Angry residents protest over possible new M40 junction

Angry protestors say 'No Way Junction 3A'

Angry protestors gather over possible new motorway junction

Angry protestors gather over possible new motorway junction

Angry protestors gather over possible new motorway junction

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ANGRY protestors gathered by playing fields in Wycombe yesterday amid fears the very spot could be bulldozed to make way for a motorway access road.

Over 30 worried Kingsmead residents turned out for a show of defiance at the potential for a new M40 motorway junction near Flackwell Heath.

Under the early plans, drafted by council contractor Jacobs, a new junction '3A' near Spring Lane would also require an access road linking to the A40 London Road, joining at the junction for Gomm Road.

And led by Wycombe District Councillor Trevor Snaith, residents came out in force to protest at the idea, which could see houses demolished on Kingsmead Road.

Cllr Snaith said: “The access road will go straight through some bungalows and all the netball courts will disappear.

“The problem is it will cause more congestion in this part of town, it’s snarled up enough at rush hour as it is.

“It (the road) was kept rather quiet, but one of the residents here drilled down into it the details a bit further.

“The situation as it stands is (county council chief Martin) Tett thinks it’s a good idea. This is the man who says not to HS2 but is happy to dump this on Wycombe like usual.

“There’s no investment down at junction 3 in Loudwater, that’s a bit of a desert so they should spend money down there rather than pushing this through here.

“They do not think about how many lives that will destroy down here.”

Cllr Snaith addressed the crowd, telling them in the same way they won the fight against the closure of the Holywell Mead lido, they would do the same again with junction 3A.

And residents signed the 'No Way Junction 3A' petition that has now been started. 

The protest was sparked after comments from Bucks Council Council leader Martin Tett, who publicly backed the junction idea put forward in a new report into growth in the county.

And WDC’s Local Plan consultation, which collected feedback about where to build new homes and infrastructure, floated the junction as a possible way to attract housing and jobs.

But residents along the path of the possible access road are up in arms about the possibility of having to move out of their homes.

One elderly resident, who didn’t want to be named, said she was shocked to find out her home was on the list to be demolished if the scheme goes ahead.

She said: “I’m so upset this road might come down here. I only heard about it when I read it in the Bucks Free Press.

“I scoured round but it was difficult to find the report by Jacobs, but on page 8 I found a picture of the back of my bungalow.

“I was so shocked to see read it said next to it ‘Compulsory Purchase Order’, so I wrote to the head of planning but I haven’t had a reply yet.”

An access road would cross Kingsmead Road and the west side of Kingsmead park, taking out the car park and the Kingsmead Netball Centre in the process.

As reported in the BFP, Flackwell Heath residents are also worried about the extra traffic from any new junction.

And staff at Cobbles Farm, a successful equestrian centre near Spring Lane, are protesting against losing their farm to the new development.

Robert Price, whose bungalow lies in the path of the mooted access road, said the area cannot handle any more traffic.

He said: “It is already turning into a rat run and it will be even worse if we had a motorway access road. The infrastructure isn’t there for another major road.

“I’ve lived here for 36 years, the nippers have grown up here. For me, it’s the way it’s been handled, no one knows enough about it.

“People round here are complaining they’ve not heard about it, a lot of people didn’t get the leaflets the council sent for the Local Plan.”

Wycombe District Council insists nothing has been decided with the junction as the Local Plan is still at a very early stage.

Spokesman Sue Robinson said: “We are still working through the responses we have received from the consultation - over 300 written responses were specifically about Junction 3a.

“We are still at a very early stage which involves looking at a range of options which may or may not be progressed further.

“Any options around the motorway would involve much more detailed work. No decisions have been made and it is not a decision which we as a local council can make on our own.”

Residents in the area have reportedly been leafleted about attending a ‘Stakeholder meeting’ next week regarding the proposed junction.

However, WDC have made clear the meeting will not discuss specific issues and is simply a market research presentation on more general issues surrounding the plan.

Ms Robinson added: “Next week there will be a stakeholder meeting is to give general feedback on the Local Plan consultation, including a presentation from Qa who did an independent  market research study on the Local Plan options for us. 

