Scheme to ease Wycombe gridlock launches this autumn

Scheme to ease Wycombe gridlock launches this autumn

Scheme to ease Wycombe gridlock launches this autumn

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AN INITIATIVE to ease High Wycombe’s crippling congestion problem and help the environment by leaving the car at home will be launched this autumn.

‘Turn Over a New Leaf’ is a Buckinghamshire County Council project to encourage people to walk, cycle, share a lift or go by bus instead of getting behind the wheel.

The scheme aims to show how leaving the car at home can help residents get fit, reduce stress, cut congestion, save money and help the environment at the same time.

Mark Shaw, deputy Cabinet member for transportation, said: “Whether it's walking, cycling, car sharing or taking public transport, we're encouraging you to turn over a new leaf this autumn.

“Using a sustainable mode of travel, even once a week, will help reduce your carbon footprint by 20 per cent and could also save you money and help you get fit.”

Two promotion events - one at The Rye and the other at Guildhall - will give residents information on planning a walking route or finding a car share partner, and promoting bus routes in the area.

Council staff will be on hand to answer questions and give guidance at both sessions:

• Wycombe Rye - Friday 29 August, 10.30am - 2.30pm

• Guildhall, High Wycombe – Wednesday 17 September, 10am – 3pm

For more information visit www.buckscc.gov.uk/sustainable-travel

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12:20pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Bartholomew HuckleBerry says...

Totally speechless !!!! How is this a new initiative to walk or cycle to reduce the number of cars on the road. How is this waste of space Mark Shaw justifying being in his highly paid job to come out with this sort of absolute trollop to combat the gridlocks of this town.
I will go to the Guildhall to gain useless information from these so called planners and will ask then to plan a walking journey for me to walk 52 miles to my workplace...maybe I can get out and into High Wycombe whilst going to or returning from work in the rush hours !
I am absolutely fuming that no wonder this God forsaken town is being let to crumble away in the hands of Tett and all these other decision makers when hundreds of highly capable people dyign to get a job to make a real difference instead of line their own pockets. They are greedy scums !
Totally speechless !!!! How is this a new initiative to walk or cycle to reduce the number of cars on the road. How is this waste of space Mark Shaw justifying being in his highly paid job to come out with this sort of absolute trollop to combat the gridlocks of this town. I will go to the Guildhall to gain useless information from these so called planners and will ask then to plan a walking journey for me to walk 52 miles to my workplace...maybe I can get out and into High Wycombe whilst going to or returning from work in the rush hours ! I am absolutely fuming that no wonder this God forsaken town is being let to crumble away in the hands of Tett and all these other decision makers when hundreds of highly capable people dyign to get a job to make a real difference instead of line their own pockets. They are greedy scums ! Bartholomew HuckleBerry
  • Score: 69

12:29pm Mon 18 Aug 14

mikeyt17 says...

Best way to improve environment is for arriva to get new buses or at least take the ones off the road that leave smoke everywhere
Best way to improve environment is for arriva to get new buses or at least take the ones off the road that leave smoke everywhere mikeyt17
  • Score: 43

12:33pm Mon 18 Aug 14

maccapaka says...

Does this mean that someone with bigger feet than me will reduce their carbon footprint by more than me, because 20% of a size 11 must be more than 20% of my size 8's. I have to have a sense of humour about this because it is total tripe. These people who come up with this twaddle should really consider what they are doing with their lives. Please consider a very rapid career move, but sadly in the real world I don't think anyone, other than a council, would employ you. What a total pillock.
Does this mean that someone with bigger feet than me will reduce their carbon footprint by more than me, because 20% of a size 11 must be more than 20% of my size 8's. I have to have a sense of humour about this because it is total tripe. These people who come up with this twaddle should really consider what they are doing with their lives. Please consider a very rapid career move, but sadly in the real world I don't think anyone, other than a council, would employ you. What a total pillock. maccapaka
  • Score: 23

12:39pm Mon 18 Aug 14

gpn01 says...

Logically what he is saying (kind of) makes sense....if you decrease your travel on polluting vehicles by 20% then you wil decrease your pollution by 20%. Hardly rocket science, although could probably be disguised as such by describing it as a "modal shift".

