Traffic lights at 'dangerous' junction would ruin scenery says council

Bucks Free Press: Traffic lights at 'dangerous' junction would ruin scenery says council Traffic lights at 'dangerous' junction would ruin scenery says council

PLANS to transform a major traffic junction labelled "dangerous" by residents were rejected over fears that traffic lights would destroy the rural location, it has emerged.

As reported last week, The Highways Agency (HA) wanted to rip up the A404 Bisham Roundabout near Marlow and replace it with a light-controlled crossroads.

But the plan thrown out after the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead (RBWM) and Bisham Parish Council vetoed the £8m design to improve traffic flow.

This is despite fears from residents that the alternative solution will make matters worse for those who "take their life into their hands" to cross the roundabout from Bisham.

Tony Carr, traffic and road safety manager at RBWM, said: "We were concerned that a signal crossroads in that location had a number of issues given that it is a fast dual carriageway.

"There was a concern about the visual impact of the signals in an attractive rural location. This urban solution is completely inappropriate.

"We appreciate there are problems getting on to the road, and we want to come up with a solution that suits everybody. It is a very difficult balancing act to take into account."

Mr Carr also said that traffic light junctions also have a worse road safety record than other types of road layout.

Residents and the Marlow Society complain the replacement £1.8m layout, featuring an separate left turn lane into Bisham, will make the junction more dangerous for motorists.

In his letter to the Highways Agency, chairman Martin Blunkell said: "Of specific concern to us all is the ever more difficult and dangerous driving that we have to undertake when trying to enter the A404 from the Maidenhead and Bisham roads.

"The building of a slip road must surely increase the rate of traffic flow northwards making it even more hazardous to those trying to leave Bisham.

He added: "Even at 0630h in the morning an exit from Bisham has to be made with wheels spinning due to the speed of traffic through the roundabout."

Bisham Parish Council insists the traffic light crossroad was not suitable and would blighted the village.

Chairman Mandy Robson-Brown said: "The Highways Agency wanted to remove the roundabout and replace it with a major cross roads with 24-hour lights and we object to that because it would have been devastation.

"We are talking about a village which is mainly listed and a site of special scientific interest. This would have been a major junction, it would have an appalling impact on the village.

"It (the changes) won’t make any difference to the traffic flow at the roundabout and may make crossing more difficult. But it is far preferable to the impact the lights would have. There are no quick solutions to this problem."

Mrs Robson-Brown added part time traffic lights would have been a better option, but that the HA ruled this out due to the size of the roundabout.

The Highways Agency said the original plan was changed after RBWM refused to sign a legal agreement to install the traffic light crossroads and has based its new solution on feedback with both councils.

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9:22am Fri 23 May 14

Texaco says...

If you can drive with confidence then there's no problem. unfortunately too many people can't drive very well and everybody has to suffer for this. Traffic lights just cause congestion, so leave it alone and those that can't drive should join the A404 at the A4155 junction or the A4 junction.
If you can drive with confidence then there's no problem. unfortunately too many people can't drive very well and everybody has to suffer for this. Traffic lights just cause congestion, so leave it alone and those that can't drive should join the A404 at the A4155 junction or the A4 junction. Texaco
  • Score: 8

9:34am Fri 23 May 14

sparky49 says...

So the residents want it changed for safety reasons, yet the jumped up failed milk monitors AKA Parish councillors say no because the lights would be used 24 hours a day and it would ruin the scenery.
What price safety?
So the residents want it changed for safety reasons, yet the jumped up failed milk monitors AKA Parish councillors say no because the lights would be used 24 hours a day and it would ruin the scenery. What price safety? sparky49
  • Score: 2

9:39am Fri 23 May 14

Texaco says...

Parish councillors are also residents!
Parish councillors are also residents! Texaco
  • Score: -6

9:41am Fri 23 May 14

CatherineAB says...

How about peak-time lights on the 404 in both directions? Just to give the rest of humanity a chance? Or an enforcible speed restriction on the 404 approaches in both directions, down to 30 mph?
How about peak-time lights on the 404 in both directions? Just to give the rest of humanity a chance? Or an enforcible speed restriction on the 404 approaches in both directions, down to 30 mph? CatherineAB
  • Score: -3

9:41am Fri 23 May 14

CatherineAB says...

How about peak-time lights on the 404 in both directions? Just to give the rest of humanity a chance? Or an enforcible speed restriction on the 404 approaches in both directions, down to 30 mph?
How about peak-time lights on the 404 in both directions? Just to give the rest of humanity a chance? Or an enforcible speed restriction on the 404 approaches in both directions, down to 30 mph? CatherineAB
  • Score: -4

11:37am Fri 23 May 14

s6blr says...

The council should be chained to a post and made to endure 7 days of rush hours across the Bisham Roundabout. Then they would see the abject terror of junction it is.

