Headteacher would be 'surprised' if school transport plan goes ahead

Stephen Noakes (left) with Wycombe High's headteacher Sharon Cromie and RGS headmaster Roy Page

Stephen Noakes (left) with Wycombe High's headteacher Sharon Cromie and RGS headmaster Roy Page

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A HEADMASTER says he would be “very surprised” if a council ploughed ahead with plans to amalgamate bus transport for three Wycombe schools.

Buckinghamshire County Council’s Cabinet Member for Education Cllr Mike Appleyard met with the headteachers of Wycombe High, John Hampden Grammar School and the Royal Grammar School.

They held talks over the county’s plan to save money by axing the schools’ individual bus transport routes and replacing them with 18 double-decker buses that would serve all three schools.

The headteachers called the plans “farcical and dangerous” and slammed BCC for failing to consult the schools or parents – forcing Cllr Appleyard to defer the contentious proposals until the New Year.

John Hampden headmaster Stephen Noakes revealed he would be “very surprised” if the council forged ahead with the original proposals.

He said: “We’ve had two meetings, one with the council and the other with the contractor, and they listened and took away our concerns.

“We will meet again next term and comment on the programme they are working on and, while the world of politics changes very quickly, I would be very surprised [if the proposals remain the same].”

Cllr Appleyard said phase one of the plan would still be introduced in September but the bus routes for the three Wycombe schools, as well as St Michael’s, would remain the same until at least January.

He said: “We are still in discussion and are working through a plan to make progress with changes that I need to make in order for my budget to balance so that I am able to maintain the school bus service.

"While these discussions take place I have decided to continue to deliver school transport services to the four schools on essentially the same basis as is currently the case, in two phases.

"Phase one will be introduced for the start of the Autumn Term.

"The routes will largely remain the same and we will aim to meet a similar level of demand for discretionary travel, as well as meeting the requirement for those eligible for free transport.

“Although it is possible the operators and specific vehicles may change, you can expect the services to be similar to those currently in place.

"Phase two is projected to begin in January 2015. I will be holding public meetings at the schools and answering parents’ questions then.”

County Hall wants to save £5m over four years from school transport.

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6:14pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Cllr Appleyard said phase one of the plan would still be introduced in September but ... Phase two is projected to begin in January 2015. I will be holding public meetings at the schools and answering parents’ questions then.

There you have it then - Mike and a public meeting to establish what everyone wants - the matter is solved really.

(See comments on:

http://www.bucksfree
press.co.uk/educatio
n/news/11216538.Buck
s_school_transport_f
ees_to_rise_almost_5
0_percent/)

Why not let the 'independent academies' arrange their own transport - pupils are largely from well-off backrounds so mum and dad could pay for it in these 'independent' academies.
[italic] Cllr Appleyard said phase one of the plan would still be introduced in September but ... Phase two is projected to begin in January 2015. I will be holding public meetings at the schools and answering parents’ questions then. [/italic] There you have it then - Mike and a public meeting to establish what everyone wants - the matter is solved really. (See comments on: http://www.bucksfree press.co.uk/educatio n/news/11216538.Buck s_school_transport_f ees_to_rise_almost_5 0_percent/) Why not let the 'independent academies' arrange their own transport - pupils are largely from well-off backrounds so mum and dad could pay for it in these 'independent' academies. Undercover Euro Yob
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9:55pm Wed 23 Jul 14

MammaTed says...

Transport is not just available for "grammar schools" It is for ALL upper schools including Sir William Ramsay and Beaconsfield School which are not grammars.

How many times do we need to have a consultation? If you are going to ask the question, at least listen to the answer and then take action according to that answer.

All parents want is a fairly priced, safe and efficient transport provision for their children. Parents understand a need to increase prices and when making an increase, inflation and income should be taken into account. I don't know of anyone who has had a 50% pay rise and public transport have not put up their fares up by 50% either.

How does making something cheaper for the provider (BCC have reduced their costs), result in it costing more (fare increase) for the user? A simple recharge of costs plus a reasonable admin charge is all that is required. BCC should be providing this service at the best possible cost for the user.

