Bucks school transport fees to rise almost 50 percent

Bucks Free Press: Bucks school transport fees to rise almost 50 percent Bucks school transport fees to rise almost 50 percent

SCHOOL transport for under 16s is set to almost double as a council axes free transport for older teenagers from hard-up families.

The annual transport cost for Buckinghamshire schoolchildren will rise from £390 to £570 from September.

Free transport for students aged between 16 and 19 from low income families will be cut, with older students facing a five percent increase.

But school transport costs for groups of three or more siblings will be slashed by 50 percent, Buckinghamshire County Council has announced.

The changes were agreed this week following a public consultation in March in a bid to save the county council £1.5m.

BCC’s Cabinet Member for Education and Skills Cllr Mike Appleyard said: “I appreciate that any changes to our home to school transport policy, particularly the proposals to increase charging will have an impact on parents across Buckinghamshire.

“However, the stark reality is that if the cost reductions don’t come from home-to-school transport now they are likely to impact more directly on children’s education, and we still need to make substantial savings as part of the national squeeze on public sector spending.

"Reaching our decisions were not easy, but I hope we have managed to reflect the needs of the council and those of parents, carers and schools."

BCC has introduced a Direct Debit scheme to help parents spread the cost.

The council is not legally obliged to provide home-to-school transport to learners aged 16 or more or to children from low income families.

It also does not have to provide transport for children with educational needs or disabilities, or youngsters who travel to a Buckinghamshire school from another county.

Students aged between 16 and 19 in need of financial support can apply to a government bursary scheme at www.gov.uk/1619-bursary-fund.

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4:16pm Thu 15 May 14

thethe says...

Scaap the stupid 11+, send kids to their local schools and there will be less need for busing our schoolchildren all over the county on the pretence that this is giving parents a choice
Scaap the stupid 11+, send kids to their local schools and there will be less need for busing our schoolchildren all over the county on the pretence that this is giving parents a choice thethe
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4:38pm Thu 15 May 14

andy40 says...

Thanks BCC it's now either going to cost me over £1000 to get my children to school or I can drive them there myself for a fraction of the cost and add to the traffic chaos around school in the morning and afternoon. I would much prefer them to go on the bus as it's better to have 50 children on one bus than an extra 50 cars on the road but I can't justify the expense. How does this fit with the sustainable travel initiative?
Thanks BCC it's now either going to cost me over £1000 to get my children to school or I can drive them there myself for a fraction of the cost and add to the traffic chaos around school in the morning and afternoon. I would much prefer them to go on the bus as it's better to have 50 children on one bus than an extra 50 cars on the road but I can't justify the expense. How does this fit with the sustainable travel initiative? andy40
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4:44pm Thu 15 May 14

Savvy Suzie says...

If they reduced costs for 16+ students so it wasn't cheaper to drive them to school then they might raise more money overall
If they reduced costs for 16+ students so it wasn't cheaper to drive them to school then they might raise more money overall Savvy Suzie
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4:47pm Thu 15 May 14

Ivor'sbestfriend says...

andy40 wrote:
Thanks BCC it's now either going to cost me over £1000 to get my children to school or I can drive them there myself for a fraction of the cost and add to the traffic chaos around school in the morning and afternoon. I would much prefer them to go on the bus as it's better to have 50 children on one bus than an extra 50 cars on the road but I can't justify the expense. How does this fit with the sustainable travel initiative?
They have to save money for their enormous pay packets somehow.
[quote][p][bold]andy40[/bold] wrote: Thanks BCC it's now either going to cost me over £1000 to get my children to school or I can drive them there myself for a fraction of the cost and add to the traffic chaos around school in the morning and afternoon. I would much prefer them to go on the bus as it's better to have 50 children on one bus than an extra 50 cars on the road but I can't justify the expense. How does this fit with the sustainable travel initiative?[/p][/quote]They have to save money for their enormous pay packets somehow. Ivor'sbestfriend
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4:54pm Thu 15 May 14

mistamina says...

thethe wrote:
Scaap the stupid 11+, send kids to their local schools and there will be less need for busing our schoolchildren all over the county on the pretence that this is giving parents a choice
Thethe, A decent 80s group, but your head is firmly fixed in 2014!
Watch out for the old, slow & toothless Reactionary Right diatribe coming you way. But It's OK they are not all that.

PS. Scrapping of the 11+ will also release huge amount of secondary school places. Grammar Schools in Wycombe take in a big % of their students from out-of-county.
Is it 40%? I am sure someone has the exact figures.
[quote][p][bold]thethe[/bold] wrote: Scaap the stupid 11+, send kids to their local schools and there will be less need for busing our schoolchildren all over the county on the pretence that this is giving parents a choice[/p][/quote]Thethe, A decent 80s group, but your head is firmly fixed in 2014! Watch out for the old, slow & toothless Reactionary Right diatribe coming you way. But It's OK they are not all that. PS. Scrapping of the 11+ will also release huge amount of secondary school places. Grammar Schools in Wycombe take in a big % of their students from out-of-county. Is it 40%? I am sure someone has the exact figures. mistamina
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5:18pm Thu 15 May 14

andy40 says...

Savvy Suzie wrote:
If they reduced costs for 16+ students so it wasn't cheaper to drive them to school then they might raise more money overall
The cost will be £570 for 11-16 and 16+ under the new pricing structure.
This is the link to the decision document https://democracy.bu
ckscc.gov.uk/ieDecis
ionDetails.aspx?ID=3
471 , note that respondents were asked whether a 5, 10 or 15% increase would be acceptable - not even a hint that it could be 50%.
[quote][p][bold]Savvy Suzie[/bold] wrote: If they reduced costs for 16+ students so it wasn't cheaper to drive them to school then they might raise more money overall[/p][/quote]The cost will be £570 for 11-16 and 16+ under the new pricing structure. This is the link to the decision document https://democracy.bu ckscc.gov.uk/ieDecis ionDetails.aspx?ID=3 471 , note that respondents were asked whether a 5, 10 or 15% increase would be acceptable - not even a hint that it could be 50%. andy40
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5:32pm Thu 15 May 14

MammaTed says...

I am very angry about this.

They were going to increase it anyway, so why bother with a consultation especially if they aren't going to listen to the views collected (I doubt the majority, if any, said increase it by 50%).

I would be interested to know exactly what this consultation has cost the taxpayer and who got paid for it.

It cannot be said any plainer BCC: If you don't want people driving their kids to school by car every day, make the transport available and affordable so we have another option.
I am very angry about this. They were going to increase it anyway, so why bother with a consultation especially if they aren't going to listen to the views collected (I doubt the majority, if any, said increase it by 50%). I would be interested to know exactly what this consultation has cost the taxpayer and who got paid for it. It cannot be said any plainer BCC: If you don't want people driving their kids to school by car every day, make the transport available and affordable so we have another option. MammaTed
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5:38pm Thu 15 May 14

MammaTed says...

Forget to ask too that if they are axing the free places, which presumably the others subsidise, why does there need to be an increase if everyone is now paying?

Am I being super-naïve at the simplicity of this? You find out the demand (which for September is known as the places have now been allocated for the new year 7 and leavers should also be known). You put out for tender for the appropriate transport and divide the cost by the number of users. Then you can have a public consultation to see how much subsidy can be provided by BCC.

Good point Andy - no mention or hint of anything as high as 50%!
Forget to ask too that if they are axing the free places, which presumably the others subsidise, why does there need to be an increase if everyone is now paying? Am I being super-naïve at the simplicity of this? You find out the demand (which for September is known as the places have now been allocated for the new year 7 and leavers should also be known). You put out for tender for the appropriate transport and divide the cost by the number of users. Then you can have a public consultation to see how much subsidy can be provided by BCC. Good point Andy - no mention or hint of anything as high as 50%! MammaTed
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5:39pm Thu 15 May 14

MammaTed says...

"Reaching our decisions were not easy, but I hope we have managed to reflect the needs of the council and those of parents, carers and schools."

I would like to propose a consultation to find out if parents, carers and schools feel their needs have been met.
"Reaching our decisions were not easy, but I hope we have managed to reflect the needs of the council and those of parents, carers and schools." I would like to propose a consultation to find out if parents, carers and schools feel their needs have been met. MammaTed
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6:04pm Thu 15 May 14

MammaTed says...

https://democracy.bu
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Analysis and details of results gathered by the consultation.

There was no option for no increase and most people when asked out of a £3, £3.50 or £4 rise, 75% said £3. to quote the site "The free text responses showed that 8% of respondents felt there should not be an
increase in price at all. Almost 5% of respondents expressed concern at the cost for sibling groups."