The headline infers that BCC's solution to congestion is to ask people to travel less in cars. In which case, does this mean that we can ask BCC to reduce the transport element of the council tax as it appears they're not planning on improving that part of their service?
Logically what he is saying (kind of) makes sense....if you decrease your travel on polluting vehicles by 20% then you wil decrease your pollution by 20%. Hardly rocket science, although could probably be disguised as such by describing it as a "modal shift". The headline infers that BCC's solution to congestion is to ask people to travel less in cars. In which case, does this mean that we can ask BCC to reduce the transport element of the council tax as it appears they're not planning on improving that part of their service? gpn01
  • Score: 22

1:06pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Ivor'sbestfriend says...

Cycling around Wycombe is miserable.
Public transport in Wycombe is miserable.
Cycling around Wycombe is miserable. Public transport in Wycombe is miserable. Ivor'sbestfriend
  • Score: 33

1:17pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Mr Totterdge Hill says...

OMG... "Turn Over a New Leaf" "AN INITIATIVE"...
All sounds like more traffic lights to me ;-)
OMG... "Turn Over a New Leaf" "AN INITIATIVE"... All sounds like more traffic lights to me ;-) Mr Totterdge Hill
  • Score: 18

1:18pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Mr Totterdge Hill says...

Better build another 700 homes as well...
Better build another 700 homes as well... Mr Totterdge Hill
  • Score: 18

1:41pm Mon 18 Aug 14

rem708 says...

And we pay for these people!
And we pay for these people! rem708
  • Score: 30

2:17pm Mon 18 Aug 14

MOCOB says...

I am worried. I am worried that those in BCC stay in Aylesbury and do not realise how many steep hills surround High Wycombe. There is no bus that comes anywhere near the part of HW that I live in. It is at the top of a long and steep hill - I would never be able to cycle up it, even once I lost the fat and gained a bit of fitness (which I have abandoned in favour of being an habitual car user!) I commute a 65 mile round trip Mon-Fri. I would have to set off slightly before I get home each night to commute that by bike.
A by-pass (and not a heart one!) is about the only solution for the traffic problems of High Wycombe - or better still an outer ring road, akin to the M25 for London.
I am worried. I am worried that those in BCC stay in Aylesbury and do not realise how many steep hills surround High Wycombe. There is no bus that comes anywhere near the part of HW that I live in. It is at the top of a long and steep hill - I would never be able to cycle up it, even once I lost the fat and gained a bit of fitness (which I have abandoned in favour of being an habitual car user!) I commute a 65 mile round trip Mon-Fri. I would have to set off slightly before I get home each night to commute that by bike. A by-pass (and not a heart one!) is about the only solution for the traffic problems of High Wycombe - or better still an outer ring road, akin to the M25 for London. MOCOB
  • Score: 19

2:23pm Mon 18 Aug 14

ishouldn'tbutiwill says...

I genuinely dispair.

Congestion is worst during the mornings (0730-0930) and evenings (1600-1830) - people on their way to/from work or taking/collecting kids from school.

Who organises an event to help promote using other modes of tranport in an effort to reduce congestion....betwee
n 10am-3pm during the working day??? I'll tell you who....people so insanely thick that their level of intelligence doesn't actually register a value in terms of IQ....or people who simply don't care enough to think about it.

The only people attending these events will be those who already cycle/walk etc.

Councillor Shaw - here are some ideas (don't worry, I won't mind if you trade them off as your own...the bigger picture is more important to me than your ego)

IDEA 1) "Engage with local business"...they, not you or your intelligence challenged staff are far better positioned to promote the ideas which will reduce congestion. Some examples for you are a) car sharing between employees, or perhaps even business parks. b) offering and promoting ride-to-work schemes (maybe even offer council grants to help off-set the cost of fitting secure bike racking for smaller business) c) promote offering flexible working hours to reduce congestion at peak times d) advertise bus/train timetables in work places, or perhaps look at offering bespoke and adaptable services for key worker areas.
All of these are existing schemes, but need promotion to push employers into offering to employees

IDEA 2) "Work with local gyms". A lot of people won't run/walk..and more so cycle, to work because they can't have a shower once they are there. You could try working with local gyms to see if they'll offer some kind of "abution" membership that would allow individuals to use the washing facilities in the morning. It would mean people who work in the vicinity of a gym could cycle to work and shower in the morning, and local gyms could open up another revenue stream during what is a quiet part of the day. Refer to "IDEA 1" for promoting this service

IDEA 3) "Sort your mates out who work in the (clearly) idiotic planning departmentt". Please drive down Chequers Avenue (Wycombe Marsh retail park end) on Friday night or Saturday morning; you physically cannot walk down the footpath because cars are parked on both sides of the road....so you have to walk down the middle of the road. Couple this with the rudeboy-tw#ts driving like pr#cks (interesting combination of profanity), and you have an accident waiting to happen. But why is this so? Because someone in the planning department authorised the building of 1 bezillion homes with 3x parking spaces. We know this. They know this. But they continue to grant permission. My tip here is simple. If there isn't enough parking, DON'T BUILD IT.

