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  • THE winners and losers of the Bucks County Council elections are coming through thick and fast.
  • 49 seats are up for grabs.
  • UKIP, in line with national trends, is having a successful day, with six winners so far.
  • Simon Farr (posts marked WDC) is reporting live from the Wycombe count at Wycombe Sports Centre.
  • Andy Carswell (CDC) is blogging from Chiltern at Chesham Leisure Centre.
  • Stephen Walter (SBDC) has been sending reports from South Bucks at Curzon Centre, Beaconsfield.
  • Join in by leaving your comments below or on Twitter by using the hashtag #bfpelections.

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10:14am Fri 3 May 13

Gaulnut says...

Regarding:
"You can keep track of the results by clicking on our election table (link)."

Can the link be an actual link please.
Regarding: "You can keep track of the results by clicking on our election table (link)." Can the link be an actual link please. Gaulnut
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10:20am Fri 3 May 13

Darren Hayday says...

Good luck everyone!
Good luck everyone! Darren Hayday
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10:21am Fri 3 May 13

Can I just say..... says...

Is recording the serial number of the voting slip against the name of the voter considered 'normal'? - I think this destroys the 'anonymous' aspect of voting..
Is recording the serial number of the voting slip against the name of the voter considered 'normal'? - I think this destroys the 'anonymous' aspect of voting.. Can I just say.....
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10:26am Fri 3 May 13

Mr Totterdge Hill says...

Hope there will be other ways to keep up to date... I don't tweet.

The only things that tweet on "The Hill" normally have mouths full of seeds, bread, maggots and other critters and are feathered.
Hope there will be other ways to keep up to date... I don't tweet. The only things that tweet on "The Hill" normally have mouths full of seeds, bread, maggots and other critters and are feathered. Mr Totterdge Hill
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10:31am Fri 3 May 13

philbo says...

Can I just say..... wrote:
Is recording the serial number of the voting slip against the name of the voter considered 'normal'? - I think this destroys the 'anonymous' aspect of voting..
It has always been done like that: while it is theoretically possible to work out how a person voted, it requires access to two different paper systems, which isn't entirely straightforward; it's also not nicely indexed.

It's a secret ballot only so far as people don't have the time & access to go trawling through the data.
[quote][p][bold]Can I just say.....[/bold] wrote: Is recording the serial number of the voting slip against the name of the voter considered 'normal'? - I think this destroys the 'anonymous' aspect of voting..[/p][/quote]It has always been done like that: while it is theoretically possible to work out how a person voted, it requires access to two different paper systems, which isn't entirely straightforward; it's also not nicely indexed. It's a secret ballot only so far as people don't have the time & access to go trawling through the data. philbo
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10:37am Fri 3 May 13

Can I just say..... says...

So its not secret then - is that legal?
So its not secret then - is that legal? Can I just say.....
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10:47am Fri 3 May 13

I know who I am says...

It would be helpful if there was a link
It would be helpful if there was a link I know who I am
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10:52am Fri 3 May 13

Can I just say..... says...

I thought a secret ballot is just that - secret.

If there is a way to link a voting slip to an individual voter, surely the ballot cannot be called secret?
I thought a secret ballot is just that - secret. If there is a way to link a voting slip to an individual voter, surely the ballot cannot be called secret? Can I just say.....
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11:28am Fri 3 May 13

philbo says...

Can I just say..... wrote:
So its not secret then - is that legal?
This explains it better than I could:
http://www.hart.gov.
uk/index/your_counci
l/democracy_election
s/even_more_about_el
ections/is_my_vote_s
ecret.htm
[quote][p][bold]Can I just say.....[/bold] wrote: So its not secret then - is that legal?[/p][/quote]This explains it better than I could: http://www.hart.gov. uk/index/your_counci l/democracy_election s/even_more_about_el ections/is_my_vote_s ecret.htm philbo
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12:06pm Fri 3 May 13

YouDontNeedToKnow says...

