  2. Chris Brown Independent 586 31.4% Not elected
  3. John Fagan UK Independence Party 302 16.2% Not elected
  4. Peter Chapman Liberal Democrat 98 5.2% Not elected

12:08pm

SBDC: Turnout was 26.7% here - lower than last year. Perhaps people were busy attending to their gardens...

12:07pm

WDC: In other news, Maz Hussain, Conservative, has won the Wycombe District Council by-election in the Disraeli ward - grabbing that seat from Labour after Victoria Groulef stood down.

12:00pm

WDC: Orange is on the board, Chaudhary Ditta (Lib Dem) has been elected in the Totteridge and Bowerdean division.

11:59am

Liberal Democrats  have bumped up their seat count with another couple of wins...

 

Aylesbury North

  1. Raj Khan Liberal Democrat 820 33.6% Elected
     
  2. Roger Huntley UK Independence Party 616 25.3% Not elected
  3. Mike Padmore Labour 510 20.9% Not elected
  4. Edward Sims Conservative 493 20.2% Not elected

 

Ivinghoe

  1. Avril Davies Liberal Democrat 1032 38.1% Elected
     
  2. Chris Poll Conservative 947 35.0% Not elected
  3. Nicholas Griffin UK Independence Party 534 19.7% Not elected
  4. Robert Kempster Labour 193 7.1% Not elected

11:58am

WDC: Wendy Mallen (Cons) holds on to Downley for another four-year term.

11:57am

WDC: Conservative Zahir Mohammed wins in Booker, Cressex and Castlefield, that's quickly followed by another blue win - this time for Lesley Clarke in the Abbey ward.

11:57am

CDC: Victorious UKIP councillor Alan Stevens: "It's a splendid victory and it confirms people have been willing to take on the establishment."

He adds it's a sign of people's opposition to HS2: "The whole line in this area is going purple. It's a clear message - we'll see if they listen."

11:55am

Bernwood

  1. Margaret Aston Conservative 1197 44.0% Elected
     
  2. William Bate UK Independence Party 591 21.7% Not elected
  3. Roderick Floud Labour 428 15.7% Not elected
  4. David Lyons Green 348 12.8% Not elected
  5. Bette Melling Liberal Democrat 155 5.7% Not elected

11:55am

WDC: RESULTS FRENZY...

11:54am

SBDC: Ken Wright of UKIP put in a great challenge with 778 votes but Cllr Dillon wins with 822. It's almost pack up and go time! Now for some reaction...

11:54am

A fifth win for UKIP...

Their campaign around Aylesbury seems to have been a success so far, with all five wins coming in that north Bucks area 

Aylesbury East  
 

  • Phil Gomm UK Independence Party 1027 35.6% Elected
     
  • Jenny Bloom Conservative 871 30.2% Not elected
  • Steve Patrick Liberal Democrat 594 20.6% Not elected
  • Roy McNickle Labour 363 12.6% Not elected
  • Helen Tucker Trade Unionists & Socialists Against Cuts 31 1.1% Not elected

11:53am

CDC: Full result from Great Missenden - Alan Stevens (UKIP) 1,243, Sonia Brock (Con) 1,151, Rob Green (Ind) 350, Christopher Barr (Lab) 186, Ruth Chenoweth (LD) 125

11:53am

SBDC: And in by far the closest result of the day, Dev Dhillon us re-elected for Clivedon - but only just!

11:52am

Farnham Common & Burnham Beeches

Lin Hazell Conservative 1114 59.2% Elected
Paul Marshall UK Independence Party 541 28.7% Not elected
Jane Hartley Liberal Democrat 228 12.1% Not elected

11:52am

CDC: In Little Chalfont and Amersham Common, Bucks CC Leader Martin Tett holds his seat comfortably. He takes 1,171 votes with UKIP's Christopher Cooke second with 542.

11:51am

SBDC: Nope, no bearing on the result. Peter Hardy is re-elected with 881 votes ahead of Independent candidate Chris Brown, who won 586 votes. 

Just Cliveden to go here now. This is how election counts should be done.

11:48am

CDC: Alan Stevens takes 1,243 votes - just pipping Conservative Sonia Brock, who took 1,151.

11:47am

CDC: UKIP victory in Great Missenden - Tories lose the seat.

11:47am

WDC: Steve Baker MP said: "I'm very disappointed the turnout is so low. For someone like me who came into politics to try and change things, it's a profound challenge. We are still not reaching people and doing things differently.

"It's clear UKIP has done well because disgruntled Conservatives have supported them and that's a challenge because I still think the Conservative party is this country's best hope for prosperity for everyone.

"Between the turnout and UKIP's success, everyone who gives their time and money to be involved in politics will have to think very carefully how to meet the public's expectations."

11:46am

Chris Adams, who helped run a protest campaign about parking fines issued in Marlow by the county council a few years ago, has been elected.

