Alternative HS2 tunnel plans put forward

Alternative HS2 tunnel plans put forward

Alternative HS2 tunnel plans put forward

First published in News Bucks Free Press: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

A NEW route for an HS2 tunnel the whole way through the Chilterns Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty has been put forward in a study launched on Friday.

The 24.7km tunnel would closely follow existing transport links, allow the line to have a lesser gradient than what is currently proposed, and lessen the impact on the environment, the study claimed.

It would cost £1.85billion to construct the tunnel - around two per cent of the total cost of the HS2 project.

The proposed line goes under Chalfont St Giles, between Little Kingshill and Little Missenden and parallel to the A413 - all the while passing under the River Misbourne.

The government's current proposed route takes HS2 through the widest part of the Chilterns AONB, which the report - produced by development and infrastructure consultants Peter Brett Associates - states will "militate rather than mitigate the impact" the line will have on the environment.

The study was commissioned by Chiltern District Council, Aylesbury Vale District Council, Buckinghamshire County Council and the Chilterns Conservation Board.

Chiltern District Council Leader Nick Rose said: "HS2 would create a huge and ugly scar through parts of the AONB. Our proposal represents a huge improvement over the existing government proposed scheme and avoids the reckless damage that the rail line would cause."

Steve Rodrick, Chief Officer at the Chilterns Conservation Board, added: "The Chilterns AONB is natural heritage and we expect those responsible for designing the HS2 railway to protect this special place. A long bored tunnel is the only acceptable solution."

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9:05am Thu 1 May 14

sky2014 says...

Please correct your figures! The current route on this stretch is £1.47 billion. therefore this new proposal at £1.85 billion is only an extra £380 million. The use of only the £1.85 billion figure will not help our case, and the AONB tunnel is the best option we have.
Please correct your figures! The current route on this stretch is £1.47 billion. therefore this new proposal at £1.85 billion is only an extra £380 million. The use of only the £1.85 billion figure will not help our case, and the AONB tunnel is the best option we have. sky2014
  • Score: 1

12:45pm Thu 1 May 14

gpn01 says...

Am supportive of anything that mniimises impact to the area. If we want to question the numbers however, then I must point out that the planned cost for Phase 1 of the project (which is all that is going through Parliament review currently) is £14.3bn. There is then an additional 50% loading to cater for what The Treasury describe as Optimism Bias. If the proposal to the extended tunnel is £380m then that represents a cost increase of nearly 2.7%. On a more positive note, the Camden HS1-HS2 link has been killed off and that was going to cost £900m. So, they should be able to easily accomodate the extra £380m from the £900m that's been saved!
Am supportive of anything that mniimises impact to the area. If we want to question the numbers however, then I must point out that the planned cost for Phase 1 of the project (which is all that is going through Parliament review currently) is £14.3bn. There is then an additional 50% loading to cater for what The Treasury describe as Optimism Bias. If the proposal to the extended tunnel is £380m then that represents a cost increase of nearly 2.7%. On a more positive note, the Camden HS1-HS2 link has been killed off and that was going to cost £900m. So, they should be able to easily accomodate the extra £380m from the £900m that's been saved! gpn01
  • Score: 0

9:15am Sat 3 May 14

piran says...

I wish the Anti HS2 NIMBYs would now stop complaining and let HS2 proceed for the sake of the whole nation not just pander to a tiny few who live in Buckinghamshire that are concerned about their house prices. Boris
got it right about those whingers
I wish the Anti HS2 NIMBYs would now stop complaining and let HS2 proceed for the sake of the whole nation not just pander to a tiny few who live in Buckinghamshire that are concerned about their house prices. Boris got it right about those whingers piran
  • Score: -1

9:29am Sat 3 May 14

gpn01 says...

piran wrote:
I wish the Anti HS2 NIMBYs would now stop complaining and let HS2 proceed for the sake of the whole nation not just pander to a tiny few who live in Buckinghamshire that are concerned about their house prices. Boris
got it right about those whingers
How will costing the Nation £50bn on a project with no discernible economic justification be beneficial?
[quote][p][bold]piran[/bold] wrote: I wish the Anti HS2 NIMBYs would now stop complaining and let HS2 proceed for the sake of the whole nation not just pander to a tiny few who live in Buckinghamshire that are concerned about their house prices. Boris got it right about those whingers[/p][/quote]How will costing the Nation £50bn on a project with no discernible economic justification be beneficial? gpn01
  • Score: 3

12:31pm Sun 4 May 14

Malc London says...

