Parents' fury over school bus place 'fiasco'

Parents fury over school bus place 'fiasco'

Parents fury over school bus place 'fiasco'

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ANGRY parents whose children start secondary school this week say they still have no idea how they will get there after a ‘fiasco’ with school bus places.

A group of parents in the Stokenchurch area say they are still waiting to hear whether their children have got a place on a bus to Great Marlow School – despite applying in April.

And the frustrated group have criticised Amey Transport, which runs the service for Bucks County Council, for not letting them know what is happening and keeping them hanging on hold.

Parent Jayne Stewart, whose daughter starts year seven at Great Marlow on Thursday, said: “We live in Radnage, and we still haven’t heard about bus places. It’s absolutely disgusting.

“We just cannot get through to them. We don’t know if she has got a bus seat, it’s incredible, I can’t believe they’re getting away with it.

“I applied back in April and she is now moving up to secondary school, and it seems everybody is in the same boat.

“It’s a new experience for us, and I work as well so how am I supposed to get her to and from school? We need to know if we have to make alternative arrangements and we could have clubbed together as parents already.”

Amey Transport has operated school transport for BCC since 2008, and arranges for 16,000 children to get to school in the county.

The parents who have spoken to the Bucks Free Press are not eligible for free school transport because their children are not attending their closest school, and are classed as ‘discretionary’ cases.

They are however able to pay for a school bus place if numbers allow, but parents are angry that they still do not know if the places exist.

Kirsty and Lee Campbell from Stokenchurch found out the day before their daughter started Great Marlow that she had been allocated a place on the bus.

But Mrs Campbell, who is recovering from an operation and not yet able to drive, criticised Amey for the delay and leaving them with a possible transport crisis after told they would hear by early August.

She said: "How are we supposed to sort out a contingency plan at this late stage? The whole thing is an absolute debacle!

"If I had known this was going to be an issue I would possibly have struggled on and delayed my operation.”

Stokenchurch parent Darren Hudson said his 11-year-old daughter Daisy did not get a place when her older sister already takes the same bus.

And he said the decision means his wife may have to shorten her work hours to ferry their youngest daughter to school, putting real strain on the family’s finance.

Despite the claims, Amey and BCC say they have written to everyone on the waiting list already, and insist they are doing all they can do accommodate the huge demand.

Ben Thomas, who heads Buckinghamshire County Council’s commissioning team, said: ‘We're sorry for the delay in getting back to parents who have applied for discretionary school bus places, and we understand their anxiety.

“Our contractors, Amey, have written to parents with children on the waiting list as of last week, and they should now know whether or not they have received an offer of a school bus place.

“Applications continue to come in, so the discretionary waiting list remains very much live, and Amey’s team are doing their best to find places for them.

“For those still without a place, Amey are looking at re-routing some school buses to see whether, over the next few days, they can accommodate more pupils from the waiting list.’

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4:04pm Wed 3 Sep 14

giraffehouse13 says...

So eventually last week we received our sons bus pass. Today (Wednesday) we have been notified by Amey that the times of the buses have changed. When we check the timetable the route that our son has been allocated from Lane End has vanished altogether. This is ridiculous - he is due to attend school on Friday and we have no idea where from or at what time. This arrangement is completely unacceptable and getting through to Amey is impossible.
So eventually last week we received our sons bus pass. Today (Wednesday) we have been notified by Amey that the times of the buses have changed. When we check the timetable the route that our son has been allocated from Lane End has vanished altogether. This is ridiculous - he is due to attend school on Friday and we have no idea where from or at what time. This arrangement is completely unacceptable and getting through to Amey is impossible. giraffehouse13
  • Score: 13

4:22pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Thank God we still have all that excellence.

(That's why we have higher house prices round here you know.)
Thank God we still have all that excellence. (That's why we have higher house prices round here you know.) Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 2

4:34pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Some people saw this coming however - John Hampden headmaster Stephen Noakes said last month that he would be “very surprised” if the council forged ahead with the original proposals. (See: http://www.bucksfree
press.co.uk/educatio
n/news/11355735.Head
teacher_would_be__su
rprised__if_school_t
ransport_plan_goes_a
head/) and ‘ParentsPower’ said
Ashwood Travel are offering 5 routes to the RGS starting in September. They plan to offer more routes in January once the planned changes go ahead. I saw a previous comment asking for an email address. It is tom@ashwoodtravel.co

.uk
They have reportedly received a lot of support from parents, including myself, and are offering their services for the same prices as Bucks.


Thank God that so many pupils at the grammar schools are from out-of-area and have well-off parents who can take them to school in the 4 Wheel Drive – once again a philanthropic gesture by themac towards the less well- off.
Some people saw this coming however - John Hampden headmaster Stephen Noakes said last month that he would be “very surprised” if the council forged ahead with the original proposals. (See: http://www.bucksfree press.co.uk/educatio n/news/11355735.Head teacher_would_be__su rprised__if_school_t ransport_plan_goes_a head/) and ‘ParentsPower’ said[italic] Ashwood Travel are offering 5 routes to the RGS starting in September. They plan to offer more routes in January once the planned changes go ahead. I saw a previous comment asking for an email address. It is tom@ashwoodtravel.co .uk They have reportedly received a lot of support from parents, including myself, and are offering their services for the same prices as Bucks. [/italic] Thank God that so many pupils at the grammar schools are from out-of-area and have well-off parents who can take them to school in the 4 Wheel Drive – once again a philanthropic gesture by themac towards the less well- off. Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 2

4:35pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

*gesture by them towards *
*gesture by them towards * Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: -4

5:30pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Bartholomew HuckleBerry says...

Can anybody recall a single moment where we can actually congratulate or atleast not have been severely left disappointed and dismayed by the inactions or absurd actions b this failed authorities and the individuals that happen to have secure jobs there ?
In all honesty I cannot think of single moment or instant where this failed organisation has done anything good for the citizens of this county. Tett you are a disgrace ! You are a useless waste of space and air !
Can anybody recall a single moment where we can actually congratulate or atleast not have been severely left disappointed and dismayed by the inactions or absurd actions b this failed authorities and the individuals that happen to have secure jobs there ? In all honesty I cannot think of single moment or instant where this failed organisation has done anything good for the citizens of this county. Tett you are a disgrace ! You are a useless waste of space and air ! Bartholomew HuckleBerry
  • Score: 9

5:31pm Wed 3 Sep 14

MunsterX says...

