MP raises concerns about police harassment claims in High Wycombe

Bucks Free Press: Katie Bowman Katie Bowman

A WOMAN who said she was harassed by police in High Wycombe after she ended a relationship with an officer has received support from Beaconsfield MP Dominic Grieve.

Katie Bowman, 24, claims police have continued to harass her in High Wycombe since 2007.

Mr Grieve, who is Attorney General, has raised his concerns with Chief Constable, Sara Thornton, after Miss Bowman got in touch with him.

Thames Valley Police said they investigated and some of the claims were unsubstantiated while others resulted in disciplinary proceedings.

It is reported she went to High Wycombe police station in 2007 after her car was vandalised when she was 18, where an officer took her statement and later texted her having seen her phone number on the statement.

They then became an item, she said, but it ended and she said the harassment then began.

It has been said by Miss Bowman, who studied forensic science at the University of Bedfordshire, in the national press that the police have continually stopped her but she has never been convicted of any of the offences against her.

She told Mr Grieve police intelligence reports against her are adversely impacting on her life and her ability to pursue her career.

However, the police officer who was said to be in a relationship with her has denied in a newspaper interview he ever was.

Mr Grieve said: "While I have not had an opportunity of hearing a police explanation or justification for their actions, I am concerned that a person of apparent good character with no previous convictions should be treated in this way and have raised my concerns with the Chief Constable, particularly as Katie Bowman has raised serious allegations that the intelligence reports may arise from police misconduct towards her.

"It is desirable that this matter be resolved in a manner that commands public confidence and I shall continue to do what I can as her constituency MP to bring this about."

Thames Valley Police said a number of intelligence reports relating to Miss Bowman were reviewed in 2012, some of which were removed and again in 2013 following further requests.

The statement added: "Ms Bowman has made a number of complaints to Thames Valley Police some of which were unsubstantiated and some resulted in disciplinary proceedings against officers.

"In one case Ms Bowman made a complaint against a number of officers which she subsequently withdrew. Despite the fact she withdrew her complaint, Thames Valley Police continued with disciplinary proceedings against the officers.

"The complaints made specifically about harassment were unsubstantiated. The papers were subsequently reviewed by the IPCC which agreed with the conclusion."

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5:38pm Wed 17 Jul 13

MunsterX says...

What a daft story, and so typical of the BFP to clamber on board and ride it like Zorro.

A little surprising to see our Attorney General coming out in support of a particular side, albeit in his capacity as a local MP.

There is a certain type of lady who will share the first ten years womanhood with uniform or athletic/bodybuilder
s types or Southern Europeans on holiday and famously then "settle down" to married life with a bespectacled partner at a City firm or an "arrangement" on the side with some tycoon or another.

When that second half the adventure fails to materialise, bitterness ensues. Jane Austen aptly observed "But there certainly are not so many men of large fortune in the world as there are pretty women to deserve them".

All observations herein made are general and bear no relation to parties in this article etc, etc.....
What a daft story, and so typical of the BFP to clamber on board and ride it like Zorro. A little surprising to see our Attorney General coming out in support of a particular side, albeit in his capacity as a local MP. There is a certain type of lady who will share the first ten years womanhood with uniform or athletic/bodybuilder s types or Southern Europeans on holiday and famously then "settle down" to married life with a bespectacled partner at a City firm or an "arrangement" on the side with some tycoon or another. When that second half the adventure fails to materialise, bitterness ensues. Jane Austen aptly observed "But there certainly are not so many men of large fortune in the world as there are pretty women to deserve them". All observations herein made are general and bear no relation to parties in this article etc, etc..... MunsterX
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5:43pm Wed 17 Jul 13

Scarletto says...

We should all hope that TVP properly respond to these complaints and queries and at last stop brushing the allegations off. It's good that Dominic Grieve is involved and now at last it's being publicised nationally.
Very strange goings on. Cause for concern, at least. The police hoped it it would all die down but it hasn't.
We should all hope that TVP properly respond to these complaints and queries and at last stop brushing the allegations off. It's good that Dominic Grieve is involved and now at last it's being publicised nationally. Very strange goings on. Cause for concern, at least. The police hoped it it would all die down but it hasn't. Scarletto
  • Score: 16

7:21pm Wed 17 Jul 13

philbo says...

Sometimes it's impressive what happens when Private Eye run a story.. even the Attourney General sits up and takes notice.

http://www.private-e
ye.co.uk/sections.ph
p?section_link=in_th
e_back&issue=1344

Thames Valley Police said they investigated and some of the claims were unsubstantiated while others resulted in disciplinary proceedings.

Note that they didn't say that any were shown to be false or malicious, though they're obviously trying to imply that - "unsubstantiated" has a meaning that may be literally true, that there is not enough evidence to lead to prosecution/discipli
nary procedings; but implies that where was no substance at all to back them up. Weasel words.
Sometimes it's impressive what happens when Private Eye run a story.. even the Attourney General sits up and takes notice. http://www.private-e ye.co.uk/sections.ph p?section_link=in_th e_back&issue=1344 [quote]Thames Valley Police said they investigated and some of the claims were unsubstantiated while others resulted in disciplinary proceedings.[/quote] Note that they didn't say that any were shown to be false or malicious, though they're obviously trying to imply that - "unsubstantiated" has a meaning that may be literally true, that there is not enough evidence to lead to prosecution/discipli nary procedings; but implies that where was no substance at all to back them up. Weasel words. philbo
  • Score: 7

8:09pm Wed 17 Jul 13

geoffW says...

Strange we have had no comment from the Wycombe police chief yet, even if it is only a "we are looking in to these allegations".

Very quick to come out and get their faces into the paper when they have some single statistic which shows them in a good light.
Strange we have had no comment from the Wycombe police chief yet, even if it is only a "we are looking in to these allegations". Very quick to come out and get their faces into the paper when they have some single statistic which shows them in a good light. geoffW
  • Score: 4

8:58pm Wed 17 Jul 13

It's all lies says...

I always say "Don't believe anything unless you see it yourself " the papers will alway twist a story and they can mislead without being challenged . !!!!!

Another uninformed comment by a MP who does not know all the facts
( self stated)

The below is worth reading ....

A Police Officer is a composite of what all people are, a mingling of a saint and sinner. Underline instances of alleged dishonesty and brutality on the daily papers.... because they are after all "news " and it sells.
What they really mean is that they are exceptional , unusual, not commonplace. Buried under the frost is this fact: Less than one-half of one percent of policemen misfit the uniform. That's a better average than you'd find among clergy!
What is a policeman made of? He, of all men, is once the most needed and the most unwanted.
He's a strangely nameless creature who is "Officer" to his face and "Pig" or worse to his back. He must be such a diplomat that he can settle differences between individuals so that each will think he's won.
But.. If the policeman is tidy, he's conceited; if he's careless, he's a idiot .
If he's pleasant he's flirting; if not, he's cranky.
He must make an instant decision which would require months for a lawyer to make and costs more.

But...If he hurries, he's careless; if he's deliberate, he's lazy.
He must be first to an accident and infallible with his diagnosis. He must be able to start breathing, stop bleeding and, above all, be sure the victim goes home without a limp. Or expect to be sued for his 'duty of care'.
The Officer must know every gun, draw on the run, and hit ...... where it doesn't hurt?. He must be able to tackle two men twice his size and half his age without damaging his uniform and without being "brutal". If you hit him, he's a coward.
If he hits you, he's a bully.
A policeman must know everything and not tell.
He must know where all the sin is and not partake.
A policeman must, from a single strand of hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal- and tell you where the criminal is hiding.
But...if he catches the criminal, he's lucky; if he doesn't, he's a fool. If he gets promoted, he has political pull; if he doesn't, he's a pain.
The policeman must chase a bad lead to a dead-end, stake out ten nights to tag one witness who saw it happen but refused to remember.
The policeman must be a minister, a social worker, a diplomat, a tough guy and a gentleman.

And, of course, he'd have to be genius....
For he will have to feed a family on a policeman's salary.....
I always say "Don't believe anything unless you see it yourself " the papers will alway twist a story and they can mislead without being challenged . !!!!! Another uninformed comment by a MP who does not know all the facts ( self stated) The below is worth reading .... A Police Officer is a composite of what all people are, a mingling of a saint and sinner. Underline instances of alleged dishonesty and brutality on the daily papers.... because they are after all "news " and it sells. What they really mean is that they are exceptional , unusual, not commonplace. Buried under the frost is this fact: Less than one-half of one percent of policemen misfit the uniform. That's a better average than you'd find among clergy! What is a policeman made of? He, of all men, is once the most needed and the most unwanted. He's a strangely nameless creature who is "Officer" to his face and "Pig" or worse to his back. He must be such a diplomat that he can settle differences between individuals so that each will think he's won. But.. If the policeman is tidy, he's conceited; if he's careless, he's a idiot . If he's pleasant he's flirting; if not, he's cranky. He must make an instant decision which would require months for a lawyer to make and costs more. But...If he hurries, he's careless; if he's deliberate, he's lazy. He must be first to an accident and infallible with his diagnosis. He must be able to start breathing, stop bleeding and, above all, be sure the victim goes home without a limp. Or expect to be sued for his 'duty of care'. The Officer must know every gun, draw on the run, and hit ...... where it doesn't hurt?. He must be able to tackle two men twice his size and half his age without damaging his uniform and without being "brutal". If you hit him, he's a coward. If he hits you, he's a bully. A policeman must know everything and not tell. He must know where all the sin is and not partake. A policeman must, from a single strand of hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal- and tell you where the criminal is hiding. But...if he catches the criminal, he's lucky; if he doesn't, he's a fool. If he gets promoted, he has political pull; if he doesn't, he's a pain. The policeman must chase a bad lead to a dead-end, stake out ten nights to tag one witness who saw it happen but refused to remember. The policeman must be a minister, a social worker, a diplomat, a tough guy and a gentleman. And, of course, he'd have to be genius.... For he will have to feed a family on a policeman's salary..... It's all lies
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9:12pm Wed 17 Jul 13

demoness the second says...