Cllr Adams, already a district councillor in Aylesbury, who was previously party leader Nigel Farage's campaign manager is now one of four UKIP candidates to win at BCC today.

Wendover, Halton & Stoke Mandeville

  1. Chris Adams UK Independence Party 1085 36.3% Elected
  2. Chris Richards Independent 768 25.7% Not elected
  3. Steve Bowles Conservative 720 24.1% Not elected
  4. Philip McGoldrick Labour 175 5.9% Not elected
  5. Sue Hetherington Green 145 4.9% Not elected
  6. Peter Vernon Liberal Democrat 96 3.2% Not elected

11:45am

SBDC: Peter Hardy is the current councillor for Gerrards Cross and is the Cabinet Member for Planning and Transport on the Bucks County Council. Let's see if the state of the roads has a bearing on the result here...

11:42am

CDC: So that's a gain for the Tories from Labour, although Bhatti was elected as a Conservative before defecting. Great Missenden result is probably going to be next.

11:42am

SBDC: I can hardly keep up here... Lin Hazell wins Farnham Common and Burnham Beeches for the Tories - another re-election - and now Gerrards Cross are being called up! 

11:41am

CDC: Shaw takes 1,018 votes ahead of Labour's Mohammad Bhatti, who polled 756. Then it's UKIP candidate Reg Amos on 528, Lib Dems' Alison Pirouet on 322 and the Green Party's Phil Folly on 151.

11:41am

CDC: Chesham results are in and it's a win for the Conservatives. Mark Shaw takes the seat.

11:40am

WDC: Most of the hard-working counters have their feet up and arms crossed at the moment - not sure if they've finished, awaiting more papers or just fed up.

11:38am

WDC: Labour are not feeling too confident here in Wycombe - but it's apprently very close in a number of divisions, so my spies say.

11:38am

SBDC: Iver result: Ruth Vigor-Hedderly re-elected to the SBDC with 955 votes, although UKIP are beaten into third this time as John Alan Oxley wins 650 votes for the Liberal Democrats

11:37am

SBDC: Iver result is in - and again it's a sea of blue...

11:36am

The UKIP bandwagon is well and truly rolling now!

The party, headed by Nigel Farage, have now got 4 seats today.

Details of the two latest wins to follow...

11:35am

SBDC: Beaconsfield results:

Adrian Busby, council leader of the SBDC, won with 1366 votes, ahead of Graham Smith of UKIP in second with 590 votes

Iver up next - announcement imminent...

11:34am

Incredibly close race in Stone and Waddesdon seat - but UKIP has won its second BCC seat of the day!

Only a few % points between the top three, with Tories beaten into third.

Stone and Waddesdon

  1. Paul Irwin UK Independence Party 606 27.4% Elected
  2. David Vick Liberal Democrat 576 26.1% Not elected
  3. Clive Harriss Conservative 569 25.7% Not elected
  4. Mark Bale Independent 460 20.8% Not elected

11:33am

SBDC: Adrian Busby re-elected for Tories in Beaconsfield

11:31am

First victory for Lib Dems...

Aylesbury West
 

  1. Steven Lambert Liberal Democrat 921 41.6% Elected
  2. Barry Cooper UK Independence Party 702 31.7% Not elected
     
  3. Heather Wallace Conservative 333 15.0% Not elected
     
  4. Lynda Greenhill Labour 258 11.7% Not elected

11:31am

WDC: Wycombe MP Steve Baker has arrived to cast his eye over proceedings. We're expecting the first results from Wycombe in the next 30mins - so hold on to your sun hats.

11:30am

SBDC - UKIP went well again in Stoke Poges & Wexham: Official results as follows:

Trevor Eggleton CON - 1073 votes

John Davis UKIP - 616

John Hunter LAB - 194

Chris Woolley LD - 131

 

No shocks so far...

11:29am

CDC: Rumours circulating here that Patricia Birchley has lost out to UKIP in Chiltern Ridges. Must stress this is just speculation at the moment, with the results still to be officially announced.

11:28am

SBDC - It's another Tory victory in Stoke Poges - Beaconsfield being announced very shortly...

11:28am

Denham

  1. Roger Reed Conservative 942 53.4% Elected
     
  2. Susan Fagan UK Independence Party 657 37.2% Not elected
  3. Jeffrey Herschel Liberal Democrat 166 9.4% Not elected

11:27am

UKIP put up another commendable effort in a north Bucks seat but lose out to the Tories...

