Anger over 'one parent' limit for Marlow carol concert

Bucks Free Press: Anger over 'one parent' limit for carol concert Anger over 'one parent' limit for carol concert

PARENTS have threatened to boycott a popular school carol concert after being told only one member from each family can attend due to health and safety fears.

Concerned Marlow parents said they received a letter from Holy Trinity C of E School stating that unlike previous years, its annual carol concert at All Saints Church was limited to one ticket per child.

This caused an outcry from parents who claim the special significance of Tuesday’s event will be ruined if only one family member can go.

One mother, who did not want to be named, said: "Everyone is up in arms because this is a lovely family event and if only one family member is allowed it will ruin it.

"I am divorced from my husband so that makes it very difficult for us because he has already enquired about tickets.

"They said they are putting on a second event at the school, but it won’t be the same as it’s always a special atmosphere.

"I watched my son sing when he was at Holy Trinity and now it is my daughter’s turn I want to see her too. There has been some talk about boycotting the event."

The yearly tradition attracts hundreds of proud parents who gather at the Causeway church to watch their young choristers in action.

Another angry parent said children should not be forced to choose which parent comes to here them sing.

She said: "It’s meant to be a magical time of year and it does feel as though the festive spirit is missing.

"You don’t get asked who is coming when you hold a funeral in church, because of health and safety."

Rev. Dave Bull, Rector at All Saints said the measures have been taken because there are 178 children taking part - 38 more than last year.

He insists the two-ticket policy had to be lowered to one per family to avoid exceeding the 425-people maximum set down by fire regulations.

Rev. Bull said: "As a Holy Trinity school parent myself, I understand how disappointing it is that not every parent will be able to attend the school’s carol service in All Saints’ this year.

"I hope those parents who have missed out on a ticket will be able to enjoy the extra ‘assembly style’ service that the school is organising, or alternatively they would be warmly welcomed at any of our other Christmas services."

Catherine Carter, Headteacher at Holy Trinity, said it is important the extra pupils who want to take part can be included in the concert.

She said:"As a school we believe strongly in developing the ‘whole child’ and therefore always strive to ensure that all children who wish can be involved in such special events, rather than just a select few, creating special memories for the children and raising their self-esteem and confidence."

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9:19am Sat 14 Dec 13

gpn01 says...

If the parents who say they will boycott the event don't request tickets then that will leave more tickets for the less easily angered parents.
If the parents who say they will boycott the event don't request tickets then that will leave more tickets for the less easily angered parents. gpn01

11:51am Sat 14 Dec 13

aaaali says...

I'm fairly certain that all families where there is more than one parent will be equally angered. This is a church school and the Christmas carol event is the most important for the families. Since when did any church restrict the number of attendees?

However if there are 178 pupils and only one ticket allocated per family there will be hundreds of empty seats. Anyway 178 x 2 (average number of parents in a family right?) equals 356 parents (or other family members) still way under the health and safety regulations.
I'm fairly certain that all families where there is more than one parent will be equally angered. This is a church school and the Christmas carol event is the most important for the families. Since when did any church restrict the number of attendees? However if there are 178 pupils and only one ticket allocated per family there will be hundreds of empty seats. Anyway 178 x 2 (average number of parents in a family right?) equals 356 parents (or other family members) still way under the health and safety regulations. aaaali

1:09pm Sat 14 Dec 13

gpn01 says...

aaaali wrote:
I'm fairly certain that all families where there is more than one parent will be equally angered. This is a church school and the Christmas carol event is the most important for the families. Since when did any church restrict the number of attendees?

However if there are 178 pupils and only one ticket allocated per family there will be hundreds of empty seats. Anyway 178 x 2 (average number of parents in a family right?) equals 356 parents (or other family members) still way under the health and safety regulations.
Your maths is correct 178 x 2 = 356 which is well under the limit. Unlikely to then be a problem because it means most of the children due to take part couldn't as 178 x 3 = 534, which is well above the safety limit.
[quote][p][bold]aaaali[/bold] wrote: I'm fairly certain that all families where there is more than one parent will be equally angered. This is a church school and the Christmas carol event is the most important for the families. Since when did any church restrict the number of attendees? However if there are 178 pupils and only one ticket allocated per family there will be hundreds of empty seats. Anyway 178 x 2 (average number of parents in a family right?) equals 356 parents (or other family members) still way under the health and safety regulations.[/p][/quote]Your maths is correct 178 x 2 = 356 which is well under the limit. Unlikely to then be a problem because it means most of the children due to take part couldn't as 178 x 3 = 534, which is well above the safety limit. gpn01

2:09pm Sat 14 Dec 13

geoffW says...