Perhaps other options should be explored too like public transport providers being asked to add direct services for school users taking two or more busses. Staggered and flexible start/finish times at schools etc.
https://democracy.bu ckscc.gov.uk/documen ts/s49167/App%20C%20 Results%20Analysis%2 0Report%20Bucks%20Re sidents%20under%2016 .pdf Analysis and details of results gathered by the consultation. There was no option for no increase and most people when asked out of a £3, £3.50 or £4 rise, 75% said £3. to quote the site "The free text responses showed that 8% of respondents felt there should not be an increase in price at all. Almost 5% of respondents expressed concern at the cost for sibling groups." Perhaps other options should be explored too like public transport providers being asked to add direct services for school users taking two or more busses. Staggered and flexible start/finish times at schools etc. MammaTed
  • Score: 3

6:15pm Thu 15 May 14

mistamina says...

You all cannot see the elephant in the room! We have a good and robust solution. See first blog from 'thethe', it says...quote
''Scrap the stupid 11+, send kids to their local schools and there will be less need for busing our schoolchildren all over the county on the pretense that this is giving parents a choice''
He/she/It says this because, we do not get first choice for places for our Bucks kids at Bucks Grammar Schools, large number of Grammar places go to out-of-county kids.
You all cannot see the elephant in the room! We have a good and robust solution. See first blog from 'thethe', it says...quote ''Scrap the stupid 11+, send kids to their local schools and there will be less need for busing our schoolchildren all over the county on the pretense that this is giving parents a choice'' He/she/It says this because, we do not get first choice for places for our Bucks kids at Bucks Grammar Schools, large number of Grammar places go to out-of-county kids. mistamina
  • Score: 5

6:20pm Thu 15 May 14

andy40 says...

Before I knew just how extortionate the cost would be, I rang BCC to put my child on the waiting list for September (the other child has been going by bus for some time) I was told there are 11 children ahead of him on the
there is (or was) demand in excess of supply for the route - BCC are exploiting this excess demand to charge whatever they like, much like ticket touts selling Cup Final tickets.
Before I knew just how extortionate the cost would be, I rang BCC to put my child on the waiting list for September (the other child has been going by bus for some time) I was told there are 11 children ahead of him on the there is (or was) demand in excess of supply for the route - BCC are exploiting this excess demand to charge whatever they like, much like ticket touts selling Cup Final tickets. andy40
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6:21pm Thu 15 May 14

mistamina says...

MammaTed wrote:
Forget to ask too that if they are axing the free places, which presumably the others subsidise, why does there need to be an increase if everyone is now paying?

Am I being super-naïve at the simplicity of this? You find out the demand (which for September is known as the places have now been allocated for the new year 7 and leavers should also be known). You put out for tender for the appropriate transport and divide the cost by the number of users. Then you can have a public consultation to see how much subsidy can be provided by BCC.

Good point Andy - no mention or hint of anything as high as 50%!
Good thinking. Small problem. County does not know which kids will end up where. The 11+.will make a mockery of any predictions in Bucks.
Your theory works perfectly in a Comprehensive Education system.
This is not an excuse for increasing fares, just an explanation of one of the distortions in our education system.
[quote][p][bold]MammaTed[/bold] wrote: Forget to ask too that if they are axing the free places, which presumably the others subsidise, why does there need to be an increase if everyone is now paying? Am I being super-naïve at the simplicity of this? You find out the demand (which for September is known as the places have now been allocated for the new year 7 and leavers should also be known). You put out for tender for the appropriate transport and divide the cost by the number of users. Then you can have a public consultation to see how much subsidy can be provided by BCC. Good point Andy - no mention or hint of anything as high as 50%![/p][/quote]Good thinking. Small problem. County does not know which kids will end up where. The 11+.will make a mockery of any predictions in Bucks. Your theory works perfectly in a Comprehensive Education system. This is not an excuse for increasing fares, just an explanation of one of the distortions in our education system. mistamina
  • Score: 1

6:28pm Thu 15 May 14

MammaTed says...

mistamina wrote:
You all cannot see the elephant in the room! We have a good and robust solution. See first blog from 'thethe', it says...quote
''Scrap the stupid 11+, send kids to their local schools and there will be less need for busing our schoolchildren all over the county on the pretense that this is giving parents a choice''
He/she/It says this because, we do not get first choice for places for our Bucks kids at Bucks Grammar Schools, large number of Grammar places go to out-of-county kids.
That's all fair and well, but what about the pupils needing one-on-one help, or those with special needs or those who are just average or the bright ones who would go to grammar schools? How will all of their wide and varied needs be met in one classroom or by streaming within the same school?

How can the bright ones be challenged and stretched, one-to-one pupils supported and the average ones encouraged to move away from average?

Is there a correlation between the scrapping of 12 and 11+ in other counties with declining literacy and numeracy levels?
[quote][p][bold]mistamina[/bold] wrote: You all cannot see the elephant in the room! We have a good and robust solution. See first blog from 'thethe', it says...quote ''Scrap the stupid 11+, send kids to their local schools and there will be less need for busing our schoolchildren all over the county on the pretense that this is giving parents a choice'' He/she/It says this because, we do not get first choice for places for our Bucks kids at Bucks Grammar Schools, large number of Grammar places go to out-of-county kids.[/p][/quote]That's all fair and well, but what about the pupils needing one-on-one help, or those with special needs or those who are just average or the bright ones who would go to grammar schools? How will all of their wide and varied needs be met in one classroom or by streaming within the same school? How can the bright ones be challenged and stretched, one-to-one pupils supported and the average ones encouraged to move away from average? Is there a correlation between the scrapping of 12 and 11+ in other counties with declining literacy and numeracy levels? MammaTed
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7:25pm Thu 15 May 14

Allymay says...

I drive 18 miles a day to drop my child off at school. She is currently 3 rd on the waiting list at my catchment school, this has not changed for 2 years. My other child has to get on a bus because I can't be in two places at once. I have 1 in 6 th form who cannot use his citizen card before 9 am. What use is that? One in middle school that I have to drive her to school. Also 1 child in pre school , so I have very little time to get from one to the other. Perhaps BCC should not give out the entitlement cards to people that clearly do not need them. Maybe if they payed for there trips, they would make double there money?. My son is almost paying £80 a month on bus fares to do his A levels. Where the help for those that are trying, when those who can't be bothered to try get it free. !!!
I drive 18 miles a day to drop my child off at school. She is currently 3 rd on the waiting list at my catchment school, this has not changed for 2 years. My other child has to get on a bus because I can't be in two places at once. I have 1 in 6 th form who cannot use his citizen card before 9 am. What use is that? One in middle school that I have to drive her to school. Also 1 child in pre school , so I have very little time to get from one to the other. Perhaps BCC should not give out the entitlement cards to people that clearly do not need them. Maybe if they payed for there trips, they would make double there money?. My son is almost paying £80 a month on bus fares to do his A levels. Where the help for those that are trying, when those who can't be bothered to try get it free. !!! Allymay
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8:49pm Thu 15 May 14

FLiszt says...

This, like Chiltern DC charge for green waste collection (Wycombe DC which is part of the same joint contract doesn't charge of green waste collection), is a massive council tax rise by the back door.

The 11+ is fine as long as all children practice for it at school - thereby giving no added value to outside coaching, and so no unfair advantage to parents who can afford to pay £1,000+ p.a. for their children to be taught information they should be all learning at school in the first place.

Bus travel could easily remain free if we save millions p.a. by combining the County and District levels of local government into a unitary.

We would also be able to once again afford to cut grass 12 times a year, and keep gullies properly cleared.

Out of the EU, councils would no longer have to waste your money advertising large contracts all over Europe.

Out of the EU we could regain control of our borders and immigration; thereby reducing the need to house such an increased population, with planning and housing policies which even the National trust has felt moved to point out are already eating into the Greenbelt - and there we were hood-winked into thinking that under the Conservatives the Greenbelt is sacrosanct - dear dear. . .

Only UKIP will offer you these and more common sense alternatives.
This, like Chiltern DC charge for green waste collection (Wycombe DC which is part of the same joint contract doesn't charge of green waste collection), is a massive council tax rise by the back door. The 11+ is fine as long as all children practice for it at school - thereby giving no added value to outside coaching, and so no unfair advantage to parents who can afford to pay £1,000+ p.a. for their children to be taught information they should be all learning at school in the first place. Bus travel could easily remain free if we save millions p.a. by combining the County and District levels of local government into a unitary. We would also be able to once again afford to cut grass 12 times a year, and keep gullies properly cleared. Out of the EU, councils would no longer have to waste your money advertising large contracts all over Europe. Out of the EU we could regain control of our borders and immigration; thereby reducing the need to house such an increased population, with planning and housing policies which even the National trust has felt moved to point out are already eating into the Greenbelt - and there we were hood-winked into thinking that under the Conservatives the Greenbelt is sacrosanct - dear dear. . . Only UKIP will offer you these and more common sense alternatives. FLiszt
  • Score: 2

9:21pm Thu 15 May 14

philsilvers says...