Euro Yob

Senior management at our local schools switched years ago from running an educational establishment to running a business. Most of the headmasters are porsche driving spivs, who will do anything to justify the sexed up basics.

Transport is the tip of the iceberg, it alone makes the news because it can not be hushed up. There is much more going on though, the grammar schools have weekly cases of pupil self-harm, and numerous teachers on long term sick leave, unable to come to terms with the horrific breakdowns of these teenagers, including mutilations.

It is still the case that only 1% of students worldwide score 45 points in the IB diploma, and the grammar are still pedalling GCSEs, A-Levels and the Cambridge Pre-U, in which each of our local grammar schools has 25% or more with straight A-Grades. Vote with your feet folks, you are being conned.
Euro Yob Senior management at our local schools switched years ago from running an educational establishment to running a business. Most of the headmasters are porsche driving spivs, who will do anything to justify the sexed up basics. Transport is the tip of the iceberg, it alone makes the news because it can not be hushed up. There is much more going on though, the grammar schools have weekly cases of pupil self-harm, and numerous teachers on long term sick leave, unable to come to terms with the horrific breakdowns of these teenagers, including mutilations. It is still the case that only 1% of students worldwide score 45 points in the IB diploma, and the grammar are still pedalling GCSEs, A-Levels and the Cambridge Pre-U, in which each of our local grammar schools has 25% or more with straight A-Grades. Vote with your feet folks, you are being conned. MunsterX
  • Score: -3

6:37pm Wed 3 Sep 14

giraffehouse13 says...

Not all parents of children attending Grammar schools are well off - far from it. The bus that we thought had been axed actually picks up from the local authority estate in Lane End. We do not own a 4x4 nor do we have the option to drive our son to school, as we have to go to work.

We live 4 miles away, are not entitled to free transport to JH as it is not our local school. However we would be entitled to free transport to Cressex (our local school), but there is no bus - we lose on all counts and have to pay £71pm just for a place on a coach to go 8miles round trip 5 times a week.
Not all parents of children attending Grammar schools are well off - far from it. The bus that we thought had been axed actually picks up from the local authority estate in Lane End. We do not own a 4x4 nor do we have the option to drive our son to school, as we have to go to work. We live 4 miles away, are not entitled to free transport to JH as it is not our local school. However we would be entitled to free transport to Cressex (our local school), but there is no bus - we lose on all counts and have to pay £71pm just for a place on a coach to go 8miles round trip 5 times a week. giraffehouse13
  • Score: 15

7:15pm Wed 3 Sep 14

MunsterX says...

Giraffe,

It matters not that the £71 may be difficult for some to find, but that the headteacher may fill his vehicle each week at the school's expense.

Today, the role of headteacher is a sinecure, to be fulfilled in a lofty and imperious manner, without a shred of contrition.
Giraffe, It matters not that the £71 may be difficult for some to find, but that the headteacher may fill his vehicle each week at the school's expense. Today, the role of headteacher is a sinecure, to be fulfilled in a lofty and imperious manner, without a shred of contrition. MunsterX
  • Score: -2

8:26pm Wed 3 Sep 14

speaker says...

Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
Some people saw this coming however - John Hampden headmaster Stephen Noakes said last month that he would be “very surprised” if the council forged ahead with the original proposals. (See: http://www.bucksfree

press.co.uk/educatio

n/news/11355735.Head

teacher_would_be__su

rprised__if_school_t

ransport_plan_goes_a

head/) and ‘ParentsPower’ said
Ashwood Travel are offering 5 routes to the RGS starting in September. They plan to offer more routes in January once the planned changes go ahead. I saw a previous comment asking for an email address. It is tom@ashwoodtravel.co


.uk
They have reportedly received a lot of support from parents, including myself, and are offering their services for the same prices as Bucks.


Thank God that so many pupils at the grammar schools are from out-of-area and have well-off parents who can take them to school in the 4 Wheel Drive – once again a philanthropic gesture by themac towards the less well- off.
Selective schools are based on intellect and effort , not on parents income.
Stupid comment.
[quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: Some people saw this coming however - John Hampden headmaster Stephen Noakes said last month that he would be “very surprised” if the council forged ahead with the original proposals. (See: http://www.bucksfree press.co.uk/educatio n/news/11355735.Head teacher_would_be__su rprised__if_school_t ransport_plan_goes_a head/) and ‘ParentsPower’ said[italic] Ashwood Travel are offering 5 routes to the RGS starting in September. They plan to offer more routes in January once the planned changes go ahead. I saw a previous comment asking for an email address. It is tom@ashwoodtravel.co .uk They have reportedly received a lot of support from parents, including myself, and are offering their services for the same prices as Bucks. [/italic] Thank God that so many pupils at the grammar schools are from out-of-area and have well-off parents who can take them to school in the 4 Wheel Drive – once again a philanthropic gesture by themac towards the less well- off.[/p][/quote]Selective schools are based on intellect and effort , not on parents income. Stupid comment. speaker
  • Score: -1

10:02pm Wed 3 Sep 14

HerculePoirot says...

"Selective schools are based on intellect and effort , not on parents income. Stupid comment". Speaker, if you know your comment is stupid, why did you post it?
Anyway, I agree that the Bucks CC transport system, and much else wrt schools policy round here, is a fiasco.
"Selective schools are based on intellect and effort , not on parents income. Stupid comment". Speaker, if you know your comment is stupid, why did you post it? Anyway, I agree that the Bucks CC transport system, and much else wrt schools policy round here, is a fiasco. HerculePoirot
  • Score: 5

10:06pm Wed 3 Sep 14

jezhaz says...

It's a fact that selective schools "mainly" select pupils that could afford a tutor or private primary school to pass the 11+
It's a fact that selective schools "mainly" select pupils that could afford a tutor or private primary school to pass the 11+ jezhaz
  • Score: -5

10:18pm Wed 3 Sep 14

AnonymousCowardFromBucks says...

The worst thing is that the pricing is a flat rate, irrelevant to distance travelled.

We live 1.8 miles from the school, so technically they should walk, but I'm not happy with my youngest (an 11 year old girl) walking home in the dark down unlit roads (due to council street lighting cutbacks) so we pay for the bus. We pay the same as someone travelling from 10 miles away.

So, we have to pay £570 per year for a round tip of 3.6 miles - divide that by 195 school days and you get a price of 81.2 pence per mile!!!