So glad Chaudhary Ditta has won! :) Needed a reliable person to represent the community and he is just that!
So glad Chaudhary Ditta has won! :) Needed a reliable person to represent the community and he is just that! YouDontNeedToKnow
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12:23pm Fri 3 May 13

Can I just say..... says...

@philbo - thanks, that helped a bit

So the ballot itself is not secret, instead, the details are 'kept' secret by a set of rules...

And we all know rules never get broken or abused......

One wonders why the slip's serial number would be recorded against a voter's name in the first place if the ballot is intended to be secret?

Oh well, if everyone else is happy with the status quo...
@philbo - thanks, that helped a bit So the ballot itself is not secret, instead, the details are 'kept' secret by a set of rules... And we all know rules never get broken or abused...... One wonders why the slip's serial number would be recorded against a voter's name in the first place if the ballot is intended to be secret? Oh well, if everyone else is happy with the status quo... Can I just say.....
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1:19pm Fri 3 May 13

Steve_Guy says...

Have to say 'fair play' to Darren Hayday. Taking a County division as an independent is no mean achievement
Have to say 'fair play' to Darren Hayday. Taking a County division as an independent is no mean achievement Steve_Guy
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1:32pm Fri 3 May 13

FarleyUK says...

I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude.

Eurgh.
I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh. FarleyUK
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1:49pm Fri 3 May 13

Catflap says...

FarleyUK wrote:
I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.
i agree, i don't understand the motivation of moving Matt out of Micklefield and putting Julia in.
also if Trevor Snaith has not been elected does he automatically loose his right to be Mayor. The headline says soon to be Mayor
[quote][p][bold]FarleyUK[/bold] wrote: I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.[/p][/quote]i agree, i don't understand the motivation of moving Matt out of Micklefield and putting Julia in. also if Trevor Snaith has not been elected does he automatically loose his right to be Mayor. The headline says soon to be Mayor Catflap
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1:53pm Fri 3 May 13

Steve_Guy says...

Catflap wrote:
FarleyUK wrote: I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.
i agree, i don't understand the motivation of moving Matt out of Micklefield and putting Julia in. also if Trevor Snaith has not been elected does he automatically loose his right to be Mayor. The headline says soon to be Mayor
You are getting 'District' and 'County' mixed up, I'm afraid. Julia was always a County Councillor in Micklefield (although the boundaries have now changed). Matt is one of your District councillors along with Paula Lee. Trevor has to be a District councillor to be eligible to be Mayor - and still is.
[quote][p][bold]Catflap[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FarleyUK[/bold] wrote: I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.[/p][/quote]i agree, i don't understand the motivation of moving Matt out of Micklefield and putting Julia in. also if Trevor Snaith has not been elected does he automatically loose his right to be Mayor. The headline says soon to be Mayor[/p][/quote]You are getting 'District' and 'County' mixed up, I'm afraid. Julia was always a County Councillor in Micklefield (although the boundaries have now changed). Matt is one of your District councillors along with Paula Lee. Trevor has to be a District councillor to be eligible to be Mayor - and still is. Steve_Guy
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1:56pm Fri 3 May 13

Steve_Guy says...

FarleyUK wrote:
I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.
There are quite a large number of divisions where you could but a blue rosette on a donkey, and it would probably still win. That is the nature of the First Past The Post system
[quote][p][bold]FarleyUK[/bold] wrote: I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.[/p][/quote]There are quite a large number of divisions where you could but a blue rosette on a donkey, and it would probably still win. That is the nature of the First Past The Post system Steve_Guy
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2:01pm Fri 3 May 13

Nicki. says...

Does anyone know which of the sections on the list of results Stokenchurch comes under? Thanks
Does anyone know which of the sections on the list of results Stokenchurch comes under? Thanks Nicki.
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2:11pm Fri 3 May 13

Gerry47 says...