Plow it under, build a fly over and be done with it -- that was agreed by the council several years ago and is the only solution that will ultimately solve this.

Quit **** about with 1/2 witted band-aids and fix the junction once and for all!
The council should be chained to a post and made to endure 7 days of rush hours across the Bisham Roundabout. Then they would see the abject terror of junction it is. Plow it under, build a fly over and be done with it -- that was agreed by the council several years ago and is the only solution that will ultimately solve this. Quit **** about with 1/2 witted band-aids and fix the junction once and for all! s6blr
  • Score: 5

11:40am Fri 23 May 14

Ivor'sbestfriend says...

It isn't a junction of terror, unless you can't drive.

It is a massive pain in the rear end though.
It isn't a junction of terror, unless you can't drive. It is a massive pain in the rear end though. Ivor'sbestfriend
  • Score: 4

2:21pm Fri 23 May 14

stevet123 says...

s6blr wrote:
The council should be chained to a post and made to endure 7 days of rush hours across the Bisham Roundabout. Then they would see the abject terror of junction it is.

Plow it under, build a fly over and be done with it -- that was agreed by the council several years ago and is the only solution that will ultimately solve this.

Quit **** about with 1/2 witted band-aids and fix the junction once and for all!
There is only 2 options to cure the situation, build a flyover or build an underpass, with slip roads for Bisham and pinkneys green road, problem solved, continuous flow of traffic on the A404, no hold ups for the 2 B roads.

In reality the A404 needs to be widened to 3 lanes, this should have been done when it was first built

BCC take note, arrange it sort it and pay for it, find the money
[quote][p][bold]s6blr[/bold] wrote: The council should be chained to a post and made to endure 7 days of rush hours across the Bisham Roundabout. Then they would see the abject terror of junction it is. Plow it under, build a fly over and be done with it -- that was agreed by the council several years ago and is the only solution that will ultimately solve this. Quit **** about with 1/2 witted band-aids and fix the junction once and for all![/p][/quote]There is only 2 options to cure the situation, build a flyover or build an underpass, with slip roads for Bisham and pinkneys green road, problem solved, continuous flow of traffic on the A404, no hold ups for the 2 B roads. In reality the A404 needs to be widened to 3 lanes, this should have been done when it was first built BCC take note, arrange it sort it and pay for it, find the money stevet123
  • Score: 2

2:22pm Fri 23 May 14

marlowbucks says...

Priorité à gauche, anyone? Joking!
Priorité à gauche, anyone? Joking! marlowbucks
  • Score: -2

2:23pm Fri 23 May 14

stevet123 says...

s6blr wrote:
The council should be chained to a post and made to endure 7 days of rush hours across the Bisham Roundabout. Then they would see the abject terror of junction it is.

Plow it under, build a fly over and be done with it -- that was agreed by the council several years ago and is the only solution that will ultimately solve this.

Quit **** about with 1/2 witted band-aids and fix the junction once and for all!
There is only 2 options to cure the situation, build a flyover or build an underpass, with slip roads for Bisham and pinkneys green road, problem solved, continuous flow of traffic on the A404, no hold ups for the 2 B roads.

In reality the A404 needs to be widened to 3 lanes, this should have been done when it was first built

BCC take note, arrange it sort it and pay for it, find the money
[quote][p][bold]s6blr[/bold] wrote: The council should be chained to a post and made to endure 7 days of rush hours across the Bisham Roundabout. Then they would see the abject terror of junction it is. Plow it under, build a fly over and be done with it -- that was agreed by the council several years ago and is the only solution that will ultimately solve this. Quit **** about with 1/2 witted band-aids and fix the junction once and for all![/p][/quote]There is only 2 options to cure the situation, build a flyover or build an underpass, with slip roads for Bisham and pinkneys green road, problem solved, continuous flow of traffic on the A404, no hold ups for the 2 B roads. In reality the A404 needs to be widened to 3 lanes, this should have been done when it was first built BCC take note, arrange it sort it and pay for it, find the money stevet123
  • Score: 0

2:28pm Fri 23 May 14

stevet123 says...

stevet123 wrote:
s6blr wrote:
The council should be chained to a post and made to endure 7 days of rush hours across the Bisham Roundabout. Then they would see the abject terror of junction it is.

Plow it under, build a fly over and be done with it -- that was agreed by the council several years ago and is the only solution that will ultimately solve this.

Quit **** about with 1/2 witted band-aids and fix the junction once and for all!
There is only 2 options to cure the situation, build a flyover or build an underpass, with slip roads for Bisham and pinkneys green road, problem solved, continuous flow of traffic on the A404, no hold ups for the 2 B roads.