BFP seems to have misinterpreted the decision in terms of three siblings: "That a 50% reduction on a paid-for (discretionary) place price will be given to the third and subsequent paying child for sibling children all resident at the same home address for Buckinghamshire resident pupils aged under 16 years old." Bet those with three kids are going to be so grateful for that - they'd be better off leasing a small car.
BFP seems to have misinterpreted the decision in terms of three siblings: "That a 50% reduction on a paid-for (discretionary) place price will be given to the third and subsequent paying child for sibling children all resident at the same home address for Buckinghamshire resident pupils aged under 16 years old." Bet those with three kids are going to be so grateful for that - they'd be better off leasing a small car. philsilvers
  • Score: 4

11:09pm Thu 15 May 14

MammaTed says...

I remember there was an MP on here not so long ago saying how shocked he was that only a small number of people turned up to a public meeting. I am not surprised. The people who do attend are effectively gagged from the start by red-tape and procedure.

As MP's/councillors you are supposed to REPRESENT us. Well, I'm sorry Mike Appleyard and co, I don't feel my views have been considered or represented. Come September, thanks to you, the roads will be even more clogged than they are already and the families who have no alternatives are going to be even more out of pocket.

It would be interesting to know exactly how much these consultations cost the taxpayer and who it is that carries them out. And by the way, you don't need to spend (waste) £10,000s of taxpayer money to ask us about our views.

I'll let you into a secret - all you have to do is LISTEN to us.

I think this year I might be voting UKIP.
I remember there was an MP on here not so long ago saying how shocked he was that only a small number of people turned up to a public meeting. I am not surprised. The people who do attend are effectively gagged from the start by red-tape and procedure. As MP's/councillors you are supposed to REPRESENT us. Well, I'm sorry Mike Appleyard and co, I don't feel my views have been considered or represented. Come September, thanks to you, the roads will be even more clogged than they are already and the families who have no alternatives are going to be even more out of pocket. It would be interesting to know exactly how much these consultations cost the taxpayer and who it is that carries them out. And by the way, you don't need to spend (waste) £10,000s of taxpayer money to ask us about our views. I'll let you into a secret - all you have to do is LISTEN to us. I think this year I might be voting UKIP. MammaTed
  • Score: 8

11:25pm Thu 15 May 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

MammaTed wrote:
"Reaching our decisions were not easy, but I hope we have managed to reflect the needs of the council and those of parents, carers and schools."

I would like to propose a consultation to find out if parents, carers and schools feel their needs have been met.
Mike Appleyard has told me that people vote for BCC educational policies - that's how they know they are right.
[quote][p][bold]MammaTed[/bold] wrote: "Reaching our decisions were not easy, but I hope we have managed to reflect the needs of the council and those of parents, carers and schools." I would like to propose a consultation to find out if parents, carers and schools feel their needs have been met.[/p][/quote]Mike Appleyard has told me that people [italic] vote [/italic]for BCC educational policies - that's how they know they are right. Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 5

12:27am Fri 16 May 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

MammaTed wrote:
mistamina wrote:
You all cannot see the elephant in the room! We have a good and robust solution. See first blog from 'thethe', it says...quote
''Scrap the stupid 11+, send kids to their local schools and there will be less need for busing our schoolchildren all over the county on the pretense that this is giving parents a choice''
He/she/It says this because, we do not get first choice for places for our Bucks kids at Bucks Grammar Schools, large number of Grammar places go to out-of-county kids.
That's all fair and well, but what about the pupils needing one-on-one help, or those with special needs or those who are just average or the bright ones who would go to grammar schools? How will all of their wide and varied needs be met in one classroom or by streaming within the same school?

How can the bright ones be challenged and stretched, one-to-one pupils supported and the average ones encouraged to move away from average?

Is there a correlation between the scrapping of 12 and 11+ in other counties with declining literacy and numeracy levels?
Tell us about the counties with 'declining literacy and numeracy levels' Mamma.


I thought BCC secondary moderns did less well than the rest of the country's comprehensives - it's only at age 18 we catch up - by that stage all the grammar schools are doing as well as the comprehensives elsewhere.


I remember in December 2013 when this country was shown to have slipped behind various Asian ones in academic performance, the grammar school ideologues failed to come out barking on this subject, and it was suggested this was because Ulster, which is entirely selective, did notably worse than the rest of the UK.
[quote][p][bold]MammaTed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mistamina[/bold] wrote: You all cannot see the elephant in the room! We have a good and robust solution. See first blog from 'thethe', it says...quote ''Scrap the stupid 11+, send kids to their local schools and there will be less need for busing our schoolchildren all over the county on the pretense that this is giving parents a choice'' He/she/It says this because, we do not get first choice for places for our Bucks kids at Bucks Grammar Schools, large number of Grammar places go to out-of-county kids.[/p][/quote]That's all fair and well, but what about the pupils needing one-on-one help, or those with special needs or those who are just average or the bright ones who would go to grammar schools? How will all of their wide and varied needs be met in one classroom or by streaming within the same school? How can the bright ones be challenged and stretched, one-to-one pupils supported and the average ones encouraged to move away from average? Is there a correlation between the scrapping of 12 and 11+ in other counties with declining literacy and numeracy levels?[/p][/quote]Tell us about the counties with 'declining literacy and numeracy levels' Mamma. I thought BCC secondary moderns did less well than the rest of the country's comprehensives - it's only at age 18 we catch up - by that stage all the grammar schools are doing as well as the comprehensives elsewhere. I remember in December 2013 when this country was shown to have slipped behind various Asian ones in academic performance, the grammar school ideologues failed to come out barking on this subject, and it was suggested this was because Ulster, which is entirely selective, did notably worse than the rest of the UK. Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 0

12:31am Fri 16 May 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

It will be interesting to see what the Bucks Herald, which usually provides better educational coverage than this paper on county-wide issues, has to say.


It also does not have to provide transport for children with educational needs or disabilities, or youngsters who travel to a Buckinghamshire school from another county.


Are we paying for out-of-county children? I wonder if these two groups are going to be deprived of assistance - the BFP report mentions this but does not make this clear.
It will be interesting to see what the Bucks Herald, which usually provides better educational coverage than this paper on county-wide issues, has to say. [italic] It also does not have to provide transport for children with educational needs or disabilities, or youngsters who travel to a Buckinghamshire school from another county. [/italic] Are we paying for out-of-county children? I wonder if these two groups are going to be deprived of assistance - the BFP report mentions this but does not make this clear. Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 3

5:22am Fri 16 May 14

Allymay says...

Once your 18 and at university, you are entitled to student discounts on buses. What discount do they get for between the ages of 16 and 18?
These A level students at 6th form get no help at all.
Once your 18 and at university, you are entitled to student discounts on buses. What discount do they get for between the ages of 16 and 18? These A level students at 6th form get no help at all. Allymay
  • Score: 5

11:57am Fri 16 May 14

cragulas says...

This whole thing is a rip off for bucks children.
I have 2 boys who live more than 4 miles from any school and 5 miles from the school they attend.. I will now have to pay £570 each to get them to school on a School bus. Their pass is valid for that bus only for one return journey each school day.
Arriva buses have a weekly saver ticket for kids for unlimited travel in the Wycombe plus zone @£12.50 pw. (37school weeks per year =£462.50).

An Adult yearly ticket with Arriva costs £580 for unlimited travel. Yet for A level students BCC want £764 for a single journey. There is something VERY wrong here. The Transport charges should be no higher than local buses.

The Council are fleecing us and our kids. This needs a public enquiry not a ridiculous BCC consultation where the only options were for vast increases. Democracy indeed.

Looks like the car will be the only option next year.
This whole thing is a rip off for bucks children. I have 2 boys who live more than 4 miles from any school and 5 miles from the school they attend.. I will now have to pay £570 each to get them to school on a School bus. Their pass is valid for that bus only for one return journey each school day. Arriva buses have a weekly saver ticket for kids for unlimited travel in the Wycombe plus zone @£12.50 pw. (37school weeks per year =£462.50). An Adult yearly ticket with Arriva costs £580 for unlimited travel. Yet for A level students BCC want £764 for a single journey. There is something VERY wrong here. The Transport charges should be no higher than local buses. The Council are fleecing us and our kids. This needs a public enquiry not a ridiculous BCC consultation where the only options were for vast increases. Democracy indeed. Looks like the car will be the only option next year. cragulas
  • Score: 9

12:07pm Fri 16 May 14

AmyQ says...