When January 2015 comes and it is decided that as no-one wants the new service (which is what key people like schools are saying at the moment) will the service remain the same but continue to be charged at £570?
Transport is not just available for "grammar schools" It is for ALL upper schools including Sir William Ramsay and Beaconsfield School which are not grammars. How many times do we need to have a consultation? If you are going to ask the question, at least listen to the answer and then take action according to that answer. All parents want is a fairly priced, safe and efficient transport provision for their children. Parents understand a need to increase prices and when making an increase, inflation and income should be taken into account. I don't know of anyone who has had a 50% pay rise and public transport have not put up their fares up by 50% either. How does making something cheaper for the provider (BCC have reduced their costs), result in it costing more (fare increase) for the user? A simple recharge of costs plus a reasonable admin charge is all that is required. BCC should be providing this service at the best possible cost for the user. When January 2015 comes and it is decided that as no-one wants the new service (which is what key people like schools are saying at the moment) will the service remain the same but continue to be charged at £570? MammaTed
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2:22pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

MammaTed wrote:
Transport is not just available for "grammar schools" It is for ALL upper schools including Sir William Ramsay and Beaconsfield School which are not grammars. How many times do we need to have a consultation? If you are going to ask the question, at least listen to the answer and then take action according to that answer. All parents want is a fairly priced, safe and efficient transport provision for their children. Parents understand a need to increase prices and when making an increase, inflation and income should be taken into account. I don't know of anyone who has had a 50% pay rise and public transport have not put up their fares up by 50% either. How does making something cheaper for the provider (BCC have reduced their costs), result in it costing more (fare increase) for the user? A simple recharge of costs plus a reasonable admin charge is all that is required. BCC should be providing this service at the best possible cost for the user. When January 2015 comes and it is decided that as no-one wants the new service (which is what key people like schools are saying at the moment) will the service remain the same but continue to be charged at £570?
Transport is not just available for "grammar schools" It is for ALL upper schools including Sir William Ramsay and Beaconsfield School which are not grammars.

That’s not what this article is about though – it’s about:

… plans to amalgamate bus transport for three Wycombe schools. Buckinghamshire County Council’s Cabinet Member for Education Cllr Mike Appleyard met with the headteachers of Wycombe High, John Hampden Grammar School and the Royal Grammar School.

(When you think about it this makes a lot of sense - Mike Appleyard is a ‘fan’ of selection and he probably wouldn’t want the psychic energy of grammar school eleven-year-olds, shorted to earth and drained, by contact with 11+ failures sitting near them on a bus.)
[quote][p][bold]MammaTed[/bold] wrote: Transport is not just available for "grammar schools" It is for ALL upper schools including Sir William Ramsay and Beaconsfield School which are not grammars. How many times do we need to have a consultation? If you are going to ask the question, at least listen to the answer and then take action according to that answer. All parents want is a fairly priced, safe and efficient transport provision for their children. Parents understand a need to increase prices and when making an increase, inflation and income should be taken into account. I don't know of anyone who has had a 50% pay rise and public transport have not put up their fares up by 50% either. How does making something cheaper for the provider (BCC have reduced their costs), result in it costing more (fare increase) for the user? A simple recharge of costs plus a reasonable admin charge is all that is required. BCC should be providing this service at the best possible cost for the user. When January 2015 comes and it is decided that as no-one wants the new service (which is what key people like schools are saying at the moment) will the service remain the same but continue to be charged at £570?[/p][/quote][italic]Transport is not just available for "grammar schools" It is for ALL upper schools including Sir William Ramsay and Beaconsfield School which are not grammars. [/italic] That’s not what this article is about though – it’s about: [italic] … plans to amalgamate bus transport for three Wycombe schools. Buckinghamshire County Council’s Cabinet Member for Education Cllr Mike Appleyard met with the headteachers of Wycombe High, John Hampden Grammar School and the Royal Grammar School. [/italic] (When you think about it this makes a lot of sense - Mike Appleyard is a ‘fan’ of selection and he probably wouldn’t want the psychic energy of grammar school eleven-year-olds, shorted to earth and drained, by contact with 11+ failures sitting near them on a bus.) Undercover Euro Yob
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2:29pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

(Apart from that your letter is spot-on.)
(Apart from that your letter is spot-on.) Undercover Euro Yob
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2:37pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

(I can’t help thinking Stephen Noakes is being a bit complacent though saying he would be “very surprised” if BCC were to plough ahead with its plans - just because something is irrational, wasteful, and perhaps impossible, doesn't mean to say Mike Appleyard and the others at BCC Education department won’t force it into action somehow.)
(I can’t help thinking Stephen Noakes is being a bit complacent though saying he would be “very surprised” if BCC were to plough ahead with its plans - just because something is irrational, wasteful, and perhaps impossible, doesn't mean to say Mike Appleyard and the others at BCC Education department won’t force it into action somehow.) Undercover Euro Yob
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2:39pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

That’s what the secondary system in this county is about – putting stupid ideas into practice.
That’s what the secondary system in this county is about – putting stupid ideas into practice. Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 4

