Labour slams council decision to pass on Muslim burial chamber respacing costs

Labour slams council decision to pass on Muslim burial chamber respacing costs

Labour slams council decision to pass on Muslim burial chamber respacing costs

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A COUNCIL has given the go-ahead to pass on costs for respacing burial chambers to members of Wycombe’s Muslim community - a move which the Labour party claims is making mourners pay for the authority’s mistake.

Labour last month ‘called in’ a decision made by Wycombe District Council to pass on the cost of the alteration to the town’s cemetery after members of the Muslim community deemed the newly installed chambers to be too close together - meaning they would have to walk over the burial vaults to reach the one they wished to visit.

But WDC last week decided to proceed with imposing the charges, and maintain the type of chambers installed are in use by members of the Muslim community in other areas.

It said even with the respacing costs passed on, the burial fee is cheaper than before the new system was installed.

In 2011 WDC agreed to install the concrete chambers at the request of members of the area’s Muslim population, as a more appropriate Islamic burial method.

The plan was originally set to cut burial costs for the Muslim community from around £1,500 to around £1,000.

WDC will now pass on the cost of respacing the chambers to those using them at a charge of around £300, which the council says is still a saving of around £136 on the previous overall charge.

Wycombe's Labour group says the council was wrongly advised over the kind of burial chambers it installed and now refuses to acknowledge its mistake.

Councillor Khalil Ahmed, Labour, said "This issue is important to the Muslim community in Wycombe; there is a real sense that WDC needed to play fair. So I am very disappointed that WDC has decided to charge the Muslim community for the Council’s mistake."

The party says it checked with two districts where this style of burial chamber was supposedly in use by the Muslim community, but said it found that in one case the chambers were used by families from the Caribbean and Italy, and in the other the spacing was wider.

Labour Cllr Mohammed Hanif said while his party had double checked this, the Tory-led WDC had not. He added it was "a great shame that they (Tory councillors) haven’t the integrity to change their minds when they know they are wrong".

But WDC told the BFP that, while it did not originally state the vault arrangements had to be exclusively for Muslim use when it asked for examples from its contractor, it does have photographic evidence of other cemeteries where the Wycombe vault arrangement is installed.

It added that one of the authorities contacted by Labour had not been cited as an example by the contractor. The wider spaced chambers, the council added, would have also been more expensive to install and would therefore have been more expensive for users.

A statement from council spokesman Catherine Spalton said: "It is regrettable that in our initial efforts to provide an improved burial service for Muslim residents, by installing new concrete chambers, we did not meet the specific requirements that some of our local Muslim religious leaders have. We are very sorry for any distress that we may have caused as a result."

She said that a new order for the chambers has now been placed, adding: "Our cemetery operates on a full cost-recovery basis on burials, which are charged at cost. With the installation of concrete chambers, a Muslim resident will pay £136 less for a burial vault than they currently do for a metal framed burial."

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2:55pm Fri 24 Jan 14

tigeran says...

Let's see, a Muslim, labour councillor is kicking up a fuss about one of the few decisions the council makes that make sense I.e you want something done, you pay for it...... Hmmm I am glad this Muslim councillor is thinking of the best for ALL of the community and not just 'his own'. I would have thought, being a councillor he would be promoting integration and not widening the gap as what seems to be far too many of the Muslim community seem hell bent on doing. There seems to be more and more demands from the Muslim community that benefit them and only them, but expect everyone else to pay or fall in line with what they want.
Let's see, a Muslim, labour councillor is kicking up a fuss about one of the few decisions the council makes that make sense I.e you want something done, you pay for it...... Hmmm I am glad this Muslim councillor is thinking of the best for ALL of the community and not just 'his own'. I would have thought, being a councillor he would be promoting integration and not widening the gap as what seems to be far too many of the Muslim community seem hell bent on doing. There seems to be more and more demands from the Muslim community that benefit them and only them, but expect everyone else to pay or fall in line with what they want. tigeran
  • Score: 20

3:51pm Fri 24 Jan 14

sidthesexist says...

So the Muslims want special concrete graves but don't want to pay for them? Business as usual then? This Councillor is no doubt trying to just win the Islamic block vote for this years euro elections and next years national..
So the Muslims want special concrete graves but don't want to pay for them? Business as usual then? This Councillor is no doubt trying to just win the Islamic block vote for this years euro elections and next years national.. sidthesexist
  • Score: 20

4:20pm Fri 24 Jan 14

ucantalk says...