“We will not be discussing specific issues such as Green Belt Review and Junction 3a.   Discussions on these issues will form part of the next phase of work on the Local Plan.”

For a project of this size to get the green light, it would need to find approval within WDC, Bucks County Council and central Government and receive significant capital funding.

Would you support the proposed new junction? Vote in our online poll (closes Thursday, 9am).

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6:52am Mon 7 Jul 14

retchub says...

i have sympathy for you and admire your stand, but like HS2 this has already been decided and settled before we hear of it 11
i have sympathy for you and admire your stand, but like HS2 this has already been decided and settled before we hear of it 11 retchub
  • Score: 18

7:12am Mon 7 Jul 14

Carmadchris says...

Come on Bucks free press, your telling locals about a petition but not where to add their name to it
Come on Bucks free press, your telling locals about a petition but not where to add their name to it Carmadchris
  • Score: 2

7:27am Mon 7 Jul 14

Possum1 says...

I'm lost as to why we need another motorway junction anyway, both jct 3 and 4 are easily accessible. It perhaps would be helpful if jct 3 joined the North bound carriageway so if they built around the existing jct that would make sense.
I'm lost as to why we need another motorway junction anyway, both jct 3 and 4 are easily accessible. It perhaps would be helpful if jct 3 joined the North bound carriageway so if they built around the existing jct that would make sense. Possum1
  • Score: 10

10:01am Mon 7 Jul 14

Kania 2000 says...

It's part of a bigger plan look at the second phase of development along Heath End Road and route along Abby Barn Lane to by pass the centre of Wycombe.
It's part of a bigger plan look at the second phase of development along Heath End Road and route along Abby Barn Lane to by pass the centre of Wycombe. Kania 2000
  • Score: 5

10:19am Mon 7 Jul 14

aaaali says...

Jct 3A does need entry/exit in both directions to make the junction useful. It is also needed to ease congestion of Handy Cross, the A4010 and the A404. It was always inevitable when M/ways started to change from 2-3 and 3-4 lanes. NIMBY springs to mind. Happy enough to have Tesco, Homebase etc but don't want to ease delivery costs.
Jct 3A does need entry/exit in both directions to make the junction useful. It is also needed to ease congestion of Handy Cross, the A4010 and the A404. It was always inevitable when M/ways started to change from 2-3 and 3-4 lanes. NIMBY springs to mind. Happy enough to have Tesco, Homebase etc but don't want to ease delivery costs. aaaali
  • Score: -16

11:29am Mon 7 Jul 14

Kplustwo says...

aaaali I'm assuming you don't live in the area that will be affected. It's not just a case of putting in a slip road and that's it, a new junction... an established business is at risk of a compulsory purchase order as well as a lot of homes. It will mean the loss of the netball courts and the children's playground at a time when we should be encouraging people, especially the younger generation to be more active. A local school will see even more traffic pass by and the roads/junctions around the area are not equipped to deal with a significant increase of traffic including delivery lorries. Would you want this in your local area for the sake of lower delivery costs? I seriously doubt it.

For anyone looking to sign the petition there is one here http://epetitions.di
rect.gov.uk/petition
s/63890

As for the protest, I would like to have been there but didn't know anything about it. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
aaaali I'm assuming you don't live in the area that will be affected. It's not just a case of putting in a slip road and that's it, a new junction... an established business is at risk of a compulsory purchase order as well as a lot of homes. It will mean the loss of the netball courts and the children's playground at a time when we should be encouraging people, especially the younger generation to be more active. A local school will see even more traffic pass by and the roads/junctions around the area are not equipped to deal with a significant increase of traffic including delivery lorries. Would you want this in your local area for the sake of lower delivery costs? I seriously doubt it. For anyone looking to sign the petition there is one here http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/63890 As for the protest, I would like to have been there but didn't know anything about it. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Kplustwo
  • Score: 15

12:55pm Mon 7 Jul 14

frackellgirl says...