It is cheaper to drive them there in a 4x4, if one had the time, so no wonder people do. With this new pricing, organisational farces aside, Bucks County Council are actively discouraging the use of public transport.
The worst thing is that the pricing is a flat rate, irrelevant to distance travelled. We live 1.8 miles from the school, so technically they should walk, but I'm not happy with my youngest (an 11 year old girl) walking home in the dark down unlit roads (due to council street lighting cutbacks) so we pay for the bus. We pay the same as someone travelling from 10 miles away. So, we have to pay £570 per year for a round tip of 3.6 miles - divide that by 195 school days and you get a price of 81.2 pence per mile!!! It is cheaper to drive them there in a 4x4, if one had the time, so no wonder people do. With this new pricing, organisational farces aside, Bucks County Council are actively discouraging the use of public transport. AnonymousCowardFromBucks
  • Score: 17

6:36am Thu 4 Sep 14

demoness the second says...

MunsterX wrote:
Euro Yob

Senior management at our local schools switched years ago from running an educational establishment to running a business. Most of the headmasters are porsche driving spivs, who will do anything to justify the sexed up basics.

Transport is the tip of the iceberg, it alone makes the news because it can not be hushed up. There is much more going on though, the grammar schools have weekly cases of pupil self-harm, and numerous teachers on long term sick leave, unable to come to terms with the horrific breakdowns of these teenagers, including mutilations.

It is still the case that only 1% of students worldwide score 45 points in the IB diploma, and the grammar are still pedalling GCSEs, A-Levels and the Cambridge Pre-U, in which each of our local grammar schools has 25% or more with straight A-Grades. Vote with your feet folks, you are being conned.
Where is your evidence for all of these claims?
[quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Euro Yob Senior management at our local schools switched years ago from running an educational establishment to running a business. Most of the headmasters are porsche driving spivs, who will do anything to justify the sexed up basics. Transport is the tip of the iceberg, it alone makes the news because it can not be hushed up. There is much more going on though, the grammar schools have weekly cases of pupil self-harm, and numerous teachers on long term sick leave, unable to come to terms with the horrific breakdowns of these teenagers, including mutilations. It is still the case that only 1% of students worldwide score 45 points in the IB diploma, and the grammar are still pedalling GCSEs, A-Levels and the Cambridge Pre-U, in which each of our local grammar schools has 25% or more with straight A-Grades. Vote with your feet folks, you are being conned.[/p][/quote]Where is your evidence for all of these claims? demoness the second
  • Score: 3

9:47am Thu 4 Sep 14

MunsterX says...

demoness the second wrote:
MunsterX wrote:
Euro Yob

Senior management at our local schools switched years ago from running an educational establishment to running a business. Most of the headmasters are porsche driving spivs, who will do anything to justify the sexed up basics.

Transport is the tip of the iceberg, it alone makes the news because it can not be hushed up. There is much more going on though, the grammar schools have weekly cases of pupil self-harm, and numerous teachers on long term sick leave, unable to come to terms with the horrific breakdowns of these teenagers, including mutilations.

It is still the case that only 1% of students worldwide score 45 points in the IB diploma, and the grammar are still pedalling GCSEs, A-Levels and the Cambridge Pre-U, in which each of our local grammar schools has 25% or more with straight A-Grades. Vote with your feet folks, you are being conned.
Where is your evidence for all of these claims?
Hi Demoness,

I am a parent and count a good number of teachers as friends, I hope that satisfies your enquiry.

Love
Munsty
[quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Euro Yob Senior management at our local schools switched years ago from running an educational establishment to running a business. Most of the headmasters are porsche driving spivs, who will do anything to justify the sexed up basics. Transport is the tip of the iceberg, it alone makes the news because it can not be hushed up. There is much more going on though, the grammar schools have weekly cases of pupil self-harm, and numerous teachers on long term sick leave, unable to come to terms with the horrific breakdowns of these teenagers, including mutilations. It is still the case that only 1% of students worldwide score 45 points in the IB diploma, and the grammar are still pedalling GCSEs, A-Levels and the Cambridge Pre-U, in which each of our local grammar schools has 25% or more with straight A-Grades. Vote with your feet folks, you are being conned.[/p][/quote]Where is your evidence for all of these claims?[/p][/quote]Hi Demoness, I am a parent and count a good number of teachers as friends, I hope that satisfies your enquiry. Love Munsty MunsterX
  • Score: 2

10:26am Thu 4 Sep 14

Bill Taxpayer says...

And what help is anyone getting from Bucks County Council Transport Department? My guess is zero. Whenever I contacted them with a problem they were never the slightest bit interested. Bunch of mindless wastrels.
And what help is anyone getting from Bucks County Council Transport Department? My guess is zero. Whenever I contacted them with a problem they were never the slightest bit interested. Bunch of mindless wastrels. Bill Taxpayer
  • Score: 11

11:44am Thu 4 Sep 14

sparky49 says...

giraffehouse13 wrote:
So eventually last week we received our sons bus pass. Today (Wednesday) we have been notified by Amey that the times of the buses have changed. When we check the timetable the route that our son has been allocated from Lane End has vanished altogether. This is ridiculous - he is due to attend school on Friday and we have no idea where from or at what time. This arrangement is completely unacceptable and getting through to Amey is impossible.
This is what happens when County Councils out source work to contractors rather than do it themselves just to save money. It is watering down the service as the new contractor will be paid less, so you get what you pay for.
It's called PRIVATISATION, Thatchers favourite word.
All school transport should be in house under BCC. They should have their own vehicles and staff, these vehicles could then be used for other work such as for the aged and would be cheaper to operate as BCC would not be paying money out all the time to private bus operators, in fact all the commercial routes should be in house as well, this would mean a drop in fares.
[quote][p][bold]giraffehouse13[/bold] wrote: So eventually last week we received our sons bus pass. Today (Wednesday) we have been notified by Amey that the times of the buses have changed. When we check the timetable the route that our son has been allocated from Lane End has vanished altogether. This is ridiculous - he is due to attend school on Friday and we have no idea where from or at what time. This arrangement is completely unacceptable and getting through to Amey is impossible.[/p][/quote]This is what happens when County Councils out source work to contractors rather than do it themselves just to save money. It is watering down the service as the new contractor will be paid less, so you get what you pay for. It's called PRIVATISATION, Thatchers favourite word. All school transport should be in house under BCC. They should have their own vehicles and staff, these vehicles could then be used for other work such as for the aged and would be cheaper to operate as BCC would not be paying money out all the time to private bus operators, in fact all the commercial routes should be in house as well, this would mean a drop in fares. sparky49
  • Score: 6

11:51am Thu 4 Sep 14

pennman says...