tigeran wrote:
Let's see, a Muslim, labour councillor is kicking up a fuss about one of the few decisions the council makes that make sense I.e you want something done, you pay for it...... Hmmm I am glad this Muslim councillor is thinking of the best for ALL of the community and not just 'his own'. I would have thought, being a councillor he would be promoting integration and not widening the gap as what seems to be far too many of the Muslim community seem hell bent on doing. There seems to be more and more demands from the Muslim community that benefit them and only them, but expect everyone else to pay or fall in line with what they want.
Well well well Tigeran making comments without any thought as usual!
At least the Muslim Councillor is standing up for his community which more than what can be said about the rest. Besides this blunder actually involves the Muslim community so therefore you would expect a Muslim Councillor to speak up about his own community. Something you might be surprised to know that during a Twon Committee meeting when the issue was discussed, it was Cllr Snaith and Cllr Columb who put forward a motion to have WDC pick up the tab for their own mistakes. Furthermore Cllr Columb's remark was 'this is massive cockup by the officers'. Therefore think before you write.
[quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: Let's see, a Muslim, labour councillor is kicking up a fuss about one of the few decisions the council makes that make sense I.e you want something done, you pay for it...... Hmmm I am glad this Muslim councillor is thinking of the best for ALL of the community and not just 'his own'. I would have thought, being a councillor he would be promoting integration and not widening the gap as what seems to be far too many of the Muslim community seem hell bent on doing. There seems to be more and more demands from the Muslim community that benefit them and only them, but expect everyone else to pay or fall in line with what they want.[/p][/quote]Well well well Tigeran making comments without any thought as usual! At least the Muslim Councillor is standing up for his community which more than what can be said about the rest. Besides this blunder actually involves the Muslim community so therefore you would expect a Muslim Councillor to speak up about his own community. Something you might be surprised to know that during a Twon Committee meeting when the issue was discussed, it was Cllr Snaith and Cllr Columb who put forward a motion to have WDC pick up the tab for their own mistakes. Furthermore Cllr Columb's remark was 'this is massive cockup by the officers'. Therefore think before you write. ucantalk
  • Score: -10

4:23pm Fri 24 Jan 14

ucantalk says...

sidthesexist wrote:
So the Muslims want special concrete graves but don't want to pay for them? Business as usual then? This Councillor is no doubt trying to just win the Islamic block vote for this years euro elections and next years national..
Yes the Muslims want special concrete graves, they would have happily paid for them and still are happy to pay for them but not prepared to pay for WDC's mistakes. So to talk about an issue which is clearly wrong means that you are trying to win votes - get a life you loser!
[quote][p][bold]sidthesexist[/bold] wrote: So the Muslims want special concrete graves but don't want to pay for them? Business as usual then? This Councillor is no doubt trying to just win the Islamic block vote for this years euro elections and next years national..[/p][/quote]Yes the Muslims want special concrete graves, they would have happily paid for them and still are happy to pay for them but not prepared to pay for WDC's mistakes. So to talk about an issue which is clearly wrong means that you are trying to win votes - get a life you loser! ucantalk
  • Score: -7

5:38pm Fri 24 Jan 14

mother henpeck says...

what a p##s take yet again makes me sick cant wait to get out of this town
what a p##s take yet again makes me sick cant wait to get out of this town mother henpeck
  • Score: 12

6:40pm Fri 24 Jan 14

tigeran says...

ucantalk wrote:
tigeran wrote:
Let's see, a Muslim, labour councillor is kicking up a fuss about one of the few decisions the council makes that make sense I.e you want something done, you pay for it...... Hmmm I am glad this Muslim councillor is thinking of the best for ALL of the community and not just 'his own'. I would have thought, being a councillor he would be promoting integration and not widening the gap as what seems to be far too many of the Muslim community seem hell bent on doing. There seems to be more and more demands from the Muslim community that benefit them and only them, but expect everyone else to pay or fall in line with what they want.
Well well well Tigeran making comments without any thought as usual!
At least the Muslim Councillor is standing up for his community which more than what can be said about the rest. Besides this blunder actually involves the Muslim community so therefore you would expect a Muslim Councillor to speak up about his own community. Something you might be surprised to know that during a Twon Committee meeting when the issue was discussed, it was Cllr Snaith and Cllr Columb who put forward a motion to have WDC pick up the tab for their own mistakes. Furthermore Cllr Columb's remark was 'this is massive cockup by the officers'. Therefore think before you write.
Ah, so you admit he is segregating his responsibilities as a councillor for everyone and just looking after 'his own' and creating a divide for his own gains! Very professional! Glad you agree! I suggest you yourself be very careful what you right too! Lol!
[quote][p][bold]ucantalk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: Let's see, a Muslim, labour councillor is kicking up a fuss about one of the few decisions the council makes that make sense I.e you want something done, you pay for it...... Hmmm I am glad this Muslim councillor is thinking of the best for ALL of the community and not just 'his own'. I would have thought, being a councillor he would be promoting integration and not widening the gap as what seems to be far too many of the Muslim community seem hell bent on doing. There seems to be more and more demands from the Muslim community that benefit them and only them, but expect everyone else to pay or fall in line with what they want.[/p][/quote]Well well well Tigeran making comments without any thought as usual! At least the Muslim Councillor is standing up for his community which more than what can be said about the rest. Besides this blunder actually involves the Muslim community so therefore you would expect a Muslim Councillor to speak up about his own community. Something you might be surprised to know that during a Twon Committee meeting when the issue was discussed, it was Cllr Snaith and Cllr Columb who put forward a motion to have WDC pick up the tab for their own mistakes. Furthermore Cllr Columb's remark was 'this is massive cockup by the officers'. Therefore think before you write.[/p][/quote]Ah, so you admit he is segregating his responsibilities as a councillor for everyone and just looking after 'his own' and creating a divide for his own gains! Very professional! Glad you agree! I suggest you yourself be very careful what you right too! Lol! tigeran
  • Score: 13