Not sure what Pirin has against the people of Buckinghamshire, except perhaps jealousy, but it's not just Bucks that are against HS2 West London will be hit hard.

HS2 is like closing all the junctions on the M40 and only letting cars off in London and Birmingham. It's useless to anyone living on the route.

For HS2 to be feasible, it needs links to other rail lines, stops every 30 miles, and large car parks for people to get to it.

It's like building a train line between Lands End and John O'Grauts with no stops on route. You may get there quicker, but it's no good to the majority of people.
Not sure what Pirin has against the people of Buckinghamshire, except perhaps jealousy, but it's not just Bucks that are against HS2 West London will be hit hard. HS2 is like closing all the junctions on the M40 and only letting cars off in London and Birmingham. It's useless to anyone living on the route. For HS2 to be feasible, it needs links to other rail lines, stops every 30 miles, and large car parks for people to get to it. It's like building a train line between Lands End and John O'Grauts with no stops on route. You may get there quicker, but it's no good to the majority of people. Malc London
  • Score: -2

1:25pm Sun 4 May 14

piran says...

Malc London wrote:
Not sure what Pirin has against the people of Buckinghamshire, except perhaps jealousy, but it's not just Bucks that are against HS2 West London will be hit hard.

HS2 is like closing all the junctions on the M40 and only letting cars off in London and Birmingham. It's useless to anyone living on the route.

For HS2 to be feasible, it needs links to other rail lines, stops every 30 miles, and large car parks for people to get to it.

It's like building a train line between Lands End and John O'Grauts with no stops on route. You may get there quicker, but it's no good to the majority of people.
Oh dear Malc - time you did some research and stopped listening to the lies from Anti HS2 lobbies. High Speed trains DO NOT stop every 30 miles, they link large areas of population such as London and Birmingham. Other trains feed into the network at each end. That is how it becomes high speed because it does not stop every few miles, doh!!
Also HS2 provides vita capacity.
I am NOT jealous of Buckinghamshire because I live here you moron, but unlike you I want to plan for the future so our country can carry on being economically successful - unlike you who seems to be selfish and stuck in the past and has NO vision!
[quote][p][bold]Malc London[/bold] wrote: Not sure what Pirin has against the people of Buckinghamshire, except perhaps jealousy, but it's not just Bucks that are against HS2 West London will be hit hard. HS2 is like closing all the junctions on the M40 and only letting cars off in London and Birmingham. It's useless to anyone living on the route. For HS2 to be feasible, it needs links to other rail lines, stops every 30 miles, and large car parks for people to get to it. It's like building a train line between Lands End and John O'Grauts with no stops on route. You may get there quicker, but it's no good to the majority of people.[/p][/quote]Oh dear Malc - time you did some research and stopped listening to the lies from Anti HS2 lobbies. High Speed trains DO NOT stop every 30 miles, they link large areas of population such as London and Birmingham. Other trains feed into the network at each end. That is how it becomes high speed because it does not stop every few miles, doh!! Also HS2 provides vita capacity. I am NOT jealous of Buckinghamshire because I live here you moron, but unlike you I want to plan for the future so our country can carry on being economically successful - unlike you who seems to be selfish and stuck in the past and has NO vision! piran
  • Score: -2

4:50pm Sun 4 May 14

Malc London says...

Like I said, as much use as closing all the junctions on the M40 so you can get to Birmingham quicker.

It's not High Speed if you have to travel to London to catch it. Not High Speed if Birmingham isn't your destination.

It provides very little for a lot of money which could be better spent

And remember,opposition is wide spread throughout the Country, not just in Bucks.
Like I said, as much use as closing all the junctions on the M40 so you can get to Birmingham quicker. It's not High Speed if you have to travel to London to catch it. Not High Speed if Birmingham isn't your destination. It provides very little for a lot of money which could be better spent And remember,opposition is wide spread throughout the Country, not just in Bucks. Malc London
  • Score: 1

5:00pm Sun 4 May 14

Malc London says...

Just imagine the Chiltern Line not stopping between Birmingham and Marylebone. What good would that do the thousands of passengers who use it to get to work?

If I want to take the train to Birmingham, why should I travel 15 miles in the wrong direction and back again just to catch a "high speed" train

There are some stupid idealists out there.
Just imagine the Chiltern Line not stopping between Birmingham and Marylebone. What good would that do the thousands of passengers who use it to get to work? If I want to take the train to Birmingham, why should I travel 15 miles in the wrong direction and back again just to catch a "high speed" train There are some stupid idealists out there. Malc London
  • Score: 3

9:03pm Sun 4 May 14

piran says...