2:51pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

MammaTed wrote:
Transport is not just available for "grammar schools" It is for ALL upper schools including Sir William Ramsay and Beaconsfield School which are not grammars. How many times do we need to have a consultation? If you are going to ask the question, at least listen to the answer and then take action according to that answer. All parents want is a fairly priced, safe and efficient transport provision for their children. Parents understand a need to increase prices and when making an increase, inflation and income should be taken into account. I don't know of anyone who has had a 50% pay rise and public transport have not put up their fares up by 50% either. How does making something cheaper for the provider (BCC have reduced their costs), result in it costing more (fare increase) for the user? A simple recharge of costs plus a reasonable admin charge is all that is required. BCC should be providing this service at the best possible cost for the user. When January 2015 comes and it is decided that as no-one wants the new service (which is what key people like schools are saying at the moment) will the service remain the same but continue to be charged at £570?
All parents want is a fairly priced, safe and efficient transport provision for their children. Parents understand a need to increase prices and when making an increase, inflation and income should be taken into account. I don't know of anyone who has had a 50% pay rise and public transport have not put up their fares up by 50% either.

It has been suggested on here before by me and ‘MammaTed’ that parents could get together and do the job of providing school buses much better than BCC does – see:

http://www.bucksfree
press.co.uk/educatio
n/news/11216538.Buck
s_school_transport_f
ees_to_rise_almost_5
0_percent/.
[quote][p][bold]MammaTed[/bold] wrote: Transport is not just available for "grammar schools" It is for ALL upper schools including Sir William Ramsay and Beaconsfield School which are not grammars. How many times do we need to have a consultation? If you are going to ask the question, at least listen to the answer and then take action according to that answer. All parents want is a fairly priced, safe and efficient transport provision for their children. Parents understand a need to increase prices and when making an increase, inflation and income should be taken into account. I don't know of anyone who has had a 50% pay rise and public transport have not put up their fares up by 50% either. How does making something cheaper for the provider (BCC have reduced their costs), result in it costing more (fare increase) for the user? A simple recharge of costs plus a reasonable admin charge is all that is required. BCC should be providing this service at the best possible cost for the user. When January 2015 comes and it is decided that as no-one wants the new service (which is what key people like schools are saying at the moment) will the service remain the same but continue to be charged at £570?[/p][/quote][italic]All parents want is a fairly priced, safe and efficient transport provision for their children. Parents understand a need to increase prices and when making an increase, inflation and income should be taken into account. I don't know of anyone who has had a 50% pay rise and public transport have not put up their fares up by 50% either.[/italic] It has been suggested on here before by me and ‘MammaTed’ that parents could get together and do the job of providing school buses much better than BCC does – see: http://www.bucksfree press.co.uk/educatio n/news/11216538.Buck s_school_transport_f ees_to_rise_almost_5 0_percent/. Undercover Euro Yob
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11:03am Fri 25 Jul 14

ParentsPower says...

The problem is that we could sign up for the service now, only to find that in January they proceed with phase 2 if we agree or not. I have been in contact with Ashwood Travel, they have operated the Royal Grammar School contract for the last 4 years. They are offering a private contract service that will use the existing routes although they will need sufficient interest for the scheme to be practical. More information is available on their website. http://www.ashwoodtr
avel.co.uk/hometosch
ool
The problem is that we could sign up for the service now, only to find that in January they proceed with phase 2 if we agree or not. I have been in contact with Ashwood Travel, they have operated the Royal Grammar School contract for the last 4 years. They are offering a private contract service that will use the existing routes although they will need sufficient interest for the scheme to be practical. More information is available on their website. http://www.ashwoodtr avel.co.uk/hometosch ool ParentsPower
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4:36pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

ParentsPower wrote:
The problem is that we could sign up for the service now, only to find that in January they proceed with phase 2 if we agree or not. I have been in contact with Ashwood Travel, they have operated the Royal Grammar School contract for the last 4 years. They are offering a private contract service that will use the existing routes although they will need sufficient interest for the scheme to be practical. More information is available on their website. http://www.ashwoodtr avel.co.uk/hometosch ool
Are you compelled to make use of the service if the clowns at BCC Education Department go ahead with it in January regardless?

(Other parents do as 'ParentsPower' says: click on the link http://www.ashwoodtr
avel.co.uk/hometosch
ool.)
[quote][p][bold]ParentsPower[/bold] wrote: The problem is that we could sign up for the service now, only to find that in January they proceed with phase 2 if we agree or not. I have been in contact with Ashwood Travel, they have operated the Royal Grammar School contract for the last 4 years. They are offering a private contract service that will use the existing routes although they will need sufficient interest for the scheme to be practical. More information is available on their website. http://www.ashwoodtr avel.co.uk/hometosch ool[/p][/quote]Are you compelled to make use of the service if the clowns at BCC Education Department go ahead with it in January regardless? (Other parents do as 'ParentsPower' says: click on the link http://www.ashwoodtr avel.co.uk/hometosch ool.) Undercover Euro Yob
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5:06pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Go on parents - click on the link!

