Campaigners accuse police of double standards ahead of Habib Ullah vigil

Campaigner accuses police of double standards ahead of Habib Ullah vigil

Campaigner accuses police of double standards ahead of Habib Ullah vigil

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CAMPAIGNERS have accused the police of double standards as they prepare to hold a vigil to mark the sixth anniversary of the death of Habib ‘Paps’ Ullah.

Justice4Paps will hold a peaceful protest outside Wycombe police station on June 19 as it continues its quest for answers over his death.

The 39-year-old suffered a cardiac arrest during a stop-and-search in Sharrow Vale on July 3, 2008.

He was being restrained by officers who were trying to force a drugs package out of his throat.

Mr Ullah’s sister, Nasit Mahmood, said the family is still seeking closure six years on from his death - yet pointed to a case last week in which a man was charged and due before the courts within two weeks of allegedly assaulting two officers.

She said: “A man assaults police officers in High Wycombe and is arrested and charged and will be due in court in just over two weeks.

“My brother died during a stop and search involving four officers, and the family have been waiting almost six years for a decision to be made on whether or not to charge the officers involved and bring them to trial.

“The system does not seem to work when police are the alleged perpetrators.”

Thames Valley Police declined to respond to Ms Mahmood’s comments.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission referred Mr Ullah’s case to the Crown Prosecution Service in February. No decisions have been made.

The IPCC reopened its investigation into the case after the 2010 inquest into Mr Ullah’s death was abandoned after the Buckinghamshire Coroner was informed police officers had been advised to change their statements.

Five TVP officers and a solicitor acting for police officers were interviewed by the IPCC under criminal caution.

The six year vigil – brought forward due to Ramadan and to coincide with Father’s Day – will be held between 5pm and 7pm on Thursday.

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12:01pm Wed 11 Jun 14

MunsterX says...

A competent dealer only trades next to an open drainage grill, with a fast flow of water on offer.
Any human being who murdered a member of my family would not be alive much longer than my beloved.
A competent dealer only trades next to an open drainage grill, with a fast flow of water on offer. Any human being who murdered a member of my family would not be alive much longer than my beloved. MunsterX
  • Score: -37

12:07pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Justice!!! says...

WHY DOES BFP ALWAYS LET PEOPLE COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE MOST OTHER ARTICLES YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COMMENT BUT WHENEVER SOMETHING TO DO WITH ASIAN'S OR BLACK COMMUNITY YOU ARE ALLOWED TO COMMENT. AND NOT TO FORGET ITS THE SAME STUPID PEOPLE TO COMMENT OVER AND OVER AGAIN HAHAHA GET A LIFE.
WHY DOES BFP ALWAYS LET PEOPLE COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE MOST OTHER ARTICLES YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COMMENT BUT WHENEVER SOMETHING TO DO WITH ASIAN'S OR BLACK COMMUNITY YOU ARE ALLOWED TO COMMENT. AND NOT TO FORGET ITS THE SAME STUPID PEOPLE TO COMMENT OVER AND OVER AGAIN HAHAHA GET A LIFE. Justice!!!
  • Score: -38

1:49pm Wed 11 Jun 14

press77 says...

I agree with Justice.
that is racism!
I agree with Justice. that is racism! press77
  • Score: -24

10:25pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Justice? Commonsense.. says...

How bizarre that my earlier comments have been deleted!
I note that all negative comment (?) have also been removed.
It is therefore quite obvious what is going on here.
And just for the record I have no link with TVP.
It's however quite blatantly clear who the BFP is supporting by even giving a platform to this case.....
No doubt this comment too will be deleted.
How bizarre that my earlier comments have been deleted! I note that all negative comment (?) have also been removed. It is therefore quite obvious what is going on here. And just for the record I have no link with TVP. It's however quite blatantly clear who the BFP is supporting by even giving a platform to this case..... No doubt this comment too will be deleted. Justice? Commonsense..
  • Score: 5

9:57am Thu 12 Jun 14

mistamina says...

