Minister: HS2 challenges "gumming up" legal process

Bucks Free Press: Robert Goodwill Robert Goodwill

A TRANSPORT boss accused opponents of HS2 of 'gumming up' the process that would lead to the controversial rail project being passed by government.

Under-secretary of state for transport Robert Goodwill said legal challenges brought against the project were designed simply to slow the process going through Parliament.

Speaking at a meeting of the Environmental Audit Committee on Wednesday, March 26, Mr Goodwill said petitions protesting the plans had been made for "vexatious reasons".

Campaigners have been angered by his words, ahead of the second reading of the proposed Hybrid Bill - effectively the project's planning application - at the end of April.

During the meeting Mr Goodwill said "The challenge facing them [the Hybrid Bill Committee] would be to distinguish between some of the petitions that would be possibly laid for vexatious reasons - reasons that have tried to gum up the process and tried to delay the project - and other petitions that would have very real environmental benefits to the project and should be considered in as much detail as possible.

"They need to separate the wheat from the chaff and make sure they don't get gummed up by the petitions, in the same way we have seen a number of legal challenges and judicial reviews which were there, I suspect, to gum up the process."

Buckinghamshire residents have called for the tunnel set to cut through the Chilterns Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty to be extended, but Mr Goodwill said this would lead to greater carbon emissions being made during construction work.

He said: "We've had to have a balance between the environmental mitigation to reduce the effect on the environment in terms of the appearance of the rails running across beautiful British countryside with the effect of tunnelling."

Mr Goodwill said a total of 14 changes had been made to the finer details of the route following consultations with residents.

But Chiltern District Council Leader Nick Rose, who also represents the 51m group of local authorities opposed to the scheme, said of the consultation: "We found the process pretty much futile. The whole exercise was nothing short of a cynical charade."

Stop HS2 campaign manager Joe Rukin said: "In saying people will submit vexatious petitions to the HS2 Hybrid Bill, Robert Goodwill is being condescending and disingenuous.

"HS2 Ltd have caused four years of vexation along the proposed route by ignoring legitimate concerns, ignoring environmental impacts and ignoring well-constructed proposals to mitigate HS2.

"There will be hundreds of petitions submitted against the Bill that would not have happened if HS2 Ltd had listened to communities or bothered to adequately assess the environmental damage. They will only have themselves to blame."

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1:56pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Darren Hayday says...

What a fine example of a polished Member of Parliment.... = In 2000 whilst working as a Conservative MEP, Goodwill sparked controversy when he was quoted as saying "I fly from Leeds/Bradford to Brussels and we get a set fee of around £500, but if I buy a cheaper ticket, economy class for about £160 and £250, I can pocket the difference and, as a capitalist, also as a British Conservative, I see it as a challenge to buy cheap tickets and make some profit on the system" ....Suck on my gums matie boy!
What a fine example of a polished Member of Parliment.... = In 2000 whilst working as a Conservative MEP, Goodwill sparked controversy when he was quoted as saying "I fly from Leeds/Bradford to Brussels and we get a set fee of around £500, but if I buy a cheaper ticket, economy class for about £160 and £250, I can pocket the difference and, as a capitalist, also as a British Conservative, I see it as a challenge to buy cheap tickets and make some profit on the system" ....Suck on my gums matie boy! Darren Hayday
  • Score: 11

5:57pm Mon 31 Mar 14

sparky49 says...

Darren Hayday wrote:
What a fine example of a polished Member of Parliment.... = In 2000 whilst working as a Conservative MEP, Goodwill sparked controversy when he was quoted as saying "I fly from Leeds/Bradford to Brussels and we get a set fee of around £500, but if I buy a cheaper ticket, economy class for about £160 and £250, I can pocket the difference and, as a capitalist, also as a British Conservative, I see it as a challenge to buy cheap tickets and make some profit on the system" ....Suck on my gums matie boy!
The true face of the tory's. Isn't this the same as being a benefit scrounger?
[quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: What a fine example of a polished Member of Parliment.... = In 2000 whilst working as a Conservative MEP, Goodwill sparked controversy when he was quoted as saying "I fly from Leeds/Bradford to Brussels and we get a set fee of around £500, but if I buy a cheaper ticket, economy class for about £160 and £250, I can pocket the difference and, as a capitalist, also as a British Conservative, I see it as a challenge to buy cheap tickets and make some profit on the system" ....Suck on my gums matie boy![/p][/quote]The true face of the tory's. Isn't this the same as being a benefit scrounger? sparky49
  • Score: 12

10:34pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Maybe the vexatious objections are made in bad faith because there is no consistent case made by the supporters of HS2 in apparently good faith.