Great Brickhill

  1. Janet Blake Conservative 1406 50.4% Elected
  2. Ben Saunders UK Independence Party 1051 37.7% Not elected
  3. Julian Newman Liberal Democrat 330 11.8% Not elected

11:25am

SBDC: DENHAM - Roger Reed is re-elected to the BCC with 942 votes but a good turn out for UKIP who secured 657 votes. Closer than some might have called - Jeffrey Herschel, the Liberal Democrat candidate, won 160 votes

11:25am

Buckingham West

  1. Robin Stuchbury Labour 927 40.0% Elected
     
  2. Patrick Fealey Conservative 884 38.2% Not elected
  3. Sheila Sewell UK Independence Party 385 16.6% Not elected
  4. Lucy Monger Liberal Democrat 119 5.1% Not elected

11:23am

11:23am

SBDC: And the first results are in - it's a tory victory in Denham - results to follow...

11:23am

Details of a first win for Labour at BCC today coming through

11:17am

SBDC: Cllr Adrian Busby, Leader of the SBDC, is keeping his cards close to his chest. His results are usually out first and he had this to say:

"You can never underestimate the competition but I was told I was the only candidate to put out leaflets and the only one banging on doors."

 

11:17am

So here is how it looks in terms of the share of the vote by party so far.

Interesting reading, with UKIP in second, and not a million miles away from the Tories...

Party name    Seats won % of votes
Conservative    4             35.3%
UKIP                1             30.6%
Liberal Democrat 0         19.3%
Labour 0                       12.5%
Green 0                        2.3%
Independent 0               0.0%
Trade Unionists & Socialists Against Cuts 0 0.0%

11:16am

CDC: Results still to be officially confirmed but the word filtering through to us is it's a Labour victory in Chesham.

11:15am

WDC: Katrina Wood (Cons) said she is disappointed with the turnout, which she believes is due to the public being "disillusioned with politics". How do we change that? "Make it compulsory to vote. A lot of people are looking at national politics, and not the local issues.”

11:12am

WDC: Brian Pollock (Lib) is confident the Lib Dems will hold on to their BCC seats in Wycombe but is not expecting his party to make any additional gains.

11:12am

Winslow 

  1. John Chilver Conservative 953 37.1% Elected
  2. Llew Monger Liberal Democrat 841 32.7% Not elected
  3. John Day UK Independence Party 461 17.9% Not elected
  4. Jon Harvey Labour 160 6.2% Not elected
  5. Mary Hunt Green 155 6.0% Not elected

11:11am

UKIP put up a good fight in Aston Clinton & Bierton division but lost out by about three per cent

Aston Clinton & Bierton

Bill Chapple Conservative 1048 39.2% Elected
Nigel Hayward UK Independence Party 975 36.4% Not elected
Jonathan Gilpin Liberal Democrat 428 16.0% Not elected
Martin Abel Labour 224 8.4% Not elected

11:10am

SBDC: Up and live here in Beaconsfield. Quiet atmosphere as counting has begun. Candidates are waiting patiently, cup of tea in one hand, engaging in polite small talk. We'll try and get some of their thoughts soon

11:09am

Former Deputy Leader Bill Chapple has held onto his seat and there is more news of Conservative victories filtering through from the north

11:07am

Aylesbury South East 

 
Brian Roberts Conservative 994 39.9% Elected

Heather Adams UK Independence Party 697 28.0% Not elected
Mark Willis Liberal Democrat 363 14.6% Not elected
David Caldwell Labour 326 13.1% Not elected
Chris Peeler Green 112 4.5% Not elected

11:06am

Buckingham East

Warren Whyte Conservative 838 44.2% Elected
John Russell UK Independence Party 520 27.5% Not elected
Patrick Collins Labour 449 23.7% Not elected
Richard Lloyd Liberal Democrat 87 4.6% Not elected

11:05am

Conservative supporters don't get too downcast though...

News filtering through, again from the north of the county, of TWO Tory victories...

11:04am

So will this be the first UKIP win of many or just a blip?

Big news either way, as the rising party gets its first councillor at BCC

Aylesbury North West

Andy Huxley UK Independence Party 939 44.8% Elected
Niknam Hussain Liberal Democrat 543 25.9% Not elected
Michael Beall Labour 312 14.9% Not elected
Denise Summers Conservative 302 14.4% Not elected

11:02am

CDC: In the meantime we've just had the turnout announced. Overall in the district it was 33.57 per cent. Chiltern Ridges had the highest turnout with 40.28 per cent, in Little Chalfont and Amersham Common it was just 29.44 per cent.

11:01am

11:00am

CDC: The count is now officially underway - results soon hopefully!

10:58am

WDC: The average turn out in Wycombe was 28.75%, it was 40.1% across the whole of Buckinghamshire in 2009.

10:56am

UKIP has got its first Bucks County Councillor - result details to come

10:55am

WDC: Turnouts for each division have been announced, ranging from the highest of 37.28% in Booker, Cressex and Castlefield - to the lowest, 24.16%, in Abbey. 

10:49am

You can keep track of the results by clicking on our election table by clicking HERE.

10:49am

CDC: We're expecting Little Chalfont and Amersham Common - Martin Tett's ward - to be the first result to be announced, but there's still no sign of the current Leader of Bucks County Council here at the count. Chesham and Great Missenden will then follow after that.