'ParentsPower' are you compelled to make use of phase two if the clowns at BCC insist on bringing it in regardless, next January?
Go on parents - click on the link! 'ParentsPower' are you compelled to make use of phase two if the clowns at BCC insist on bringing it in regardless, next January? Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 1

5:40pm Fri 25 Jul 14

Kemstad says...

My daughters route has been extended to include flackwell Heath from Sept....so instead of 20 minutes on the bus it will be 50 and it will be tight for her to be in school on time if it is running late.
I think we will end up running her to school every day so increasing the traffic in the area.
A badly thought though proposal. I will certainly be looking into other options going forward. Agree if they are not careful they will end up running a service with nobody on it....but then is that the longer term plan??? One does wonder...
My daughters route has been extended to include flackwell Heath from Sept....so instead of 20 minutes on the bus it will be 50 and it will be tight for her to be in school on time if it is running late. I think we will end up running her to school every day so increasing the traffic in the area. A badly thought though proposal. I will certainly be looking into other options going forward. Agree if they are not careful they will end up running a service with nobody on it....but then is that the longer term plan??? One does wonder... Kemstad
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6:50pm Fri 25 Jul 14

ParentsPower says...

Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
Go on parents - click on the link!

'ParentsPower' are you compelled to make use of phase two if the clowns at BCC insist on bringing it in regardless, next January?
I will not be purchasing either of the Bucks CC transport options, phase 1 or phase 2. I spoke to Tom at Ashwood Travel for today. If they receive enough interest they will be providing an identical service to the one we received this year. My wife is contacting other parents in the area now, fingers crossed.
[quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: Go on parents - click on the link! 'ParentsPower' are you compelled to make use of phase two if the clowns at BCC insist on bringing it in regardless, next January?[/p][/quote]I will not be purchasing either of the Bucks CC transport options, phase 1 or phase 2. I spoke to Tom at Ashwood Travel for today. If they receive enough interest they will be providing an identical service to the one we received this year. My wife is contacting other parents in the area now, fingers crossed. ParentsPower
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6:43pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Why doesn't 'Tom' at Ashwood's quote on here with an email address where he can be contacted?
Why doesn't 'Tom' at Ashwood's quote on here with an email address where he can be contacted? Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 1

6:55pm Sat 26 Jul 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Why IS Mike Appleyard pushing this idicoy?
Why IS Mike Appleyard pushing this idicoy? Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 1

12:25pm Sun 27 Jul 14

mistamina says...

Agree with Yob,
It is all to do with quote ''… the headteachers of Wycombe High, John Hampden Grammar School and the Royal Grammar School.''
in two articles, I have seen no representation from any school where our children that fail the 11+ go.
It is Bucks inequality of selection system that is precipitating this problem. if we did not have selection we would not have to ferry 15% of our children around in 18 double deckers!
Why are we listening to Grammars in the first place, have they not had enough privileges already? Simply because they can get their 'serious' faces into the papers does not mean they can tell us what to do.
Problem would be over if Grammars paid for their privileges. Stop poncing on us.
Agree with Yob, It is all to do with quote ''… the headteachers of Wycombe High, John Hampden Grammar School and the Royal Grammar School.'' in two articles, I have seen no representation from any school where our children that fail the 11+ go. It is Bucks inequality of selection system that is precipitating this problem. if we did not have selection we would not have to ferry 15% of our children around in 18 double deckers! Why are we listening to Grammars in the first place, have they not had enough privileges already? Simply because they can get their 'serious' faces into the papers does not mean they can tell us what to do. Problem would be over if Grammars paid for their privileges. Stop poncing on us. mistamina
  • Score: -1

3:56pm Sun 27 Jul 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
Why IS Mike Appleyard pushing this idicoy?
*idiocy*
[quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: Why IS Mike Appleyard pushing this idicoy?[/p][/quote]*idiocy* Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 2

12:59pm Mon 28 Jul 14

MunsterX says...

A perfect example of the compliant numpty that the Department of Education loves to see at the helm of a school. Somebody to embrace the national curriculum, ignore declining academic standards, and give County hell if the upholstery changes in the coaches.
A perfect example of the compliant numpty that the Department of Education loves to see at the helm of a school. Somebody to embrace the national curriculum, ignore declining academic standards, and give County hell if the upholstery changes in the coaches. MunsterX
  • Score: 3

2:00pm Mon 28 Jul 14

mistamina says...