HS2's supporters square parliament, square the media, and try squaring public opinion and then these rather common little people (who think they are as good as an Under-secretary of state just because they vote Conservative and have more money than unskilled and semi-skilled workers) obstruct things and gum them up.

It's no wonder Mr Goodwill gets impatient with them.
Maybe the vexatious objections are made in bad faith because there is no consistent case made by the supporters of HS2 in apparently good faith. HS2's supporters square parliament, square the media, and try squaring public opinion and then these rather common little people (who think they are as good as an Under-secretary of state just because they vote Conservative and have more money than unskilled and semi-skilled workers) obstruct things and gum them up. It's no wonder Mr Goodwill gets impatient with them. Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 6

9:34am Tue 1 Apr 14

Edgar Brooks says...

Ah, so diddums can't get his way, and ride roughshod over the great unwashed, so out go the toys from the collective prams.
Ah, so diddums can't get his way, and ride roughshod over the great unwashed, so out go the toys from the collective prams. Edgar Brooks
  • Score: 5

11:28am Tue 1 Apr 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Darren Hayday wrote:
What a fine example of a polished Member of Parliment.... = In 2000 whilst working as a Conservative MEP, Goodwill sparked controversy when he was quoted as saying "I fly from Leeds/Bradford to Brussels and we get a set fee of around £500, but if I buy a cheaper ticket, economy class for about £160 and £250, I can pocket the difference and, as a capitalist, also as a British Conservative, I see it as a challenge to buy cheap tickets and make some profit on the system" ....Suck on my gums matie boy!
These people think we are stupid and regard us with contempt - they sell public assets and stag them and give themselves tax breaks and we say nothing - no wonder they get annoyed when people like us start being awkward - they expect better from us - better and more submissive.

It must be a bit disconcerting as well that people who are more middle-class - not just the bedroom tax payers and people on the minimum wage - are getting antsy now - the word is getting round that the country is being run for the rich.
[quote][p][bold]Darren Hayday[/bold] wrote: What a fine example of a polished Member of Parliment.... = In 2000 whilst working as a Conservative MEP, Goodwill sparked controversy when he was quoted as saying "I fly from Leeds/Bradford to Brussels and we get a set fee of around £500, but if I buy a cheaper ticket, economy class for about £160 and £250, I can pocket the difference and, as a capitalist, also as a British Conservative, I see it as a challenge to buy cheap tickets and make some profit on the system" ....Suck on my gums matie boy![/p][/quote]These people think we are stupid and regard us with contempt - they sell public assets and stag them and give themselves tax breaks and we say nothing - no wonder they get annoyed when people like us start being awkward - they expect better from us - better and more submissive. It must be a bit disconcerting as well that people who are more middle-class - not just the bedroom tax payers and people on the minimum wage - are getting antsy now - the word is getting round that the country is being run for the rich. Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 5

11:30am Tue 1 Apr 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Goodwill would laugh at the scruples of people who would hesitate to meet the 'challenge' to ''make some profit on the system" at the taxpayers' expense. They are the dullards who object to HS2 ruining their provincial bit of home - Lord Bethell made them look stupid though with his 'your jobs or their gardens' advert.
Goodwill would laugh at the scruples of people who would hesitate to meet the 'challenge' to ''make some profit on the system" at the taxpayers' expense. They are the dullards who object to HS2 ruining their provincial bit of home - Lord Bethell made them look stupid though with his 'your jobs or their gardens' advert. Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 4

11:27pm Thu 3 Apr 14

JOHNHEALY says...

We definitely need investment in railways and strangely enough HS2 could be of major benefit providing it is built using a more sensible route of which there are plenty of more viable options and there are a couple of interchange stations placed along it.
We definitely need investment in railways and strangely enough HS2 could be of major benefit providing it is built using a more sensible route of which there are plenty of more viable options and there are a couple of interchange stations placed along it. JOHNHEALY
  • Score: -3

11:36pm Thu 3 Apr 14

gpn01 says...