It's all lies wrote:
I always say "Don't believe anything unless you see it yourself " the papers will alway twist a story and they can mislead without being challenged . !!!!!

Another uninformed comment by a MP who does not know all the facts
( self stated)

The below is worth reading ....

A Police Officer is a composite of what all people are, a mingling of a saint and sinner. Underline instances of alleged dishonesty and brutality on the daily papers.... because they are after all "news " and it sells.
What they really mean is that they are exceptional , unusual, not commonplace. Buried under the frost is this fact: Less than one-half of one percent of policemen misfit the uniform. That's a better average than you'd find among clergy!
What is a policeman made of? He, of all men, is once the most needed and the most unwanted.
He's a strangely nameless creature who is "Officer" to his face and "Pig" or worse to his back. He must be such a diplomat that he can settle differences between individuals so that each will think he's won.
But.. If the policeman is tidy, he's conceited; if he's careless, he's a idiot .
If he's pleasant he's flirting; if not, he's cranky.
He must make an instant decision which would require months for a lawyer to make and costs more.

But...If he hurries, he's careless; if he's deliberate, he's lazy.
He must be first to an accident and infallible with his diagnosis. He must be able to start breathing, stop bleeding and, above all, be sure the victim goes home without a limp. Or expect to be sued for his 'duty of care'.
The Officer must know every gun, draw on the run, and hit ...... where it doesn't hurt?. He must be able to tackle two men twice his size and half his age without damaging his uniform and without being "brutal". If you hit him, he's a coward.
If he hits you, he's a bully.
A policeman must know everything and not tell.
He must know where all the sin is and not partake.
A policeman must, from a single strand of hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal- and tell you where the criminal is hiding.
But...if he catches the criminal, he's lucky; if he doesn't, he's a fool. If he gets promoted, he has political pull; if he doesn't, he's a pain.
The policeman must chase a bad lead to a dead-end, stake out ten nights to tag one witness who saw it happen but refused to remember.
The policeman must be a minister, a social worker, a diplomat, a tough guy and a gentleman.

And, of course, he'd have to be genius....
For he will have to feed a family on a policeman's salary.....
Does this apply to policewomen as well?

Oh and the police are extremely well paid so please do not even think about inferring otherwise ;)
[quote][p][bold]It's all lies[/bold] wrote: I always say "Don't believe anything unless you see it yourself " the papers will alway twist a story and they can mislead without being challenged . !!!!! Another uninformed comment by a MP who does not know all the facts ( self stated) The below is worth reading .... A Police Officer is a composite of what all people are, a mingling of a saint and sinner. Underline instances of alleged dishonesty and brutality on the daily papers.... because they are after all "news " and it sells. What they really mean is that they are exceptional , unusual, not commonplace. Buried under the frost is this fact: Less than one-half of one percent of policemen misfit the uniform. That's a better average than you'd find among clergy! What is a policeman made of? He, of all men, is once the most needed and the most unwanted. He's a strangely nameless creature who is "Officer" to his face and "Pig" or worse to his back. He must be such a diplomat that he can settle differences between individuals so that each will think he's won. But.. If the policeman is tidy, he's conceited; if he's careless, he's a idiot . If he's pleasant he's flirting; if not, he's cranky. He must make an instant decision which would require months for a lawyer to make and costs more. But...If he hurries, he's careless; if he's deliberate, he's lazy. He must be first to an accident and infallible with his diagnosis. He must be able to start breathing, stop bleeding and, above all, be sure the victim goes home without a limp. Or expect to be sued for his 'duty of care'. The Officer must know every gun, draw on the run, and hit ...... where it doesn't hurt?. He must be able to tackle two men twice his size and half his age without damaging his uniform and without being "brutal". If you hit him, he's a coward. If he hits you, he's a bully. A policeman must know everything and not tell. He must know where all the sin is and not partake. A policeman must, from a single strand of hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal- and tell you where the criminal is hiding. But...if he catches the criminal, he's lucky; if he doesn't, he's a fool. If he gets promoted, he has political pull; if he doesn't, he's a pain. The policeman must chase a bad lead to a dead-end, stake out ten nights to tag one witness who saw it happen but refused to remember. The policeman must be a minister, a social worker, a diplomat, a tough guy and a gentleman. And, of course, he'd have to be genius.... For he will have to feed a family on a policeman's salary.....[/p][/quote]Does this apply to policewomen as well? Oh and the police are extremely well paid so please do not even think about inferring otherwise ;) demoness the second
  • Score: 7

9:38pm Wed 17 Jul 13

It's all lies says...

Yes of course it's applied to women

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Man_(word)

They are not well paid !
I'm talking about Tvps 24/7 basic constable on the beat shoving the dross of Bucks daily !
As with all jobs, internal roles are different

Im not on about Inspectors & Supt and upwards who are well paid for their role..
Yes of course it's applied to women http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Man_(word) They are not well paid ! I'm talking about Tvps 24/7 basic constable on the beat shoving the dross of Bucks daily ! As with all jobs, internal roles are different Im not on about Inspectors & Supt and upwards who are well paid for their role.. It's all lies
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9:39pm Wed 17 Jul 13

It's all lies says...

Ps Man in traditional usage refers to the species, to humanity as a whole. Equating the term for the male with the whole species is common.
Ps Man in traditional usage refers to the species, to humanity as a whole. Equating the term for the male with the whole species is common. It's all lies
  • Score: -2

1:43am Thu 18 Jul 13

Mr Totterdge Hill says...

Love unrequited... maybe?
Love unrequited... maybe? Mr Totterdge Hill
  • Score: -5

7:02am Thu 18 Jul 13

tigeran says...

demoness the second wrote:
It's all lies wrote:
I always say "Don't believe anything unless you see it yourself " the papers will alway twist a story and they can mislead without being challenged . !!!!!

Another uninformed comment by a MP who does not know all the facts
( self stated)

The below is worth reading ....

A Police Officer is a composite of what all people are, a mingling of a saint and sinner. Underline instances of alleged dishonesty and brutality on the daily papers.... because they are after all "news " and it sells.
What they really mean is that they are exceptional , unusual, not commonplace. Buried under the frost is this fact: Less than one-half of one percent of policemen misfit the uniform. That's a better average than you'd find among clergy!
What is a policeman made of? He, of all men, is once the most needed and the most unwanted.
He's a strangely nameless creature who is "Officer" to his face and "Pig" or worse to his back. He must be such a diplomat that he can settle differences between individuals so that each will think he's won.
But.. If the policeman is tidy, he's conceited; if he's careless, he's a idiot .
If he's pleasant he's flirting; if not, he's cranky.
He must make an instant decision which would require months for a lawyer to make and costs more.

But...If he hurries, he's careless; if he's deliberate, he's lazy.
He must be first to an accident and infallible with his diagnosis. He must be able to start breathing, stop bleeding and, above all, be sure the victim goes home without a limp. Or expect to be sued for his 'duty of care'.
The Officer must know every gun, draw on the run, and hit ...... where it doesn't hurt?. He must be able to tackle two men twice his size and half his age without damaging his uniform and without being "brutal". If you hit him, he's a coward.
If he hits you, he's a bully.
A policeman must know everything and not tell.
He must know where all the sin is and not partake.
A policeman must, from a single strand of hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal- and tell you where the criminal is hiding.
But...if he catches the criminal, he's lucky; if he doesn't, he's a fool. If he gets promoted, he has political pull; if he doesn't, he's a pain.
The policeman must chase a bad lead to a dead-end, stake out ten nights to tag one witness who saw it happen but refused to remember.
The policeman must be a minister, a social worker, a diplomat, a tough guy and a gentleman.

And, of course, he'd have to be genius....
For he will have to feed a family on a policeman's salary.....
Does this apply to policewomen as well?