''ignore declining academic standards, '' is correct. Bucks has the one of biggest education Gap in UK (recent Bucks Select Report); and certainly the BIGGEST Gap in any Selective System County in UK!

Anyone bothered to cut the Gap?
''ignore declining academic standards, '' is correct. Bucks has the one of biggest education Gap in UK (recent Bucks Select Report); and certainly the BIGGEST Gap in any Selective System County in UK! Anyone bothered to cut the Gap? mistamina
  • Score: 1

7:06pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Mike and Valerie are solemnly going through the motions of 'trying to help' children entitled to school meals - this is a good trick as it shows they are trying hard and mean well to EVERYBODY - not just the genuinely superior part of the population, and when they eventually fail, people will think 'Oh well they DID try and this only applies to people whose children are entitled to free school meals - that's not us - we must be all right.'

(I wonder what conclusion Philip Wayne will eventually reach in September when he is finally in a position to comment with knowledge and authority (like he did last time - sorry like he didn't do last time) about the new coaching proof/genuinely meritocratic 11+.)

All that excellence requires a lot of obfuscation to prevent rabid egalitarian ideologues ruining it you know.
Mike and Valerie are solemnly going through the motions of 'trying to help' children entitled to school meals - this is a good trick as it shows they are trying hard and mean well to EVERYBODY - not just the genuinely superior part of the population, and when they eventually fail, people will think 'Oh well they DID try and this only applies to people whose children are entitled to free school meals - that's not us - we must be all right.' (I wonder what conclusion Philip Wayne will eventually reach in September when he is finally in a position to comment with knowledge and authority (like he did last time - sorry like he didn't do last time) about the new coaching proof/genuinely meritocratic 11+.) All that excellence requires a lot of obfuscation to prevent rabid egalitarian ideologues ruining it you know. Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 2

7:11pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

(Possibly Mr Wayne may maintain a dignified silence like Mike and Val.)
(Possibly Mr Wayne may maintain a dignified silence like Mike and Val.) Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 0

7:12pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

(On the other hand he may produce bogus, plausible-sounding statistics like Mike, or be ‘cross’ like Val and silently sulk so he does not have to justify the unjustifiable with non-existent facts.)
(On the other hand he may produce bogus, plausible-sounding statistics like Mike, or be ‘cross’ like Val and silently sulk so he does not have to justify the unjustifiable with non-existent facts.) Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 0

7:05pm Sun 3 Aug 14

bucksparent says...

mistamina wrote:
Agree with Yob,
It is all to do with quote ''… the headteachers of Wycombe High, John Hampden Grammar School and the Royal Grammar School.''
in two articles, I have seen no representation from any school where our children that fail the 11+ go.
It is Bucks inequality of selection system that is precipitating this problem. if we did not have selection we would not have to ferry 15% of our children around in 18 double deckers!
Why are we listening to Grammars in the first place, have they not had enough privileges already? Simply because they can get their 'serious' faces into the papers does not mean they can tell us what to do.
Problem would be over if Grammars paid for their privileges. Stop poncing on us.
It may be useful to remember that up until about 2 years ago, all pupils who lived more than 3 mile from their school had free transport. This was then changed, after the 11+ result and after schools had been chosen to " 3 miles or more from their nearest eligible school" This meant that even if a child passed the 11+, if they chose not to attend a closer secondary school then they had to pay for transport. As their nearest eligible school would b e the secondary school. However a child that had not passed the 11+ would not pay for transport to a secondary school if it was 3+ miles away.
Rather than point out that only the Grammar school heads are commenting on this, shouldn't you be concerned that the Head of a Secondary school isn't.
Also what exactly are the "privileges" that Grammar schools get and why do you believe they get them by "poncing" on you?
[quote][p][bold]mistamina[/bold] wrote: Agree with Yob, It is all to do with quote ''… the headteachers of Wycombe High, John Hampden Grammar School and the Royal Grammar School.'' in two articles, I have seen no representation from any school where our children that fail the 11+ go. It is Bucks inequality of selection system that is precipitating this problem. if we did not have selection we would not have to ferry 15% of our children around in 18 double deckers! Why are we listening to Grammars in the first place, have they not had enough privileges already? Simply because they can get their 'serious' faces into the papers does not mean they can tell us what to do. Problem would be over if Grammars paid for their privileges. Stop poncing on us.[/p][/quote]It may be useful to remember that up until about 2 years ago, all pupils who lived more than 3 mile from their school had free transport. This was then changed, after the 11+ result and after schools had been chosen to " 3 miles or more from their nearest eligible school" This meant that even if a child passed the 11+, if they chose not to attend a closer secondary school then they had to pay for transport. As their nearest eligible school would b e the secondary school. However a child that had not passed the 11+ would not pay for transport to a secondary school if it was 3+ miles away. Rather than point out that only the Grammar school heads are commenting on this, shouldn't you be concerned that the Head of a Secondary school isn't. Also what exactly are the "privileges" that Grammar schools get and why do you believe they get them by "poncing" on you? bucksparent
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3:16pm Mon 4 Aug 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