IDEA 4) Offer a park and ride service which is good enough that people actually use is. Ensure key business areas are covered by bus routes, and demonstrate to employees (see IDEA 1) it will improve their journey times.

IDEA 5) " Stop screwing up the roads with imbecilic chnages to road junctions". Such as the bottom of the Pastures. Although I should congratulate you on Handy Cross (although let's be honest, once the new development has finished you will screw it up again).

Anyway, I've given all I can for the 10minutes I had spare. But before I go, just imagine you had paid me as a consultant (as you do others) to come up with these ideas; the tax payer would be out of pocket to the tune of several hundred thousand pounds!

Any chance of some cash for my ideas??? You could offer it to me on the same basis you and your council workers get paid: that is, payment and decent job security regardless of incompetence or project failure rate. (yes yes, I know you're a councillor and the people voted you in blah blah blah)

I'm not bitter.
I genuinely dispair. Congestion is worst during the mornings (0730-0930) and evenings (1600-1830) - people on their way to/from work or taking/collecting kids from school. Who organises an event to help promote using other modes of tranport in an effort to reduce congestion....betwee n 10am-3pm during the working day??? I'll tell you who....people so insanely thick that their level of intelligence doesn't actually register a value in terms of IQ....or people who simply don't care enough to think about it. The only people attending these events will be those who already cycle/walk etc. Councillor Shaw - here are some ideas (don't worry, I won't mind if you trade them off as your own...the bigger picture is more important to me than your ego) IDEA 1) "Engage with local business"...they, not you or your intelligence challenged staff are far better positioned to promote the ideas which will reduce congestion. Some examples for you are a) car sharing between employees, or perhaps even business parks. b) offering and promoting ride-to-work schemes (maybe even offer council grants to help off-set the cost of fitting secure bike racking for smaller business) c) promote offering flexible working hours to reduce congestion at peak times d) advertise bus/train timetables in work places, or perhaps look at offering bespoke and adaptable services for key worker areas. All of these are existing schemes, but need promotion to push employers into offering to employees IDEA 2) "Work with local gyms". A lot of people won't run/walk..and more so cycle, to work because they can't have a shower once they are there. You could try working with local gyms to see if they'll offer some kind of "abution" membership that would allow individuals to use the washing facilities in the morning. It would mean people who work in the vicinity of a gym could cycle to work and shower in the morning, and local gyms could open up another revenue stream during what is a quiet part of the day. Refer to "IDEA 1" for promoting this service IDEA 3) "Sort your mates out who work in the (clearly) idiotic planning departmentt". Please drive down Chequers Avenue (Wycombe Marsh retail park end) on Friday night or Saturday morning; you physically cannot walk down the footpath because cars are parked on both sides of the road....so you have to walk down the middle of the road. Couple this with the rudeboy-tw#ts driving like pr#cks (interesting combination of profanity), and you have an accident waiting to happen. But why is this so? Because someone in the planning department authorised the building of 1 bezillion homes with 3x parking spaces. We know this. They know this. But they continue to grant permission. My tip here is simple. If there isn't enough parking, DON'T BUILD IT. IDEA 4) Offer a park and ride service which is good enough that people actually use is. Ensure key business areas are covered by bus routes, and demonstrate to employees (see IDEA 1) it will improve their journey times. IDEA 5) " Stop screwing up the roads with imbecilic chnages to road junctions". Such as the bottom of the Pastures. Although I should congratulate you on Handy Cross (although let's be honest, once the new development has finished you will screw it up again). Anyway, I've given all I can for the 10minutes I had spare. But before I go, just imagine you had paid me as a consultant (as you do others) to come up with these ideas; the tax payer would be out of pocket to the tune of several hundred thousand pounds! Any chance of some cash for my ideas??? You could offer it to me on the same basis you and your council workers get paid: that is, payment and decent job security regardless of incompetence or project failure rate. (yes yes, I know you're a councillor and the people voted you in blah blah blah) I'm not bitter. ishouldn'tbutiwill
  • Score: 64

3:28pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Knowitallnewby says...