Oh and the police are extremely well paid so please do not even think about inferring otherwise ;)
They are not well paid! Where on earth did you dream that up from?! In my opinion those poor police should get double what they do! They do an extremely hard job and with the rubbish they have to put up with from the scum they deal with they deserve a lot more! Lets face it, they get paid no more than a feckless family of 6 or 7 get from just drinking all day, causing trouble and on benefits!!
[quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's all lies[/bold] wrote: I always say "Don't believe anything unless you see it yourself " the papers will alway twist a story and they can mislead without being challenged . !!!!! Another uninformed comment by a MP who does not know all the facts ( self stated) The below is worth reading .... A Police Officer is a composite of what all people are, a mingling of a saint and sinner. Underline instances of alleged dishonesty and brutality on the daily papers.... because they are after all "news " and it sells. What they really mean is that they are exceptional , unusual, not commonplace. Buried under the frost is this fact: Less than one-half of one percent of policemen misfit the uniform. That's a better average than you'd find among clergy! What is a policeman made of? He, of all men, is once the most needed and the most unwanted. He's a strangely nameless creature who is "Officer" to his face and "Pig" or worse to his back. He must be such a diplomat that he can settle differences between individuals so that each will think he's won. But.. If the policeman is tidy, he's conceited; if he's careless, he's a idiot . If he's pleasant he's flirting; if not, he's cranky. He must make an instant decision which would require months for a lawyer to make and costs more. But...If he hurries, he's careless; if he's deliberate, he's lazy. He must be first to an accident and infallible with his diagnosis. He must be able to start breathing, stop bleeding and, above all, be sure the victim goes home without a limp. Or expect to be sued for his 'duty of care'. The Officer must know every gun, draw on the run, and hit ...... where it doesn't hurt?. He must be able to tackle two men twice his size and half his age without damaging his uniform and without being "brutal". If you hit him, he's a coward. If he hits you, he's a bully. A policeman must know everything and not tell. He must know where all the sin is and not partake. A policeman must, from a single strand of hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal- and tell you where the criminal is hiding. But...if he catches the criminal, he's lucky; if he doesn't, he's a fool. If he gets promoted, he has political pull; if he doesn't, he's a pain. The policeman must chase a bad lead to a dead-end, stake out ten nights to tag one witness who saw it happen but refused to remember. The policeman must be a minister, a social worker, a diplomat, a tough guy and a gentleman. And, of course, he'd have to be genius.... For he will have to feed a family on a policeman's salary.....[/p][/quote]Does this apply to policewomen as well? Oh and the police are extremely well paid so please do not even think about inferring otherwise ;)[/p][/quote]They are not well paid! Where on earth did you dream that up from?! In my opinion those poor police should get double what they do! They do an extremely hard job and with the rubbish they have to put up with from the scum they deal with they deserve a lot more! Lets face it, they get paid no more than a feckless family of 6 or 7 get from just drinking all day, causing trouble and on benefits!! tigeran
  • Score: -3

10:10am Thu 18 Jul 13

Darren Hayday says...

MunsterX wrote:
What a daft story, and so typical of the BFP to clamber on board and ride it like Zorro.

A little surprising to see our Attorney General coming out in support of a particular side, albeit in his capacity as a local MP.

There is a certain type of lady who will share the first ten years womanhood with uniform or athletic/bodybuilder

s types or Southern Europeans on holiday and famously then "settle down" to married life with a bespectacled partner at a City firm or an "arrangement" on the side with some tycoon or another.

When that second half the adventure fails to materialise, bitterness ensues. Jane Austen aptly observed "But there certainly are not so many men of large fortune in the world as there are pretty women to deserve them".

All observations herein made are general and bear no relation to parties in this article etc, etc.....
What on earth are you going on about? a certain type of woman? You are writing as if you live in the 1900's..! - These comments are out of date and sexist.
[quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: What a daft story, and so typical of the BFP to clamber on board and ride it like Zorro. A little surprising to see our Attorney General coming out in support of a particular side, albeit in his capacity as a local MP. There is a certain type of lady who will share the first ten years womanhood with uniform or athletic/bodybuilder s types or Southern Europeans on holiday and famously then "settle down" to married life with a bespectacled partner at a City firm or an "arrangement" on the side with some tycoon or another. When that second half the adventure fails to materialise, bitterness ensues. Jane Austen aptly observed "But there certainly are not so many men of large fortune in the world as there are pretty women to deserve them". All observations herein made are general and bear no relation to parties in this article etc, etc.....[/p][/quote]What on earth are you going on about? a certain type of woman? You are writing as if you live in the 1900's..! - These comments are out of date and sexist. Darren Hayday
  • Score: 3

1:51pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Alaric 3rd says...

Polisce standards have dropped
Polisce standards have dropped Alaric 3rd
  • Score: 0

2:29pm Thu 18 Jul 13

MunsterX says...

Darren Hayday wrote:
MunsterX wrote:
What a daft story, and so typical of the BFP to clamber on board and ride it like Zorro.

A little surprising to see our Attorney General coming out in support of a particular side, albeit in his capacity as a local MP.

There is a certain type of lady who will share the first ten years womanhood with uniform or athletic/bodybuilder


s types or Southern Europeans on holiday and famously then "settle down" to married life with a bespectacled partner at a City firm or an "arrangement" on the side with some tycoon or another.

When that second half the adventure fails to materialise, bitterness ensues. Jane Austen aptly observed "But there certainly are not so many men of large fortune in the world as there are pretty women to deserve them".

All observations herein made are general and bear no relation to parties in this article etc, etc.....
What on earth are you going on about? a certain type of woman? You are writing as if you live in the 1900's..! - These comments are out of date and sexist.
I do not find all women this way as the epithet "a certain type" adequately demonstrates.
[quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: What a daft story, and so typical of the BFP to clamber on board and ride it like Zorro. A little surprising to see our Attorney General coming out in support of a particular side, albeit in his capacity as a local MP. There is a certain type of lady who will share the first ten years womanhood with uniform or athletic/bodybuilder s types or Southern Europeans on holiday and famously then "settle down" to married life with a bespectacled partner at a City firm or an "arrangement" on the side with some tycoon or another. When that second half the adventure fails to materialise, bitterness ensues. Jane Austen aptly observed "But there certainly are not so many men of large fortune in the world as there are pretty women to deserve them". All observations herein made are general and bear no relation to parties in this article etc, etc.....[/p][/quote]What on earth are you going on about? a certain type of woman? You are writing as if you live in the 1900's..! - These comments are out of date and sexist.[/p][/quote]I do not find all women this way as the epithet "a certain type" adequately demonstrates. MunsterX
  • Score: -3

6:12pm Thu 18 Jul 13

big don g the 1st says...

Darren Hayday wrote:
MunsterX wrote:
What a daft story, and so typical of the BFP to clamber on board and ride it like Zorro.

A little surprising to see our Attorney General coming out in support of a particular side, albeit in his capacity as a local MP.

There is a certain type of lady who will share the first ten years womanhood with uniform or athletic/bodybuilder


s types or Southern Europeans on holiday and famously then "settle down" to married life with a bespectacled partner at a City firm or an "arrangement" on the side with some tycoon or another.

When that second half the adventure fails to materialise, bitterness ensues. Jane Austen aptly observed "But there certainly are not so many men of large fortune in the world as there are pretty women to deserve them".

All observations herein made are general and bear no relation to parties in this article etc, etc.....
What on earth are you going on about? a certain type of woman? You are writing as if you live in the 1900's..! - These comments are out of date and sexist.
I thought it was a bit stupid too. Unless he knows this woman.
[quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: What a daft story, and so typical of the BFP to clamber on board and ride it like Zorro. A little surprising to see our Attorney General coming out in support of a particular side, albeit in his capacity as a local MP. There is a certain type of lady who will share the first ten years womanhood with uniform or athletic/bodybuilder s types or Southern Europeans on holiday and famously then "settle down" to married life with a bespectacled partner at a City firm or an "arrangement" on the side with some tycoon or another. When that second half the adventure fails to materialise, bitterness ensues. Jane Austen aptly observed "But there certainly are not so many men of large fortune in the world as there are pretty women to deserve them". All observations herein made are general and bear no relation to parties in this article etc, etc.....[/p][/quote]What on earth are you going on about? a certain type of woman? You are writing as if you live in the 1900's..! - These comments are out of date and sexist.[/p][/quote]I thought it was a bit stupid too. Unless he knows this woman. big don g the 1st
  • Score: 0

10:57pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Stand up for England says...

Katie Bowman .. this is not an accurate account of the situation. There's always another side to the story and to make assumptions about the cops because you're anti-police is wrong. Does this really sound plausible? Don't you think the cops have got better things to do? Is the BFP reporting always accurate? ... and if/when this is proved to be bunkum, is it OK for her to walk away with no comeback yet she may have made allegations that have destroyed the careers of completely innocent cops. I'll finish here except to say there is a lot more to this than Bowman is admitting to. She is no angel !!
Katie Bowman .. this is not an accurate account of the situation. There's always another side to the story and to make assumptions about the cops because you're anti-police is wrong. Does this really sound plausible? Don't you think the cops have got better things to do? Is the BFP reporting always accurate? ... and if/when this is proved to be bunkum, is it OK for her to walk away with no comeback yet she may have made allegations that have destroyed the careers of completely innocent cops. I'll finish here except to say there is a lot more to this than Bowman is admitting to. She is no angel !! Stand up for England
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6:35am Fri 19 Jul 13

MunsterX says...

Stand up for England, everyone is thinking the same thing.

If a constable were behaving in this way then he would be dealt with firmly by his inspector (or indeed a local commander if the gravity of the situation merited that) simply because such conduct by a constable would kill public confidence in TVP and precipitate a breakdown in law and order. Senior officers are well aware of these situations and the need to act; does the BFP really believe they would put the safety of all their officers at risk?

In fact, there is no reason whatsoever for Grieve to be involved and waste his time referring the matter to a Chief Constable! Grieve's conduct is a slap in the face for Wycombe police station and raises questions about his own adequacy in the role of Attorney General.