7:50pm Fri 24 Jan 14

tigeran says...

ucantalk wrote:
tigeran wrote:
Let's see, a Muslim, labour councillor is kicking up a fuss about one of the few decisions the council makes that make sense I.e you want something done, you pay for it...... Hmmm I am glad this Muslim councillor is thinking of the best for ALL of the community and not just 'his own'. I would have thought, being a councillor he would be promoting integration and not widening the gap as what seems to be far too many of the Muslim community seem hell bent on doing. There seems to be more and more demands from the Muslim community that benefit them and only them, but expect everyone else to pay or fall in line with what they want.
Well well well Tigeran making comments without any thought as usual!
At least the Muslim Councillor is standing up for his community which more than what can be said about the rest. Besides this blunder actually involves the Muslim community so therefore you would expect a Muslim Councillor to speak up about his own community. Something you might be surprised to know that during a Twon Committee meeting when the issue was discussed, it was Cllr Snaith and Cllr Columb who put forward a motion to have WDC pick up the tab for their own mistakes. Furthermore Cllr Columb's remark was 'this is massive cockup by the officers'. Therefore think before you write.
Oh, and as you pointed out cllrs Snaith and Columb brought it up, but cllr Khalil Ahmed decided to jump on the band wagon which again I thought VERY unprofessional considering he is obviously singling out his own faith as deserving something unique that is not in the interest of anyone else. Had this been anything other than a Muslim request I have no doubt it would have been labeled 'racist' but it's not and thus isn't.
[quote][p][bold]ucantalk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: Let's see, a Muslim, labour councillor is kicking up a fuss about one of the few decisions the council makes that make sense I.e you want something done, you pay for it...... Hmmm I am glad this Muslim councillor is thinking of the best for ALL of the community and not just 'his own'. I would have thought, being a councillor he would be promoting integration and not widening the gap as what seems to be far too many of the Muslim community seem hell bent on doing. There seems to be more and more demands from the Muslim community that benefit them and only them, but expect everyone else to pay or fall in line with what they want.[/p][/quote]Well well well Tigeran making comments without any thought as usual! At least the Muslim Councillor is standing up for his community which more than what can be said about the rest. Besides this blunder actually involves the Muslim community so therefore you would expect a Muslim Councillor to speak up about his own community. Something you might be surprised to know that during a Twon Committee meeting when the issue was discussed, it was Cllr Snaith and Cllr Columb who put forward a motion to have WDC pick up the tab for their own mistakes. Furthermore Cllr Columb's remark was 'this is massive cockup by the officers'. Therefore think before you write.[/p][/quote]Oh, and as you pointed out cllrs Snaith and Columb brought it up, but cllr Khalil Ahmed decided to jump on the band wagon which again I thought VERY unprofessional considering he is obviously singling out his own faith as deserving something unique that is not in the interest of anyone else. Had this been anything other than a Muslim request I have no doubt it would have been labeled 'racist' but it's not and thus isn't. tigeran
  • Score: 11

3:32am Sun 26 Jan 14

Dickitdo says...

I do not wish to seem disrespectful. But surely when you are no longer of this World you are normally either buried or cremated .It surely will not bother you which one is chosen as you are very unlikely to know , so why go to the Expense of a concrete box to lay a wooden coffin into,? Why would you need to have more room than they already have .? Would this not be a waste of a valuable Resource ie Grave Yards are not getting bigger . Where do you bury the deceased when the grave yard is full . Possibly a rethink is called for and cremations should be the normal way to deal with our Dearly Departed .
I do not wish to seem disrespectful. But surely when you are no longer of this World you are normally either buried or cremated .It surely will not bother you which one is chosen as you are very unlikely to know , so why go to the Expense of a concrete box to lay a wooden coffin into,? Why would you need to have more room than they already have .? Would this not be a waste of a valuable Resource ie Grave Yards are not getting bigger . Where do you bury the deceased when the grave yard is full . Possibly a rethink is called for and cremations should be the normal way to deal with our Dearly Departed . Dickitdo
  • Score: 11

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