With 4 kids, the school run, work in between, there is no way I've got time to wait for the bus.
In fact....
Why should I pay for the bus, when I have a perfectly nice reliable car that cost me to keep it on the road.
After tax, insurance, petrol, general servicing, you then think I'm gonna leave it at home and then pay more to jump on the bus.
How's that gonna save me money.
Stupid..... ! I have have to disagree . I'd be the one that was stupid.
With 4 kids, the school run, work in between, there is no way I've got time to wait for the bus. In fact.... Why should I pay for the bus, when I have a perfectly nice reliable car that cost me to keep it on the road. After tax, insurance, petrol, general servicing, you then think I'm gonna leave it at home and then pay more to jump on the bus. How's that gonna save me money. Stupid..... ! I have have to disagree . I'd be the one that was stupid. Knowitallnewby
  • Score: 19

3:55pm Mon 18 Aug 14

J B Blackett says...

MOCOB wrote:
I am worried. I am worried that those in BCC stay in Aylesbury and do not realise how many steep hills surround High Wycombe. There is no bus that comes anywhere near the part of HW that I live in. It is at the top of a long and steep hill - I would never be able to cycle up it, even once I lost the fat and gained a bit of fitness (which I have abandoned in favour of being an habitual car user!) I commute a 65 mile round trip Mon-Fri. I would have to set off slightly before I get home each night to commute that by bike.
A by-pass (and not a heart one!) is about the only solution for the traffic problems of High Wycombe - or better still an outer ring road, akin to the M25 for London.
You are probably correct , MOCOB.
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The current situation has been allowed to develop over the years by short-sightedness , political expediency , thoughtlessness and sheer ineptitude by undemocratic collusion between politicians and planners.
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It is These People that have created the now existing Gordian knot of worsening congestion. It will take transport experts of outstanding genius to rid us all of the present unholy transport and infrastructural mess.
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And vast amounts of money and resources
[quote][p][bold]MOCOB[/bold] wrote: I am worried. I am worried that those in BCC stay in Aylesbury and do not realise how many steep hills surround High Wycombe. There is no bus that comes anywhere near the part of HW that I live in. It is at the top of a long and steep hill - I would never be able to cycle up it, even once I lost the fat and gained a bit of fitness (which I have abandoned in favour of being an habitual car user!) I commute a 65 mile round trip Mon-Fri. I would have to set off slightly before I get home each night to commute that by bike. A by-pass (and not a heart one!) is about the only solution for the traffic problems of High Wycombe - or better still an outer ring road, akin to the M25 for London.[/p][/quote]You are probably correct , MOCOB. . The current situation has been allowed to develop over the years by short-sightedness , political expediency , thoughtlessness and sheer ineptitude by undemocratic collusion between politicians and planners. . It is These People that have created the now existing Gordian knot of worsening congestion. It will take transport experts of outstanding genius to rid us all of the present unholy transport and infrastructural mess. . And vast amounts of money and resources J B Blackett
  • Score: 15

4:10pm Mon 18 Aug 14

littlestar says...

I am so gullible. I clicked onto this story actually believing there was some sort of solution and plan in place for the misery that has become my morning commute to work from Downley (up to 30 minutes crawling up Desbrough Ave to get to Handy Cross during term time) and that's before I join the M40.
And then I read this load of nonsense. If it was 1st April I would have thought it was the April Fool joke but I actually think they are being serious.
The schools are full - kids (more than one that I know of) are being allocated school places in Burnham as all Wycombe's schools are full and that's not to mention the primary schools - which are also full. No hospital facilities, congested roads at all times of the day, all the usual stuff we all know about which proves this town cannot cope as it yet everywhere you look they are building more houses - generating more income for them.
And their answer to the problem - don't use your car. Unbelievable.
I am so gullible. I clicked onto this story actually believing there was some sort of solution and plan in place for the misery that has become my morning commute to work from Downley (up to 30 minutes crawling up Desbrough Ave to get to Handy Cross during term time) and that's before I join the M40. And then I read this load of nonsense. If it was 1st April I would have thought it was the April Fool joke but I actually think they are being serious. The schools are full - kids (more than one that I know of) are being allocated school places in Burnham as all Wycombe's schools are full and that's not to mention the primary schools - which are also full. No hospital facilities, congested roads at all times of the day, all the usual stuff we all know about which proves this town cannot cope as it yet everywhere you look they are building more houses - generating more income for them. And their answer to the problem - don't use your car. Unbelievable. littlestar
  • Score: 25

4:25pm Mon 18 Aug 14

DawnGhw says...