Justice & Press, do you feel your reactionary views are not regarded with any value. 24 X minuses speaks for itself.
And we note you do not want the Police to be accountable to any one.
Good luck with that one.
Justice & Press, do you feel your reactionary views are not regarded with any value. 24 X minuses speaks for itself. And we note you do not want the Police to be accountable to any one. Good luck with that one. mistamina
  • Score: 8

10:13am Fri 13 Jun 14

MunsterX says...

Justice!!! wrote:
WHY DOES BFP ALWAYS LET PEOPLE COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE MOST OTHER ARTICLES YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COMMENT BUT WHENEVER SOMETHING TO DO WITH ASIAN'S OR BLACK COMMUNITY YOU ARE ALLOWED TO COMMENT. AND NOT TO FORGET ITS THE SAME STUPID PEOPLE TO COMMENT OVER AND OVER AGAIN HAHAHA GET A LIFE.
Grow up Justice!

Every article is open for comment on the BFP site except a small number that fulfil certain criteria.
[quote][p][bold]Justice!!![/bold] wrote: WHY DOES BFP ALWAYS LET PEOPLE COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE MOST OTHER ARTICLES YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COMMENT BUT WHENEVER SOMETHING TO DO WITH ASIAN'S OR BLACK COMMUNITY YOU ARE ALLOWED TO COMMENT. AND NOT TO FORGET ITS THE SAME STUPID PEOPLE TO COMMENT OVER AND OVER AGAIN HAHAHA GET A LIFE.[/p][/quote]Grow up Justice! Every article is open for comment on the BFP site except a small number that fulfil certain criteria. MunsterX
  • Score: 10

12:24pm Fri 13 Jun 14

mistamina says...

MunsterX wrote:
Justice!!! wrote:
WHY DOES BFP ALWAYS LET PEOPLE COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE MOST OTHER ARTICLES YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COMMENT BUT WHENEVER SOMETHING TO DO WITH ASIAN'S OR BLACK COMMUNITY YOU ARE ALLOWED TO COMMENT. AND NOT TO FORGET ITS THE SAME STUPID PEOPLE TO COMMENT OVER AND OVER AGAIN HAHAHA GET A LIFE.
Grow up Justice!

Every article is open for comment on the BFP site except a small number that fulfil certain criteria.
Agree. i have seen very little censorship from the BFP.

PS. Consequently, learnt a lot form blogs.
[quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Justice!!![/bold] wrote: WHY DOES BFP ALWAYS LET PEOPLE COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE MOST OTHER ARTICLES YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COMMENT BUT WHENEVER SOMETHING TO DO WITH ASIAN'S OR BLACK COMMUNITY YOU ARE ALLOWED TO COMMENT. AND NOT TO FORGET ITS THE SAME STUPID PEOPLE TO COMMENT OVER AND OVER AGAIN HAHAHA GET A LIFE.[/p][/quote]Grow up Justice! Every article is open for comment on the BFP site except a small number that fulfil certain criteria.[/p][/quote]Agree. i have seen very little censorship from the BFP. PS. Consequently, learnt a lot form blogs. mistamina
  • Score: 5

1:04pm Fri 13 Jun 14

everestman says...

It doesn't matter if the guy is black, white, Asian or Chinese. Race should have nothing to do with it. He choked on a piece of crack when caught by the police. His actions alone are responsible for the loss to his family. The police involved probably got kicked out for doing their job.
It doesn't matter if the guy is black, white, Asian or Chinese. Race should have nothing to do with it. He choked on a piece of crack when caught by the police. His actions alone are responsible for the loss to his family. The police involved probably got kicked out for doing their job. everestman
  • Score: 31

3:51pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Justice? Commonsense.. says...

everestman wrote:
It doesn't matter if the guy is black, white, Asian or Chinese. Race should have nothing to do with it. He choked on a piece of crack when caught by the police. His actions alone are responsible for the loss to his family. The police involved probably got kicked out for doing their job.
Totally my point too............. before my post was removed.........
And the fact that the police still have potential action hanging over them - apparently anyway - crazy! and certainly not double standards!
[quote][p][bold]everestman[/bold] wrote: It doesn't matter if the guy is black, white, Asian or Chinese. Race should have nothing to do with it. He choked on a piece of crack when caught by the police. His actions alone are responsible for the loss to his family. The police involved probably got kicked out for doing their job.[/p][/quote]Totally my point too............. before my post was removed......... And the fact that the police still have potential action hanging over them - apparently anyway - crazy! and certainly not double standards! Justice? Commonsense..
  • Score: 22