I would like to see both Grieve and the BFP issue a public apology to our local constabulary.
Stand up for England, everyone is thinking the same thing. If a constable were behaving in this way then he would be dealt with firmly by his inspector (or indeed a local commander if the gravity of the situation merited that) simply because such conduct by a constable would kill public confidence in TVP and precipitate a breakdown in law and order. Senior officers are well aware of these situations and the need to act; does the BFP really believe they would put the safety of all their officers at risk? In fact, there is no reason whatsoever for Grieve to be involved and waste his time referring the matter to a Chief Constable! Grieve's conduct is a slap in the face for Wycombe police station and raises questions about his own adequacy in the role of Attorney General. I would like to see both Grieve and the BFP issue a public apology to our local constabulary. MunsterX
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11:04am Fri 19 Jul 13

philbo says...

MunsterX wrote:
Stand up for England, everyone is thinking the same thing.

If a constable were behaving in this way then he would be dealt with firmly by his inspector (or indeed a local commander if the gravity of the situation merited that) simply because such conduct by a constable would kill public confidence in TVP and precipitate a breakdown in law and order. Senior officers are well aware of these situations and the need to act; does the BFP really believe they would put the safety of all their officers at risk?

In fact, there is no reason whatsoever for Grieve to be involved and waste his time referring the matter to a Chief Constable! Grieve's conduct is a slap in the face for Wycombe police station and raises questions about his own adequacy in the role of Attorney General.

I would like to see both Grieve and the BFP issue a public apology to our local constabulary.
No, not everyone is thinking the same thing. Some very specific claims have been made (read the Private Eye article - I linked to it above) which would be trivial to refute if untrue.

Yet the most TVP would do was say "some of the claims were unsubstantiated" - they didn't say any were proven false (or malicious). Some have resulted in disciplinary action, so there was enough evidence (in an unspecified number of cases) to prove misconduct.

Your attitude is extremely biased: do you work for TVP by any chance?
[quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Stand up for England, everyone is thinking the same thing. If a constable were behaving in this way then he would be dealt with firmly by his inspector (or indeed a local commander if the gravity of the situation merited that) simply because such conduct by a constable would kill public confidence in TVP and precipitate a breakdown in law and order. Senior officers are well aware of these situations and the need to act; does the BFP really believe they would put the safety of all their officers at risk? In fact, there is no reason whatsoever for Grieve to be involved and waste his time referring the matter to a Chief Constable! Grieve's conduct is a slap in the face for Wycombe police station and raises questions about his own adequacy in the role of Attorney General. I would like to see both Grieve and the BFP issue a public apology to our local constabulary.[/p][/quote]No, not everyone is thinking the same thing. Some very specific claims have been made (read the Private Eye article - I linked to it above) which would be trivial to refute if untrue. Yet the most TVP would do was say "some of the claims were unsubstantiated" - they didn't say any were proven false (or malicious). Some have resulted in disciplinary action, so there was enough evidence (in an unspecified number of cases) to prove misconduct. Your attitude is extremely biased: do you work for TVP by any chance? philbo
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11:39am Fri 19 Jul 13

Dr James says...

I have been harrased over the last 5 months by the TVP after complaining to the IPCC whilst awaiting a court date, stopped three times in my car for no reason, my cottage door broken down at 2 am by two policemen who did not identify themselves looking for a ficticous non exisitent person.......TVP ...joke..... more like key stone cops....I'll have my day Mr Pork Scratching...you know who you are and you know who I am.
I have been harrased over the last 5 months by the TVP after complaining to the IPCC whilst awaiting a court date, stopped three times in my car for no reason, my cottage door broken down at 2 am by two policemen who did not identify themselves looking for a ficticous non exisitent person.......TVP ...joke..... more like key stone cops....I'll have my day Mr Pork Scratching...you know who you are and you know who I am. Dr James
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11:45am Fri 19 Jul 13

Dr James says...

And whilst on my soap box, when are the Muppets in the TVP going to apologise to Ms Bowman...hold in there Katie...I know for a fact what this parasites do and why they do it.....good luck to you.
And whilst on my soap box, when are the Muppets in the TVP going to apologise to Ms Bowman...hold in there Katie...I know for a fact what this parasites do and why they do it.....good luck to you. Dr James
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11:47am Fri 19 Jul 13

Dr James says...

Oh and if you are reading this PC's Gingernut and PC's Short stop, you know where I am , I expect a nice little visit later.
Oh and if you are reading this PC's Gingernut and PC's Short stop, you know where I am , I expect a nice little visit later. Dr James
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12:10pm Fri 19 Jul 13

Dr James says...

Oh and another thing Inspector Gadgets, the phone calls you made to certain establishments asking If I had been there at certain times on specific weekends lunchtimes/afternoon
s etc etc, and what had I been doing there, what form of payment had I used etc etc, these people tell me you are enquiring after me, they tell me because they like me and respect me because I am an up standing member of my community and a decent person....is it the jealosuy thing with you guys, flash cars, nice house smartly dressed,....were you bullied at school perhaps...victims turned aggressors, power feeders, possibly inadequate in all other departments...I have an idea.... go after the drug dealers, the robbers , the thieves, the rapists.....enough said me thinks......I'll leave the key underneath the mat....you dont have to break down the stable door and wake the neigbours up.
Oh and another thing Inspector Gadgets, the phone calls you made to certain establishments asking If I had been there at certain times on specific weekends lunchtimes/afternoon s etc etc, and what had I been doing there, what form of payment had I used etc etc, these people tell me you are enquiring after me, they tell me because they like me and respect me because I am an up standing member of my community and a decent person....is it the jealosuy thing with you guys, flash cars, nice house smartly dressed,....were you bullied at school perhaps...victims turned aggressors, power feeders, possibly inadequate in all other departments...I have an idea.... go after the drug dealers, the robbers , the thieves, the rapists.....enough said me thinks......I'll leave the key underneath the mat....you dont have to break down the stable door and wake the neigbours up. Dr James
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12:14pm Fri 19 Jul 13

MunsterX says...

Philbo, Private Eye and the BFP do not have a strong record in investigative journalism.
Philbo, Private Eye and the BFP do not have a strong record in investigative journalism. MunsterX
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12:16pm Fri 19 Jul 13

MunsterX says...

Dr James wrote:
Oh and another thing Inspector Gadgets, the phone calls you made to certain establishments asking If I had been there at certain times on specific weekends lunchtimes/afternoon

s etc etc, and what had I been doing there, what form of payment had I used etc etc, these people tell me you are enquiring after me, they tell me because they like me and respect me because I am an up standing member of my community and a decent person....is it the jealosuy thing with you guys, flash cars, nice house smartly dressed,....were you bullied at school perhaps...victims turned aggressors, power feeders, possibly inadequate in all other departments...I have an idea.... go after the drug dealers, the robbers , the thieves, the rapists.....enough said me thinks......I'll leave the key underneath the mat....you dont have to break down the stable door and wake the neigbours up.
Dr James, you may wish to consider avoiding those brothels for a while, it is illegal after all!
[quote][p][bold]Dr James[/bold] wrote: Oh and another thing Inspector Gadgets, the phone calls you made to certain establishments asking If I had been there at certain times on specific weekends lunchtimes/afternoon s etc etc, and what had I been doing there, what form of payment had I used etc etc, these people tell me you are enquiring after me, they tell me because they like me and respect me because I am an up standing member of my community and a decent person....is it the jealosuy thing with you guys, flash cars, nice house smartly dressed,....were you bullied at school perhaps...victims turned aggressors, power feeders, possibly inadequate in all other departments...I have an idea.... go after the drug dealers, the robbers , the thieves, the rapists.....enough said me thinks......I'll leave the key underneath the mat....you dont have to break down the stable door and wake the neigbours up.[/p][/quote]Dr James, you may wish to consider avoiding those brothels for a while, it is illegal after all! MunsterX
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12:18pm Fri 19 Jul 13

Dr James says...

Ha ha I wish Mr Munster
Ha ha I wish Mr Munster Dr James
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1:04pm Fri 19 Jul 13

philbo says...

MunsterX wrote:
Philbo, Private Eye and the BFP do not have a strong record in investigative journalism.
There are none so blind as those who will not see..

The Eye has a better record of investigative journalism than pretty much any other publication at the moment. They are also *much* better at printing responses from people/organizations who think they've been unfairly treated than any newspaper.

What the Eye reported could have been categorically denied by TVP - it wasn't. Some had sufficient evidence to lead to serving officers being disciplined - do you think the BFP made up that quote from Thames Valley Police? If not, you might want to reconsider your opinion.
[quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Philbo, Private Eye and the BFP do not have a strong record in investigative journalism.[/p][/quote]There are none so blind as those who will not see.. The Eye has a better record of investigative journalism than pretty much any other publication at the moment. They are also *much* better at printing responses from people/organizations who think they've been unfairly treated than any newspaper. What the Eye reported could have been categorically denied by TVP - it wasn't. Some had sufficient evidence to lead to serving officers being disciplined - do you think the BFP made up that quote from Thames Valley Police? If not, you might want to reconsider your opinion. philbo
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2:18pm Fri 19 Jul 13

realist_highwycombe says...

My other post for some reason has not made it on - anyway......

This Katie Bowman, who claims she has been harassed andhounded so much by the police and that it is horrific and horrendous and that she has done absolutely nothing wrong......

This is the same Katie Bowman that latched straight on to another Cop and hounded him by leaving "ideas" for him to propose to her, see attached article.

http://www.bucksfree
press.co.uk/news/936
1010.Man_proposed_in
_front_of_thousands_
at_fireworks/

She must really hate police loads - so much so she got with this one!