I would get a bus.......if there were more than 2 a day monday to friday, or if there were any at all on a saturday. Unfortunately there aren't because they cut them a while ago.
I would get a bus.......if there were more than 2 a day monday to friday, or if there were any at all on a saturday. Unfortunately there aren't because they cut them a while ago. DawnGhw
  • Score: 9

5:17pm Mon 18 Aug 14

s6blr says...

Chav Wycombe is sponsoring the Steal a Bike festival?

Really!
Chav Wycombe is sponsoring the Steal a Bike festival? Really! s6blr
  • Score: -6

6:20pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Very much concerned says...

Whatever congestion there is now will only get worse as the County and District have long term plans to remove the flyover and two lanes on the Magic Roundabout. Try reading the Master Plan. Also opening up the Rye will mean further roads being closed. There is also a desire to move the Fire Station at a cost of over £5m, it will improve the view for Wycombe Swan. Again read the Master Plan.

Watch this space.
Whatever congestion there is now will only get worse as the County and District have long term plans to remove the flyover and two lanes on the Magic Roundabout. Try reading the Master Plan. Also opening up the Rye will mean further roads being closed. There is also a desire to move the Fire Station at a cost of over £5m, it will improve the view for Wycombe Swan. Again read the Master Plan. Watch this space. Very much concerned
  • Score: 17

9:35am Tue 19 Aug 14

Hedgehunter says...

Following the link at the end of this article gives information that's almost as condescending as Mark Shaw's comments.

"During August and September you can request an online personalised travel plan. Our personalised travel plan will give you sustainable travel options for both one-off and regular local journeys, and will also include journey information such as CO2 saved and calories burned.

To get your personalised travel plan simply email travelchoice@buckscc
.gov.uk with the following details:

Journey start point (postcode)
Journey end point (postcode)
Departure times for outbound and return journey."

I would be most interested to hear what BCC recommend as a "sustainable" alternative to the average Wycombe commuter and the average number of additional hours it'll put on the journey. "Leave the house at 5am and get home at 9pm and feel smug that you're doing your bit for health and the environment!"
Following the link at the end of this article gives information that's almost as condescending as Mark Shaw's comments. "During August and September you can request an online personalised travel plan. Our personalised travel plan will give you sustainable travel options for both one-off and regular local journeys, and will also include journey information such as CO2 saved and calories burned. To get your personalised travel plan simply email travelchoice@buckscc .gov.uk with the following details: Journey start point (postcode) Journey end point (postcode) Departure times for outbound and return journey." I would be most interested to hear what BCC recommend as a "sustainable" alternative to the average Wycombe commuter and the average number of additional hours it'll put on the journey. "Leave the house at 5am and get home at 9pm and feel smug that you're doing your bit for health and the environment!" Hedgehunter
  • Score: 3

10:46am Tue 19 Aug 14

Chuckerbutty says...

Even for determined cyclists Wycombe presents many challenges - the valley location being the most obvious. Even if there were adequate cycle lanes, I think I would hesitate before riding from my house in Marlow to Wycombe and back, even though the 8 mile round trip would not be a problem on the flat.
Even for determined cyclists Wycombe presents many challenges - the valley location being the most obvious. Even if there were adequate cycle lanes, I think I would hesitate before riding from my house in Marlow to Wycombe and back, even though the 8 mile round trip would not be a problem on the flat. Chuckerbutty
  • Score: 10

11:49am Tue 19 Aug 14

SJ_CFC says...

I think I am going to be reported to the police for being a noisy neighbour today - In my defence, the article itself is so amusing that I could not help laughing out that LOUD !!!
I think I am going to be reported to the police for being a noisy neighbour today - In my defence, the article itself is so amusing that I could not help laughing out that LOUD !!! SJ_CFC
  • Score: 6

1:30pm Tue 19 Aug 14

elammas says...