The council really messed up in Penn, telling parents that their girls attending Becky High, would need to travel on their bus service to the Chalfonts on a 1 hour journey, prior to getting to school. A local, private company is now running a rival service, no doubt playing into the council's hands, and the council have decided to revert to the 'old' route, which is a bus straight to Beaconsfield. No doubt, they'll tell us that the council service will be halted due to underuse. And if the private service then doesn't make a profit, they'll cancel that as well, so there'll be more cars on the roads, clogging the place up!
The council really are a bunch of useless muppets, irrespective of your views on 'selection criteria' for schools
The council really messed up in Penn, telling parents that their girls attending Becky High, would need to travel on their bus service to the Chalfonts on a 1 hour journey, prior to getting to school. A local, private company is now running a rival service, no doubt playing into the council's hands, and the council have decided to revert to the 'old' route, which is a bus straight to Beaconsfield. No doubt, they'll tell us that the council service will be halted due to underuse. And if the private service then doesn't make a profit, they'll cancel that as well, so there'll be more cars on the roads, clogging the place up! The council really are a bunch of useless muppets, irrespective of your views on 'selection criteria' for schools pennman
  • Score: 11

3:46pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BucksComment says...

Of course, the closest 2ndry school to Lane End is Cressex, but you would never send your kids there, would you?
Of course, the closest 2ndry school to Lane End is Cressex, but you would never send your kids there, would you? BucksComment
  • Score: 4

5:20pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

speaker wrote:
Undercover Euro Yob wrote: Some people saw this coming however - John Hampden headmaster Stephen Noakes said last month that he would be “very surprised” if the council forged ahead with the original proposals. (See: http://www.bucksfree press.co.uk/educatio n/news/11355735.Head teacher_would_be__su rprised__if_school_t ransport_plan_goes_a head/) and ‘ParentsPower’ said Ashwood Travel are offering 5 routes to the RGS starting in September. They plan to offer more routes in January once the planned changes go ahead. I saw a previous comment asking for an email address. It is tom@ashwoodtravel.co .uk They have reportedly received a lot of support from parents, including myself, and are offering their services for the same prices as Bucks. Thank God that so many pupils at the grammar schools are from out-of-area and have well-off parents who can take them to school in the 4 Wheel Drive – once again a philanthropic gesture by themac towards the less well- off.
Selective schools are based on intellect and effort , not on parents income. Stupid comment.
Yes - of course they are - stupid comment – don’t know why I said it.

Mind you I didn't say they all were – BCC statistics show only about 50% are from out of area and an article in the Observer last year said that in 21012 - 2013 : … the proportion of places won by pupils from Bucks private schools dropped from 21% to 15% (This only refers to Buckinghamshire ) private schools - not private schools from out of-county as well. I am sure that as you say they are all there on the most cold-bloodedly rational and meritocratic grounds, as the result of sheer hard work and sheer brain power.

Mind you we know there is coaching for the exam – the coaches advertise on this site for private school Common Entrance coaching, and 11+ coaching, although Philip Wayne, chairman of the Bucks Grammar Schools Association (and the headmaster-to-be of Wycombe Royal Grammar School) has said in the national and local press that the new improved 11+ tends not to lend itself to coaching. (The supposed coaching –resistance of the 11+ was being stated by others before the new - genuinely - coaching-resistant test was introduced, so the new coaching-resistant test must be ever-so, ever-so, coaching-resistant.) In any case of course the idea that the practice of testing ten-year olds is strange, and lends itself to manipulation is absurd (it just makes you wonder why so many other Conservative authorities have got rid of the 11+ - perhaps Mike Appleyard could write in and explain why ‘selection’ has been got rid of in so many places and why it is so popular here).
In March the Observer wrote a retraction of an earlier article it had written, apparently under the influence of Philip Wayne. The original Observer article had said that: Provisional results indicate that a more diverse selection of pupils passed this test, and headteachers say they feel the change has made a difference.
In its retraction the Observer said: Officially, no exam statistics are available until September, after an appeals process has been completed. and Mr Wayne said in the same article:
"I cannot , therefore, make an informed comment until the process is complete .
This month the appeals process will be finished and Philip Wayne will at last be in a position to finally clarify the issue with tremendous knowledge and authority. No doubt when he does so Mike Appleyard could also clarify the reasons for ‘selection’ - the BFP could do a double- or even triple-page education feature to mark ‘back to school week’.