10:48am

WDC: I've already spoken to Tony Green (Con - Totteridge & Bowerdean) and Ian Bates (Lab - Hazlemere) who are standing in two of the tightest looking divisions, on paper. A lot of nervous faces pacing around at the moment...

10:45am

WDC: Simon Farr here at Wycombe Sports Centre where, remarkably, the count has already begun!

10:40am

CDC: Chesham’s Lib Dem candidate Alison Pirouet thinks her seat is too close to call. She said: “No work was being done yesterday by any party except in Chesham.

“I’m feeling apprehensive rather than nervous. I couldn’t call it either way, I don’t know what’s going on. There’s too many anomalies.”

She was joined out on the campaign trail yesterday by her son Tom – who was celebrating his 21st birthday.

She also thinks UKIP are a genuine threat at this election - "It'll happen" are her words.

10:29am

CDC: Great Missenden is probably one to keep an eye on as well. At district level the Tories lost the seat to an independent councillor two years ago. It was one of the safest Conservative seats at county level four years ago - Mike Colston polled 65.2 per cent of the votes cast - but it could be a different story this time because of the amount of anger over HS2 in the village.

10:26am

CDC: Chesham is probably going to be a tightly fought contest between two former mayors (Mohammad Bhatti of Labour and Lib Dem Alison Pirouet) and the current deputy, Conservative Mark Shaw, who is likely to take over the chains of office from Colette Littley later this month.

10:24am

CDC: Chesham's current county councillor Mohammad Bhatti is confident of getting 700 to 800 votes. He was elected to the council as a Conservative but defected to Labour last year. At the last election the Labour candidate polled just 130 votes.

10:07am

CDC: The actual count is probably going to start at 11am, once verification is done. And the subsequent coffee break that the counters will no doubt need.

10:05am

CDC: Good morning from Chesham, where verification is underway for the count. I'm told we're expecting our first result here at about 11.15am.

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10:14am Fri 3 May 13

Gaulnut says...

Regarding:
"You can keep track of the results by clicking on our election table (link)."

Can the link be an actual link please.
Regarding: "You can keep track of the results by clicking on our election table (link)." Can the link be an actual link please. Gaulnut

10:20am Fri 3 May 13

Darren Hayday says...

Good luck everyone!
Good luck everyone! Darren Hayday

10:21am Fri 3 May 13

Can I just say..... says...

Is recording the serial number of the voting slip against the name of the voter considered 'normal'? - I think this destroys the 'anonymous' aspect of voting..
Is recording the serial number of the voting slip against the name of the voter considered 'normal'? - I think this destroys the 'anonymous' aspect of voting.. Can I just say.....

10:26am Fri 3 May 13

Mr Totterdge Hill says...

Hope there will be other ways to keep up to date... I don't tweet.

The only things that tweet on "The Hill" normally have mouths full of seeds, bread, maggots and other critters and are feathered.
Hope there will be other ways to keep up to date... I don't tweet. The only things that tweet on "The Hill" normally have mouths full of seeds, bread, maggots and other critters and are feathered. Mr Totterdge Hill

10:31am Fri 3 May 13

philbo says...

Can I just say..... wrote:
Is recording the serial number of the voting slip against the name of the voter considered 'normal'? - I think this destroys the 'anonymous' aspect of voting..
It has always been done like that: while it is theoretically possible to work out how a person voted, it requires access to two different paper systems, which isn't entirely straightforward; it's also not nicely indexed.

It's a secret ballot only so far as people don't have the time & access to go trawling through the data.
[quote][p][bold]Can I just say.....[/bold] wrote: Is recording the serial number of the voting slip against the name of the voter considered 'normal'? - I think this destroys the 'anonymous' aspect of voting..[/p][/quote]It has always been done like that: while it is theoretically possible to work out how a person voted, it requires access to two different paper systems, which isn't entirely straightforward; it's also not nicely indexed. It's a secret ballot only so far as people don't have the time & access to go trawling through the data. philbo

10:37am Fri 3 May 13

Can I just say..... says...

So its not secret then - is that legal?
So its not secret then - is that legal? Can I just say.....

10:47am Fri 3 May 13

I know who I am says...

It would be helpful if there was a link
It would be helpful if there was a link I know who I am

10:52am Fri 3 May 13

Can I just say..... says...

I thought a secret ballot is just that - secret.

If there is a way to link a voting slip to an individual voter, surely the ballot cannot be called secret?
I thought a secret ballot is just that - secret. If there is a way to link a voting slip to an individual voter, surely the ballot cannot be called secret? Can I just say.....

11:28am Fri 3 May 13

philbo says...