As far as I was aware the transport costs that we have now were only when using BCC provision buses and that free transport was ONLY available for children who lived more than 3 miles from their nearest (note nearest) school. The issues arise where there are more children in the local catchment of a school than the school can place - and this is happening to a greater degree every year with some given out of area school places. My son has to catch a public transport bus to school every day over a distance of 3.5 miles which I have to pay for (not his nearest school) - around £440 per year - so why are the council charging so much more???
As far as I was aware the transport costs that we have now were only when using BCC provision buses and that free transport was ONLY available for children who lived more than 3 miles from their nearest (note nearest) school. The issues arise where there are more children in the local catchment of a school than the school can place - and this is happening to a greater degree every year with some given out of area school places. My son has to catch a public transport bus to school every day over a distance of 3.5 miles which I have to pay for (not his nearest school) - around £440 per year - so why are the council charging so much more??? AmyQ
  • Score: 3

12:38pm Fri 16 May 14

gungun says...

I currently pay nearly £700 a year to get my son to his catchment area school. So seeing as I work halfway between home and his school , as of September I shall be driving him to school, no doubt clogging up the area around the School and adding to general congestion and pollution en route, but the cost saving for us will be significant......Tha
nk you BCC for making me a little bit better off now, although I am not sure that was your planned outcome initially was it?
I currently pay nearly £700 a year to get my son to his catchment area school. So seeing as I work halfway between home and his school , as of September I shall be driving him to school, no doubt clogging up the area around the School and adding to general congestion and pollution en route, but the cost saving for us will be significant......Tha nk you BCC for making me a little bit better off now, although I am not sure that was your planned outcome initially was it? gungun
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12:41pm Fri 16 May 14

mistamina says...

Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
MammaTed wrote:
mistamina wrote:
You all cannot see the elephant in the room! We have a good and robust solution. See first blog from 'thethe', it says...quote
''Scrap the stupid 11+, send kids to their local schools and there will be less need for busing our schoolchildren all over the county on the pretense that this is giving parents a choice''
He/she/It says this because, we do not get first choice for places for our Bucks kids at Bucks Grammar Schools, large number of Grammar places go to out-of-county kids.
That's all fair and well, but what about the pupils needing one-on-one help, or those with special needs or those who are just average or the bright ones who would go to grammar schools? How will all of their wide and varied needs be met in one classroom or by streaming within the same school?

How can the bright ones be challenged and stretched, one-to-one pupils supported and the average ones encouraged to move away from average?

Is there a correlation between the scrapping of 12 and 11+ in other counties with declining literacy and numeracy levels?
Tell us about the counties with 'declining literacy and numeracy levels' Mamma.


I thought BCC secondary moderns did less well than the rest of the country's comprehensives - it's only at age 18 we catch up - by that stage all the grammar schools are doing as well as the comprehensives elsewhere.


I remember in December 2013 when this country was shown to have slipped behind various Asian ones in academic performance, the grammar school ideologues failed to come out barking on this subject, and it was suggested this was because Ulster, which is entirely selective, did notably worse than the rest of the UK.
Virtually all BCC secondary moderns (where failed 11+ have to go) inspected in the last 3 years are either in Requires Improvement or Special Measures.

Secondary Moderns carry the almost entire burden of all demotivated kids, SEN, Pupil Premium & BME, do not get any more support than Grammars.

The Gap in Bucks is the 3rd highest in the UK, A real slap in the face for Bucks.Social Justice.
I could go on...............
[quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MammaTed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mistamina[/bold] wrote: You all cannot see the elephant in the room! We have a good and robust solution. See first blog from 'thethe', it says...quote ''Scrap the stupid 11+, send kids to their local schools and there will be less need for busing our schoolchildren all over the county on the pretense that this is giving parents a choice'' He/she/It says this because, we do not get first choice for places for our Bucks kids at Bucks Grammar Schools, large number of Grammar places go to out-of-county kids.[/p][/quote]That's all fair and well, but what about the pupils needing one-on-one help, or those with special needs or those who are just average or the bright ones who would go to grammar schools? How will all of their wide and varied needs be met in one classroom or by streaming within the same school? How can the bright ones be challenged and stretched, one-to-one pupils supported and the average ones encouraged to move away from average? Is there a correlation between the scrapping of 12 and 11+ in other counties with declining literacy and numeracy levels?[/p][/quote]Tell us about the counties with 'declining literacy and numeracy levels' Mamma. I thought BCC secondary moderns did less well than the rest of the country's comprehensives - it's only at age 18 we catch up - by that stage all the grammar schools are doing as well as the comprehensives elsewhere. I remember in December 2013 when this country was shown to have slipped behind various Asian ones in academic performance, the grammar school ideologues failed to come out barking on this subject, and it was suggested this was because Ulster, which is entirely selective, did notably worse than the rest of the UK.[/p][/quote]Virtually all BCC secondary moderns (where failed 11+ have to go) inspected in the last 3 years are either in Requires Improvement or Special Measures. Secondary Moderns carry the almost entire burden of all demotivated kids, SEN, Pupil Premium & BME, do not get any more support than Grammars. The Gap in Bucks is the 3rd highest in the UK, A real slap in the face for Bucks.Social Justice. I could go on............... mistamina
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12:46pm Fri 16 May 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

AmyQ wrote:
As far as I was aware the transport costs that we have now were only when using BCC provision buses and that free transport was ONLY available for children who lived more than 3 miles from their nearest (note nearest) school. The issues arise where there are more children in the local catchment of a school than the school can place - and this is happening to a greater degree every year with some given out of area school places. My son has to catch a public transport bus to school every day over a distance of 3.5 miles which I have to pay for (not his nearest school) - around £440 per year - so why are the council charging so much more???
Ask your MP to enquire into the matter on your behalf.
[quote][p][bold]AmyQ[/bold] wrote: As far as I was aware the transport costs that we have now were only when using BCC provision buses and that free transport was ONLY available for children who lived more than 3 miles from their nearest (note nearest) school. The issues arise where there are more children in the local catchment of a school than the school can place - and this is happening to a greater degree every year with some given out of area school places. My son has to catch a public transport bus to school every day over a distance of 3.5 miles which I have to pay for (not his nearest school) - around £440 per year - so why are the council charging so much more???[/p][/quote]Ask your MP to enquire into the matter on your behalf. Undercover Euro Yob
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1:28pm Fri 16 May 14

andy40 says...

AmyQ wrote:
As far as I was aware the transport costs that we have now were only when using BCC provision buses and that free transport was ONLY available for children who lived more than 3 miles from their nearest (note nearest) school. The issues arise where there are more children in the local catchment of a school than the school can place - and this is happening to a greater degree every year with some given out of area school places. My son has to catch a public transport bus to school every day over a distance of 3.5 miles which I have to pay for (not his nearest school) - around £440 per year - so why are the council charging so much more???
If BCC are unable to offer a place at the nearest school shouldn't the onus be on them to get the child to a school with a place available? The family can't be held accountable for the lack of provision as a result of bad planning on the part of the council, can they? I could not use that argument as my children would only go to our nearest school over my dead body, free transport or not!
[quote][p][bold]AmyQ[/bold] wrote: As far as I was aware the transport costs that we have now were only when using BCC provision buses and that free transport was ONLY available for children who lived more than 3 miles from their nearest (note nearest) school. The issues arise where there are more children in the local catchment of a school than the school can place - and this is happening to a greater degree every year with some given out of area school places. My son has to catch a public transport bus to school every day over a distance of 3.5 miles which I have to pay for (not his nearest school) - around £440 per year - so why are the council charging so much more???[/p][/quote]If BCC are unable to offer a place at the nearest school shouldn't the onus be on them to get the child to a school with a place available? The family can't be held accountable for the lack of provision as a result of bad planning on the part of the council, can they? I could not use that argument as my children would only go to our nearest school over my dead body, free transport or not! andy40
  • Score: 2

1:56pm Fri 16 May 14

mistamina says...

andy40 wrote:
AmyQ wrote:
As far as I was aware the transport costs that we have now were only when using BCC provision buses and that free transport was ONLY available for children who lived more than 3 miles from their nearest (note nearest) school. The issues arise where there are more children in the local catchment of a school than the school can place - and this is happening to a greater degree every year with some given out of area school places. My son has to catch a public transport bus to school every day over a distance of 3.5 miles which I have to pay for (not his nearest school) - around £440 per year - so why are the council charging so much more???
If BCC are unable to offer a place at the nearest school shouldn't the onus be on them to get the child to a school with a place available? The family can't be held accountable for the lack of provision as a result of bad planning on the part of the council, can they? I could not use that argument as my children would only go to our nearest school over my dead body, free transport or not!
As the man says: ''Ask your MP to inquire into the matter on your behalf.''!!