I would be interested to know how Mr and Mrs ‘ParentsPower’ are doing with their idea of chartering a coach service– I think we are badly sold short by Appleyard, Letheren and the rest of the dimwit ideologues at BCC.
I would be interested to know how Mr and Mrs ‘ParentsPower’ are doing with their idea of chartering a coach service– I think we are badly sold short by Appleyard, Letheren and the rest of the dimwit ideologues at BCC. Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 0

4:09pm Mon 4 Aug 14

ParentsPower says...

Ashwood Travel are offering 5 routes to the RGS starting in September. They plan to offer more routes in January once the planned changes go ahead. I saw a previous comment asking for an email address. It is tom@ashwoodtravel.co
.uk
They have reportedly received a lot of support from parents, including myself, and are offering their services for the same prices as Bucks.
Ashwood Travel are offering 5 routes to the RGS starting in September. They plan to offer more routes in January once the planned changes go ahead. I saw a previous comment asking for an email address. It is tom@ashwoodtravel.co .uk They have reportedly received a lot of support from parents, including myself, and are offering their services for the same prices as Bucks. ParentsPower
  • Score: 0

3:37pm Tue 5 Aug 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

If Tom and the others at Ashwood's can actually improve on the offer of Appleyard and Co, then they will have a good deal for themselves and others I suspect.

That would be brilliant in my view - we are fed so much rubbish by BCC.
If Tom and the others at Ashwood's can actually improve on the offer of Appleyard and Co, then they will have a good deal for themselves and others I suspect. That would be brilliant in my view - we are fed so much rubbish by BCC. Undercover Euro Yob
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5:19pm Tue 5 Aug 14

mistamina says...

bucksparent wrote:
mistamina wrote:
Agree with Yob,
It is all to do with quote ''… the headteachers of Wycombe High, John Hampden Grammar School and the Royal Grammar School.''
in two articles, I have seen no representation from any school where our children that fail the 11+ go.
It is Bucks inequality of selection system that is precipitating this problem. if we did not have selection we would not have to ferry 15% of our children around in 18 double deckers!
Why are we listening to Grammars in the first place, have they not had enough privileges already? Simply because they can get their 'serious' faces into the papers does not mean they can tell us what to do.
Problem would be over if Grammars paid for their privileges. Stop poncing on us.
It may be useful to remember that up until about 2 years ago, all pupils who lived more than 3 mile from their school had free transport. This was then changed, after the 11+ result and after schools had been chosen to " 3 miles or more from their nearest eligible school" This meant that even if a child passed the 11+, if they chose not to attend a closer secondary school then they had to pay for transport. As their nearest eligible school would b e the secondary school. However a child that had not passed the 11+ would not pay for transport to a secondary school if it was 3+ miles away.
Rather than point out that only the Grammar school heads are commenting on this, shouldn't you be concerned that the Head of a Secondary school isn't.
Also what exactly are the "privileges" that Grammar schools get and why do you believe they get them by "poncing" on you?
Interesting point, thank you. I have read your entry several times now.
If true I agree with Appleyard. Passing the 11+ does not mean we the rest of the public (85%) has to pay for the 11+ passing child's travelling expenses.
Nothing wrong with the Grammar Schools pay for it? Cameroon has told us these are austere times. Let Grammars pull their weight.
[quote][p][bold]bucksparent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mistamina[/bold] wrote: Agree with Yob, It is all to do with quote ''… the headteachers of Wycombe High, John Hampden Grammar School and the Royal Grammar School.'' in two articles, I have seen no representation from any school where our children that fail the 11+ go. It is Bucks inequality of selection system that is precipitating this problem. if we did not have selection we would not have to ferry 15% of our children around in 18 double deckers! Why are we listening to Grammars in the first place, have they not had enough privileges already? Simply because they can get their 'serious' faces into the papers does not mean they can tell us what to do. Problem would be over if Grammars paid for their privileges. Stop poncing on us.[/p][/quote]It may be useful to remember that up until about 2 years ago, all pupils who lived more than 3 mile from their school had free transport. This was then changed, after the 11+ result and after schools had been chosen to " 3 miles or more from their nearest eligible school" This meant that even if a child passed the 11+, if they chose not to attend a closer secondary school then they had to pay for transport. As their nearest eligible school would b e the secondary school. However a child that had not passed the 11+ would not pay for transport to a secondary school if it was 3+ miles away. Rather than point out that only the Grammar school heads are commenting on this, shouldn't you be concerned that the Head of a Secondary school isn't. Also what exactly are the "privileges" that Grammar schools get and why do you believe they get them by "poncing" on you?[/p][/quote]Interesting point, thank you. I have read your entry several times now. If true I agree with Appleyard. Passing the 11+ does not mean we the rest of the public (85%) has to pay for the 11+ passing child's travelling expenses. Nothing wrong with the Grammar Schools pay for it? Cameroon has told us these are austere times. Let Grammars pull their weight. mistamina
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10:05pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Binkie Beaumont says...