Welcome everyone to the town of High Wycombe, places of interest include roadworks and Wycombe District Councils, special offer of buy one get one free - traffic lights. If you bother coming to this town be prepared to wait for the excitement. You have the Retail Park that is located to the East, Handy Cross and the new recent addition the Town Centre flyover (if only we all had wings).

I suggest:-
Don't park in the town (is Easton St car park still closed?)
Shop online it will be less stressful .
Work from home.
Get all school kids on a bus (free of charge) to eliviate the morning rush hour.
Mend all roads that have potholes.
Build a new Ring Road. (Most towns have them).

Unfortunately we can't all do these things, but the cuckoo at WDC will carry on creating a town that no one will ever want to visit.

Good Luck!
Welcome everyone to the town of High Wycombe, places of interest include roadworks and Wycombe District Councils, special offer of buy one get one free - traffic lights. If you bother coming to this town be prepared to wait for the excitement. You have the Retail Park that is located to the East, Handy Cross and the new recent addition the Town Centre flyover (if only we all had wings). I suggest:- Don't park in the town (is Easton St car park still closed?) Shop online it will be less stressful . Work from home. Get all school kids on a bus (free of charge) to eliviate the morning rush hour. Mend all roads that have potholes. Build a new Ring Road. (Most towns have them). Unfortunately we can't all do these things, but the cuckoo at WDC will carry on creating a town that no one will ever want to visit. Good Luck! elammas
  • Score: 9

4:32pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Knowitallnewby says...

elammas wrote:
Welcome everyone to the town of High Wycombe, places of interest include roadworks and Wycombe District Councils, special offer of buy one get one free - traffic lights. If you bother coming to this town be prepared to wait for the excitement. You have the Retail Park that is located to the East, Handy Cross and the new recent addition the Town Centre flyover (if only we all had wings).

I suggest:-
Don't park in the town (is Easton St car park still closed?)
Shop online it will be less stressful .
Work from home.
Get all school kids on a bus (free of charge) to eliviate the morning rush hour.
Mend all roads that have potholes.
Build a new Ring Road. (Most towns have them).

Unfortunately we can't all do these things, but the cuckoo at WDC will carry on creating a town that no one will ever want to visit.

Good Luck!
If they took the entitlement free bus pass off of some people ( who clearly don't need them ) and give them to the kids that need to get to school. Maybe that would ease the school run traffic. I've seen people with these free bus travel cards that take there journey just two stops, on a regular basis. That's lazy and misuse of cards. Take them away and give them the kids .
[quote][p][bold]elammas[/bold] wrote: Welcome everyone to the town of High Wycombe, places of interest include roadworks and Wycombe District Councils, special offer of buy one get one free - traffic lights. If you bother coming to this town be prepared to wait for the excitement. You have the Retail Park that is located to the East, Handy Cross and the new recent addition the Town Centre flyover (if only we all had wings). I suggest:- Don't park in the town (is Easton St car park still closed?) Shop online it will be less stressful . Work from home. Get all school kids on a bus (free of charge) to eliviate the morning rush hour. Mend all roads that have potholes. Build a new Ring Road. (Most towns have them). Unfortunately we can't all do these things, but the cuckoo at WDC will carry on creating a town that no one will ever want to visit. Good Luck![/p][/quote]If they took the entitlement free bus pass off of some people ( who clearly don't need them ) and give them to the kids that need to get to school. Maybe that would ease the school run traffic. I've seen people with these free bus travel cards that take there journey just two stops, on a regular basis. That's lazy and misuse of cards. Take them away and give them the kids . Knowitallnewby
  • Score: 2

5:12pm Tue 19 Aug 14

BrainsOfAGnat says...

I may have the brains of a gnat but this council makes me feel like a Mensa member.
I may have the brains of a gnat but this council makes me feel like a Mensa member. BrainsOfAGnat
  • Score: 5

8:41am Wed 20 Aug 14

kerlmann says...

Chuckerbutty wrote:
Even for determined cyclists Wycombe presents many challenges - the valley location being the most obvious. Even if there were adequate cycle lanes, I think I would hesitate before riding from my house in Marlow to Wycombe and back, even though the 8 mile round trip would not be a problem on the flat.
As far as I can see both WDC and BCC hate cyclists - they won't tell you as much, but you can see by the p*ss poor efforts they make to help them. In Wycombe there's no marked cycle lanes, let alone any segregated cycle routes - the best we get is a shared bus lane in one direction on the east side during busy hours.