aaaali wrote:
Jct 3A does need entry/exit in both directions to make the junction useful. It is also needed to ease congestion of Handy Cross, the A4010 and the A404. It was always inevitable when M/ways started to change from 2-3 and 3-4 lanes. NIMBY springs to mind. Happy enough to have Tesco, Homebase etc but don't want to ease delivery costs.
Wondered how long it would be before someone mentioned the 'n' word. Just as racist was used as an insult to prevent any form of reasonable discussion regarding the amount of immigration , legal and illegal, into this country "nimby" is now used to try and suppress people's natural concerns over proposals which may deprive them of their homes or cause a lowering of their quality of life.
The vast majority of people who buy their own homes have worked hard and gone without to save the deposit., take out a mortgage and be responsible for the upkeep of their properties. Many will be looking to downsize on retirement to supplement pensions decimated by the actions of previous governments.
To find out, from plans put forward, that your property could be demolished or greatly devalued would be a shock to anyone..
We have the ridiculous planning rules in this country where, to protest about proposed schemes, people have to pretend to be concerned about bats, newts, slow worms etc. but are not allowed to protest about the effect that these schemes, including major road construction , HS2 and travellers' sites, will have on existing residents regarding devaluation of properties and quality of life.
If people are prepared to work hard to buy their own homes their concerns should surely be taken seriously?
[quote][p][bold]aaaali[/bold] wrote: Jct 3A does need entry/exit in both directions to make the junction useful. It is also needed to ease congestion of Handy Cross, the A4010 and the A404. It was always inevitable when M/ways started to change from 2-3 and 3-4 lanes. NIMBY springs to mind. Happy enough to have Tesco, Homebase etc but don't want to ease delivery costs.[/p][/quote]Wondered how long it would be before someone mentioned the 'n' word. Just as racist was used as an insult to prevent any form of reasonable discussion regarding the amount of immigration , legal and illegal, into this country "nimby" is now used to try and suppress people's natural concerns over proposals which may deprive them of their homes or cause a lowering of their quality of life. The vast majority of people who buy their own homes have worked hard and gone without to save the deposit., take out a mortgage and be responsible for the upkeep of their properties. Many will be looking to downsize on retirement to supplement pensions decimated by the actions of previous governments. To find out, from plans put forward, that your property could be demolished or greatly devalued would be a shock to anyone.. We have the ridiculous planning rules in this country where, to protest about proposed schemes, people have to pretend to be concerned about bats, newts, slow worms etc. but are not allowed to protest about the effect that these schemes, including major road construction , HS2 and travellers' sites, will have on existing residents regarding devaluation of properties and quality of life. If people are prepared to work hard to buy their own homes their concerns should surely be taken seriously? frackellgirl
  • Score: 22

1:16pm Mon 7 Jul 14

frackellgirl says...

retchub wrote:
i have sympathy for you and admire your stand, but like HS2 this has already been decided and settled before we hear of it 11
And I'm sure that the vast sums that the Planning authorities can claim from the developers for Infrastructure contributions will have no bearing on their decision.
[quote][p][bold]retchub[/bold] wrote: i have sympathy for you and admire your stand, but like HS2 this has already been decided and settled before we hear of it 11[/p][/quote]And I'm sure that the vast sums that the Planning authorities can claim from the developers for Infrastructure contributions will have no bearing on their decision. frackellgirl
  • Score: 12

2:45pm Mon 7 Jul 14

JOHNHEALY says...

3A is a done deal as is HS2 and protestors should not waste their breath on campaigning where they cannot win.
3A is a done deal as is HS2 and protestors should not waste their breath on campaigning where they cannot win. JOHNHEALY
  • Score: -9

4:17pm Mon 7 Jul 14

inthesaddle says...

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  • Score: -5

5:00pm Mon 7 Jul 14

mother henpeck says...

ITS A GREAT IDEAR!!!!!! WHEN THEY START FRACKING IN BUCKS IT WILL MAKE LIFE BETTER FOR PEOPLE LIVING HERE
ITS A GREAT IDEAR!!!!!! WHEN THEY START FRACKING IN BUCKS IT WILL MAKE LIFE BETTER FOR PEOPLE LIVING HERE mother henpeck
  • Score: -9

6:20pm Mon 7 Jul 14

des2691 says...