Useless squawking at BCC! This is POLITICAL. They have their political education agenda and this is the result! if they budge, it will be political suiside. Granted their system is not socially equal. your Next step is your MP, if he has an inequitable agenda as well, then you go to the Education Secretary, Dfe.
[quote][p][bold]andy40[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AmyQ[/bold] wrote: As far as I was aware the transport costs that we have now were only when using BCC provision buses and that free transport was ONLY available for children who lived more than 3 miles from their nearest (note nearest) school. The issues arise where there are more children in the local catchment of a school than the school can place - and this is happening to a greater degree every year with some given out of area school places. My son has to catch a public transport bus to school every day over a distance of 3.5 miles which I have to pay for (not his nearest school) - around £440 per year - so why are the council charging so much more???[/p][/quote]If BCC are unable to offer a place at the nearest school shouldn't the onus be on them to get the child to a school with a place available? The family can't be held accountable for the lack of provision as a result of bad planning on the part of the council, can they? I could not use that argument as my children would only go to our nearest school over my dead body, free transport or not![/p][/quote]As the man says: ''Ask your MP to inquire into the matter on your behalf.''!! Useless squawking at BCC! This is POLITICAL. They have their political education agenda and this is the result! if they budge, it will be political suiside. Granted their system is not socially equal. your Next step is your MP, if he has an inequitable agenda as well, then you go to the Education Secretary, Dfe. mistamina
  • Score: 1

2:14pm Fri 16 May 14

cragulas says...

If you are a college or university student the aviva student saver can be purchased for £380 for the academic year for unlimited travel in the Wycombe
plus area. If you are lucky enough to live on an AVIVA bus route that goes near your school.
This is reasonable value.
BCC want to charge CHILDREN £570 for a return trip on a named bus.
This is criminal.
If you are a college or university student the aviva student saver can be purchased for £380 for the academic year for unlimited travel in the Wycombe plus area. If you are lucky enough to live on an AVIVA bus route that goes near your school. This is reasonable value. BCC want to charge CHILDREN £570 for a return trip on a named bus. This is criminal. cragulas
  • Score: 3

2:47pm Fri 16 May 14

mistamina says...

cragulas wrote:
If you are a college or university student the aviva student saver can be purchased for £380 for the academic year for unlimited travel in the Wycombe
plus area. If you are lucky enough to live on an AVIVA bus route that goes near your school.
This is reasonable value.
BCC want to charge CHILDREN £570 for a return trip on a named bus.
This is criminal.
LOL. You are a better at Commissioning services, than BCC.
Ask me another time about the BLT fiasco (about £16millions) unraveling at this moment, before our very eyes.
[quote][p][bold]cragulas[/bold] wrote: If you are a college or university student the aviva student saver can be purchased for £380 for the academic year for unlimited travel in the Wycombe plus area. If you are lucky enough to live on an AVIVA bus route that goes near your school. This is reasonable value. BCC want to charge CHILDREN £570 for a return trip on a named bus. This is criminal.[/p][/quote]LOL. You are a better at Commissioning services, than BCC. Ask me another time about the BLT fiasco (about £16millions) unraveling at this moment, before our very eyes. mistamina
  • Score: 3

3:49pm Fri 16 May 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
AmyQ wrote:
As far as I was aware the transport costs that we have now were only when using BCC provision buses and that free transport was ONLY available for children who lived more than 3 miles from their nearest (note nearest) school. The issues arise where there are more children in the local catchment of a school than the school can place - and this is happening to a greater degree every year with some given out of area school places. My son has to catch a public transport bus to school every day over a distance of 3.5 miles which I have to pay for (not his nearest school) - around £440 per year - so why are the council charging so much more???
Ask your MP to enquire into the matter on your behalf.
That is a seriously intended suggestion Amy - BCC figures don't add up (I mean with bus fares on this occasion).
[quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AmyQ[/bold] wrote: As far as I was aware the transport costs that we have now were only when using BCC provision buses and that free transport was ONLY available for children who lived more than 3 miles from their nearest (note nearest) school. The issues arise where there are more children in the local catchment of a school than the school can place - and this is happening to a greater degree every year with some given out of area school places. My son has to catch a public transport bus to school every day over a distance of 3.5 miles which I have to pay for (not his nearest school) - around £440 per year - so why are the council charging so much more???[/p][/quote]Ask your MP to enquire into the matter on your behalf.[/p][/quote]That is a seriously intended suggestion Amy - BCC figures don't add up (I mean with bus fares on this occasion). Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 1

3:58pm Fri 16 May 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

AmyQ wrote:
As far as I was aware the transport costs that we have now were only when using BCC provision buses and that free transport was ONLY available for children who lived more than 3 miles from their nearest (note nearest) school. The issues arise where there are more children in the local catchment of a school than the school can place - and this is happening to a greater degree every year with some given out of area school places. My son has to catch a public transport bus to school every day over a distance of 3.5 miles which I have to pay for (not his nearest school) - around £440 per year - so why are the council charging so much more???
Is it the case that 'nearest school' = 'nearest grammar school' for 11+ successes even if there is a handful of secondary moderns on the way there?
[quote][p][bold]AmyQ[/bold] wrote: As far as I was aware the transport costs that we have now were only when using BCC provision buses and that free transport was ONLY available for children who lived more than 3 miles from their nearest (note nearest) school. The issues arise where there are more children in the local catchment of a school than the school can place - and this is happening to a greater degree every year with some given out of area school places. My son has to catch a public transport bus to school every day over a distance of 3.5 miles which I have to pay for (not his nearest school) - around £440 per year - so why are the council charging so much more???[/p][/quote]Is it the case that 'nearest school' = 'nearest grammar school' for 11+ successes even if there is a handful of secondary moderns on the way there? Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 0

3:59pm Fri 16 May 14

BucksComment says...

THey have also snuck in the removal of free travel for students over 16 from low income families. Thereby reducing the opportunity for bright kids from low income families to benefit from the education on offer in Bucks.

I too reposnded to the online survey and had to miss out the question about 'which price rise would you like to see' as there was no 'none' or 'other' option.

If you ask the questions in the right way, you can get the answer you want.

"Tell me, when did you stop beating your wife?"
THey have also snuck in the removal of free travel for students over 16 from low income families. Thereby reducing the opportunity for bright kids from low income families to benefit from the education on offer in Bucks. I too reposnded to the online survey and had to miss out the question about 'which price rise would you like to see' as there was no 'none' or 'other' option. If you ask the questions in the right way, you can get the answer you want. "Tell me, when did you stop beating your wife?" BucksComment
  • Score: 5

5:40pm Fri 16 May 14

mistamina says...

BucksComment wrote:
THey have also snuck in the removal of free travel for students over 16 from low income families. Thereby reducing the opportunity for bright kids from low income families to benefit from the education on offer in Bucks.

I too reposnded to the online survey and had to miss out the question about 'which price rise would you like to see' as there was no 'none' or 'other' option.

If you ask the questions in the right way, you can get the answer you want.

"Tell me, when did you stop beating your wife?"
All bright kids, average kids and PP kids should go to their nearest school. Bucks 6th centenary education system is creating some dreadful problems for us bottom feeders. High time we voted this piece of elitist rubbish out of our lives and seriously concentrated on raising standards for all..
[quote][p][bold]BucksComment[/bold] wrote: THey have also snuck in the removal of free travel for students over 16 from low income families. Thereby reducing the opportunity for bright kids from low income families to benefit from the education on offer in Bucks. I too reposnded to the online survey and had to miss out the question about 'which price rise would you like to see' as there was no 'none' or 'other' option. If you ask the questions in the right way, you can get the answer you want. "Tell me, when did you stop beating your wife?"[/p][/quote]All bright kids, average kids and PP kids should go to their nearest school. Bucks 6th centenary education system is creating some dreadful problems for us bottom feeders. High time we voted this piece of elitist rubbish out of our lives and seriously concentrated on raising standards for all.. mistamina
  • Score: 4

6:07pm Fri 16 May 14

andy40 says...

Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
AmyQ wrote:
As far as I was aware the transport costs that we have now were only when using BCC provision buses and that free transport was ONLY available for children who lived more than 3 miles from their nearest (note nearest) school. The issues arise where there are more children in the local catchment of a school than the school can place - and this is happening to a greater degree every year with some given out of area school places. My son has to catch a public transport bus to school every day over a distance of 3.5 miles which I have to pay for (not his nearest school) - around £440 per year - so why are the council charging so much more???
Is it the case that 'nearest school' = 'nearest grammar school' for 11+ successes even if there is a handful of secondary moderns on the way there?
No - distance is calculated to nearest school of any type for grammar qualified children and nearest upper for non qualified children. As there are rather more upper schools than grammars, grammar qualified children are being discriminated against as their preferred school is unlikely to be the closest. A non qualified child who lives next door to a grammar school could well be entitled to transport to an upper (if it's over 3 miles away) but a qualified child living next door to an upper would not be entitled to transport to a grammar as the upper is deemed "suitable". Fair and equitable?
[quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AmyQ[/bold] wrote: As far as I was aware the transport costs that we have now were only when using BCC provision buses and that free transport was ONLY available for children who lived more than 3 miles from their nearest (note nearest) school. The issues arise where there are more children in the local catchment of a school than the school can place - and this is happening to a greater degree every year with some given out of area school places. My son has to catch a public transport bus to school every day over a distance of 3.5 miles which I have to pay for (not his nearest school) - around £440 per year - so why are the council charging so much more???[/p][/quote]Is it the case that 'nearest school' = 'nearest grammar school' for 11+ successes even if there is a handful of secondary moderns on the way there?[/p][/quote]No - distance is calculated to nearest school of any type for grammar qualified children and nearest upper for non qualified children. As there are rather more upper schools than grammars, grammar qualified children are being discriminated against as their preferred school is unlikely to be the closest. A non qualified child who lives next door to a grammar school could well be entitled to transport to an upper (if it's over 3 miles away) but a qualified child living next door to an upper would not be entitled to transport to a grammar as the upper is deemed "suitable". Fair and equitable? andy40
  • Score: 8

11:38pm Fri 16 May 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

andy40 wrote:
Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
AmyQ wrote:
As far as I was aware the transport costs that we have now were only when using BCC provision buses and that free transport was ONLY available for children who lived more than 3 miles from their nearest (note nearest) school. The issues arise where there are more children in the local catchment of a school than the school can place - and this is happening to a greater degree every year with some given out of area school places. My son has to catch a public transport bus to school every day over a distance of 3.5 miles which I have to pay for (not his nearest school) - around £440 per year - so why are the council charging so much more???
Is it the case that 'nearest school' = 'nearest grammar school' for 11+ successes even if there is a handful of secondary moderns on the way there?
No - distance is calculated to nearest school of any type for grammar qualified children and nearest upper for non qualified children. As there are rather more upper schools than grammars, grammar qualified children are being discriminated against as their preferred school is unlikely to be the closest. A non qualified child who lives next door to a grammar school could well be entitled to transport to an upper (if it's over 3 miles away) but a qualified child living next door to an upper would not be entitled to transport to a grammar as the upper is deemed "suitable". Fair and equitable?
A non qualified child who lives next door to a grammar school could well be entitled to transport to an upper (if it's over 3 miles away) but a qualified child living next door to an upper would not be entitled to transport to a grammar as the upper is deemed "suitable". Fair and equitable?


So it is possible to pass the 11+ and still get a second-rate education if you are poor and cannot afford the bus fare - you would be compelled to go to a apossibly failing secondary modern next door - mind you that would open up another place ti better off parents, possibly from out of county so perhaps there is a method in the madness.


If we got rid of selection and introduced comprehensives then this situation would not arise.
[quote][p][bold]andy40[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AmyQ[/bold] wrote: As far as I was aware the transport costs that we have now were only when using BCC provision buses and that free transport was ONLY available for children who lived more than 3 miles from their nearest (note nearest) school. The issues arise where there are more children in the local catchment of a school than the school can place - and this is happening to a greater degree every year with some given out of area school places. My son has to catch a public transport bus to school every day over a distance of 3.5 miles which I have to pay for (not his nearest school) - around £440 per year - so why are the council charging so much more???[/p][/quote]Is it the case that 'nearest school' = 'nearest grammar school' for 11+ successes even if there is a handful of secondary moderns on the way there?[/p][/quote]No - distance is calculated to nearest school of any type for grammar qualified children and nearest upper for non qualified children. As there are rather more upper schools than grammars, grammar qualified children are being discriminated against as their preferred school is unlikely to be the closest. A non qualified child who lives next door to a grammar school could well be entitled to transport to an upper (if it's over 3 miles away) but a qualified child living next door to an upper would not be entitled to transport to a grammar as the upper is deemed "suitable". Fair and equitable?[/p][/quote][italic] A non qualified child who lives next door to a grammar school could well be entitled to transport to an upper (if it's over 3 miles away) but a qualified child living next door to an upper would not be entitled to transport to a grammar as the upper is deemed "suitable". Fair and equitable? [/italic] So it is possible to pass the 11+ and [italic]still [/italic]get a second-rate education if you are poor and cannot afford the bus fare - you would be compelled to go to a apossibly failing secondary modern next door - mind you that would open up another place ti better off parents, possibly from out of county so perhaps there [italic] is [/italic]a method in the madness. If we got rid of selection and introduced comprehensives then this situation would not arise. Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 4

9:47am Sat 17 May 14

mistamina says...

Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
andy40 wrote:
Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
AmyQ wrote:
As far as I was aware the transport costs that we have now were only when using BCC provision buses and that free transport was ONLY available for children who lived more than 3 miles from their nearest (note nearest) school. The issues arise where there are more children in the local catchment of a school than the school can place - and this is happening to a greater degree every year with some given out of area school places. My son has to catch a public transport bus to school every day over a distance of 3.5 miles which I have to pay for (not his nearest school) - around £440 per year - so why are the council charging so much more???
Is it the case that 'nearest school' = 'nearest grammar school' for 11+ successes even if there is a handful of secondary moderns on the way there?
No - distance is calculated to nearest school of any type for grammar qualified children and nearest upper for non qualified children. As there are rather more upper schools than grammars, grammar qualified children are being discriminated against as their preferred school is unlikely to be the closest. A non qualified child who lives next door to a grammar school could well be entitled to transport to an upper (if it's over 3 miles away) but a qualified child living next door to an upper would not be entitled to transport to a grammar as the upper is deemed "suitable". Fair and equitable?
A non qualified child who lives next door to a grammar school could well be entitled to transport to an upper (if it's over 3 miles away) but a qualified child living next door to an upper would not be entitled to transport to a grammar as the upper is deemed "suitable". Fair and equitable?


So it is possible to pass the 11+ and still get a second-rate education if you are poor and cannot afford the bus fare - you would be compelled to go to a apossibly failing secondary modern next door - mind you that would open up another place ti better off parents, possibly from out of county so perhaps there is a method in the madness.


If we got rid of selection and introduced comprehensives then this situation would not arise.
This is all very troubling. we moved our family to Bucks because we were told Bucks had the best school education in the UK.
Now all this!

Should i have stayed out of Bucks and bused my kids in?
[quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andy40[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AmyQ[/bold] wrote: As far as I was aware the transport costs that we have now were only when using BCC provision buses and that free transport was ONLY available for children who lived more than 3 miles from their nearest (note nearest) school. The issues arise where there are more children in the local catchment of a school than the school can place - and this is happening to a greater degree every year with some given out of area school places. My son has to catch a public transport bus to school every day over a distance of 3.5 miles which I have to pay for (not his nearest school) - around £440 per year - so why are the council charging so much more???[/p][/quote]Is it the case that 'nearest school' = 'nearest grammar school' for 11+ successes even if there is a handful of secondary moderns on the way there?[/p][/quote]No - distance is calculated to nearest school of any type for grammar qualified children and nearest upper for non qualified children. As there are rather more upper schools than grammars, grammar qualified children are being discriminated against as their preferred school is unlikely to be the closest. A non qualified child who lives next door to a grammar school could well be entitled to transport to an upper (if it's over 3 miles away) but a qualified child living next door to an upper would not be entitled to transport to a grammar as the upper is deemed "suitable". Fair and equitable?[/p][/quote][italic] A non qualified child who lives next door to a grammar school could well be entitled to transport to an upper (if it's over 3 miles away) but a qualified child living next door to an upper would not be entitled to transport to a grammar as the upper is deemed "suitable". Fair and equitable? [/italic] So it is possible to pass the 11+ and [italic]still [/italic]get a second-rate education if you are poor and cannot afford the bus fare - you would be compelled to go to a apossibly failing secondary modern next door - mind you that would open up another place ti better off parents, possibly from out of county so perhaps there [italic] is [/italic]a method in the madness. If we got rid of selection and introduced comprehensives then this situation would not arise.[/p][/quote]This is all very troubling. we moved our family to Bucks because we were told Bucks had the best school education in the UK. Now all this! Should i have stayed out of Bucks and bused my kids in? mistamina
  • Score: 3

12:18pm Sat 17 May 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

You should have:

a; stayed out of Bucks and not bussed your children in or:

b; come into Bucks and bussed your children out.