Imagine what would happen if tickets were allocated on a first come - first served basis. The outrage of the parents who missed out altogether. Parents withdrawing their children from the concert in protest.

If they do go over the limit the school can be prosecuted and their licence for public performance withdrawn. The school's insurance would be void ,,, etc ,,,etc.
Imagine what would happen if tickets were allocated on a first come - first served basis. The outrage of the parents who missed out altogether. Parents withdrawing their children from the concert in protest. If they do go over the limit the school can be prosecuted and their licence for public performance withdrawn. The school's insurance would be void ,,, etc ,,,etc. geoffW

2:29pm Sat 14 Dec 13

gpn01 says...

Taking a more positive slant on the story, isn't it wonderful to hear that the school is holding such a popular event. Great to hear that so many parents are taking an interest in their children too. So often we hear a how children are ignored by their parents. Clearly it shows what a good school it is. The organisersorganisers should be congratulated for doing a good job and for keeping everyone''s safety paramount. Hopefully there will be sufficient parents who are sufficiently intelligent and reasonable to come up with an amicable solution.
Taking a more positive slant on the story, isn't it wonderful to hear that the school is holding such a popular event. Great to hear that so many parents are taking an interest in their children too. So often we hear a how children are ignored by their parents. Clearly it shows what a good school it is. The organisersorganisers should be congratulated for doing a good job and for keeping everyone''s safety paramount. Hopefully there will be sufficient parents who are sufficiently intelligent and reasonable to come up with an amicable solution. gpn01

3:49pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Elliston Phant says...

So as the Rev will be there, he will be the parent attending and Mrs Rev will not be there? Of course, if you happen to have two children taking part you presumably get two tickets?
Somebody could perhaps tell the.BFP reporter that you HEAR with your EAR and you are here if you are not there!
So as the Rev will be there, he will be the parent attending and Mrs Rev will not be there? Of course, if you happen to have two children taking part you presumably get two tickets? Somebody could perhaps tell the.BFP reporter that you HEAR with your EAR and you are here if you are not there! Elliston Phant

4:54pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Anita21072 says...

Why don't they issue 1 ticket to each family and then issue the remaining tickets one at a time and first come first served. Some parents will have work commitments and not be able to make it. There may actually be enough tickets to go round.
Why don't they issue 1 ticket to each family and then issue the remaining tickets one at a time and first come first served. Some parents will have work commitments and not be able to make it. There may actually be enough tickets to go round. Anita21072

10:20am Mon 16 Dec 13

HW1 says...

I think the problem is down to the School allowing too many pupils to take part. You would expect a school to be able to do a bit of mathematics but then with today's standard of eduction perhaps I expect too much!! So here goes Head Teacher learn some mathematics. If a church that holds 425 people is holding a carol service for schoolchildren who can bring both parents how many children can attend. 425 ÷ 3 = 141 with 2 seats left over. Of course if a few teachers hope to go then you would to deduct that number from 425 before dividing by 3. Then again if the teachers cannot do simple mathematics like this perhaps they should stay at school and brush up on their maths leaving the parents to take the children to church. Simples!!
I think the problem is down to the School allowing too many pupils to take part. You would expect a school to be able to do a bit of mathematics but then with today's standard of eduction perhaps I expect too much!! So here goes Head Teacher learn some mathematics. If a church that holds 425 people is holding a carol service for schoolchildren who can bring both parents how many children can attend. 425 ÷ 3 = 141 with 2 seats left over. Of course if a few teachers hope to go then you would to deduct that number from 425 before dividing by 3. Then again if the teachers cannot do simple mathematics like this perhaps they should stay at school and brush up on their maths leaving the parents to take the children to church. Simples!! HW1

4:41pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Marlow Mum says...