Good old biased British Journalism at its best.
My other post for some reason has not made it on - anyway...... This Katie Bowman, who claims she has been harassed andhounded so much by the police and that it is horrific and horrendous and that she has done absolutely nothing wrong...... This is the same Katie Bowman that latched straight on to another Cop and hounded him by leaving "ideas" for him to propose to her, see attached article. http://www.bucksfree press.co.uk/news/936 1010.Man_proposed_in _front_of_thousands_ at_fireworks/ She must really hate police loads - so much so she got with this one! Good old biased British Journalism at its best. realist_highwycombe
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2:40pm Fri 19 Jul 13

MunsterX says...

It's amazing how men in powerful roles (Attorney General, BFP Editor, Independent Councillor etc...) come out in shining armour to protect the maiden with neither questions asked nor sense applied.

Each may be married to a "Cautious Carol" type and this may provide something of an ego boost. May I suggest that these gentlemen have a sit down with a fruity magazine and a box of kleenex and reconsider their views afterwards. We should all be singing from the same sheet then!

Funny thing the male brain.
It's amazing how men in powerful roles (Attorney General, BFP Editor, Independent Councillor etc...) come out in shining armour to protect the maiden with neither questions asked nor sense applied. Each may be married to a "Cautious Carol" type and this may provide something of an ego boost. May I suggest that these gentlemen have a sit down with a fruity magazine and a box of kleenex and reconsider their views afterwards. We should all be singing from the same sheet then! Funny thing the male brain. MunsterX
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2:47pm Fri 19 Jul 13

MunsterX says...

To be clear, it is not my suggestion that the three gentlemen sit together...
To be clear, it is not my suggestion that the three gentlemen sit together... MunsterX
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1:24pm Sat 20 Jul 13

MunsterX says...

Just read the new article that for some reason has no comment section on it.

TVP have only apologised for the lady being taken by her then boyfriend on ride-alongs and for her being allowed her to speak a police radio.

They have not apologised for harassment.

The BFP is running with some very misleading headlines!
Just read the new article that for some reason has no comment section on it. TVP have only apologised for the lady being taken by her then boyfriend on ride-alongs and for her being allowed her to speak a police radio. They have not apologised for harassment. The BFP is running with some very misleading headlines! MunsterX
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5:47pm Sat 20 Jul 13

Scarletto says...

Very strange comments by Munster, whatever the rights and wrong of this situation. Substances ingested?
Also, for years Private Eye has had a very good reputation for breaking stories and then the national press follows them up. PE is a breath of fresh air, often.
Very strange comments by Munster, whatever the rights and wrong of this situation. Substances ingested? Also, for years Private Eye has had a very good reputation for breaking stories and then the national press follows them up. PE is a breath of fresh air, often. Scarletto
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9:08am Sun 21 Jul 13

tigeran says...

Dr James wrote:
I have been harrased over the last 5 months by the TVP after complaining to the IPCC whilst awaiting a court date, stopped three times in my car for no reason, my cottage door broken down at 2 am by two policemen who did not identify themselves looking for a ficticous non exisitent person.......TVP ...joke..... more like key stone cops....I'll have my day Mr Pork Scratching...you know who you are and you know who I am.
Don't believe you. You must have done something wrong. Drugs?
[quote][p][bold]Dr James[/bold] wrote: I have been harrased over the last 5 months by the TVP after complaining to the IPCC whilst awaiting a court date, stopped three times in my car for no reason, my cottage door broken down at 2 am by two policemen who did not identify themselves looking for a ficticous non exisitent person.......TVP ...joke..... more like key stone cops....I'll have my day Mr Pork Scratching...you know who you are and you know who I am.[/p][/quote]Don't believe you. You must have done something wrong. Drugs? tigeran
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8:11am Mon 22 Jul 13

Dr James says...

tigeran wrote:
Dr James wrote: I have been harrased over the last 5 months by the TVP after complaining to the IPCC whilst awaiting a court date, stopped three times in my car for no reason, my cottage door broken down at 2 am by two policemen who did not identify themselves looking for a ficticous non exisitent person.......TVP ...joke..... more like key stone cops....I'll have my day Mr Pork Scratching...you know who you are and you know who I am.
Don't believe you. You must have done something wrong. Drugs?
Believe what you want to love, I have never touched a drug in my life.....drugs are for the weak of mind who find it difficult to cope with thier particular circumstance.....ooo
ps I do lie...I ve had the odd Junior dispirin and the odd panadol
[quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr James[/bold] wrote: I have been harrased over the last 5 months by the TVP after complaining to the IPCC whilst awaiting a court date, stopped three times in my car for no reason, my cottage door broken down at 2 am by two policemen who did not identify themselves looking for a ficticous non exisitent person.......TVP ...joke..... more like key stone cops....I'll have my day Mr Pork Scratching...you know who you are and you know who I am.[/p][/quote]Don't believe you. You must have done something wrong. Drugs?[/p][/quote]Believe what you want to love, I have never touched a drug in my life.....drugs are for the weak of mind who find it difficult to cope with thier particular circumstance.....ooo ps I do lie...I ve had the odd Junior dispirin and the odd panadol Dr James
  • Score: -1

11:27pm Tue 23 Jul 13

A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence says...

MunsterX wrote:
What a daft story, and so typical of the BFP to clamber on board and ride it like Zorro.

A little surprising to see our Attorney General coming out in support of a particular side, albeit in his capacity as a local MP.

There is a certain type of lady who will share the first ten years womanhood with uniform or athletic/bodybuilder

s types or Southern Europeans on holiday and famously then "settle down" to married life with a bespectacled partner at a City firm or an "arrangement" on the side with some tycoon or another.

When that second half the adventure fails to materialise, bitterness ensues. Jane Austen aptly observed "But there certainly are not so many men of large fortune in the world as there are pretty women to deserve them".

All observations herein made are general and bear no relation to parties in this article etc, etc.....
A little surprising to see our Attorney General coming out in support of a particular side, albeit in his capacity as a local MP.
He’s not actually coming out on one side is he?
Thames Valley Police said a number of intelligence reports relating to Miss Bowman were reviewed in 2012, some of which were removed and again in 2013 following further requests.
The statement added: "Ms Bowman has made a number of complaints to Thames Valley Police some of which were unsubstantiated and some resulted in disciplinary proceedings against officers.

Mr Grieve said: "While I have not had an opportunity of hearing a police explanation or justification for their actions, I am concerned that a person of apparent good character with no previous convictions should be treated in this way and have raised my concerns with the Chief Constable …
"It is desirable that this matter be resolved in a manner that commands public confidence and I shall continue to do what I can as her constituency MP to bring this about."

There seems to be some foundation to what she has said and Grieve is saying he wants the full facts.
[quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: What a daft story, and so typical of the BFP to clamber on board and ride it like Zorro. A little surprising to see our Attorney General coming out in support of a particular side, albeit in his capacity as a local MP. There is a certain type of lady who will share the first ten years womanhood with uniform or athletic/bodybuilder s types or Southern Europeans on holiday and famously then "settle down" to married life with a bespectacled partner at a City firm or an "arrangement" on the side with some tycoon or another. When that second half the adventure fails to materialise, bitterness ensues. Jane Austen aptly observed "But there certainly are not so many men of large fortune in the world as there are pretty women to deserve them". All observations herein made are general and bear no relation to parties in this article etc, etc.....[/p][/quote][italic] A little surprising to see our Attorney General coming out in support of a particular side, albeit in his capacity as a local MP. [/italic] He’s not actually coming out on one side is he? [italic] Thames Valley Police said a number of intelligence reports relating to Miss Bowman were reviewed in 2012, some of which were removed and again in 2013 following further requests. The statement added: "Ms Bowman has made a number of complaints to Thames Valley Police some of which were unsubstantiated and some resulted in disciplinary proceedings against officers. [/italic] [italic] Mr Grieve said: "While I have not had an opportunity of hearing a police explanation or justification for their actions, I am concerned that a person of apparent good character with no previous convictions should be treated in this way and have raised my concerns with the Chief Constable … "It is desirable that this matter be resolved in a manner that commands public confidence and I shall continue to do what I can as her constituency MP to bring this about." There seems to be some foundation to what she has said and Grieve is saying he wants the full facts. A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence
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11:30pm Tue 23 Jul 13

A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence says...

MunsterX wrote:
What a daft story, and so typical of the BFP to clamber on board and ride it like Zorro.

A little surprising to see our Attorney General coming out in support of a particular side, albeit in his capacity as a local MP.

There is a certain type of lady who will share the first ten years womanhood with uniform or athletic/bodybuilder

s types or Southern Europeans on holiday and famously then "settle down" to married life with a bespectacled partner at a City firm or an "arrangement" on the side with some tycoon or another.

When that second half the adventure fails to materialise, bitterness ensues. Jane Austen aptly observed "But there certainly are not so many men of large fortune in the world as there are pretty women to deserve them".

All observations herein made are general and bear no relation to parties in this article etc, etc.....
There is a certain type of lady who will share the first ten years womanhood with uniform or athletic/bodybuilder
s types or Southern Europeans on holiday and famously then "settle down" to married life with a bespectacled partner at a City firm or an "arrangement" on the side with some tycoon or another.