You can see the latter course of action being put into practice not far from Mike Appleyard's house every schoolday morning, at Bourne End Railway Station, when children catch the train across the Thames into Berkshire, to the much-despised (in orthodox Buckinghamshire Conservative educational circles) comprehensive schools in the Maidenhead area.
You should have: a; stayed out of Bucks and [italic]not [/italic]bussed your children in or: b; come into Bucks and bussed your children [italic]out[/italic]. You can see the latter course of action being put into practice not far from Mike Appleyard's house every schoolday morning, at Bourne End Railway Station, when children catch the train across the Thames into Berkshire, to the much-despised (in orthodox Buckinghamshire Conservative educational circles) comprehensive schools in the Maidenhead area. Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 1

3:23pm Sat 17 May 14

mistamina says...

Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
You should have:

a; stayed out of Bucks and not bussed your children in or:

b; come into Bucks and bussed your children out.

You can see the latter course of action being put into practice not far from Mike Appleyard's house every schoolday morning, at Bourne End Railway Station, when children catch the train across the Thames into Berkshire, to the much-despised (in orthodox Buckinghamshire Conservative educational circles) comprehensive schools in the Maidenhead area.
What!!! Are you saying parents in Bucks are busing their children out of Bucks to get a better education out of county?
But Bucks Estate Agents, Education and top Officials say Bucks education is best! i do not believe who to believe. One moment, let me Google GCSE results.

!! you are right. if my child fails the 11+, there are no secondary moderns schools in my locality that have a decent Ofsted.
[quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: You should have: a; stayed out of Bucks and [italic]not [/italic]bussed your children in or: b; come into Bucks and bussed your children [italic]out[/italic]. You can see the latter course of action being put into practice not far from Mike Appleyard's house every schoolday morning, at Bourne End Railway Station, when children catch the train across the Thames into Berkshire, to the much-despised (in orthodox Buckinghamshire Conservative educational circles) comprehensive schools in the Maidenhead area.[/p][/quote]What!!! Are you saying parents in Bucks are busing their children out of Bucks to get a better education out of county? But Bucks Estate Agents, Education and top Officials say Bucks education is best! i do not believe who to believe. One moment, let me Google GCSE results. !! you are right. if my child fails the 11+, there are no secondary moderns schools in my locality that have a decent Ofsted. mistamina
  • Score: 0

3:25pm Sat 17 May 14

Allymay says...

Can you blame parents for sending there children out of bucks??
My daughters school has been in special measures now for nearly two years. My catchment school is full. What Hope do our children have of passing there 11+ to get into a better school.
Consider home tutoring. ( guess what ? You won't need a bus!!!!)
Can you blame parents for sending there children out of bucks?? My daughters school has been in special measures now for nearly two years. My catchment school is full. What Hope do our children have of passing there 11+ to get into a better school. Consider home tutoring. ( guess what ? You won't need a bus!!!!) Allymay
  • Score: 1

3:34pm Sat 17 May 14

mistamina says...

Allymay wrote:
Can you blame parents for sending there children out of bucks??
My daughters school has been in special measures now for nearly two years. My catchment school is full. What Hope do our children have of passing there 11+ to get into a better school.
Consider home tutoring. ( guess what ? You won't need a bus!!!!)
In previous blogs this has been said several times. Bucks secondary moderns failing and no secondary places available anyway.
I am getting very worried for the education of my children.
Sorry being selfish, i mean for all children that are failures at the 11+.

Allymay, can you say very roughly what area you are in?
[quote][p][bold]Allymay[/bold] wrote: Can you blame parents for sending there children out of bucks?? My daughters school has been in special measures now for nearly two years. My catchment school is full. What Hope do our children have of passing there 11+ to get into a better school. Consider home tutoring. ( guess what ? You won't need a bus!!!!)[/p][/quote]In previous blogs this has been said several times. Bucks secondary moderns failing and no secondary places available anyway. I am getting very worried for the education of my children. Sorry being selfish, i mean for all children that are failures at the 11+. Allymay, can you say very roughly what area you are in? mistamina
  • Score: 2

10:56pm Sat 17 May 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Allymay wrote:
Can you blame parents for sending there children out of bucks??
My daughters school has been in special measures now for nearly two years. My catchment school is full. What Hope do our children have of passing there 11+ to get into a better school.
Consider home tutoring. ( guess what ? You won't need a bus!!!!)
Which school is this Allymay - I understood only Mike Appleyard's old school was in SM?
[quote][p][bold]Allymay[/bold] wrote: Can you blame parents for sending there children out of bucks?? My daughters school has been in special measures now for nearly two years. My catchment school is full. What Hope do our children have of passing there 11+ to get into a better school. Consider home tutoring. ( guess what ? You won't need a bus!!!!)[/p][/quote]Which school is this Allymay - I understood only Mike Appleyard's old school was in SM? Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 0

10:38am Sun 18 May 14

MammaTed says...

If anyone is interested, to privately hire a coach, it is around £160 a day for a 50/80 seater irrespective of the route/number of pick ups. No passes are required, only a list of names and numbers for each pick up.
If anyone is interested, to privately hire a coach, it is around £160 a day for a 50/80 seater irrespective of the route/number of pick ups. No passes are required, only a list of names and numbers for each pick up. MammaTed
  • Score: 1

1:09pm Mon 19 May 14

ShamofBucksCC says...

This dept. in BucksCC is a complete shower.
They do not carry out risk assessments for the journey's that the children have to walk to school and therefore in many instances are telling them to take very dangerous routes without pavements or street lights, however try taking them to appeal over this and they lie. Unfortunately not only does this council have a very cavalier attitude to the education of children but also of their safety.
This dept. in BucksCC is a complete shower. They do not carry out risk assessments for the journey's that the children have to walk to school and therefore in many instances are telling them to take very dangerous routes without pavements or street lights, however try taking them to appeal over this and they lie. Unfortunately not only does this council have a very cavalier attitude to the education of children but also of their safety. ShamofBucksCC
  • Score: 6

12:47am Tue 20 May 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

ShamofBucksCC wrote:
This dept. in BucksCC is a complete shower.
They do not carry out risk assessments for the journey's that the children have to walk to school and therefore in many instances are telling them to take very dangerous routes without pavements or street lights, however try taking them to appeal over this and they lie. Unfortunately not only does this council have a very cavalier attitude to the education of children but also of their safety.
I think it is a joke too - we have people running the education system who remain silent and refuse to reply to questions or criticisms while important aspects like the 11+ are shrouded in secrecy.
[quote][p][bold]ShamofBucksCC[/bold] wrote: This dept. in BucksCC is a complete shower. They do not carry out risk assessments for the journey's that the children have to walk to school and therefore in many instances are telling them to take very dangerous routes without pavements or street lights, however try taking them to appeal over this and they lie. Unfortunately not only does this council have a very cavalier attitude to the education of children but also of their safety.[/p][/quote]I think it is a joke too - we have people running the education system who remain silent and refuse to reply to questions or criticisms while important aspects like the 11+ are shrouded in secrecy. Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 2

3:57pm Tue 20 May 14

Emma179 says...

I have a 7,5 and 3 year old. Reading old this is very depressing. We live 7 miles from the nearest secondary school. We didn't know they would cut all the funding when we moved here. It's not really fair that we are facing a massive fuel bill or bus fares just because we can't afford to live near the schools and as many have already said, massively clogging up the roads if we all drive. There is just no common sense in this decision. I do wonder what on earth our council tax is paying for these days!! I know how I'll be voting next time and it isn't for the present councillors!!!
I have a 7,5 and 3 year old. Reading old this is very depressing. We live 7 miles from the nearest secondary school. We didn't know they would cut all the funding when we moved here. It's not really fair that we are facing a massive fuel bill or bus fares just because we can't afford to live near the schools and as many have already said, massively clogging up the roads if we all drive. There is just no common sense in this decision. I do wonder what on earth our council tax is paying for these days!! I know how I'll be voting next time and it isn't for the present councillors!!! Emma179
  • Score: 1

4:38pm Tue 20 May 14

andy40 says...