Malc London wrote:
Just imagine the Chiltern Line not stopping between Birmingham and Marylebone. What good would that do the thousands of passengers who use it to get to work?

If I want to take the train to Birmingham, why should I travel 15 miles in the wrong direction and back again just to catch a "high speed" train

There are some stupid idealists out there.
Pity you cannot read either! HS2 is future capacity NIMBY
[quote][p][bold]Malc London[/bold] wrote: Just imagine the Chiltern Line not stopping between Birmingham and Marylebone. What good would that do the thousands of passengers who use it to get to work? If I want to take the train to Birmingham, why should I travel 15 miles in the wrong direction and back again just to catch a "high speed" train There are some stupid idealists out there.[/p][/quote]Pity you cannot read either! HS2 is future capacity NIMBY piran
  • Score: -1

10:48pm Sun 4 May 14

Malc London says...

See, you cannot understand and that is your problem, not mine.

I don't mind a train line if it serves the public, so you cannot call me a NIMBY. Although, that is a compliment, because NIMBYS are people who care about the environment and where they live, so thanks but you haven't grasped what this is about.

50,000,000,000. 00 of wasted money.

For something with no economic and no social benefit.
See, you cannot understand and that is your problem, not mine. I don't mind a train line if it serves the public, so you cannot call me a NIMBY. Although, that is a compliment, because NIMBYS are people who care about the environment and where they live, so thanks but you haven't grasped what this is about. 50,000,000,000. 00 of wasted money. For something with no economic and no social benefit. Malc London
  • Score: 2

11:35am Mon 5 May 14

piran says...

Shame you cannot read Malc. Try actually reading and absorbing the economic case for HS2. Stop making up lies, believing the Buckinghamshire NIMBYs who are so selfish and for once think about others and the economic survival of the UK from 2030. Anyway, debate over, HS 2 will be built - huge majority in Parliament.
I suggest you move to one of the Scottish outer islands if you love the environment so much. Enjoy being without electricity, roads, etc - you deserve to go back to nature
Shame you cannot read Malc. Try actually reading and absorbing the economic case for HS2. Stop making up lies, believing the Buckinghamshire NIMBYs who are so selfish and for once think about others and the economic survival of the UK from 2030. Anyway, debate over, HS 2 will be built - huge majority in Parliament. I suggest you move to one of the Scottish outer islands if you love the environment so much. Enjoy being without electricity, roads, etc - you deserve to go back to nature piran
  • Score: -1

7:13am Tue 6 May 14

Malc London says...

The Government tried to suppress the report that stated that HS2 will offer no economic benefit.

I'm happy for the train line to be built if it serves the people. A non stop train doesn't serve the people which is why it's a WHITE ELEPHANT.

Try running the Chiltern line from Birmingham to London without stopping anywhere and see what economic or social benefit this brings.
The Government tried to suppress the report that stated that HS2 will offer no economic benefit. I'm happy for the train line to be built if it serves the people. A non stop train doesn't serve the people which is why it's a WHITE ELEPHANT. Try running the Chiltern line from Birmingham to London without stopping anywhere and see what economic or social benefit this brings. Malc London
  • Score: 0

8:54am Wed 7 May 14

jayeatman says...

Love this debate!
Surely the point about HS2 is that we could have our M40 (with junctions) and Chiltern Line (with local stops) AND a high Speed rail network. Practically every other major country in the world has adopted high speed rail, why haven't we?
Locally though there is no upside to HS2 other than a somewhat dodgy very long-term economic argument so local opposition is understandable (call them NIMBYs if you like). The main problem with that is that by the time HS2 money is being spent, we will be 10 years down the road and our current economic crisis a distant memory.
My own opinion is that such a large sum could be 'invested' to far better effect and MUCH SOONER. For instance at Heathrow or Cross Rail 2 or Boris Island although Boris Island would probably suffer a similar time lag.
Love this debate! Surely the point about HS2 is that we could have our M40 (with junctions) and Chiltern Line (with local stops) AND a high Speed rail network. Practically every other major country in the world has adopted high speed rail, why haven't we? Locally though there is no upside to HS2 other than a somewhat dodgy very long-term economic argument so local opposition is understandable (call them NIMBYs if you like). The main problem with that is that by the time HS2 money is being spent, we will be 10 years down the road and our current economic crisis a distant memory. My own opinion is that such a large sum could be 'invested' to far better effect and MUCH SOONER. For instance at Heathrow or Cross Rail 2 or Boris Island although Boris Island would probably suffer a similar time lag. jayeatman
  • Score: 1

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