Can I just say..... wrote:
So its not secret then - is that legal?
This explains it better than I could:
http://www.hart.gov.
uk/index/your_counci
l/democracy_election
s/even_more_about_el
ections/is_my_vote_s
ecret.htm
[quote][p][bold]Can I just say.....[/bold] wrote: So its not secret then - is that legal?[/p][/quote]This explains it better than I could: http://www.hart.gov. uk/index/your_counci l/democracy_election s/even_more_about_el ections/is_my_vote_s ecret.htm philbo

12:06pm Fri 3 May 13

YouDontNeedToKnow says...

So glad Chaudhary Ditta has won! :) Needed a reliable person to represent the community and he is just that!
So glad Chaudhary Ditta has won! :) Needed a reliable person to represent the community and he is just that! YouDontNeedToKnow

12:23pm Fri 3 May 13

Can I just say..... says...

@philbo - thanks, that helped a bit

So the ballot itself is not secret, instead, the details are 'kept' secret by a set of rules...

And we all know rules never get broken or abused......

One wonders why the slip's serial number would be recorded against a voter's name in the first place if the ballot is intended to be secret?

Oh well, if everyone else is happy with the status quo...
@philbo - thanks, that helped a bit So the ballot itself is not secret, instead, the details are 'kept' secret by a set of rules... And we all know rules never get broken or abused...... One wonders why the slip's serial number would be recorded against a voter's name in the first place if the ballot is intended to be secret? Oh well, if everyone else is happy with the status quo... Can I just say.....

1:19pm Fri 3 May 13

Steve_Guy says...

Have to say 'fair play' to Darren Hayday. Taking a County division as an independent is no mean achievement
Have to say 'fair play' to Darren Hayday. Taking a County division as an independent is no mean achievement Steve_Guy

1:32pm Fri 3 May 13

FarleyUK says...

I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude.

Eurgh.
I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh. FarleyUK

1:49pm Fri 3 May 13

Catflap says...

FarleyUK wrote:
I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.
i agree, i don't understand the motivation of moving Matt out of Micklefield and putting Julia in.
also if Trevor Snaith has not been elected does he automatically loose his right to be Mayor. The headline says soon to be Mayor
[quote][p][bold]FarleyUK[/bold] wrote: I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.[/p][/quote]i agree, i don't understand the motivation of moving Matt out of Micklefield and putting Julia in. also if Trevor Snaith has not been elected does he automatically loose his right to be Mayor. The headline says soon to be Mayor Catflap

1:53pm Fri 3 May 13

Steve_Guy says...

Catflap wrote:
FarleyUK wrote: I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.
i agree, i don't understand the motivation of moving Matt out of Micklefield and putting Julia in. also if Trevor Snaith has not been elected does he automatically loose his right to be Mayor. The headline says soon to be Mayor
You are getting 'District' and 'County' mixed up, I'm afraid. Julia was always a County Councillor in Micklefield (although the boundaries have now changed). Matt is one of your District councillors along with Paula Lee. Trevor has to be a District councillor to be eligible to be Mayor - and still is.
[quote][p][bold]Catflap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FarleyUK[/bold] wrote: I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.[/p][/quote]i agree, i don't understand the motivation of moving Matt out of Micklefield and putting Julia in. also if Trevor Snaith has not been elected does he automatically loose his right to be Mayor. The headline says soon to be Mayor[/p][/quote]You are getting 'District' and 'County' mixed up, I'm afraid. Julia was always a County Councillor in Micklefield (although the boundaries have now changed). Matt is one of your District councillors along with Paula Lee. Trevor has to be a District councillor to be eligible to be Mayor - and still is. Steve_Guy

1:56pm Fri 3 May 13

Steve_Guy says...

FarleyUK wrote:
I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.
There are quite a large number of divisions where you could but a blue rosette on a donkey, and it would probably still win. That is the nature of the First Past The Post system
[quote][p][bold]FarleyUK[/bold] wrote: I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.[/p][/quote]There are quite a large number of divisions where you could but a blue rosette on a donkey, and it would probably still win. That is the nature of the First Past The Post system Steve_Guy

2:01pm Fri 3 May 13

Nicki. says...

Does anyone know which of the sections on the list of results Stokenchurch comes under? Thanks
Does anyone know which of the sections on the list of results Stokenchurch comes under? Thanks Nicki.

2:11pm Fri 3 May 13

Gerry47 says...

Why do we bother to vote around here ? The Conservatives always win, always have, always will. You people vote Consersvative because that's what you always do, what your parents and grandparents always did, and no doubt your children and Grand children will always do as well.

My cat would get elected if he was wearing a blue rosette !
Why do we bother to vote around here ? The Conservatives always win, always have, always will. You people vote Consersvative because that's what you always do, what your parents and grandparents always did, and no doubt your children and Grand children will always do as well. My cat would get elected if he was wearing a blue rosette ! Gerry47

4:40pm Fri 3 May 13

Scarletto says...