See:
http://www.theguardi
an.com/theobserver/2
014/mar/08/readers-e
ditor-on-reporting-b
oth-sides-argument
and:
http://www.bucksfree
press.co.uk/news/110
75831.Confusion_over
_national_newspaper_
s_11__report/
and:
http://www.bucksfree
press.co.uk/yoursay/
opinion/yourletters/
11098811.Now_47__pup
ils_are_from_outside
_Bucks/?cmpid=cmt
[quote][p][bold]speaker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: Some people saw this coming however - John Hampden headmaster Stephen Noakes said last month that he would be “very surprised” if the council forged ahead with the original proposals. (See: http://www.bucksfree press.co.uk/educatio n/news/11355735.Head teacher_would_be__su rprised__if_school_t ransport_plan_goes_a head/) and ‘ParentsPower’ said[italic] Ashwood Travel are offering 5 routes to the RGS starting in September. They plan to offer more routes in January once the planned changes go ahead. I saw a previous comment asking for an email address. It is tom@ashwoodtravel.co .uk They have reportedly received a lot of support from parents, including myself, and are offering their services for the same prices as Bucks. [/italic] Thank God that so many pupils at the grammar schools are from out-of-area and have well-off parents who can take them to school in the 4 Wheel Drive – once again a philanthropic gesture by themac towards the less well- off.[/p][/quote]Selective schools are based on intellect and effort , not on parents income. Stupid comment.[/p][/quote]Yes - of course they are - stupid comment – don’t know why I said it. Mind you I didn't say they [italic]all [/italic]were – BCC statistics show only about 50% are from out of area and an article in the Observer last year said that in 21012 - 2013 : [italic] … the proportion of places won by pupils from Bucks private schools dropped from 21% to 15% [/italic] (This only refers to [italic]Buckinghamshire [/italic]) private schools - not private schools from out of-county as well. I am sure that as you say they are all there on the most cold-bloodedly rational and meritocratic grounds, as the result of sheer hard work and sheer brain power. Mind you we know there [italic]is[/italic] coaching for the exam – the coaches advertise on this site for private school Common Entrance coaching, and 11+ coaching, although Philip Wayne, chairman of the Bucks Grammar Schools Association (and the headmaster-to-be of Wycombe Royal Grammar School) has said in the national and local press that the new improved 11+ tends not to lend itself to coaching. (The supposed coaching –resistance of the 11+ was being stated by others before the new - genuinely - coaching-resistant test was introduced, so the[italic] new [/italic]coaching-resistant test must be [italic]ever-so, ever-so, [/italic]coaching-resistant.) In any case of course the idea that the practice of testing ten-year olds is strange, and lends itself to manipulation is absurd (it just makes you wonder why so many other Conservative authorities have got rid of the 11+ - perhaps Mike Appleyard could write in and explain why ‘selection’ has been got rid of in so many places and why it is so popular here). In March the Observer wrote a retraction of an earlier article it had written, apparently under the influence of Philip Wayne. The original Observer article had said that: [italic]Provisional results indicate that a more diverse selection of pupils passed this test, and headteachers say they feel the change has made a difference.[/italic] In its retraction the Observer said: [italic] Officially, no exam statistics are available until September, after an appeals process has been completed. [/italic] and Mr Wayne said in the same article: [italic] "I cannot , therefore, make an informed comment until the process is complete [/italic]. This month the appeals process will be finished and Philip Wayne will at last be in a position to finally clarify the issue with tremendous knowledge and authority. No doubt when he does so Mike Appleyard could also clarify the reasons for ‘selection’ - the BFP could do a double- or even triple-page education feature to mark ‘back to school week’. See: http://www.theguardi an.com/theobserver/2 014/mar/08/readers-e ditor-on-reporting-b oth-sides-argument and: http://www.bucksfree press.co.uk/news/110 75831.Confusion_over _national_newspaper_ s_11__report/ and: http://www.bucksfree press.co.uk/yoursay/ opinion/yourletters/ 11098811.Now_47__pup ils_are_from_outside _Bucks/?cmpid=cmt Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 3

5:25pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

Bartholomew HuckleBerry wrote:
Can anybody recall a single moment where we can actually congratulate or atleast not have been severely left disappointed and dismayed by the inactions or absurd actions b this failed authorities and the individuals that happen to have secure jobs there ? In all honesty I cannot think of single moment or instant where this failed organisation has done anything good for the citizens of this county. Tett you are a disgrace ! You are a useless waste of space and air !
I have said before on here that we are the right-wing equivalent of people in areas in South Wales and elswhere who were run when I was a young man by sometimes corrupt and in practical terms almost unaccountable Labour authorities.

The only way to establish if there is a genuine mandate for some of the policies of BCC would be to conduct a market research-style opinion survey - people like BCC claim their election victory gives them a mandate.
[quote][p][bold]Bartholomew HuckleBerry[/bold] wrote: Can anybody recall a single moment where we can actually congratulate or atleast not have been severely left disappointed and dismayed by the inactions or absurd actions b this failed authorities and the individuals that happen to have secure jobs there ? In all honesty I cannot think of single moment or instant where this failed organisation has done anything good for the citizens of this county. Tett you are a disgrace ! You are a useless waste of space and air ![/p][/quote]I have said before on here that we are the right-wing equivalent of people in areas in South Wales and elswhere who were run when I was a young man by sometimes corrupt and in practical terms almost unaccountable Labour authorities. The only way to establish if there is a genuine mandate for some of the policies of BCC would be to conduct a market research-style opinion survey - people like BCC claim their election victory gives them a mandate. Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 1

5:35pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

sparky49 wrote:
giraffehouse13 wrote: So eventually last week we received our sons bus pass. Today (Wednesday) we have been notified by Amey that the times of the buses have changed. When we check the timetable the route that our son has been allocated from Lane End has vanished altogether. This is ridiculous - he is due to attend school on Friday and we have no idea where from or at what time. This arrangement is completely unacceptable and getting through to Amey is impossible.
This is what happens when County Councils out source work to contractors rather than do it themselves just to save money. It is watering down the service as the new contractor will be paid less, so you get what you pay for. It's called PRIVATISATION, Thatchers favourite word. All school transport should be in house under BCC. They should have their own vehicles and staff, these vehicles could then be used for other work such as for the aged and would be cheaper to operate as BCC would not be paying money out all the time to private bus operators, in fact all the commercial routes should be in house as well, this would mean a drop in fares.
The only people who undoubtedly benefitted from privatisation were the financial sector in the city who sold the public patrimony to themselves at knockdown prices and then sold it on at the real price for an enormous instantaneous gain.

It is being kept going in Bucks for the same reason educational 'selection' is kept going - it's just a part of the brand.

See: http://www.theguardi
an.com/politics/2014
/aug/22/sale-of-cent
ury-privatisation-sc
am
[quote][p][bold]sparky49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]giraffehouse13[/bold] wrote: So eventually last week we received our sons bus pass. Today (Wednesday) we have been notified by Amey that the times of the buses have changed. When we check the timetable the route that our son has been allocated from Lane End has vanished altogether. This is ridiculous - he is due to attend school on Friday and we have no idea where from or at what time. This arrangement is completely unacceptable and getting through to Amey is impossible.[/p][/quote]This is what happens when County Councils out source work to contractors rather than do it themselves just to save money. It is watering down the service as the new contractor will be paid less, so you get what you pay for. It's called PRIVATISATION, Thatchers favourite word. All school transport should be in house under BCC. They should have their own vehicles and staff, these vehicles could then be used for other work such as for the aged and would be cheaper to operate as BCC would not be paying money out all the time to private bus operators, in fact all the commercial routes should be in house as well, this would mean a drop in fares.[/p][/quote]The only people who undoubtedly benefitted from privatisation were the financial sector in the city who sold the public patrimony to themselves at knockdown prices and then sold it on at the real price for an enormous instantaneous gain. It is being kept going in Bucks for the same reason educational 'selection' is kept going - it's just a part of the brand. See: http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /aug/22/sale-of-cent ury-privatisation-sc am Undercover Euro Yob
  • Score: 0

5:44pm Thu 4 Sep 14

mistamina says...

Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
Some people saw this coming however - John Hampden headmaster Stephen Noakes said last month that he would be “very surprised” if the council forged ahead with the original proposals. (See: http://www.bucksfree

press.co.uk/educatio

n/news/11355735.Head

teacher_would_be__su

rprised__if_school_t

ransport_plan_goes_a

head/) and ‘ParentsPower’ said
Ashwood Travel are offering 5 routes to the RGS starting in September. They plan to offer more routes in January once the planned changes go ahead. I saw a previous comment asking for an email address. It is tom@ashwoodtravel.co


.uk
They have reportedly received a lot of support from parents, including myself, and are offering their services for the same prices as Bucks.


Thank God that so many pupils at the grammar schools are from out-of-area and have well-off parents who can take them to school in the 4 Wheel Drive – once again a philanthropic gesture by themac towards the less well- off.
This is concerning
''so many pupils at the grammar schools are from out-of-area and have well-off parents who can take them to school....once again a philanthropic gesture by themac towards the less well- off.''

Bucks County Council has always eluded that we have the best education in the UK! Yet, I keep reading of problems arising from our Selection System.
What is the TRUTH?
[quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: Some people saw this coming however - John Hampden headmaster Stephen Noakes said last month that he would be “very surprised” if the council forged ahead with the original proposals. (See: http://www.bucksfree press.co.uk/educatio n/news/11355735.Head teacher_would_be__su rprised__if_school_t ransport_plan_goes_a head/) and ‘ParentsPower’ said[italic] Ashwood Travel are offering 5 routes to the RGS starting in September. They plan to offer more routes in January once the planned changes go ahead. I saw a previous comment asking for an email address. It is tom@ashwoodtravel.co .uk They have reportedly received a lot of support from parents, including myself, and are offering their services for the same prices as Bucks. [/italic] Thank God that so many pupils at the grammar schools are from out-of-area and have well-off parents who can take them to school in the 4 Wheel Drive – once again a philanthropic gesture by themac towards the less well- off.[/p][/quote]This is concerning ''so many pupils at the grammar schools are from out-of-area and have well-off parents who can take them to school....once again a philanthropic gesture by themac towards the less well- off.'' Bucks County Council has always eluded that we have the best education in the UK! Yet, I keep reading of problems arising from our Selection System. What is the TRUTH? mistamina
  • Score: 3

5:51pm Thu 4 Sep 14

mistamina says...

Bartholomew HuckleBerry wrote:
Can anybody recall a single moment where we can actually congratulate or atleast not have been severely left disappointed and dismayed by the inactions or absurd actions b this failed authorities and the individuals that happen to have secure jobs there ?
In all honesty I cannot think of single moment or instant where this failed organisation has done anything good for the citizens of this county. Tett you are a disgrace ! You are a useless waste of space and air !
It really is time for change.
We need a much more knowledgeable bunch of Politicians, current lot keep being caught with their pants down. It is not good enough to 'put your thinking cap on' after the problem has been highlighted by third parties - most time innocent parties.
Officers need to be sharper, harder working, accountable and have transparent system. Apologies are cheap, ask Blair.
[quote][p][bold]Bartholomew HuckleBerry[/bold] wrote: Can anybody recall a single moment where we can actually congratulate or atleast not have been severely left disappointed and dismayed by the inactions or absurd actions b this failed authorities and the individuals that happen to have secure jobs there ? In all honesty I cannot think of single moment or instant where this failed organisation has done anything good for the citizens of this county. Tett you are a disgrace ! You are a useless waste of space and air ![/p][/quote]It really is time for change. We need a much more knowledgeable bunch of Politicians, current lot keep being caught with their pants down. It is not good enough to 'put your thinking cap on' after the problem has been highlighted by third parties - most time innocent parties. Officers need to be sharper, harder working, accountable and have transparent system. Apologies are cheap, ask Blair. mistamina
  • Score: 1

6:17pm Thu 4 Sep 14

mistamina says...

Undercover Euro Yob wrote:
Bartholomew HuckleBerry wrote:
Can anybody recall a single moment where we can actually congratulate or atleast not have been severely left disappointed and dismayed by the inactions or absurd actions b this failed authorities and the individuals that happen to have secure jobs there ? In all honesty I cannot think of single moment or instant where this failed organisation has done anything good for the citizens of this county. Tett you are a disgrace ! You are a useless waste of space and air !
I have said before on here that we are the right-wing equivalent of people in areas in South Wales and elswhere who were run when I was a young man by sometimes corrupt and in practical terms almost unaccountable Labour authorities.

The only way to establish if there is a genuine mandate for some of the policies of BCC would be to conduct a market research-style opinion survey - people like BCC claim their election victory gives them a mandate.
I would like to see a genuine market research-style opinion survey.
Not spin though!
[quote][p][bold]Undercover Euro Yob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bartholomew HuckleBerry[/bold] wrote: Can anybody recall a single moment where we can actually congratulate or atleast not have been severely left disappointed and dismayed by the inactions or absurd actions b this failed authorities and the individuals that happen to have secure jobs there ? In all honesty I cannot think of single moment or instant where this failed organisation has done anything good for the citizens of this county. Tett you are a disgrace ! You are a useless waste of space and air ![/p][/quote]I have said before on here that we are the right-wing equivalent of people in areas in South Wales and elswhere who were run when I was a young man by sometimes corrupt and in practical terms almost unaccountable Labour authorities. The only way to establish if there is a genuine mandate for some of the policies of BCC would be to conduct a market research-style opinion survey - people like BCC claim their election victory gives them a mandate.[/p][/quote]I would like to see a genuine market research-style opinion survey. Not spin though! mistamina
  • Score: 1

6:20pm Thu 4 Sep 14

mistamina says...

BucksComment wrote:
Of course, the closest 2ndry school to Lane End is Cressex, but you would never send your kids there, would you?
Cressex was graded a @Good' by Ofsted, very recently.
One of the only 2 secondary moderns to get this. all other secondary moderns are either in Requires Improvements or Special measures.
[quote][p][bold]BucksComment[/bold] wrote: Of course, the closest 2ndry school to Lane End is Cressex, but you would never send your kids there, would you?[/p][/quote]Cressex was graded a @Good' by Ofsted, very recently. One of the only 2 secondary moderns to get this. all other secondary moderns are either in Requires Improvements or Special measures. mistamina
  • Score: -3

10:26pm Thu 4 Sep 14

MunsterX says...