Why do we bother to vote around here ? The Conservatives always win, always have, always will. You people vote Consersvative because that's what you always do, what your parents and grandparents always did, and no doubt your children and Grand children will always do as well.

My cat would get elected if he was wearing a blue rosette !
Why do we bother to vote around here ? The Conservatives always win, always have, always will. You people vote Consersvative because that's what you always do, what your parents and grandparents always did, and no doubt your children and Grand children will always do as well. My cat would get elected if he was wearing a blue rosette ! Gerry47
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4:40pm Fri 3 May 13

Scarletto says...

It's often been said that in Bucks you could put up a group of stuffed chimps with blue rosettes and they would almost all be elected as councillors or MPs.
But let us all go down now and thank the Lord that UKIP have not swept to power here and at least we've got some Conservative and Lib Dem councillors with ample experience of local government, even if we might bitterly disagree with some of the things they do.
If there had been a fluke and bizarre majority of UKIP councillors they would on first day at County Hall been milling around scratching their heads, or even rears, about what the they should do. Many with different, or no, views on remedies for Bucks. They are a one topic ("get us out of Europe") party and apparently care little about governance of our local key services.
Some of course are embittered Conservatives upset by Dave Cameron and Co. Just when we thought things couldn't get worse in the middle of our shaky recession then along comes Nige with a pint and his chums.
It's often been said that in Bucks you could put up a group of stuffed chimps with blue rosettes and they would almost all be elected as councillors or MPs. But let us all go down now and thank the Lord that UKIP have not swept to power here and at least we've got some Conservative and Lib Dem councillors with ample experience of local government, even if we might bitterly disagree with some of the things they do. If there had been a fluke and bizarre majority of UKIP councillors they would on first day at County Hall been milling around scratching their heads, or even rears, about what the they should do. Many with different, or no, views on remedies for Bucks. They are a one topic ("get us out of Europe") party and apparently care little about governance of our local key services. Some of course are embittered Conservatives upset by Dave Cameron and Co. Just when we thought things couldn't get worse in the middle of our shaky recession then along comes Nige with a pint and his chums. Scarletto
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6:52pm Fri 3 May 13

Mr Totterdge Hill says...

I do hope they check this out... I mean the ignorant chump Ditta by such a margin... I smell a rat.
I do hope they check this out... I mean the ignorant chump Ditta by such a margin... I smell a rat. Mr Totterdge Hill
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7:16pm Fri 3 May 13

williamjames says...

FarleyUK wrote:
I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.
Has FarleyUK met Lesley Clarke and can justify his/her statement " From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work" or is it repetition of malicious gossip?
Lesley Clarke's written statement was delivered to all the houses, appartments and flats in Abbey except those that are behind security gates.
If you are so disgusted why not do the work and get elected yourself.
[quote][p][bold]FarleyUK[/bold] wrote: I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.[/p][/quote]Has FarleyUK met Lesley Clarke and can justify his/her statement " From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work" or is it repetition of malicious gossip? Lesley Clarke's written statement was delivered to all the houses, appartments and flats in Abbey except those that are behind security gates. If you are so disgusted why not do the work and get elected yourself. williamjames
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7:52pm Fri 3 May 13

demoness the second says...

@ Darren Hayday.
I really do think you talk a load of old tosh most of the time.. BUT I admire you for having the courage of your convictions and standing as an independent.I admire that far more than certain other mealy mouthed councillors who ran away to the Lib dems when they realised they were on a losing wicket with Labour - that to me is pathetic, It takes far more guts to stand alone.
Good on you... and I hope you serve your constituents well!
@ Darren Hayday. I really do think you talk a load of old tosh most of the time.. BUT I admire you for having the courage of your convictions and standing as an independent.I admire that far more than certain other mealy mouthed councillors who ran away to the Lib dems when they realised they were on a losing wicket with Labour - that to me is pathetic, It takes far more guts to stand alone. Good on you... and I hope you serve your constituents well! demoness the second
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10:14pm Fri 3 May 13

Franke says...