There is no reason to build junction 3A.
The better option would be to change the existing (south only) juction 3 so that it also could go north.
There is no reason to build junction 3A. The better option would be to change the existing (south only) juction 3 so that it also could go north. des2691
  • Score: 19

10:46pm Mon 7 Jul 14

sexysox says...

what a waste of money, why dont they ask the people of wycombe what they want? I didn't know about the protest if I had I would've went, maybe another one can be organised with more publicity i.e. BFP, facebook, flyers etc.
what a waste of money, why dont they ask the people of wycombe what they want? I didn't know about the protest if I had I would've went, maybe another one can be organised with more publicity i.e. BFP, facebook, flyers etc. sexysox
  • Score: 3

11:07pm Mon 7 Jul 14

chapmani says...

Looking forward to the new junction. Wycombe has out grown its existing road infrastructure and new routes need opening up. Abbey Barn is already a major route albeit a dangerous one at present , perhaps use this instead of Spring Lane. Back lane could also be opened up over the ford for a parallel route into town. Things move on, look back at old pictures of Wycombe like Marlow Hill, Turn Pike, Terriers, superb country lanes, but they had to be lost for the good of the town.
Looking forward to the new junction. Wycombe has out grown its existing road infrastructure and new routes need opening up. Abbey Barn is already a major route albeit a dangerous one at present , perhaps use this instead of Spring Lane. Back lane could also be opened up over the ford for a parallel route into town. Things move on, look back at old pictures of Wycombe like Marlow Hill, Turn Pike, Terriers, superb country lanes, but they had to be lost for the good of the town. chapmani
  • Score: -16

9:20am Tue 8 Jul 14

X3SGR says...

frackellgirl wrote:
aaaali wrote:
Jct 3A does need entry/exit in both directions to make the junction useful. It is also needed to ease congestion of Handy Cross, the A4010 and the A404. It was always inevitable when M/ways started to change from 2-3 and 3-4 lanes. NIMBY springs to mind. Happy enough to have Tesco, Homebase etc but don't want to ease delivery costs.
Wondered how long it would be before someone mentioned the 'n' word. Just as racist was used as an insult to prevent any form of reasonable discussion regarding the amount of immigration , legal and illegal, into this country "nimby" is now used to try and suppress people's natural concerns over proposals which may deprive them of their homes or cause a lowering of their quality of life.
The vast majority of people who buy their own homes have worked hard and gone without to save the deposit., take out a mortgage and be responsible for the upkeep of their properties. Many will be looking to downsize on retirement to supplement pensions decimated by the actions of previous governments.
To find out, from plans put forward, that your property could be demolished or greatly devalued would be a shock to anyone..
We have the ridiculous planning rules in this country where, to protest about proposed schemes, people have to pretend to be concerned about bats, newts, slow worms etc. but are not allowed to protest about the effect that these schemes, including major road construction , HS2 and travellers' sites, will have on existing residents regarding devaluation of properties and quality of life.
If people are prepared to work hard to buy their own homes their concerns should surely be taken seriously?
Racist I mean really!!!! can see you have never been a target of racist abuse if so you would not put the word in your comment as a way to describe "nimby" . aaaali comment is on the money I say.
[quote][p][bold]frackellgirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aaaali[/bold] wrote: Jct 3A does need entry/exit in both directions to make the junction useful. It is also needed to ease congestion of Handy Cross, the A4010 and the A404. It was always inevitable when M/ways started to change from 2-3 and 3-4 lanes. NIMBY springs to mind. Happy enough to have Tesco, Homebase etc but don't want to ease delivery costs.[/p][/quote]Wondered how long it would be before someone mentioned the 'n' word. Just as racist was used as an insult to prevent any form of reasonable discussion regarding the amount of immigration , legal and illegal, into this country "nimby" is now used to try and suppress people's natural concerns over proposals which may deprive them of their homes or cause a lowering of their quality of life. The vast majority of people who buy their own homes have worked hard and gone without to save the deposit., take out a mortgage and be responsible for the upkeep of their properties. Many will be looking to downsize on retirement to supplement pensions decimated by the actions of previous governments. To find out, from plans put forward, that your property could be demolished or greatly devalued would be a shock to anyone.. We have the ridiculous planning rules in this country where, to protest about proposed schemes, people have to pretend to be concerned about bats, newts, slow worms etc. but are not allowed to protest about the effect that these schemes, including major road construction , HS2 and travellers' sites, will have on existing residents regarding devaluation of properties and quality of life. If people are prepared to work hard to buy their own homes their concerns should surely be taken seriously?[/p][/quote]Racist I mean really!!!! can see you have never been a target of racist abuse if so you would not put the word in your comment as a way to describe "nimby" . aaaali comment is on the money I say. X3SGR
  • Score: -14