That’s how I managed to get casual sex so regularly until I was in early middle-age (last year) – body building and a career as a tycoon.
[quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: What a daft story, and so typical of the BFP to clamber on board and ride it like Zorro. A little surprising to see our Attorney General coming out in support of a particular side, albeit in his capacity as a local MP. There is a certain type of lady who will share the first ten years womanhood with uniform or athletic/bodybuilder s types or Southern Europeans on holiday and famously then "settle down" to married life with a bespectacled partner at a City firm or an "arrangement" on the side with some tycoon or another. When that second half the adventure fails to materialise, bitterness ensues. Jane Austen aptly observed "But there certainly are not so many men of large fortune in the world as there are pretty women to deserve them". All observations herein made are general and bear no relation to parties in this article etc, etc.....[/p][/quote][italic] There is a certain type of lady who will share the first ten years womanhood with uniform or athletic/bodybuilder s types or Southern Europeans on holiday and famously then "settle down" to married life with a bespectacled partner at a City firm or an "arrangement" on the side with some tycoon or another. [/italic] That’s how I managed to get casual sex so regularly until I was in early middle-age (last year) – body building and a career as a tycoon. A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence
  • Score: 0

11:33pm Tue 23 Jul 13

A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence says...

It's all lies wrote:
I always say "Don't believe anything unless you see it yourself " the papers will alway twist a story and they can mislead without being challenged . !!!!!

Another uninformed comment by a MP who does not know all the facts
( self stated)

The below is worth reading ....

A Police Officer is a composite of what all people are, a mingling of a saint and sinner. Underline instances of alleged dishonesty and brutality on the daily papers.... because they are after all "news " and it sells.
What they really mean is that they are exceptional , unusual, not commonplace. Buried under the frost is this fact: Less than one-half of one percent of policemen misfit the uniform. That's a better average than you'd find among clergy!
What is a policeman made of? He, of all men, is once the most needed and the most unwanted.
He's a strangely nameless creature who is "Officer" to his face and "Pig" or worse to his back. He must be such a diplomat that he can settle differences between individuals so that each will think he's won.
But.. If the policeman is tidy, he's conceited; if he's careless, he's a idiot .
If he's pleasant he's flirting; if not, he's cranky.
He must make an instant decision which would require months for a lawyer to make and costs more.

But...If he hurries, he's careless; if he's deliberate, he's lazy.
He must be first to an accident and infallible with his diagnosis. He must be able to start breathing, stop bleeding and, above all, be sure the victim goes home without a limp. Or expect to be sued for his 'duty of care'.
The Officer must know every gun, draw on the run, and hit ...... where it doesn't hurt?. He must be able to tackle two men twice his size and half his age without damaging his uniform and without being "brutal". If you hit him, he's a coward.
If he hits you, he's a bully.
A policeman must know everything and not tell.
He must know where all the sin is and not partake.
A policeman must, from a single strand of hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal- and tell you where the criminal is hiding.
But...if he catches the criminal, he's lucky; if he doesn't, he's a fool. If he gets promoted, he has political pull; if he doesn't, he's a pain.
The policeman must chase a bad lead to a dead-end, stake out ten nights to tag one witness who saw it happen but refused to remember.
The policeman must be a minister, a social worker, a diplomat, a tough guy and a gentleman.

And, of course, he'd have to be genius....
For he will have to feed a family on a policeman's salary.....
Another uninformed comment by a MP who does not know all the facts
( self stated)

He also states he is trying to establish the c.
[quote][p][bold]It's all lies[/bold] wrote: I always say "Don't believe anything unless you see it yourself " the papers will alway twist a story and they can mislead without being challenged . !!!!! Another uninformed comment by a MP who does not know all the facts ( self stated) The below is worth reading .... A Police Officer is a composite of what all people are, a mingling of a saint and sinner. Underline instances of alleged dishonesty and brutality on the daily papers.... because they are after all "news " and it sells. What they really mean is that they are exceptional , unusual, not commonplace. Buried under the frost is this fact: Less than one-half of one percent of policemen misfit the uniform. That's a better average than you'd find among clergy! What is a policeman made of? He, of all men, is once the most needed and the most unwanted. He's a strangely nameless creature who is "Officer" to his face and "Pig" or worse to his back. He must be such a diplomat that he can settle differences between individuals so that each will think he's won. But.. If the policeman is tidy, he's conceited; if he's careless, he's a idiot . If he's pleasant he's flirting; if not, he's cranky. He must make an instant decision which would require months for a lawyer to make and costs more. But...If he hurries, he's careless; if he's deliberate, he's lazy. He must be first to an accident and infallible with his diagnosis. He must be able to start breathing, stop bleeding and, above all, be sure the victim goes home without a limp. Or expect to be sued for his 'duty of care'. The Officer must know every gun, draw on the run, and hit ...... where it doesn't hurt?. He must be able to tackle two men twice his size and half his age without damaging his uniform and without being "brutal". If you hit him, he's a coward. If he hits you, he's a bully. A policeman must know everything and not tell. He must know where all the sin is and not partake. A policeman must, from a single strand of hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal- and tell you where the criminal is hiding. But...if he catches the criminal, he's lucky; if he doesn't, he's a fool. If he gets promoted, he has political pull; if he doesn't, he's a pain. The policeman must chase a bad lead to a dead-end, stake out ten nights to tag one witness who saw it happen but refused to remember. The policeman must be a minister, a social worker, a diplomat, a tough guy and a gentleman. And, of course, he'd have to be genius.... For he will have to feed a family on a policeman's salary.....[/p][/quote][italic] [italic] Another uninformed comment by a MP who does not know all the facts ( self stated) [/italic] He also states he is trying to establish the c. A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence
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11:35pm Tue 23 Jul 13

A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence says...

It's all lies wrote:
Yes of course it's applied to women

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Man_(word)

They are not well paid !
I'm talking about Tvps 24/7 basic constable on the beat shoving the dross of Bucks daily !
As with all jobs, internal roles are different

Im not on about Inspectors & Supt and upwards who are well paid for their role..
What is PC's starting salary at say age 20 and what is the average salary for a person with no O levels?
[quote][p][bold]It's all lies[/bold] wrote: Yes of course it's applied to women http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Man_(word) They are not well paid ! I'm talking about Tvps 24/7 basic constable on the beat shoving the dross of Bucks daily ! As with all jobs, internal roles are different Im not on about Inspectors & Supt and upwards who are well paid for their role..[/p][/quote]What is PC's starting salary at say age 20 and what is the average salary for a person with no O levels? A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence
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11:36pm Tue 23 Jul 13

A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence says...

It's all lies wrote:
I always say "Don't believe anything unless you see it yourself " the papers will alway twist a story and they can mislead without being challenged . !!!!!

Another uninformed comment by a MP who does not know all the facts
( self stated)

The below is worth reading ....

A Police Officer is a composite of what all people are, a mingling of a saint and sinner. Underline instances of alleged dishonesty and brutality on the daily papers.... because they are after all "news " and it sells.
What they really mean is that they are exceptional , unusual, not commonplace. Buried under the frost is this fact: Less than one-half of one percent of policemen misfit the uniform. That's a better average than you'd find among clergy!
What is a policeman made of? He, of all men, is once the most needed and the most unwanted.
He's a strangely nameless creature who is "Officer" to his face and "Pig" or worse to his back. He must be such a diplomat that he can settle differences between individuals so that each will think he's won.
But.. If the policeman is tidy, he's conceited; if he's careless, he's a idiot .
If he's pleasant he's flirting; if not, he's cranky.
He must make an instant decision which would require months for a lawyer to make and costs more.

But...If he hurries, he's careless; if he's deliberate, he's lazy.
He must be first to an accident and infallible with his diagnosis. He must be able to start breathing, stop bleeding and, above all, be sure the victim goes home without a limp. Or expect to be sued for his 'duty of care'.
The Officer must know every gun, draw on the run, and hit ...... where it doesn't hurt?. He must be able to tackle two men twice his size and half his age without damaging his uniform and without being "brutal". If you hit him, he's a coward.
If he hits you, he's a bully.
A policeman must know everything and not tell.
He must know where all the sin is and not partake.
A policeman must, from a single strand of hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal- and tell you where the criminal is hiding.
But...if he catches the criminal, he's lucky; if he doesn't, he's a fool. If he gets promoted, he has political pull; if he doesn't, he's a pain.
The policeman must chase a bad lead to a dead-end, stake out ten nights to tag one witness who saw it happen but refused to remember.
The policeman must be a minister, a social worker, a diplomat, a tough guy and a gentleman.