Well done Darren - the only candidate I am aware of who actually campaigned strongly in the ward. You took the time, made the effort and got there - now we leave it to you to represent the ward in the same fashion - good luck.
Well done Darren - the only candidate I am aware of who actually campaigned strongly in the ward. You took the time, made the effort and got there - now we leave it to you to represent the ward in the same fashion - good luck. Franke
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12:20am Sat 4 May 13

YouDontNeedToKnow says...

Mr Totterdge Hill wrote:
YouDontNeedToKnow wrote:
So glad Chaudhary Ditta has won! :) Needed a reliable person to represent the community and he is just that!
You ever been into his shop?
Treat's his customers like crap... always on the phone and won't even tell you the cost of your purchase, you've to look at the till whilst he's still too busy on the phone.
Not even a thank you or have a nice day as you leave because he's STILL on the phone.
I think your being incredibly rude.. He has done a lot for the community, what he does in his own shop is his business... So don't be going around calling him an idiot. He's a very lovely person once you get to know him!! He won coz people liked and voted for him..so what you say doesn't really make much of a difference!
[quote][p][bold]Mr Totterdge Hill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YouDontNeedToKnow[/bold] wrote: So glad Chaudhary Ditta has won! :) Needed a reliable person to represent the community and he is just that![/p][/quote]You ever been into his shop? Treat's his customers like crap... always on the phone and won't even tell you the cost of your purchase, you've to look at the till whilst he's still too busy on the phone. Not even a thank you or have a nice day as you leave because he's STILL on the phone.[/p][/quote]I think your being incredibly rude.. He has done a lot for the community, what he does in his own shop is his business... So don't be going around calling him an idiot. He's a very lovely person once you get to know him!! He won coz people liked and voted for him..so what you say doesn't really make much of a difference! YouDontNeedToKnow
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12:28am Sat 4 May 13

New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence says...

philbo wrote:
Can I just say..... wrote:
Is recording the serial number of the voting slip against the name of the voter considered 'normal'? - I think this destroys the 'anonymous' aspect of voting..
It has always been done like that: while it is theoretically possible to work out how a person voted, it requires access to two different paper systems, which isn't entirely straightforward; it's also not nicely indexed.

It's a secret ballot only so far as people don't have the time & access to go trawling through the data.
There was a correspondence about this some years ago in I think the Guardian.

The ballot papers are like raffle tickets - the counterfoil and the ballot paper can be matched with each other after the election as they have the same number on them.

If you have been to a count after a poll you will know that the Conservative and Labour or whatever are counted into bundles for each candidate and for convenience sake are left like that - if you have a pile one metre in height for one candidate and 20mm for another one there is no doubt who the winner is. After the poll the boxes are kept for some months with the bundles of ballots in them and if there are allegations of ballot rigging it is possible to open the ballot boxes and see if the vote recorded on a ballot paper is the one cast by the person whose name appears on the counterfoil to the ballot paper. If there are no such allegations the ballot papers are destroyed after some time.