I'm with the Vicar on this one. Parents are welcome to attend any other service over the Christmas period if they are so keen on attending the church. They are quite able to take any number of their children with them to see them sing.
This is the very definition of a storm in a teacup.
I'm with the Vicar on this one. Parents are welcome to attend any other service over the Christmas period if they are so keen on attending the church. They are quite able to take any number of their children with them to see them sing. This is the very definition of a storm in a teacup. Marlow Mum

6:25pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mother henpeck says...

gpn01 wrote:
If the parents who say they will boycott the event don't request tickets then that will leave more tickets for the less easily angered parents.
love it!!!!
[quote][p][bold]gpn01[/bold] wrote: If the parents who say they will boycott the event don't request tickets then that will leave more tickets for the less easily angered parents.[/p][/quote]love it!!!! mother henpeck

6:31pm Mon 16 Dec 13

mother henpeck says...

a parent who wished not to be named!!!!!!!!!! come on if you got something to say don't hide your name god stop wingeing get over it there are more important things in life that this simple don't go don't let your kid take part sorted!!! :)
a parent who wished not to be named!!!!!!!!!! come on if you got something to say don't hide your name god stop wingeing get over it there are more important things in life that this simple don't go don't let your kid take part sorted!!! :) mother henpeck

10:38pm Mon 16 Dec 13

gpn01 says...

HW1 wrote:
I think the problem is down to the School allowing too many pupils to take part. You would expect a school to be able to do a bit of mathematics but then with today's standard of eduction perhaps I expect too much!! So here goes Head Teacher learn some mathematics. If a church that holds 425 people is holding a carol service for schoolchildren who can bring both parents how many children can attend. 425 ÷ 3 = 141 with 2 seats left over. Of course if a few teachers hope to go then you would to deduct that number from 425 before dividing by 3. Then again if the teachers cannot do simple mathematics like this perhaps they should stay at school and brush up on their maths leaving the parents to take the children to church. Simples!!
The issue isn't a mathematics problem, it's a societal one. Parents should be setting an example of how to deal with the challenges that the children will face in life - how to deal with the problem of limited resources, conflicting priorities, etc. Sadly it appears that a few parents are more inclined to stamp their feet and complain rather than help to work out how to solve the problem. They seem more focused on pointing the finger of blame and absolving themselves of the responsibility of looking after their children - " children should not be forced to choose which parent comes to here them sing" is a great example of a refusal to accept responsibility for working out how to best deal with the problem!

The parents should be demonstrating compassion and common sense and ensuring that the event is a success for those taking part, i.e. the children. After all, this is a school event for the children, not an opportunity for parents to play petty politics (and one wonders how the issue made it into the local press).

It seems the proposal of one parent per child is a fair one aimed to ensure that the majority of people can participate and enjoy what is sure to be a magical event. If aggrieved parents can come up with a better approach then why don't they discuss it with the organisers, rather than trying to play the blame game?