And, of course, he'd have to be genius....
For he will have to feed a family on a policeman's salary.....
This must have been written by a police officer.
[quote][p][bold]It's all lies[/bold] wrote: I always say "Don't believe anything unless you see it yourself " the papers will alway twist a story and they can mislead without being challenged . !!!!! Another uninformed comment by a MP who does not know all the facts ( self stated) The below is worth reading .... A Police Officer is a composite of what all people are, a mingling of a saint and sinner. Underline instances of alleged dishonesty and brutality on the daily papers.... because they are after all "news " and it sells. What they really mean is that they are exceptional , unusual, not commonplace. Buried under the frost is this fact: Less than one-half of one percent of policemen misfit the uniform. That's a better average than you'd find among clergy! What is a policeman made of? He, of all men, is once the most needed and the most unwanted. He's a strangely nameless creature who is "Officer" to his face and "Pig" or worse to his back. He must be such a diplomat that he can settle differences between individuals so that each will think he's won. But.. If the policeman is tidy, he's conceited; if he's careless, he's a idiot . If he's pleasant he's flirting; if not, he's cranky. He must make an instant decision which would require months for a lawyer to make and costs more. But...If he hurries, he's careless; if he's deliberate, he's lazy. He must be first to an accident and infallible with his diagnosis. He must be able to start breathing, stop bleeding and, above all, be sure the victim goes home without a limp. Or expect to be sued for his 'duty of care'. The Officer must know every gun, draw on the run, and hit ...... where it doesn't hurt?. He must be able to tackle two men twice his size and half his age without damaging his uniform and without being "brutal". If you hit him, he's a coward. If he hits you, he's a bully. A policeman must know everything and not tell. He must know where all the sin is and not partake. A policeman must, from a single strand of hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal- and tell you where the criminal is hiding. But...if he catches the criminal, he's lucky; if he doesn't, he's a fool. If he gets promoted, he has political pull; if he doesn't, he's a pain. The policeman must chase a bad lead to a dead-end, stake out ten nights to tag one witness who saw it happen but refused to remember. The policeman must be a minister, a social worker, a diplomat, a tough guy and a gentleman. And, of course, he'd have to be genius.... For he will have to feed a family on a policeman's salary.....[/p][/quote]This must have been written by a police officer. A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence
  • Score: 0

11:40pm Tue 23 Jul 13

A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence says...

Stand up for England wrote:
Katie Bowman .. this is not an accurate account of the situation. There's always another side to the story and to make assumptions about the cops because you're anti-police is wrong. Does this really sound plausible? Don't you think the cops have got better things to do? Is the BFP reporting always accurate? ... and if/when this is proved to be bunkum, is it OK for her to walk away with no comeback yet she may have made allegations that have destroyed the careers of completely innocent cops. I'll finish here except to say there is a lot more to this than Bowman is admitting to. She is no angel !!
Well now Dominic Grieve is on the case hopefully it will all be brought into the light.
[quote][p][bold]Stand up for England[/bold] wrote: Katie Bowman .. this is not an accurate account of the situation. There's always another side to the story and to make assumptions about the cops because you're anti-police is wrong. Does this really sound plausible? Don't you think the cops have got better things to do? Is the BFP reporting always accurate? ... and if/when this is proved to be bunkum, is it OK for her to walk away with no comeback yet she may have made allegations that have destroyed the careers of completely innocent cops. I'll finish here except to say there is a lot more to this than Bowman is admitting to. She is no angel !![/p][/quote]Well now Dominic Grieve is on the case hopefully it will all be brought into the light. A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence
  • Score: 1

12:10am Wed 24 Jul 13

A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence says...

philbo wrote:
MunsterX wrote:
Stand up for England, everyone is thinking the same thing.

If a constable were behaving in this way then he would be dealt with firmly by his inspector (or indeed a local commander if the gravity of the situation merited that) simply because such conduct by a constable would kill public confidence in TVP and precipitate a breakdown in law and order. Senior officers are well aware of these situations and the need to act; does the BFP really believe they would put the safety of all their officers at risk?

In fact, there is no reason whatsoever for Grieve to be involved and waste his time referring the matter to a Chief Constable! Grieve's conduct is a slap in the face for Wycombe police station and raises questions about his own adequacy in the role of Attorney General.

I would like to see both Grieve and the BFP issue a public apology to our local constabulary.
No, not everyone is thinking the same thing. Some very specific claims have been made (read the Private Eye article - I linked to it above) which would be trivial to refute if untrue.

Yet the most TVP would do was say "some of the claims were unsubstantiated" - they didn't say any were proven false (or malicious). Some have resulted in disciplinary action, so there was enough evidence (in an unspecified number of cases) to prove misconduct.

Your attitude is extremely biased: do you work for TVP by any chance?
I was immediately reminded of comments in favour of TVP elsewhere by 'Stand up for England' when I read MunsterX's comments - are they the same person perhaps?
[quote][p][bold]philbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Stand up for England, everyone is thinking the same thing. If a constable were behaving in this way then he would be dealt with firmly by his inspector (or indeed a local commander if the gravity of the situation merited that) simply because such conduct by a constable would kill public confidence in TVP and precipitate a breakdown in law and order. Senior officers are well aware of these situations and the need to act; does the BFP really believe they would put the safety of all their officers at risk? In fact, there is no reason whatsoever for Grieve to be involved and waste his time referring the matter to a Chief Constable! Grieve's conduct is a slap in the face for Wycombe police station and raises questions about his own adequacy in the role of Attorney General. I would like to see both Grieve and the BFP issue a public apology to our local constabulary.[/p][/quote]No, not everyone is thinking the same thing. Some very specific claims have been made (read the Private Eye article - I linked to it above) which would be trivial to refute if untrue. Yet the most TVP would do was say "some of the claims were unsubstantiated" - they didn't say any were proven false (or malicious). Some have resulted in disciplinary action, so there was enough evidence (in an unspecified number of cases) to prove misconduct. Your attitude is extremely biased: do you work for TVP by any chance?[/p][/quote]I was immediately reminded of comments in favour of TVP elsewhere by 'Stand up for England' when I read MunsterX's comments - are they the same person perhaps? A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence
  • Score: 0

12:12am Wed 24 Jul 13

A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence says...

A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence wrote:
It's all lies wrote:
I always say "Don't believe anything unless you see it yourself " the papers will alway twist a story and they can mislead without being challenged . !!!!!

Another uninformed comment by a MP who does not know all the facts
( self stated)

The below is worth reading ....

A Police Officer is a composite of what all people are, a mingling of a saint and sinner. Underline instances of alleged dishonesty and brutality on the daily papers.... because they are after all "news " and it sells.
What they really mean is that they are exceptional , unusual, not commonplace. Buried under the frost is this fact: Less than one-half of one percent of policemen misfit the uniform. That's a better average than you'd find among clergy!
What is a policeman made of? He, of all men, is once the most needed and the most unwanted.
He's a strangely nameless creature who is "Officer" to his face and "Pig" or worse to his back. He must be such a diplomat that he can settle differences between individuals so that each will think he's won.
But.. If the policeman is tidy, he's conceited; if he's careless, he's a idiot .
If he's pleasant he's flirting; if not, he's cranky.
He must make an instant decision which would require months for a lawyer to make and costs more.

But...If he hurries, he's careless; if he's deliberate, he's lazy.
He must be first to an accident and infallible with his diagnosis. He must be able to start breathing, stop bleeding and, above all, be sure the victim goes home without a limp. Or expect to be sued for his 'duty of care'.
The Officer must know every gun, draw on the run, and hit ...... where it doesn't hurt?. He must be able to tackle two men twice his size and half his age without damaging his uniform and without being "brutal". If you hit him, he's a coward.
If he hits you, he's a bully.
A policeman must know everything and not tell.
He must know where all the sin is and not partake.
A policeman must, from a single strand of hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal- and tell you where the criminal is hiding.
But...if he catches the criminal, he's lucky; if he doesn't, he's a fool. If he gets promoted, he has political pull; if he doesn't, he's a pain.
The policeman must chase a bad lead to a dead-end, stake out ten nights to tag one witness who saw it happen but refused to remember.
The policeman must be a minister, a social worker, a diplomat, a tough guy and a gentleman.

And, of course, he'd have to be genius....
For he will have to feed a family on a policeman's salary.....
Another uninformed comment by a MP who does not know all the facts
( self stated)

He also states he is trying to establish the c.
That comment should have said:

' He also states he is trying to establish the facts.'
[quote][p][bold]A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's all lies[/bold] wrote: I always say "Don't believe anything unless you see it yourself " the papers will alway twist a story and they can mislead without being challenged . !!!!! Another uninformed comment by a MP who does not know all the facts ( self stated) The below is worth reading .... A Police Officer is a composite of what all people are, a mingling of a saint and sinner. Underline instances of alleged dishonesty and brutality on the daily papers.... because they are after all "news " and it sells. What they really mean is that they are exceptional , unusual, not commonplace. Buried under the frost is this fact: Less than one-half of one percent of policemen misfit the uniform. That's a better average than you'd find among clergy! What is a policeman made of? He, of all men, is once the most needed and the most unwanted. He's a strangely nameless creature who is "Officer" to his face and "Pig" or worse to his back. He must be such a diplomat that he can settle differences between individuals so that each will think he's won. But.. If the policeman is tidy, he's conceited; if he's careless, he's a idiot . If he's pleasant he's flirting; if not, he's cranky. He must make an instant decision which would require months for a lawyer to make and costs more. But...If he hurries, he's careless; if he's deliberate, he's lazy. He must be first to an accident and infallible with his diagnosis. He must be able to start breathing, stop bleeding and, above all, be sure the victim goes home without a limp. Or expect to be sued for his 'duty of care'. The Officer must know every gun, draw on the run, and hit ...... where it doesn't hurt?. He must be able to tackle two men twice his size and half his age without damaging his uniform and without being "brutal". If you hit him, he's a coward. If he hits you, he's a bully. A policeman must know everything and not tell. He must know where all the sin is and not partake. A policeman must, from a single strand of hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal- and tell you where the criminal is hiding. But...if he catches the criminal, he's lucky; if he doesn't, he's a fool. If he gets promoted, he has political pull; if he doesn't, he's a pain. The policeman must chase a bad lead to a dead-end, stake out ten nights to tag one witness who saw it happen but refused to remember. The policeman must be a minister, a social worker, a diplomat, a tough guy and a gentleman. And, of course, he'd have to be genius.... For he will have to feed a family on a policeman's salary.....[/p][/quote][italic] [italic] Another uninformed comment by a MP who does not know all the facts ( self stated) [/italic] He also states he is trying to establish the c.[/p][/quote]That comment should have said: ' He also states he is trying to establish the facts.' A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence
  • Score: 0

12:20am Wed 24 Jul 13

A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence says...