The other thing is always denied - if you have a violent revolutionary organisation standing for election someone comes round on behalf of the Secret Intelligence Services after the poll and sees who voted for them - they compare the number on the ballot papers with numbers on the counterfoils and discover the identity of people voting for say the Wooburn Taliban party and then keep an eye on them in case they are plotting something really naughty for the future.
[quote][p][bold]philbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Can I just say.....[/bold] wrote: Is recording the serial number of the voting slip against the name of the voter considered 'normal'? - I think this destroys the 'anonymous' aspect of voting..[/p][/quote]It has always been done like that: while it is theoretically possible to work out how a person voted, it requires access to two different paper systems, which isn't entirely straightforward; it's also not nicely indexed. It's a secret ballot only so far as people don't have the time & access to go trawling through the data.[/p][/quote]There was a correspondence about this some years ago in I think the Guardian. The ballot papers are like raffle tickets - the counterfoil and the ballot paper can be matched with each other after the election as they have the same number on them. If you have been to a count after a poll you will know that the Conservative and Labour or whatever are counted into bundles for each candidate and for convenience sake are left like that - if you have a pile one metre in height for one candidate and 20mm for another one there is no doubt who the winner is. After the poll the boxes are kept for some months with the bundles of ballots in them and if there are allegations of ballot rigging it is possible to open the ballot boxes and see if the vote recorded on a ballot paper is the one cast by the person whose name appears on the counterfoil to the ballot paper. If there are no such allegations the ballot papers are destroyed after some time. The other thing is always denied - if you have a violent revolutionary organisation standing for election someone comes round on behalf of the Secret Intelligence Services after the poll and sees who voted for them - they compare the number on the ballot papers with numbers on the counterfoils and discover the identity of people voting for say the Wooburn Taliban party and then keep an eye on them in case they are plotting something [italic]really[/italic] naughty for the future. New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence
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12:31am Sat 4 May 13

New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence says...

YouDontNeedToKnow wrote:
So glad Chaudhary Ditta has won! :) Needed a reliable person to represent the community and he is just that!
People who stand for election are - through that fact itself - not reliable or suitable to represent the community.
[quote][p][bold]YouDontNeedToKnow[/bold] wrote: So glad Chaudhary Ditta has won! :) Needed a reliable person to represent the community and he is just that![/p][/quote]People who stand for election are - through that fact itself - not reliable or suitable to represent the community. New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence
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12:32am Sat 4 May 13

New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence says...

Gerry47 wrote:
Why do we bother to vote around here ? The Conservatives always win, always have, always will. You people vote Consersvative because that's what you always do, what your parents and grandparents always did, and no doubt your children and Grand children will always do as well.

My cat would get elected if he was wearing a blue rosette !
My dog too if he were still alive!
[quote][p][bold]Gerry47[/bold] wrote: Why do we bother to vote around here ? The Conservatives always win, always have, always will. You people vote Consersvative because that's what you always do, what your parents and grandparents always did, and no doubt your children and Grand children will always do as well. My cat would get elected if he was wearing a blue rosette ![/p][/quote]My dog too if he were still alive! New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence
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12:33am Sat 4 May 13

New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence says...

Steve_Guy wrote:
Have to say 'fair play' to Darren Hayday. Taking a County division as an independent is no mean achievement
I would say 'well done!'
[quote][p][bold]Steve_Guy[/bold] wrote: Have to say 'fair play' to Darren Hayday. Taking a County division as an independent is no mean achievement[/p][/quote]I would say 'well done!' New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence
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12:39am Sat 4 May 13

New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence says...

williamjames wrote:
FarleyUK wrote:
I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.
Has FarleyUK met Lesley Clarke and can justify his/her statement " From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work" or is it repetition of malicious gossip?
Lesley Clarke's written statement was delivered to all the houses, appartments and flats in Abbey except those that are behind security gates.
If you are so disgusted why not do the work and get elected yourself.
'FarleyUK' may have in mind reports of a certain Community Stadium and Sports Village.
[quote][p][bold]williamjames[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FarleyUK[/bold] wrote: I have to say, I don't normally get embroiled in politics - due to lack of faith in politicians in general - but I did indeed vote in the Abbey ward..... and I am absolutely disgusted Clarke has won the Abbey seat. From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work, and the fact she didn't even provide a written statement for the election smacks of a disgusting attitude. Eurgh.[/p][/quote]Has FarleyUK met Lesley Clarke and can justify his/her statement " From all reports previously of her, she's a pretty nasty piece of work" or is it repetition of malicious gossip? Lesley Clarke's written statement was delivered to all the houses, appartments and flats in Abbey except those that are behind security gates. If you are so disgusted why not do the work and get elected yourself.[/p][/quote]'FarleyUK' may have in mind reports of a certain Community Stadium and Sports Village. New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence
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8:23am Sat 4 May 13

tom.marlow2 says...