It's often been said that in Bucks you could put up a group of stuffed chimps with blue rosettes and they would almost all be elected as councillors or MPs.
But let us all go down now and thank the Lord that UKIP have not swept to power here and at least we've got some Conservative and Lib Dem councillors with ample experience of local government, even if we might bitterly disagree with some of the things they do.
If there had been a fluke and bizarre majority of UKIP councillors they would on first day at County Hall been milling around scratching their heads, or even rears, about what the they should do. Many with different, or no, views on remedies for Bucks. They are a one topic ("get us out of Europe") party and apparently care little about governance of our local key services.
Some of course are embittered Conservatives upset by Dave Cameron and Co. Just when we thought things couldn't get worse in the middle of our shaky recession then along comes Nige with a pint and his chums.
It's often been said that in Bucks you could put up a group of stuffed chimps with blue rosettes and they would almost all be elected as councillors or MPs. But let us all go down now and thank the Lord that UKIP have not swept to power here and at least we've got some Conservative and Lib Dem councillors with ample experience of local government, even if we might bitterly disagree with some of the things they do. If there had been a fluke and bizarre majority of UKIP councillors they would on first day at County Hall been milling around scratching their heads, or even rears, about what the they should do. Many with different, or no, views on remedies for Bucks. They are a one topic ("get us out of Europe") party and apparently care little about governance of our local key services. Some of course are embittered Conservatives upset by Dave Cameron and Co. Just when we thought things couldn't get worse in the middle of our shaky recession then along comes Nige with a pint and his chums. Scarletto

6:52pm Fri 3 May 13

Mr Totterdge Hill says...

I do hope they check this out... I mean the ignorant chump Ditta by such a margin... I smell a rat.
I do hope they check this out... I mean the ignorant chump Ditta by such a margin... I smell a rat. Mr Totterdge Hill

7:16pm Fri 3 May 13

williamjames says...

FarleyUK wrote:
I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.
Has FarleyUK met Lesley Clarke and can justify his/her statement " From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work" or is it repetition of malicious gossip?
Lesley Clarke's written statement was delivered to all the houses, appartments and flats in Abbey except those that are behind security gates.
If you are so disgusted why not do the work and get elected yourself.
[quote][p][bold]FarleyUK[/bold] wrote: I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.[/p][/quote]Has FarleyUK met Lesley Clarke and can justify his/her statement " From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work" or is it repetition of malicious gossip? Lesley Clarke's written statement was delivered to all the houses, appartments and flats in Abbey except those that are behind security gates. If you are so disgusted why not do the work and get elected yourself. williamjames

7:52pm Fri 3 May 13

demoness the second says...

@ Darren Hayday.
I really do think you talk a load of old tosh most of the time.. BUT I admire you for having the courage of your convictions and standing as an independent.I admire that far more than certain other mealy mouthed councillors who ran away to the Lib dems when they realised they were on a losing wicket with Labour - that to me is pathetic, It takes far more guts to stand alone.
Good on you... and I hope you serve your constituents well!
@ Darren Hayday. I really do think you talk a load of old tosh most of the time.. BUT I admire you for having the courage of your convictions and standing as an independent.I admire that far more than certain other mealy mouthed councillors who ran away to the Lib dems when they realised they were on a losing wicket with Labour - that to me is pathetic, It takes far more guts to stand alone. Good on you... and I hope you serve your constituents well! demoness the second

10:14pm Fri 3 May 13

Franke says...

Well done Darren - the only candidate I am aware of who actually campaigned strongly in the ward. You took the time, made the effort and got there - now we leave it to you to represent the ward in the same fashion - good luck.
Well done Darren - the only candidate I am aware of who actually campaigned strongly in the ward. You took the time, made the effort and got there - now we leave it to you to represent the ward in the same fashion - good luck. Franke

12:20am Sat 4 May 13

YouDontNeedToKnow says...

Mr Totterdge Hill wrote:
YouDontNeedToKnow wrote:
So glad Chaudhary Ditta has won! :) Needed a reliable person to represent the community and he is just that!
You ever been into his shop?
Treat's his customers like crap... always on the phone and won't even tell you the cost of your purchase, you've to look at the till whilst he's still too busy on the phone.
Not even a thank you or have a nice day as you leave because he's STILL on the phone.
I think your being incredibly rude.. He has done a lot for the community, what he does in his own shop is his business... So don't be going around calling him an idiot. He's a very lovely person once you get to know him!! He won coz people liked and voted for him..so what you say doesn't really make much of a difference!
[quote][p][bold]Mr Totterdge Hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YouDontNeedToKnow[/bold] wrote: So glad Chaudhary Ditta has won! :) Needed a reliable person to represent the community and he is just that![/p][/quote]You ever been into his shop? Treat's his customers like crap... always on the phone and won't even tell you the cost of your purchase, you've to look at the till whilst he's still too busy on the phone. Not even a thank you or have a nice day as you leave because he's STILL on the phone.[/p][/quote]I think your being incredibly rude.. He has done a lot for the community, what he does in his own shop is his business... So don't be going around calling him an idiot. He's a very lovely person once you get to know him!! He won coz people liked and voted for him..so what you say doesn't really make much of a difference! YouDontNeedToKnow

12:28am Sat 4 May 13

New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence says...

philbo wrote:
Can I just say..... wrote:
Is recording the serial number of the voting slip against the name of the voter considered 'normal'? - I think this destroys the 'anonymous' aspect of voting..
It has always been done like that: while it is theoretically possible to work out how a person voted, it requires access to two different paper systems, which isn't entirely straightforward; it's also not nicely indexed.