MunsterX wrote:
It's amazing how men in powerful roles (Attorney General, BFP Editor, Independent Councillor etc...) come out in shining armour to protect the maiden with neither questions asked nor sense applied.

Each may be married to a "Cautious Carol" type and this may provide something of an ego boost. May I suggest that these gentlemen have a sit down with a fruity magazine and a box of kleenex and reconsider their views afterwards. We should all be singing from the same sheet then!

Funny thing the male brain.
This article is all about Grieve asking questions – as he ought to in such circumstances.

Your comments here suggest your own male brain is a little bit on the uncontrolled side.

I suppose if the TVP come out of this whiter than white as a result of Grieve's enquiries you will tehn say that this justifies the absurd stuff you and ‘Stand up for England’ have been posting here.
[quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: It's amazing how men in powerful roles (Attorney General, BFP Editor, Independent Councillor etc...) come out in shining armour to protect the maiden with neither questions asked nor sense applied. Each may be married to a "Cautious Carol" type and this may provide something of an ego boost. May I suggest that these gentlemen have a sit down with a fruity magazine and a box of kleenex and reconsider their views afterwards. We should all be singing from the same sheet then! Funny thing the male brain.[/p][/quote]This article is [italic]all about [/italic] Grieve asking questions – as he ought to in such circumstances. Your comments here suggest your own male brain is a little bit on the uncontrolled side. I suppose if the TVP come out of this whiter than white as a result of Grieve's enquiries you will tehn say that this justifies the absurd stuff you and ‘Stand up for England’ have been posting here. A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence
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12:24am Wed 24 Jul 13

A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence says...

'There is a certain type of lady who will share the first ten years womanhood with uniform or athletic/bodybuilder

s types ...' - '"Cautious Carol" type'

Perhaps you should think how real people in the real world behave and stop typecasting them.
'There is a certain type of lady who will share the first ten years womanhood with uniform or athletic/bodybuilder s types ...' - '"Cautious Carol" type' Perhaps you should think how real people in the real world behave and stop typecasting them. A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence
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12:59am Wed 24 Jul 13

A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence says...

philbo wrote:
MunsterX wrote:
Stand up for England, everyone is thinking the same thing.

If a constable were behaving in this way then he would be dealt with firmly by his inspector (or indeed a local commander if the gravity of the situation merited that) simply because such conduct by a constable would kill public confidence in TVP and precipitate a breakdown in law and order. Senior officers are well aware of these situations and the need to act; does the BFP really believe they would put the safety of all their officers at risk?

In fact, there is no reason whatsoever for Grieve to be involved and waste his time referring the matter to a Chief Constable! Grieve's conduct is a slap in the face for Wycombe police station and raises questions about his own adequacy in the role of Attorney General.

I would like to see both Grieve and the BFP issue a public apology to our local constabulary.
No, not everyone is thinking the same thing. Some very specific claims have been made (read the Private Eye article - I linked to it above) which would be trivial to refute if untrue.

Yet the most TVP would do was say "some of the claims were unsubstantiated" - they didn't say any were proven false (or malicious). Some have resulted in disciplinary action, so there was enough evidence (in an unspecified number of cases) to prove misconduct.

Your attitude is extremely biased: do you work for TVP by any chance?
He has said elsewhere here, recently that he has been familiar with TVP officers for 20 years - unfortunately I can't find the URL now.
[quote][p][bold]philbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Stand up for England, everyone is thinking the same thing. If a constable were behaving in this way then he would be dealt with firmly by his inspector (or indeed a local commander if the gravity of the situation merited that) simply because such conduct by a constable would kill public confidence in TVP and precipitate a breakdown in law and order. Senior officers are well aware of these situations and the need to act; does the BFP really believe they would put the safety of all their officers at risk? In fact, there is no reason whatsoever for Grieve to be involved and waste his time referring the matter to a Chief Constable! Grieve's conduct is a slap in the face for Wycombe police station and raises questions about his own adequacy in the role of Attorney General. I would like to see both Grieve and the BFP issue a public apology to our local constabulary.[/p][/quote]No, not everyone is thinking the same thing. Some very specific claims have been made (read the Private Eye article - I linked to it above) which would be trivial to refute if untrue. Yet the most TVP would do was say "some of the claims were unsubstantiated" - they didn't say any were proven false (or malicious). Some have resulted in disciplinary action, so there was enough evidence (in an unspecified number of cases) to prove misconduct. Your attitude is extremely biased: do you work for TVP by any chance?[/p][/quote]He has said elsewhere here, recently that he has been familiar with TVP officers for 20 years - unfortunately I can't find the URL now. A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence
  • Score: 0

11:20am Wed 24 Jul 13

A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence says...

A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence wrote:
It's all lies wrote:
I always say "Don't believe anything unless you see it yourself " the papers will alway twist a story and they can mislead without being challenged . !!!!!

Another uninformed comment by a MP who does not know all the facts
( self stated)

The below is worth reading ....

A Police Officer is a composite of what all people are, a mingling of a saint and sinner. Underline instances of alleged dishonesty and brutality on the daily papers.... because they are after all "news " and it sells.
What they really mean is that they are exceptional , unusual, not commonplace. Buried under the frost is this fact: Less than one-half of one percent of policemen misfit the uniform. That's a better average than you'd find among clergy!
What is a policeman made of? He, of all men, is once the most needed and the most unwanted.
He's a strangely nameless creature who is "Officer" to his face and "Pig" or worse to his back. He must be such a diplomat that he can settle differences between individuals so that each will think he's won.
But.. If the policeman is tidy, he's conceited; if he's careless, he's a idiot .
If he's pleasant he's flirting; if not, he's cranky.
He must make an instant decision which would require months for a lawyer to make and costs more.

But...If he hurries, he's careless; if he's deliberate, he's lazy.
He must be first to an accident and infallible with his diagnosis. He must be able to start breathing, stop bleeding and, above all, be sure the victim goes home without a limp. Or expect to be sued for his 'duty of care'.
The Officer must know every gun, draw on the run, and hit ...... where it doesn't hurt?. He must be able to tackle two men twice his size and half his age without damaging his uniform and without being "brutal". If you hit him, he's a coward.
If he hits you, he's a bully.
A policeman must know everything and not tell.
He must know where all the sin is and not partake.
A policeman must, from a single strand of hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal- and tell you where the criminal is hiding.
But...if he catches the criminal, he's lucky; if he doesn't, he's a fool. If he gets promoted, he has political pull; if he doesn't, he's a pain.
The policeman must chase a bad lead to a dead-end, stake out ten nights to tag one witness who saw it happen but refused to remember.
The policeman must be a minister, a social worker, a diplomat, a tough guy and a gentleman.

And, of course, he'd have to be genius....
For he will have to feed a family on a policeman's salary.....
This must have been written by a police officer.
Or a wannabe police officer.
[quote][p][bold]A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's all lies[/bold] wrote: I always say "Don't believe anything unless you see it yourself " the papers will alway twist a story and they can mislead without being challenged . !!!!! Another uninformed comment by a MP who does not know all the facts ( self stated) The below is worth reading .... A Police Officer is a composite of what all people are, a mingling of a saint and sinner. Underline instances of alleged dishonesty and brutality on the daily papers.... because they are after all "news " and it sells. What they really mean is that they are exceptional , unusual, not commonplace. Buried under the frost is this fact: Less than one-half of one percent of policemen misfit the uniform. That's a better average than you'd find among clergy! What is a policeman made of? He, of all men, is once the most needed and the most unwanted. He's a strangely nameless creature who is "Officer" to his face and "Pig" or worse to his back. He must be such a diplomat that he can settle differences between individuals so that each will think he's won. But.. If the policeman is tidy, he's conceited; if he's careless, he's a idiot . If he's pleasant he's flirting; if not, he's cranky. He must make an instant decision which would require months for a lawyer to make and costs more. But...If he hurries, he's careless; if he's deliberate, he's lazy. He must be first to an accident and infallible with his diagnosis. He must be able to start breathing, stop bleeding and, above all, be sure the victim goes home without a limp. Or expect to be sued for his 'duty of care'. The Officer must know every gun, draw on the run, and hit ...... where it doesn't hurt?. He must be able to tackle two men twice his size and half his age without damaging his uniform and without being "brutal". If you hit him, he's a coward. If he hits you, he's a bully. A policeman must know everything and not tell. He must know where all the sin is and not partake. A policeman must, from a single strand of hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal- and tell you where the criminal is hiding. But...if he catches the criminal, he's lucky; if he doesn't, he's a fool. If he gets promoted, he has political pull; if he doesn't, he's a pain. The policeman must chase a bad lead to a dead-end, stake out ten nights to tag one witness who saw it happen but refused to remember. The policeman must be a minister, a social worker, a diplomat, a tough guy and a gentleman. And, of course, he'd have to be genius.... For he will have to feed a family on a policeman's salary.....[/p][/quote]This must have been written by a police officer.[/p][/quote]Or a wannabe police officer. A third source close to Clyde and Lawrence
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