New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence wrote:
philbo wrote:
Can I just say..... wrote:
Is recording the serial number of the voting slip against the name of the voter considered 'normal'? - I think this destroys the 'anonymous' aspect of voting..
It has always been done like that: while it is theoretically possible to work out how a person voted, it requires access to two different paper systems, which isn't entirely straightforward; it's also not nicely indexed.

It's a secret ballot only so far as people don't have the time & access to go trawling through the data.
There was a correspondence about this some years ago in I think the Guardian.

The ballot papers are like raffle tickets - the counterfoil and the ballot paper can be matched with each other after the election as they have the same number on them.

If you have been to a count after a poll you will know that the Conservative and Labour or whatever are counted into bundles for each candidate and for convenience sake are left like that - if you have a pile one metre in height for one candidate and 20mm for another one there is no doubt who the winner is. After the poll the boxes are kept for some months with the bundles of ballots in them and if there are allegations of ballot rigging it is possible to open the ballot boxes and see if the vote recorded on a ballot paper is the one cast by the person whose name appears on the counterfoil to the ballot paper. If there are no such allegations the ballot papers are destroyed after some time.

The other thing is always denied - if you have a violent revolutionary organisation standing for election someone comes round on behalf of the Secret Intelligence Services after the poll and sees who voted for them - they compare the number on the ballot papers with numbers on the counterfoils and discover the identity of people voting for say the Wooburn Taliban party and then keep an eye on them in case they are plotting something really naughty for the future.
That was generally assumed to be true back in the 1970s and 80s when there seemed to be a lot more fringe candidates. Not necessarily violent extremists, but anti various things that the governments of the time were doing.

There don't seem to be so many these days, or maybe its just that they don't have them in Marlow.

Anyway I've always assumed it to be true, and realistically if the security services are not doing it then they are not doing their job properly.
[quote][p][bold]New and Improved Impeturbable Lawrence[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]philbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Can I just say.....[/bold] wrote: Is recording the serial number of the voting slip against the name of the voter considered 'normal'? - I think this destroys the 'anonymous' aspect of voting..[/p][/quote]It has always been done like that: while it is theoretically possible to work out how a person voted, it requires access to two different paper systems, which isn't entirely straightforward; it's also not nicely indexed. It's a secret ballot only so far as people don't have the time & access to go trawling through the data.[/p][/quote]There was a correspondence about this some years ago in I think the Guardian. The ballot papers are like raffle tickets - the counterfoil and the ballot paper can be matched with each other after the election as they have the same number on them. If you have been to a count after a poll you will know that the Conservative and Labour or whatever are counted into bundles for each candidate and for convenience sake are left like that - if you have a pile one metre in height for one candidate and 20mm for another one there is no doubt who the winner is. After the poll the boxes are kept for some months with the bundles of ballots in them and if there are allegations of ballot rigging it is possible to open the ballot boxes and see if the vote recorded on a ballot paper is the one cast by the person whose name appears on the counterfoil to the ballot paper. If there are no such allegations the ballot papers are destroyed after some time. The other thing is always denied - if you have a violent revolutionary organisation standing for election someone comes round on behalf of the Secret Intelligence Services after the poll and sees who voted for them - they compare the number on the ballot papers with numbers on the counterfoils and discover the identity of people voting for say the Wooburn Taliban party and then keep an eye on them in case they are plotting something [italic]really[/italic] naughty for the future.[/p][/quote]That was generally assumed to be true back in the 1970s and 80s when there seemed to be a lot more fringe candidates. Not necessarily violent extremists, but anti various things that the governments of the time were doing. There don't seem to be so many these days, or maybe its just that they don't have them in Marlow. Anyway I've always assumed it to be true, and realistically if the security services are not doing it then they are not doing their job properly. tom.marlow2
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