JOHNHEALY wrote:
We definitely need investment in railways and strangely enough HS2 could be of major benefit providing it is built using a more sensible route of which there are plenty of more viable options and there are a couple of interchange stations placed along it.
Be of even more benefit if it linked cities in the North together. And addressed commuter train capacity problems. And ran alongside existing track. So, none of rthe things that the current proposed project offers.
[quote][p][bold]JOHNHEALY[/bold] wrote: We definitely need investment in railways and strangely enough HS2 could be of major benefit providing it is built using a more sensible route of which there are plenty of more viable options and there are a couple of interchange stations placed along it.[/p][/quote]Be of even more benefit if it linked cities in the North together. And addressed commuter train capacity problems. And ran alongside existing track. So, none of rthe things that the current proposed project offers. gpn01
  • Score: 0

11:41pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

JOHNHEALY wrote:
We definitely need investment in railways and strangely enough HS2 could be of major benefit providing it is built using a more sensible route of which there are plenty of more viable options and there are a couple of interchange stations placed along it.
Why has no consistent and cogent case ever been made for the HS2 project then?
[quote][p][bold]JOHNHEALY[/bold] wrote: We definitely need investment in railways and strangely enough HS2 could be of major benefit providing it is built using a more sensible route of which there are plenty of more viable options and there are a couple of interchange stations placed along it.[/p][/quote]Why has no consistent and cogent case ever been made for the HS2 project then? Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 2

11:47pm Thu 3 Apr 14

gpn01 says...

Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
JOHNHEALY wrote:
We definitely need investment in railways and strangely enough HS2 could be of major benefit providing it is built using a more sensible route of which there are plenty of more viable options and there are a couple of interchange stations placed along it.
Why has no consistent and cogent case ever been made for the HS2 project then?
Same reason that nobody has a unicorn in their garden or proof of Nessie.
[quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JOHNHEALY[/bold] wrote: We definitely need investment in railways and strangely enough HS2 could be of major benefit providing it is built using a more sensible route of which there are plenty of more viable options and there are a couple of interchange stations placed along it.[/p][/quote]Why has no consistent and cogent case ever been made for the HS2 project then?[/p][/quote]Same reason that nobody has a unicorn in their garden or proof of Nessie. gpn01
  • Score: 2

12:24am Fri 4 Apr 14

Monty Cristo says...

I was on a train for several hours today. A couple of business people were on their phones for the entire journey. Thus the notion that an extra 20 minutes or so on a train is lost time just doesn't stand up. People work.
The guy in the next bay of seats to me on another recent trip to Manchester (a perfectly acceptable 2 hour 8 minute trip, where only about 50% of the seats were occupied at best ), slept for most of the way.
Neither of these had any real use for a shorter journey time. the extra time did not prevent them from doing what they wanted.
I really still don't really know why we need HS2. Other than to benefit the construction industry of course, but that reason alone is not enough in my view.
I was on a train for several hours today. A couple of business people were on their phones for the entire journey. Thus the notion that an extra 20 minutes or so on a train is lost time just doesn't stand up. People work. The guy in the next bay of seats to me on another recent trip to Manchester (a perfectly acceptable 2 hour 8 minute trip, where only about 50% of the seats were occupied at best ), slept for most of the way. Neither of these had any real use for a shorter journey time. the extra time did not prevent them from doing what they wanted. I really still don't really know why we need HS2. Other than to benefit the construction industry of course, but that reason alone is not enough in my view. Monty Cristo
  • Score: 3

10:32pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

JOHNHEALY wrote:
We definitely need investment in railways and strangely enough HS2 could be of major benefit providing it is built using a more sensible route of which there are plenty of more viable options and there are a couple of interchange stations placed along it.
Has anybody seen 'JOHNHEALY' on here before and what has he been commenting on?

Where do you live Mr Healy and what have you commented on?

Are you a friend of Lord Bethell?
[quote][p][bold]JOHNHEALY[/bold] wrote: We definitely need investment in railways and strangely enough HS2 could be of major benefit providing it is built using a more sensible route of which there are plenty of more viable options and there are a couple of interchange stations placed along it.[/p][/quote]Has anybody seen 'JOHNHEALY' on here before and what has he been commenting on? Where do you live Mr Healy and what have you commented on? Are you a friend of Lord Bethell? Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 4

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