10:18am Sat 14 Jun 14

mistamina says...

everestman wrote:
It doesn't matter if the guy is black, white, Asian or Chinese. Race should have nothing to do with it. He choked on a piece of crack when caught by the police. His actions alone are responsible for the loss to his family. The police involved probably got kicked out for doing their job.
''He choked on a piece of crack''. How big are these things?
[quote][p][bold]everestman[/bold] wrote: It doesn't matter if the guy is black, white, Asian or Chinese. Race should have nothing to do with it. He choked on a piece of crack when caught by the police. His actions alone are responsible for the loss to his family. The police involved probably got kicked out for doing their job.[/p][/quote]''He choked on a piece of crack''. How big are these things? mistamina
  • Score: -6

12:04pm Sat 14 Jun 14

Edgar Brooks says...

mistamina wrote:
everestman wrote:
It doesn't matter if the guy is black, white, Asian or Chinese. Race should have nothing to do with it. He choked on a piece of crack when caught by the police. His actions alone are responsible for the loss to his family. The police involved probably got kicked out for doing their job.
''He choked on a piece of crack''. How big are these things?
If you actually read the article, he tried to swallow "a package," not just a "piece of crack," and trying to stop him might, in other circumstances, have been a potential life-saver. If a "package" of drugs leaks, or bursts, while in the stomach, you're likely to suffer a particularly agonising death, and, if it doesn't, it will reappear, and some member of the police force will have the charming job of retrieving it, cleaning it, then sending it for analysis.
[quote][p][bold]mistamina[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]everestman[/bold] wrote: It doesn't matter if the guy is black, white, Asian or Chinese. Race should have nothing to do with it. He choked on a piece of crack when caught by the police. His actions alone are responsible for the loss to his family. The police involved probably got kicked out for doing their job.[/p][/quote]''He choked on a piece of crack''. How big are these things?[/p][/quote]If you actually read the article, he tried to swallow "a package," not just a "piece of crack," and trying to stop him might, in other circumstances, have been a potential life-saver. If a "package" of drugs leaks, or bursts, while in the stomach, you're likely to suffer a particularly agonising death, and, if it doesn't, it will reappear, and some member of the police force will have the charming job of retrieving it, cleaning it, then sending it for analysis. Edgar Brooks
  • Score: 15

5:31pm Sat 14 Jun 14

mistamina says...

Edgar Brooks wrote:
mistamina wrote:
everestman wrote:
It doesn't matter if the guy is black, white, Asian or Chinese. Race should have nothing to do with it. He choked on a piece of crack when caught by the police. His actions alone are responsible for the loss to his family. The police involved probably got kicked out for doing their job.
''He choked on a piece of crack''. How big are these things?
If you actually read the article, he tried to swallow "a package," not just a "piece of crack," and trying to stop him might, in other circumstances, have been a potential life-saver. If a "package" of drugs leaks, or bursts, while in the stomach, you're likely to suffer a particularly agonising death, and, if it doesn't, it will reappear, and some member of the police force will have the charming job of retrieving it, cleaning it, then sending it for analysis.
Ah, the introduction of Poo. look, we have all been parents, carers and had pets, handling poo is no big deal!
I am fascinated by the size of crack, package, whatever. How big was it to make a 39 year old choke enough to bring on an an acute cardiac event.
[quote][p][bold]Edgar Brooks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mistamina[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]everestman[/bold] wrote: It doesn't matter if the guy is black, white, Asian or Chinese. Race should have nothing to do with it. He choked on a piece of crack when caught by the police. His actions alone are responsible for the loss to his family. The police involved probably got kicked out for doing their job.[/p][/quote]''He choked on a piece of crack''. How big are these things?[/p][/quote]If you actually read the article, he tried to swallow "a package," not just a "piece of crack," and trying to stop him might, in other circumstances, have been a potential life-saver. If a "package" of drugs leaks, or bursts, while in the stomach, you're likely to suffer a particularly agonising death, and, if it doesn't, it will reappear, and some member of the police force will have the charming job of retrieving it, cleaning it, then sending it for analysis.[/p][/quote]Ah, the introduction of Poo. look, we have all been parents, carers and had pets, handling poo is no big deal! I am fascinated by the size of crack, package, whatever. How big was it to make a 39 year old choke enough to bring on an an acute cardiac event. mistamina
  • Score: -8

10:51pm Sun 15 Jun 14

DocD says...