Mistamina

You asked for the truth.

Admissions were once administered from start to finish by BCC, they prepared the test, marked the papers and awarded places to those with the best scores. Today BCC continue to prepare and mark the test, but the places are awarded by the grammar schools themselves, so the grammar schools now have the admission authority.

There is one grammar school in the area where over half of each year group is filled with boys from families with strong connections with our two local rugby union clubs, one professional, the other amateur, and others associated with the sport of rugby: referees, administrators etc. The headteacher of the school is a weak character and allows mob rule on admissions decisions from the school's sports departments.

At another school the headteacher is in the thick of the admissions process, using a social networking approach to admissions. There are lots of steady performers at this school; the very bright kept out, the network kept happy.

The folly of the admissions process at both schools is never scrutinised for the simple reason that our GSCE and A-Level system is handing out top grades for mediocre academic performances. What is more, many of the grades are now determined by a blend of end of year exams and course work marked by staff throughout the year. It is amazing how the captain of the rugby team coasts to an A in Physics, yet in the classroom can not remember the symbol for a bulb in a circuit diagram.

Corruption all the way, I am afraid to say.
Mistamina You asked for the truth. Admissions were once administered from start to finish by BCC, they prepared the test, marked the papers and awarded places to those with the best scores. Today BCC continue to prepare and mark the test, but the places are awarded by the grammar schools themselves, so the grammar schools now have the admission authority. There is one grammar school in the area where over half of each year group is filled with boys from families with strong connections with our two local rugby union clubs, one professional, the other amateur, and others associated with the sport of rugby: referees, administrators etc. The headteacher of the school is a weak character and allows mob rule on admissions decisions from the school's sports departments. At another school the headteacher is in the thick of the admissions process, using a social networking approach to admissions. There are lots of steady performers at this school; the very bright kept out, the network kept happy. The folly of the admissions process at both schools is never scrutinised for the simple reason that our GSCE and A-Level system is handing out top grades for mediocre academic performances. What is more, many of the grades are now determined by a blend of end of year exams and course work marked by staff throughout the year. It is amazing how the captain of the rugby team coasts to an A in Physics, yet in the classroom can not remember the symbol for a bulb in a circuit diagram. Corruption all the way, I am afraid to say. MunsterX
  • Score: 3

10:38pm Thu 4 Sep 14

BucksCCtheincapable says...

AnonymousCowardFromB
ucks says

We live 1.8 miles from the school, so technically they should walk, but I'm not happy with my youngest (an 11 year old girl) walking home in the dark down unlit roads (due to council street lighting cutbacks) so we pay for the bus. We pay the same as someone travelling from 10 miles away.

As you are probably aware this is in breach of the Home to School Transport policy. One would thing that since the recent OFSTED findings Bucks CC would think twice before endangering childrens' lives but unfortunately this bunch really don't seem to give a ****.

The only way you can get them to see sense is to take them court. Unfortunately this is how the Council like to waste taxpayers money.
AnonymousCowardFromB ucks says We live 1.8 miles from the school, so technically they should walk, but I'm not happy with my youngest (an 11 year old girl) walking home in the dark down unlit roads (due to council street lighting cutbacks) so we pay for the bus. We pay the same as someone travelling from 10 miles away. As you are probably aware this is in breach of the Home to School Transport policy. One would thing that since the recent OFSTED findings Bucks CC would think twice before endangering childrens' lives but unfortunately this bunch really don't seem to give a ****. The only way you can get them to see sense is to take them court. Unfortunately this is how the Council like to waste taxpayers money. BucksCCtheincapable
  • Score: 2

9:21am Fri 5 Sep 14

mistamina says...

BucksCCtheincapable wrote:
AnonymousCowardFromB

ucks says

We live 1.8 miles from the school, so technically they should walk, but I'm not happy with my youngest (an 11 year old girl) walking home in the dark down unlit roads (due to council street lighting cutbacks) so we pay for the bus. We pay the same as someone travelling from 10 miles away.

As you are probably aware this is in breach of the Home to School Transport policy. One would thing that since the recent OFSTED findings Bucks CC would think twice before endangering childrens' lives but unfortunately this bunch really don't seem to give a ****.

The only way you can get them to see sense is to take them court. Unfortunately this is how the Council like to waste taxpayers money.
You are not alone, i am aware of another family that has very similar Safeguarding issues. i can put you two in touch with each other, but i do not know how.
[quote][p][bold]BucksCCtheincapable[/bold] wrote: AnonymousCowardFromB ucks says We live 1.8 miles from the school, so technically they should walk, but I'm not happy with my youngest (an 11 year old girl) walking home in the dark down unlit roads (due to council street lighting cutbacks) so we pay for the bus. We pay the same as someone travelling from 10 miles away. As you are probably aware this is in breach of the Home to School Transport policy. One would thing that since the recent OFSTED findings Bucks CC would think twice before endangering childrens' lives but unfortunately this bunch really don't seem to give a ****. The only way you can get them to see sense is to take them court. Unfortunately this is how the Council like to waste taxpayers money.[/p][/quote]You are not alone, i am aware of another family that has very similar Safeguarding issues. i can put you two in touch with each other, but i do not know how. mistamina
  • Score: 1

9:38am Fri 5 Sep 14

mistamina says...

Bartholomew HuckleBerry wrote:
Can anybody recall a single moment where we can actually congratulate or atleast not have been severely left disappointed and dismayed by the inactions or absurd actions b this failed authorities and the individuals that happen to have secure jobs there ?
In all honesty I cannot think of single moment or instant where this failed organisation has done anything good for the citizens of this county. Tett you are a disgrace ! You are a useless waste of space and air !
Huckle: http://www.bucksfree
press.co.uk/news/114
53619.48_Bucks_schoo
ls_unable_to_provide
_Government_s_free_h
ot_dinners/?action=s
uccess#comments
[quote][p][bold]Bartholomew HuckleBerry[/bold] wrote: Can anybody recall a single moment where we can actually congratulate or atleast not have been severely left disappointed and dismayed by the inactions or absurd actions b this failed authorities and the individuals that happen to have secure jobs there ? In all honesty I cannot think of single moment or instant where this failed organisation has done anything good for the citizens of this county. Tett you are a disgrace ! You are a useless waste of space and air ![/p][/quote]Huckle: http://www.bucksfree press.co.uk/news/114 53619.48_Bucks_schoo ls_unable_to_provide _Government_s_free_h ot_dinners/?action=s uccess#comments mistamina
  • Score: -1

11:53am Fri 5 Sep 14

mistamina says...