How can they seriously promote cycling in Wycombe when there's nothing physical to encourage it? They could use this whole ludicrous fiasco with the Abbey Way flyover to create a decent cycle lane over it, but I'll be amazed if they bother. They must think we came down in the last shower.
[quote][p][bold]Chuckerbutty[/bold] wrote: Even for determined cyclists Wycombe presents many challenges - the valley location being the most obvious. Even if there were adequate cycle lanes, I think I would hesitate before riding from my house in Marlow to Wycombe and back, even though the 8 mile round trip would not be a problem on the flat.[/p][/quote]As far as I can see both WDC and BCC hate cyclists - they won't tell you as much, but you can see by the p*ss poor efforts they make to help them. In Wycombe there's no marked cycle lanes, let alone any segregated cycle routes - the best we get is a shared bus lane in one direction on the east side during busy hours. How can they seriously promote cycling in Wycombe when there's nothing physical to encourage it? They could use this whole ludicrous fiasco with the Abbey Way flyover to create a decent cycle lane over it, but I'll be amazed if they bother. They must think we came down in the last shower. kerlmann
  • Score: 7

10:21pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Lividov says...

i agree that WDC & BCC hate cyclists. The journey is doable after practice but my main concern is the cost of travel on the bus! You won't get anyone out of their car unless you make it cheaper. £4 from Wycombe to Marlow single is a ridiculous price for an impromptu journey. £1 per mile on shared transport against 20p per mile approx in the in car? Ha!
i agree that WDC & BCC hate cyclists. The journey is doable after practice but my main concern is the cost of travel on the bus! You won't get anyone out of their car unless you make it cheaper. £4 from Wycombe to Marlow single is a ridiculous price for an impromptu journey. £1 per mile on shared transport against 20p per mile approx in the in car? Ha! Lividov
  • Score: 2

8:55am Thu 21 Aug 14

Shazzbug says...

Or alternatively just sort out the traffic flow and lights on the London Road. Job done!
Or alternatively just sort out the traffic flow and lights on the London Road. Job done! Shazzbug
  • Score: 2

7:46pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Monty Cristo says...

To state the blinking obvious, building hundreds more homes in the area (which the Council now says is inevitable, as it caves in to central government demands to build all over the "reserve" sites such as Gomm Valley), does NOTHING to alleviate gridlock. So why build them here, as opposed to building new garden cities with suitable infrastructure? It is madness yet we are powerless to do anything about it, despite the Conservatives trumpeting that local people decide local issues.
Remember that when it comes to the next election......
To state the blinking obvious, building hundreds more homes in the area (which the Council now says is inevitable, as it caves in to central government demands to build all over the "reserve" sites such as Gomm Valley), does NOTHING to alleviate gridlock. So why build them here, as opposed to building new garden cities with suitable infrastructure? It is madness yet we are powerless to do anything about it, despite the Conservatives trumpeting that local people decide local issues. Remember that when it comes to the next election...... Monty Cristo
  • Score: 6

8:10pm Thu 21 Aug 14

gpn01 says...

Monty Cristo wrote:
To state the blinking obvious, building hundreds more homes in the area (which the Council now says is inevitable, as it caves in to central government demands to build all over the "reserve" sites such as Gomm Valley), does NOTHING to alleviate gridlock. So why build them here, as opposed to building new garden cities with suitable infrastructure? It is madness yet we are powerless to do anything about it, despite the Conservatives trumpeting that local people decide local issues.
Remember that when it comes to the next election......
As ALL of the mainstream parties are in favour of increased house building then I presume you're recommending that everyone votes either for UKIP or an Independent?
[quote][p][bold]Monty Cristo[/bold] wrote: To state the blinking obvious, building hundreds more homes in the area (which the Council now says is inevitable, as it caves in to central government demands to build all over the "reserve" sites such as Gomm Valley), does NOTHING to alleviate gridlock. So why build them here, as opposed to building new garden cities with suitable infrastructure? It is madness yet we are powerless to do anything about it, despite the Conservatives trumpeting that local people decide local issues. Remember that when it comes to the next election......[/p][/quote]As ALL of the mainstream parties are in favour of increased house building then I presume you're recommending that everyone votes either for UKIP or an Independent? gpn01
  • Score: 3

8:35pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Agniesca says...