In reality the A404 needs to be widened to 3 lanes, this should have been done when it was first built

BCC take note, arrange it sort it and pay for it, find the money
I so sorry, but this has nothing to do with BCC , but the Berkshire councillors
[quote][p][bold]stevet123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s6blr[/bold] wrote: The council should be chained to a post and made to endure 7 days of rush hours across the Bisham Roundabout. Then they would see the abject terror of junction it is. Plow it under, build a fly over and be done with it -- that was agreed by the council several years ago and is the only solution that will ultimately solve this. Quit **** about with 1/2 witted band-aids and fix the junction once and for all![/p][/quote]There is only 2 options to cure the situation, build a flyover or build an underpass, with slip roads for Bisham and pinkneys green road, problem solved, continuous flow of traffic on the A404, no hold ups for the 2 B roads. In reality the A404 needs to be widened to 3 lanes, this should have been done when it was first built BCC take note, arrange it sort it and pay for it, find the money[/p][/quote]I so sorry, but this has nothing to do with BCC , but the Berkshire councillors stevet123
  • Score: 3

3:22pm Fri 23 May 14

southguy says...

traffic lights would just cause more traffic,if drivers went threw different routes it would take a lot less time,ie get off at bisham and go threw marlow threw to bourne end by quarry road or maidenhead threw cookham to bourne end,but then if they can get them right like the traffic lights in high Wycombe by Tesco/eden it should work
traffic lights would just cause more traffic,if drivers went threw different routes it would take a lot less time,ie get off at bisham and go threw marlow threw to bourne end by quarry road or maidenhead threw cookham to bourne end,but then if they can get them right like the traffic lights in high Wycombe by Tesco/eden it should work southguy
  • Score: -3

5:56pm Fri 23 May 14

sparky49 says...

southguy wrote:
traffic lights would just cause more traffic,if drivers went threw different routes it would take a lot less time,ie get off at bisham and go threw marlow threw to bourne end by quarry road or maidenhead threw cookham to bourne end,but then if they can get them right like the traffic lights in high Wycombe by Tesco/eden it should work
Everything in lower case, poor spelling. Are you a LEVI?
[quote][p][bold]southguy[/bold] wrote: traffic lights would just cause more traffic,if drivers went threw different routes it would take a lot less time,ie get off at bisham and go threw marlow threw to bourne end by quarry road or maidenhead threw cookham to bourne end,but then if they can get them right like the traffic lights in high Wycombe by Tesco/eden it should work[/p][/quote]Everything in lower case, poor spelling. Are you a LEVI? sparky49
  • Score: 0

6:46pm Fri 23 May 14

allrightnow2 says...

I drive this every day and I find the traffic on the A404 is the least of my problems. It does move constantly, it's not stop start. The worst bit for me is the slip road at Marlow on the Northbound section. Please install part-time traffic lights or at the very least a keep clear box there as sometimes the traffic from the bypass is forced to push on to the roundabout because no one leaves space in the stopped traffic and then the horns go....
I drive this every day and I find the traffic on the A404 is the least of my problems. It does move constantly, it's not stop start. The worst bit for me is the slip road at Marlow on the Northbound section. Please install part-time traffic lights or at the very least a keep clear box there as sometimes the traffic from the bypass is forced to push on to the roundabout because no one leaves space in the stopped traffic and then the horns go.... allrightnow2
  • Score: 3

7:35pm Fri 23 May 14

valleyviewboy says...

Last time I checked a large roundabout on a busy trunk road was not anyone's idea of 'beautiful scenery'. So I'm not sure how the addition of traffic lights would turn it from an oil painting to an urban slum!

I agree, ideally the best solution would be to create an A4155 style junction, with grade separated approaches. The A4155 junction is not prettier or uglier than the current A308 junction, but it's a **** more effective.
Last time I checked a large roundabout on a busy trunk road was not anyone's idea of 'beautiful scenery'. So I'm not sure how the addition of traffic lights would turn it from an oil painting to an urban slum! I agree, ideally the best solution would be to create an A4155 style junction, with grade separated approaches. The A4155 junction is not prettier or uglier than the current A308 junction, but it's a **** more effective. valleyviewboy
  • Score: 4

11:41pm Fri 23 May 14

s6blr says...

Whether it's a Bucks or Berks councils I do not really give a Monkeys about. The fact that a seriou, life changing incident IS going to happen due to the overload is the point.

I guess the NIMBY's are fine with the burger vans and parked up lorries, how very scenic. My bet is 1-2 moppets or old dears have complained and the Bucks or Berks boys club is protecting them at our expense!
Whether it's a Bucks or Berks councils I do not really give a Monkeys about. The fact that a seriou, life changing incident IS going to happen due to the overload is the point. I guess the NIMBY's are fine with the burger vans and parked up lorries, how very scenic. My bet is 1-2 moppets or old dears have complained and the Bucks or Berks boys club is protecting them at our expense! s6blr
  • Score: 1

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