Yob.

I thought you had been very quiet about Lord Wayne of Chesham until I stumbled across this article.

Binks
Yob. I thought you had been very quiet about Lord Wayne of Chesham until I stumbled across this article. Binks Binkie Beaumont
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5:51pm Tue 12 Aug 14

mistamina says...

Kemstad wrote:
My daughters route has been extended to include flackwell Heath from Sept....so instead of 20 minutes on the bus it will be 50 and it will be tight for her to be in school on time if it is running late.
I think we will end up running her to school every day so increasing the traffic in the area.
A badly thought though proposal. I will certainly be looking into other options going forward. Agree if they are not careful they will end up running a service with nobody on it....but then is that the longer term plan??? One does wonder...
Again i ask. Why are we moving children all over the place? Costing time, expense, hassle, pollution.......
[quote][p][bold]Kemstad[/bold] wrote: My daughters route has been extended to include flackwell Heath from Sept....so instead of 20 minutes on the bus it will be 50 and it will be tight for her to be in school on time if it is running late. I think we will end up running her to school every day so increasing the traffic in the area. A badly thought though proposal. I will certainly be looking into other options going forward. Agree if they are not careful they will end up running a service with nobody on it....but then is that the longer term plan??? One does wonder...[/p][/quote]Again i ask. Why are we moving children all over the place? Costing time, expense, hassle, pollution....... mistamina
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5:59pm Tue 12 Aug 14

mistamina says...

Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
Mike and Valerie are solemnly going through the motions of 'trying to help' children entitled to school meals - this is a good trick as it shows they are trying hard and mean well to EVERYBODY - not just the genuinely superior part of the population, and when they eventually fail, people will think 'Oh well they DID try and this only applies to people whose children are entitled to free school meals - that's not us - we must be all right.'

(I wonder what conclusion Philip Wayne will eventually reach in September when he is finally in a position to comment with knowledge and authority (like he did last time - sorry like he didn't do last time) about the new coaching proof/genuinely meritocratic 11+.)

All that excellence requires a lot of obfuscation to prevent rabid egalitarian ideologues ruining it you know.
I am changing my comment name to ''Rabid Egalitarian Ideologue''.
Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité, pour notre Education d'Bucks.
[quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: Mike and Valerie are solemnly going through the motions of 'trying to help' children entitled to school meals - this is a good trick as it shows they are trying hard and mean well to EVERYBODY - not just the genuinely superior part of the population, and when they eventually fail, people will think 'Oh well they DID try and this only applies to people whose children are entitled to free school meals - that's not us - we must be all right.' (I wonder what conclusion Philip Wayne will eventually reach in September when he is finally in a position to comment with knowledge and authority (like he did last time - sorry like he didn't do last time) about the new coaching proof/genuinely meritocratic 11+.) All that excellence requires a lot of obfuscation to prevent rabid egalitarian ideologues ruining it you know.[/p][/quote]I am changing my comment name to ''Rabid Egalitarian Ideologue''. Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité, pour notre Education d'Bucks. mistamina
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6:05pm Tue 12 Aug 14

mistamina says...

Binkie Beaumont wrote:
Yob.

I thought you had been very quiet about Lord Wayne of Chesham until I stumbled across this article.

Binks
Hate to be picky, but please note it is now ''Wayne the New 11+ of Chesham and Totteridge Pro-Temp''

PS. were the Governors at Chesham not severely hacked off at this desertion? No honour any more.......
[quote][p][bold]Binkie Beaumont[/bold] wrote: Yob. I thought you had been very quiet about Lord Wayne of Chesham until I stumbled across this article. Binks[/p][/quote]Hate to be picky, but please note it is now ''Wayne the New 11+ of Chesham and Totteridge Pro-Temp'' PS. were the Governors at Chesham not severely hacked off at this desertion? No honour any more....... mistamina
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6:36pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Hi Binks -

I am always eager to give a mention to the Right Honourable Lord, but he is not really connected with this until he becomes Master of Castle Excellence on Amersham Hill and the knights of the eleven plus swear fealty to him and need to use the bus service, but I thought it might be good to mention him anyway.