I find it really sad that some 'adults' think that the answer is to exclude their children from the event, thereby robbing the child of the enjoyable experience because the parent can't have their own way. As I said at the beginning though, this illustrates a societal problem and it really isn't due to maths!
[quote][p][bold]HW1[/bold] wrote: I think the problem is down to the School allowing too many pupils to take part. You would expect a school to be able to do a bit of mathematics but then with today's standard of eduction perhaps I expect too much!! So here goes Head Teacher learn some mathematics. If a church that holds 425 people is holding a carol service for schoolchildren who can bring both parents how many children can attend. 425 ÷ 3 = 141 with 2 seats left over. Of course if a few teachers hope to go then you would to deduct that number from 425 before dividing by 3. Then again if the teachers cannot do simple mathematics like this perhaps they should stay at school and brush up on their maths leaving the parents to take the children to church. Simples!![/p][/quote]The issue isn't a mathematics problem, it's a societal one. Parents should be setting an example of how to deal with the challenges that the children will face in life - how to deal with the problem of limited resources, conflicting priorities, etc. Sadly it appears that a few parents are more inclined to stamp their feet and complain rather than help to work out how to solve the problem. They seem more focused on pointing the finger of blame and absolving themselves of the responsibility of looking after their children - " children should not be forced to choose which parent comes to here them sing" is a great example of a refusal to accept responsibility for working out how to best deal with the problem! The parents should be demonstrating compassion and common sense and ensuring that the event is a success for those taking part, i.e. the children. After all, this is a school event for the children, not an opportunity for parents to play petty politics (and one wonders how the issue made it into the local press). It seems the proposal of one parent per child is a fair one aimed to ensure that the majority of people can participate and enjoy what is sure to be a magical event. If aggrieved parents can come up with a better approach then why don't they discuss it with the organisers, rather than trying to play the blame game? I find it really sad that some 'adults' think that the answer is to exclude their children from the event, thereby robbing the child of the enjoyable experience because the parent can't have their own way. As I said at the beginning though, this illustrates a societal problem and it really isn't due to maths! gpn01

1:00pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Bartholomew HuckleBerry says...

Apply the same policy when it comes to the church. We shall see how many parents get up on arms and cause the same storm ! It is pathetic from the parents this kind of behaviour. No wonder their children turn out to be the same !!!!
Apply the same policy when it comes to the church. We shall see how many parents get up on arms and cause the same storm ! It is pathetic from the parents this kind of behaviour. No wonder their children turn out to be the same !!!! Bartholomew HuckleBerry

1:30pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Holy Trinity School says...

Please visit our website: www.holytrinity.buck
s.sch.uk to read a statement about the Carol Service. You will find a full explanation as to why we have had to take the steps we have this year and also an explanation as to how the remaining tickets were allocated.
Please visit our website: www.holytrinity.buck s.sch.uk to read a statement about the Carol Service. You will find a full explanation as to why we have had to take the steps we have this year and also an explanation as to how the remaining tickets were allocated. Holy Trinity School

10:40pm Tue 17 Dec 13

gpn01 says...

Holy Trinity School wrote:
Please visit our website: www.holytrinity.buck

s.sch.uk to read a statement about the Carol Service. You will find a full explanation as to why we have had to take the steps we have this year and also an explanation as to how the remaining tickets were allocated.
What a sensible and considered approach. Some parents would be well advised to attend this school as pupils as it looks like they could learn a lot about common sense.
[quote][p][bold]Holy Trinity School[/bold] wrote: Please visit our website: www.holytrinity.buck s.sch.uk to read a statement about the Carol Service. You will find a full explanation as to why we have had to take the steps we have this year and also an explanation as to how the remaining tickets were allocated.[/p][/quote]What a sensible and considered approach. Some parents would be well advised to attend this school as pupils as it looks like they could learn a lot about common sense. gpn01

8:22am Wed 18 Dec 13

spottergirl says...

My children attended both Marlow C of E school and Holy Trinity School.We didn't have this when my children attended there. Both my boys sang in the choir at All Saints Church. I assume that the Rev. Bull doesn't mind the church being packed to the rafters for Sunday Services.. No health and safety measures there.
My children attended both Marlow C of E school and Holy Trinity School.We didn't have this when my children attended there. Both my boys sang in the choir at All Saints Church. I assume that the Rev. Bull doesn't mind the church being packed to the rafters for Sunday Services.. No health and safety measures there. spottergirl

9:32am Wed 18 Dec 13

BucksComment says...

Seems a sensible solution from the school. Too many parents are quick to complain when they are personally impacted but I doubt many help out at the PTA or as Governors.

Allocation should be made as a return to contribution to the school. Merry Christmas
Seems a sensible solution from the school. Too many parents are quick to complain when they are personally impacted but I doubt many help out at the PTA or as Governors. Allocation should be made as a return to contribution to the school. Merry Christmas BucksComment

2:47pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Cooger says...

Come on BFP hear not here
"Another angry parent said children should not be forced to choose which
parent comes to here them sing."
Come on BFP hear not here "Another angry parent said children should not be forced to choose which parent comes to here them sing." Cooger

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