Emma179 wrote:
I have a 7,5 and 3 year old. Reading old this is very depressing. We live 7 miles from the nearest secondary school. We didn't know they would cut all the funding when we moved here. It's not really fair that we are facing a massive fuel bill or bus fares just because we can't afford to live near the schools and as many have already said, massively clogging up the roads if we all drive. There is just no common sense in this decision. I do wonder what on earth our council tax is paying for these days!! I know how I'll be voting next time and it isn't for the present councillors!!!
BCC will provide transport to the nearest school if it is over 3 (they may have just increased it to 4) miles away. But....this may not be your catchment school and it may not be a school you would choose for your child - if you exercise parental choice then BCC is absolved of any obligation. By choosing the catchment school, about 4 miles away, parents expected to be eligible for free transport, but as it is not the nearest school it's going to cost. I reluctantly accept that I have to pay, but I object to a 50% increase. Providing your preferred school is your nearest and is over the specified distance then you will be ok (although anything could change by the time your children go to secondary school).
[quote][p][bold]Emma179[/bold] wrote: I have a 7,5 and 3 year old. Reading old this is very depressing. We live 7 miles from the nearest secondary school. We didn't know they would cut all the funding when we moved here. It's not really fair that we are facing a massive fuel bill or bus fares just because we can't afford to live near the schools and as many have already said, massively clogging up the roads if we all drive. There is just no common sense in this decision. I do wonder what on earth our council tax is paying for these days!! I know how I'll be voting next time and it isn't for the present councillors!!![/p][/quote]BCC will provide transport to the nearest school if it is over 3 (they may have just increased it to 4) miles away. But....this may not be your catchment school and it may not be a school you would choose for your child - if you exercise parental choice then BCC is absolved of any obligation. By choosing the catchment school, about 4 miles away, parents expected to be eligible for free transport, but as it is not the nearest school it's going to cost. I reluctantly accept that I have to pay, but I object to a 50% increase. Providing your preferred school is your nearest and is over the specified distance then you will be ok (although anything could change by the time your children go to secondary school). andy40
  • Score: 0

5:32pm Tue 20 May 14

Allymay says...

I just know who and where these decision are made.
When I tryed to get my daughter into my catchment school I was told she would go on the waiting list. 2 years later she is still on the waiting list. I even went to appeal but , wait for it , I was told there was a space in a school just 1.1 miles away that they have spaces. And guess what , it was a school I would not send my daughter , if someone moves into the area they go straight over me on the list. Regardless of how long I have been waiting. It's a nightmare. I must use on average £40 a week fuel on the school run. As emma179 said clogging up the roads. I would love nothing more than to walk the school run , BCC are making this impossible .
I just know who and where these decision are made. When I tryed to get my daughter into my catchment school I was told she would go on the waiting list. 2 years later she is still on the waiting list. I even went to appeal but , wait for it , I was told there was a space in a school just 1.1 miles away that they have spaces. And guess what , it was a school I would not send my daughter , if someone moves into the area they go straight over me on the list. Regardless of how long I have been waiting. It's a nightmare. I must use on average £40 a week fuel on the school run. As emma179 said clogging up the roads. I would love nothing more than to walk the school run , BCC are making this impossible . Allymay
  • Score: 1

11:39pm Tue 20 May 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Is there anyone in the transport / bus / coach business, reading this, who can make a better offer than the one from BCC to any local PTA?
Is there anyone in the transport / bus / coach business, reading this, who can make a better offer than the one from BCC to any local PTA? Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 3

4:54pm Wed 21 May 14

MammaTed says...

Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
Is there anyone in the transport / bus / coach business, reading this, who can make a better offer than the one from BCC to any local PTA?
I believe it is around £160 per day for an 80/50 seater.

If you have the numbers, a school or PA could easily book a coach. If you can fill an 80 seater, then it works out at £2 a day for each person and you wont need any extra outlay for passes as all that the company will need is a list showing numbers for each stop.

Definitely worthwhile asking for a quote if you have the numbers.
[quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: Is there anyone in the transport / bus / coach business, reading this, who can make a better offer than the one from BCC to any local PTA?[/p][/quote]I believe it is around £160 per day for an 80/50 seater. If you have the numbers, a school or PA could easily book a coach. If you can fill an 80 seater, then it works out at £2 a day for each person and you wont need any extra outlay for passes as all that the company will need is a list showing numbers for each stop. Definitely worthwhile asking for a quote if you have the numbers. MammaTed
  • Score: 1

11:04pm Wed 21 May 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

For a 50 seater then it would be £3.20 if full per day.

Some parent or parents ought to look into it.

(As this is Bucks though and parents elect council candidates who support the discredited 11+ I suppose they would not have enough sense to do something in their own interest like dealing with a coach company directly.)
For a 50 seater then it would be £3.20 if full per day. Some parent or parents ought to look into it. (As this is Bucks though and parents elect council candidates who support the discredited 11+ I suppose they would not have enough sense to do something in their own interest like dealing with a coach company directly.) Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 2

11:05pm Wed 21 May 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

As quite a few school PTA’s were not listed or were only contactable through the school office here is a map and a list of schools from BCC website:

http://www.buckscc.g
ov.uk/education/scho
ols/schools-director
y/alphabetical-list/
http://www.buckscc.g
ov.uk/education/scho
ols/schools-director
y/
As quite a few school PTA’s were not listed or were only contactable through the school office here is a map and a list of schools from BCC website: http://www.buckscc.g ov.uk/education/scho ols/schools-director y/alphabetical-list/ http://www.buckscc.g ov.uk/education/scho ols/schools-director y/ Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 2

1:38pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

This is long to watch and not connected to the ongoing balls-up of transport fees at BCC, but it shows a report they did not want us to see I think - our unaccountable and unaccountably-electe
d masters in action over a much longer-running, larger and more significant balls-up, of ‘selection’ at BCC.


http://www.buckscc.p
ublic-i.tv/core/port
al/webcast_interacti
ve/123682#
This is long to watch and not connected to the ongoing balls-up of transport fees at BCC, but it shows a report they did not want us to see I think - our unaccountable and unaccountably-electe d masters in action over a much longer-running, larger and more significant balls-up, of ‘selection’ at BCC. http://www.buckscc.p ublic-i.tv/core/port al/webcast_interacti ve/123682# Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 1

1:40pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

http://www.buckscc.p
ublic-i.tv/core/port
al/webcast_interacti
ve/123682#
http://www.buckscc.p ublic-i.tv/core/port al/webcast_interacti ve/123682# Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 1

1:44pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

ShamofBucksCC wrote:
This dept. in BucksCC is a complete shower.
They do not carry out risk assessments for the journey's that the children have to walk to school and therefore in many instances are telling them to take very dangerous routes without pavements or street lights, however try taking them to appeal over this and they lie. Unfortunately not only does this council have a very cavalier attitude to the education of children but also of their safety.
http://www.buckscc.p
ublic-i.tv/core/port
al/webcast_interacti
ve/123682#
[quote][p][bold]ShamofBucksCC[/bold] wrote: This dept. in BucksCC is a complete shower. They do not carry out risk assessments for the journey's that the children have to walk to school and therefore in many instances are telling them to take very dangerous routes without pavements or street lights, however try taking them to appeal over this and they lie. Unfortunately not only does this council have a very cavalier attitude to the education of children but also of their safety.[/p][/quote]http://www.buckscc.p ublic-i.tv/core/port al/webcast_interacti ve/123682# Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 1

11:48am Fri 13 Jun 14

zed1972 says...

We live in Lane End where the option of walking to any secondary school is impossible, our closest school is Cressex but our catchment school is Great Marlow, so if my children go to our catchment school we have to pay, but if they go to the nearest school which would still require a bus trip it is free as it cannot be walked , BUT if we nominate them to go to Cressex 1st and Great Marlow 2nd and they fail to get their 1st option due to over subscription and end up at Great Marlow it is also free.....go figure.
We live in Lane End where the option of walking to any secondary school is impossible, our closest school is Cressex but our catchment school is Great Marlow, so if my children go to our catchment school we have to pay, but if they go to the nearest school which would still require a bus trip it is free as it cannot be walked , BUT if we nominate them to go to Cressex 1st and Great Marlow 2nd and they fail to get their 1st option due to over subscription and end up at Great Marlow it is also free.....go figure. zed1972
  • Score: 0

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