(And Mike Appleyard too – the three of them are good adverts for the immediate introduction of comprehensive education.)
Hi Binks - I am always eager to give a mention to the Right Honourable Lord, but he is not really connected with this until he becomes Master of Castle Excellence on Amersham Hill and the knights of the eleven plus swear fealty to him and need to use the bus service, but I thought it might be good to mention him anyway. (And Mike Appleyard too – the three of them are good adverts for the immediate introduction of comprehensive education.) Undercover Euro Yob
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9:55am Wed 13 Aug 14

mistamina says...

Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
Hi Binks -

I am always eager to give a mention to the Right Honourable Lord, but he is not really connected with this until he becomes Master of Castle Excellence on Amersham Hill and the knights of the eleven plus swear fealty to him and need to use the bus service, but I thought it might be good to mention him anyway.

(And Mike Appleyard too – the three of them are good adverts for the immediate introduction of comprehensive education.)
''immediate introduction of comprehensive education'' ??
Here we go again! There is constant rumbling in Buckinghamshire that the 11+ is unfair, not right for children somehow.
WILL SOMEBODY TELL ME WHY?
It is about time we had clarification why!
[quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: Hi Binks - I am always eager to give a mention to the Right Honourable Lord, but he is not really connected with this until he becomes Master of Castle Excellence on Amersham Hill and the knights of the eleven plus swear fealty to him and need to use the bus service, but I thought it might be good to mention him anyway. (And Mike Appleyard too – the three of them are good adverts for the immediate introduction of comprehensive education.)[/p][/quote]''immediate introduction of comprehensive education'' ?? Here we go again! There is constant rumbling in Buckinghamshire that the 11+ is unfair, not right for children somehow. WILL SOMEBODY TELL ME WHY? It is about time we had clarification why! mistamina
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4:02pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
Hi Binks -

I am always eager to give a mention to the Right Honourable Lord, but he is not really connected with this until he becomes Master of Castle Excellence on Amersham Hill and the knights of the eleven plus swear fealty to him and need to use the bus service, but I thought it might be good to mention him anyway.

(And Mike Appleyard too – the three of them are good adverts for the immediate introduction of comprehensive education.)
The laughable dignity with which they obfuscate or refuse point blank to reply makes them irresistible, easy and justifiable targets.
[quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: Hi Binks - I am always eager to give a mention to the Right Honourable Lord, but he is not really connected with this until he becomes Master of Castle Excellence on Amersham Hill and the knights of the eleven plus swear fealty to him and need to use the bus service, but I thought it might be good to mention him anyway. (And Mike Appleyard too – the three of them are good adverts for the immediate introduction of comprehensive education.)[/p][/quote]The laughable dignity with which they obfuscate or refuse point blank to reply makes them irresistible, easy and justifiable targets. Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 1

9:42pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MammaTed says...

ParentsPower wrote:
Ashwood Travel are offering 5 routes to the RGS starting in September. They plan to offer more routes in January once the planned changes go ahead. I saw a previous comment asking for an email address. It is tom@ashwoodtravel.co

.uk
They have reportedly received a lot of support from parents, including myself, and are offering their services for the same prices as Bucks.
Yes! I would urge all parents who are using the school transport to get quotations to privately hire coaches. There are plenty of local companies who have the expertise and experience to advise and assist parents, so if you can get the numbers it might work out cheaper with more efficient routes.

Has anyone heard if they have a place yet? When you do make sure you know exactly when your transport starts and ends as someone told me it won't include the 4th and 5th September and also when schools finish early at the end of term the afternoon times will remain the same.
[quote][p][bold]ParentsPower[/bold] wrote: Ashwood Travel are offering 5 routes to the RGS starting in September. They plan to offer more routes in January once the planned changes go ahead. I saw a previous comment asking for an email address. It is tom@ashwoodtravel.co .uk They have reportedly received a lot of support from parents, including myself, and are offering their services for the same prices as Bucks.[/p][/quote]Yes! I would urge all parents who are using the school transport to get quotations to privately hire coaches. There are plenty of local companies who have the expertise and experience to advise and assist parents, so if you can get the numbers it might work out cheaper with more efficient routes. Has anyone heard if they have a place yet? When you do make sure you know exactly when your transport starts and ends as someone told me it won't include the 4th and 5th September and also when schools finish early at the end of term the afternoon times will remain the same. MammaTed
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