9:31am Tue 8 Jul 14

esilvester says...

As someone who lives on the London road by the Rye, I stand to gain from this in reduced traffic past my house. But, I'm not in favour of this plan. There are more things to a community than it's access roads and that's what needs investment. I can see this opening up the wider area to more cars and potentially creating problems elsewhere. Expansion to cars normally leads to more expansion to cars and we need to stop doing that before we become another Slough.
As someone who lives on the London road by the Rye, I stand to gain from this in reduced traffic past my house. But, I'm not in favour of this plan. There are more things to a community than it's access roads and that's what needs investment. I can see this opening up the wider area to more cars and potentially creating problems elsewhere. Expansion to cars normally leads to more expansion to cars and we need to stop doing that before we become another Slough. esilvester
  • Score: 18

11:09am Tue 8 Jul 14

faircuppa says...

Libs low in polls? Bring out the ex-mayor for a bit of tub thumping? Answers on a postcard to Clegge!
Libs low in polls? Bring out the ex-mayor for a bit of tub thumping? Answers on a postcard to Clegge! faircuppa
  • Score: -14

11:38am Tue 8 Jul 14

DawesJack says...

Yes, there are a good cluster of dem Libs there, but is Mayor and Mayoress surely? Is it election time again? or are they unemployed now?
The reality is that there are potential sites all over Wycombe identified but nothing will happen again till 2017, there is plenty of time to negotiate proposals away. Best thing is to snuck up to Tory MPs Grieve and Baker as they are certainly up for re-election at the next General Election having voted themselves a 5th year in powwer.
A tunnel would be better like the sewage one to Marlow, maybe that could be widened. Phew.
Yes, there are a good cluster of dem Libs there, but is Mayor and Mayoress surely? Is it election time again? or are they unemployed now? The reality is that there are potential sites all over Wycombe identified but nothing will happen again till 2017, there is plenty of time to negotiate proposals away. Best thing is to snuck up to Tory MPs Grieve and Baker as they are certainly up for re-election at the next General Election having voted themselves a 5th year in powwer. A tunnel would be better like the sewage one to Marlow, maybe that could be widened. Phew. DawesJack
  • Score: -10

12:45pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Bodger1966 says...

faircuppa wrote:
Libs low in polls? Bring out the ex-mayor for a bit of tub thumping? Answers on a postcard to Clegge!
Yes I think a more accurate headline would be "save the Wycombe Lib Dems campaign launched"!

Cobbles Farm people have got a perfectly good petition going but Lib Dems want their own so they can get the glory.
[quote][p][bold]faircuppa[/bold] wrote: Libs low in polls? Bring out the ex-mayor for a bit of tub thumping? Answers on a postcard to Clegge![/p][/quote]Yes I think a more accurate headline would be "save the Wycombe Lib Dems campaign launched"! Cobbles Farm people have got a perfectly good petition going but Lib Dems want their own so they can get the glory. Bodger1966
  • Score: -8

1:12pm Tue 8 Jul 14

DawesJack says...