It's a secret ballot only so far as people don't have the time &amp; access to go trawling through the data.
There was a correspondence about this some years ago in I think the Guardian.

The ballot papers are like raffle tickets - the counterfoil and the ballot paper can be matched with each other after the election as they have the same number on them.

If you have been to a count after a poll you will know that the Conservative and Labour or whatever are counted into bundles for each candidate and for convenience sake are left like that - if you have a pile one metre in height for one candidate and 20mm for another one there is no doubt who the winner is. After the poll the boxes are kept for some months with the bundles of ballots in them and if there are allegations of ballot rigging it is possible to open the ballot boxes and see if the vote recorded on a ballot paper is the one cast by the person whose name appears on the counterfoil to the ballot paper. If there are no such allegations the ballot papers are destroyed after some time.

The other thing is always denied - if you have a violent revolutionary organisation standing for election someone comes round on behalf of the Secret Intelligence Services after the poll and sees who voted for them - they compare the number on the ballot papers with numbers on the counterfoils and discover the identity of people voting for say the Wooburn Taliban party and then keep an eye on them in case they are plotting something really naughty for the future.
[quote][p][bold]philbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Can I just say.....[/bold] wrote: Is recording the serial number of the voting slip against the name of the voter considered 'normal'? - I think this destroys the 'anonymous' aspect of voting..[/p][/quote]It has always been done like that: while it is theoretically possible to work out how a person voted, it requires access to two different paper systems, which isn't entirely straightforward; it's also not nicely indexed. It's a secret ballot only so far as people don't have the time & access to go trawling through the data.[/p][/quote]There was a correspondence about this some years ago in I think the Guardian. The ballot papers are like raffle tickets - the counterfoil and the ballot paper can be matched with each other after the election as they have the same number on them. If you have been to a count after a poll you will know that the Conservative and Labour or whatever are counted into bundles for each candidate and for convenience sake are left like that - if you have a pile one metre in height for one candidate and 20mm for another one there is no doubt who the winner is. After the poll the boxes are kept for some months with the bundles of ballots in them and if there are allegations of ballot rigging it is possible to open the ballot boxes and see if the vote recorded on a ballot paper is the one cast by the person whose name appears on the counterfoil to the ballot paper. If there are no such allegations the ballot papers are destroyed after some time. The other thing is always denied - if you have a violent revolutionary organisation standing for election someone comes round on behalf of the Secret Intelligence Services after the poll and sees who voted for them - they compare the number on the ballot papers with numbers on the counterfoils and discover the identity of people voting for say the Wooburn Taliban party and then keep an eye on them in case they are plotting something [italic]really[/italic] naughty for the future. New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence

12:31am Sat 4 May 13

New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence says...

YouDontNeedToKnow wrote:
So glad Chaudhary Ditta has won! :) Needed a reliable person to represent the community and he is just that!
People who stand for election are - through that fact itself - not reliable or suitable to represent the community.
[quote][p][bold]YouDontNeedToKnow[/bold] wrote: So glad Chaudhary Ditta has won! :) Needed a reliable person to represent the community and he is just that![/p][/quote]People who stand for election are - through that fact itself - not reliable or suitable to represent the community. New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence

12:32am Sat 4 May 13

New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence says...

Gerry47 wrote:
Why do we bother to vote around here ? The Conservatives always win, always have, always will. You people vote Consersvative because that's what you always do, what your parents and grandparents always did, and no doubt your children and Grand children will always do as well.

My cat would get elected if he was wearing a blue rosette !
My dog too if he were still alive!
[quote][p][bold]Gerry47[/bold] wrote: Why do we bother to vote around here ? The Conservatives always win, always have, always will. You people vote Consersvative because that's what you always do, what your parents and grandparents always did, and no doubt your children and Grand children will always do as well. My cat would get elected if he was wearing a blue rosette ![/p][/quote]My dog too if he were still alive! New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence

12:33am Sat 4 May 13

New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence says...