I attended the inquest and have read the reports on the IPCC website. It was a small wrap of crack but the issue of drugs is not pivotal to this tragic case it's about the actions of the police hence the lengthy investigation and reinvestigation by the IPCC. The case has now been referred to the CPS which shows that there is considerable concern about possible police malpractice. A criminal trial or a new inquest which are the two options ahead for the family will decide how Habib died and the level of police culpability and NOT conjecture and the biased hateful views of the majority of people who have commented on this.
I attended the inquest and have read the reports on the IPCC website. It was a small wrap of crack but the issue of drugs is not pivotal to this tragic case it's about the actions of the police hence the lengthy investigation and reinvestigation by the IPCC. The case has now been referred to the CPS which shows that there is considerable concern about possible police malpractice. A criminal trial or a new inquest which are the two options ahead for the family will decide how Habib died and the level of police culpability and NOT conjecture and the biased hateful views of the majority of people who have commented on this. DocD
  • Score: -11

3:21pm Mon 16 Jun 14

iworld says...

I think Justice will be given to the of Habib Ullah. We must not get carried away with what he had inside him - its the tragedy of his death which was avoidable is the problem. None the less - let justice take its course and understand the plight of Habib's family and the justice they are seeking
I think Justice will be given to the of Habib Ullah. We must not get carried away with what he had inside him - its the tragedy of his death which was avoidable is the problem. None the less - let justice take its course and understand the plight of Habib's family and the justice they are seeking iworld
  • Score: -12

3:42pm Mon 16 Jun 14

iworld says...

I think haters will be haters when they comment on this article and let their emotions get carried away. The BFP are trying to show respect and sensitivity here.
I think haters will be haters when they comment on this article and let their emotions get carried away. The BFP are trying to show respect and sensitivity here. iworld
  • Score: -12

10:38am Tue 17 Jun 14

mistamina says...

DocD & iworld,
Thank you for for your knowledgeable insight and clarity. Good to be assured we have Social Justice in Bucks.
Really sorry to see continuing blind hatred and insensitivity.

PS. I agree, BFP does show respect and sensitivity here. And their blogs do inform.
DocD & iworld, Thank you for for your knowledgeable insight and clarity. Good to be assured we have Social Justice in Bucks. Really sorry to see continuing blind hatred and insensitivity. PS. I agree, BFP does show respect and sensitivity here. And their blogs do inform. mistamina
  • Score: -7

10:12am Sun 22 Jun 14

Wycombeboi says...

This man "paps" was a drug dealer , let us not forget that. His dealings will have brought untold misery to individuals and families alike.

I would like to see these kind of undesirables what ever colour or creed shuffle off or "pap" off of this mortal coil.
This man "paps" was a drug dealer , let us not forget that. His dealings will have brought untold misery to individuals and families alike. I would like to see these kind of undesirables what ever colour or creed shuffle off or "pap" off of this mortal coil. Wycombeboi
  • Score: 10

9:02am Tue 24 Jun 14

mistamina says...

Wycombeboi wrote:
This man "paps" was a drug dealer , let us not forget that. His dealings will have brought untold misery to individuals and families alike.

I would like to see these kind of undesirables what ever colour or creed shuffle off or "pap" off of this mortal coil.
Lazy and very dangerous views.
If we want to live in a stable state, where people with power must be held accountable to us.
[quote][p][bold]Wycombeboi[/bold] wrote: This man "paps" was a drug dealer , let us not forget that. His dealings will have brought untold misery to individuals and families alike. I would like to see these kind of undesirables what ever colour or creed shuffle off or "pap" off of this mortal coil.[/p][/quote]Lazy and very dangerous views. If we want to live in a stable state, where people with power must be held accountable to us. mistamina
  • Score: -6

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