Bodger1966 wrote:
faircuppa wrote: Libs low in polls? Bring out the ex-mayor for a bit of tub thumping? Answers on a postcard to Clegge!
Yes I think a more accurate headline would be "save the Wycombe Lib Dems campaign launched"! Cobbles Farm people have got a perfectly good petition going but Lib Dems want their own so they can get the glory.
I think that is a little unfair Badger, after all the Yellows have had a horrible run of luck with Rennard, Smith and the like. What better way to rehabilitate themselves by attaching themselves to decent residents who do not want a concrete highway blighting their neighbourhood? There will be no glory because their party is in Government so they will be expected to get Ministers to scrap the plan. Should one sign one or the other petition or both do you think?
[quote][p][bold]Bodger1966[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]faircuppa[/bold] wrote: Libs low in polls? Bring out the ex-mayor for a bit of tub thumping? Answers on a postcard to Clegge![/p][/quote]Yes I think a more accurate headline would be "save the Wycombe Lib Dems campaign launched"! Cobbles Farm people have got a perfectly good petition going but Lib Dems want their own so they can get the glory.[/p][/quote]I think that is a little unfair Badger, after all the Yellows have had a horrible run of luck with Rennard, Smith and the like. What better way to rehabilitate themselves by attaching themselves to decent residents who do not want a concrete highway blighting their neighbourhood? There will be no glory because their party is in Government so they will be expected to get Ministers to scrap the plan. Should one sign one or the other petition or both do you think? DawesJack
  • Score: -5

1:27pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Helen J says...

I would support a positive campaign for a new gateway to Wycombe East at M40 Loudwater.
I would support a positive campaign for a new gateway to Wycombe East at M40 Loudwater. Helen J
  • Score: 16

6:24pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Agniesca says...

As we continue to build houses we will end up with more cars, thus we need more road capacity. Much of Wycombe's roads are over capacity, so the choice is stop building houses or start building more roads. Both options are less than attractive, but building fewer houses preserves the character of our town and our quality of life, but incurs significant financial penalties.
As we continue to build houses we will end up with more cars, thus we need more road capacity. Much of Wycombe's roads are over capacity, so the choice is stop building houses or start building more roads. Both options are less than attractive, but building fewer houses preserves the character of our town and our quality of life, but incurs significant financial penalties. Agniesca
  • Score: 6

1:42am Wed 9 Jul 14

JOHNHEALY says...

Building Junction 3A will provide work opportunities and a potentially exciting extra aspect to High Wycombe.
Building Junction 3A will provide work opportunities and a potentially exciting extra aspect to High Wycombe. JOHNHEALY
  • Score: -12

2:38am Wed 9 Jul 14

DawesJack says...

But so would a theme park or a suspension bridge, if it is job creation we are after then if we knew the dosh available we could do an option apparaisal
But so would a theme park or a suspension bridge, if it is job creation we are after then if we knew the dosh available we could do an option apparaisal DawesJack
  • Score: 11

4:25pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Ten Years Gone says...

JOHNHEALY wrote:
Building Junction 3A will provide work opportunities and a potentially exciting extra aspect to High Wycombe.
Exciting? I take it you are being ironic!
[quote][p][bold]JOHNHEALY[/bold] wrote: Building Junction 3A will provide work opportunities and a potentially exciting extra aspect to High Wycombe.[/p][/quote]Exciting? I take it you are being ironic! Ten Years Gone
  • Score: 0

6:55pm Fri 11 Jul 14

DawesJack says...

Wycombe lacks a special project as Handy x is only a rebuild, but I don't think it should be a road junction! That will merely add weight to the next edition of 'Crap Towns'
Wycombe lacks a special project as Handy x is only a rebuild, but I don't think it should be a road junction! That will merely add weight to the next edition of 'Crap Towns' DawesJack
  • Score: 4

11:27pm Wed 16 Jul 14

sexysox says...

Rather than go ahead with a project that only a few people want cant the millions of pounds it would cost be redirected to getting back the A&E department at Wycombe hospital. this would serve more people to the greater good!
Rather than go ahead with a project that only a few people want cant the millions of pounds it would cost be redirected to getting back the A&E department at Wycombe hospital. this would serve more people to the greater good! sexysox
  • Score: 0

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