Steve_Guy wrote:
Have to say 'fair play' to Darren Hayday. Taking a County division as an independent is no mean achievement
I would say 'well done!'
[quote][p][bold]Steve_Guy[/bold] wrote: Have to say 'fair play' to Darren Hayday. Taking a County division as an independent is no mean achievement[/p][/quote]I would say 'well done!' New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence

12:39am Sat 4 May 13

New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence says...

williamjames wrote:
FarleyUK wrote:
I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.
Has FarleyUK met Lesley Clarke and can justify his/her statement &quot; From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work" or is it repetition of malicious gossip?
Lesley Clarke's written statement was delivered to all the houses, appartments and flats in Abbey except those that are behind security gates.
If you are so disgusted why not do the work and get elected yourself.
'FarleyUK' may have in mind reports of a certain Community Stadium and Sports Village.
[quote][p][bold]williamjames[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FarleyUK[/bold] wrote: I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.[/p][/quote]Has FarleyUK met Lesley Clarke and can justify his/her statement " From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work" or is it repetition of malicious gossip? Lesley Clarke's written statement was delivered to all the houses, appartments and flats in Abbey except those that are behind security gates. If you are so disgusted why not do the work and get elected yourself.[/p][/quote]'FarleyUK' may have in mind reports of a certain Community Stadium and Sports Village. New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence

8:23am Sat 4 May 13

tom.marlow2 says...

New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence wrote:
philbo wrote:
Can I just say..... wrote:
Is recording the serial number of the voting slip against the name of the voter considered 'normal'? - I think this destroys the 'anonymous' aspect of voting..
It has always been done like that: while it is theoretically possible to work out how a person voted, it requires access to two different paper systems, which isn't entirely straightforward; it's also not nicely indexed.

It's a secret ballot only so far as people don't have the time &amp; access to go trawling through the data.
There was a correspondence about this some years ago in I think the Guardian.

The ballot papers are like raffle tickets - the counterfoil and the ballot paper can be matched with each other after the election as they have the same number on them.

If you have been to a count after a poll you will know that the Conservative and Labour or whatever are counted into bundles for each candidate and for convenience sake are left like that - if you have a pile one metre in height for one candidate and 20mm for another one there is no doubt who the winner is. After the poll the boxes are kept for some months with the bundles of ballots in them and if there are allegations of ballot rigging it is possible to open the ballot boxes and see if the vote recorded on a ballot paper is the one cast by the person whose name appears on the counterfoil to the ballot paper. If there are no such allegations the ballot papers are destroyed after some time.

The other thing is always denied - if you have a violent revolutionary organisation standing for election someone comes round on behalf of the Secret Intelligence Services after the poll and sees who voted for them - they compare the number on the ballot papers with numbers on the counterfoils and discover the identity of people voting for say the Wooburn Taliban party and then keep an eye on them in case they are plotting something really naughty for the future.
That was generally assumed to be true back in the 1970s and 80s when there seemed to be a lot more fringe candidates. Not necessarily violent extremists, but anti various things that the governments of the time were doing.

There don't seem to be so many these days, or maybe its just that they don't have them in Marlow.

Anyway I've always assumed it to be true, and realistically if the security services are not doing it then they are not doing their job properly.
[quote][p][bold]New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]philbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Can I just say.....[/bold] wrote: Is recording the serial number of the voting slip against the name of the voter considered 'normal'? - I think this destroys the 'anonymous' aspect of voting..[/p][/quote]It has always been done like that: while it is theoretically possible to work out how a person voted, it requires access to two different paper systems, which isn't entirely straightforward; it's also not nicely indexed. It's a secret ballot only so far as people don't have the time & access to go trawling through the data.[/p][/quote]There was a correspondence about this some years ago in I think the Guardian. The ballot papers are like raffle tickets - the counterfoil and the ballot paper can be matched with each other after the election as they have the same number on them. If you have been to a count after a poll you will know that the Conservative and Labour or whatever are counted into bundles for each candidate and for convenience sake are left like that - if you have a pile one metre in height for one candidate and 20mm for another one there is no doubt who the winner is. After the poll the boxes are kept for some months with the bundles of ballots in them and if there are allegations of ballot rigging it is possible to open the ballot boxes and see if the vote recorded on a ballot paper is the one cast by the person whose name appears on the counterfoil to the ballot paper. If there are no such allegations the ballot papers are destroyed after some time. The other thing is always denied - if you have a violent revolutionary organisation standing for election someone comes round on behalf of the Secret Intelligence Services after the poll and sees who voted for them - they compare the number on the ballot papers with numbers on the counterfoils and discover the identity of people voting for say the Wooburn Taliban party and then keep an eye on them in case they are plotting something [italic]really[/italic] naughty for the future.[/p][/quote]That was generally assumed to be true back in the 1970s and 80s when there seemed to be a lot more fringe candidates. Not necessarily violent extremists, but anti various things that the governments of the time were doing. There don't seem to be so many these days, or maybe its just that they don't have them in Marlow. Anyway I've always assumed it to be true, and realistically if the security services are not doing it then they are not doing their job properly. tom.marlow2

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