If nobody drives into the town centre because of the congestion, traffic lights and parking charges, then a large number of retail outlets will fail. Turn these into housing units and provide free parking to out of town retail parks and we're part of the way to solving the problem. As our population increases we will need to have early and late shifts for our children, thus alleviating peak time traffic congestion.
If nobody drives into the town centre because of the congestion, traffic lights and parking charges, then a large number of retail outlets will fail. Turn these into housing units and provide free parking to out of town retail parks and we're part of the way to solving the problem. As our population increases we will need to have early and late shifts for our children, thus alleviating peak time traffic congestion. Agniesca
  • Score: 2

8:52am Fri 22 Aug 14

Monty Cristo says...

gpn01 wrote:
Monty Cristo wrote:
To state the blinking obvious, building hundreds more homes in the area (which the Council now says is inevitable, as it caves in to central government demands to build all over the "reserve" sites such as Gomm Valley), does NOTHING to alleviate gridlock. So why build them here, as opposed to building new garden cities with suitable infrastructure? It is madness yet we are powerless to do anything about it, despite the Conservatives trumpeting that local people decide local issues.
Remember that when it comes to the next election......
As ALL of the mainstream parties are in favour of increased house building then I presume you're recommending that everyone votes either for UKIP or an Independent?
Not at all. The mainstream parties, and I, are in favour of increased house building if it is needed. But it does not need to be here in my view. The Tories for one have suggested that new garden towns/cities are one answer, and that's the answer I favour. Such places would doubtless be properly designed with suitable infrastructure at outset - including proper cycleways , as Milton Keynes was . That is far more preferable to trying to bodge up our infrastructure here. You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. All politicians need to be lobbied and asked exactly how the infrastructure in towns like Wycombe are supposed to cope with incessant housebuilding, when the Council already consider that it is gridlocked. Simply asking people to walk is totally unrealistic - because many, many people work outside the area - and doubtless the new developments proposed will similarly be occupied by people who do that too. New garden cities with proper infrastructure is needed to allow people to move into the South East. But also substantially limit the purchase/occupation of new development in existing towns to those who already currently live in those towns - so that local need for housing is addressed but with no net increased infrastructure loading.
[quote][p][bold]gpn01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Monty Cristo[/bold] wrote: To state the blinking obvious, building hundreds more homes in the area (which the Council now says is inevitable, as it caves in to central government demands to build all over the "reserve" sites such as Gomm Valley), does NOTHING to alleviate gridlock. So why build them here, as opposed to building new garden cities with suitable infrastructure? It is madness yet we are powerless to do anything about it, despite the Conservatives trumpeting that local people decide local issues. Remember that when it comes to the next election......[/p][/quote]As ALL of the mainstream parties are in favour of increased house building then I presume you're recommending that everyone votes either for UKIP or an Independent?[/p][/quote]Not at all. The mainstream parties, and I, are in favour of increased house building if it is needed. But it does not need to be here in my view. The Tories for one have suggested that new garden towns/cities are one answer, and that's the answer I favour. Such places would doubtless be properly designed with suitable infrastructure at outset - including proper cycleways , as Milton Keynes was . That is far more preferable to trying to bodge up our infrastructure here. You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear. All politicians need to be lobbied and asked exactly how the infrastructure in towns like Wycombe are supposed to cope with incessant housebuilding, when the Council already consider that it is gridlocked. Simply asking people to walk is totally unrealistic - because many, many people work outside the area - and doubtless the new developments proposed will similarly be occupied by people who do that too. New garden cities with proper infrastructure is needed to allow people to move into the South East. But also substantially limit the purchase/occupation of new development in existing towns to those who already currently live in those towns - so that local need for housing is addressed but with no net increased infrastructure loading. Monty Cristo
  • Score: 1

9:40am Sun 24 Aug 14

Agniesca says...

Wycombe has a higher rate of unemployment than other towns in this area, so who will occupy the proposed houses? If it is to house workers who will commute to their employments, the why not build homes close to where they will work.
Wycombe has a higher rate of unemployment than other towns in this area, so who will occupy the proposed houses? If it is to house workers who will commute to their employments, the why not build homes close to where they will work. Agniesca
  • Score: 2

1:50pm Wed 27 Aug 14

311nahkw says...

On the other hand they are raising bus fares and train fares. It is a fraction of the price to take the car. Are these Government folk idiots?
On the other hand they are raising bus fares and train fares. It is a fraction of the price to take the car. Are these Government folk idiots? 311nahkw
  • Score: 0

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