MunsterX wrote:
Mistamina

You asked for the truth.

Admissions were once administered from start to finish by BCC, they prepared the test, marked the papers and awarded places to those with the best scores. Today BCC continue to prepare and mark the test, but the places are awarded by the grammar schools themselves, so the grammar schools now have the admission authority.

There is one grammar school in the area where over half of each year group is filled with boys from families with strong connections with our two local rugby union clubs, one professional, the other amateur, and others associated with the sport of rugby: referees, administrators etc. The headteacher of the school is a weak character and allows mob rule on admissions decisions from the school's sports departments.

At another school the headteacher is in the thick of the admissions process, using a social networking approach to admissions. There are lots of steady performers at this school; the very bright kept out, the network kept happy.

The folly of the admissions process at both schools is never scrutinised for the simple reason that our GSCE and A-Level system is handing out top grades for mediocre academic performances. What is more, many of the grades are now determined by a blend of end of year exams and course work marked by staff throughout the year. It is amazing how the captain of the rugby team coasts to an A in Physics, yet in the classroom can not remember the symbol for a bulb in a circuit diagram.

Corruption all the way, I am afraid to say.
MunsterX,
Stunning! If only half of what you say is right, this is still stunning.
Where to start, Grammar Schools admissions are handled by themselves! I know this is a fact, because these are Gove's Academies. But there must be safeguards, checks and balances in place, otherwise this is an open door to corruption, they are only human!
We have just seen similar things investigated following a whislteblower in Birmingham.
On academic performance, I do agree with you. We pass or fail all Bucks children at age 10, we are told, this is so we get the best kids in Bucks. BUT ALL WE GET IS MEDIOCRE RESULTS, at low level exams, in fact the same exams that the kids whichfailed the 11+ take; so why waste the high achieving kids talents?

All this needs investigating. but who and how?
[quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Mistamina You asked for the truth. Admissions were once administered from start to finish by BCC, they prepared the test, marked the papers and awarded places to those with the best scores. Today BCC continue to prepare and mark the test, but the places are awarded by the grammar schools themselves, so the grammar schools now have the admission authority. There is one grammar school in the area where over half of each year group is filled with boys from families with strong connections with our two local rugby union clubs, one professional, the other amateur, and others associated with the sport of rugby: referees, administrators etc. The headteacher of the school is a weak character and allows mob rule on admissions decisions from the school's sports departments. At another school the headteacher is in the thick of the admissions process, using a social networking approach to admissions. There are lots of steady performers at this school; the very bright kept out, the network kept happy. The folly of the admissions process at both schools is never scrutinised for the simple reason that our GSCE and A-Level system is handing out top grades for mediocre academic performances. What is more, many of the grades are now determined by a blend of end of year exams and course work marked by staff throughout the year. It is amazing how the captain of the rugby team coasts to an A in Physics, yet in the classroom can not remember the symbol for a bulb in a circuit diagram. Corruption all the way, I am afraid to say.[/p][/quote]MunsterX, Stunning! If only half of what you say is right, this is still stunning. Where to start, Grammar Schools admissions are handled by themselves! I know this is a fact, because these are Gove's Academies. But there must be safeguards, checks and balances in place, otherwise this is an open door to corruption, they are only human! We have just seen similar things investigated following a whislteblower in Birmingham. On academic performance, I do agree with you. We pass or fail all Bucks children at age 10, we are told, this is so we get the best kids in Bucks. BUT ALL WE GET IS MEDIOCRE RESULTS, at low level exams, in fact the same exams that the kids whichfailed the 11+ take; so why waste the high achieving kids talents? All this needs investigating. but who and how? mistamina
  • Score: 0

1:32pm Fri 5 Sep 14

BucksCCtheincapable says...

To Mitsamania and Anonymous Coward from Bucks

I am aware that there are currently many legal cases taking action against Bucks CC and their failure in providing the correct Education and Support (Transport) for our children.

I would be happy to pass on the details of the solicitor who is very used to dealing with those at County Hall who do not abide by the law.
To Mitsamania and Anonymous Coward from Bucks I am aware that there are currently many legal cases taking action against Bucks CC and their failure in providing the correct Education and Support (Transport) for our children. I would be happy to pass on the details of the solicitor who is very used to dealing with those at County Hall who do not abide by the law. BucksCCtheincapable
  • Score: 1

2:03pm Fri 5 Sep 14

MunsterX says...

Hi Mistamina

The poet Horace once suggested that a wise man should not be suprised by anything. Human nature is at the heart of the debate; we do much for those we love.

So grammar schools, and public schools, are operating as hegemonies. The two systems differ: the former must be subtle under public scrutiny, the latter less so, as to speak out is ostracism.

As you say, the examination system in our country does fail top academic talent, who sit the same examination as our next generation of cleaners and road sweepers.

Handing admission authority back to BCC does not require an investigation.
Hi Mistamina The poet Horace once suggested that a wise man should not be suprised by anything. Human nature is at the heart of the debate; we do much for those we love. So grammar schools, and public schools, are operating as hegemonies. The two systems differ: the former must be subtle under public scrutiny, the latter less so, as to speak out is ostracism. As you say, the examination system in our country does fail top academic talent, who sit the same examination as our next generation of cleaners and road sweepers. Handing admission authority back to BCC does not require an investigation. MunsterX
  • Score: 2

2:23pm Fri 5 Sep 14

MunsterX says...

BucksCCtheincapable wrote:
To Mitsamania and Anonymous Coward from Bucks

I am aware that there are currently many legal cases taking action against Bucks CC and their failure in providing the correct Education and Support (Transport) for our children.

I would be happy to pass on the details of the solicitor who is very used to dealing with those at County Hall who do not abide by the law.
BucksCCtheincapable

I believe I know of this solicitor. The person is an oaf whose lost a living in a specialist field because of changes to the legal aid system, and now purports to be a subject matter expert in this new field.

Any parent looking to bring action against BCC would be far better off representing himself, the recent case history does mean that your grievance would be heard by a sympathetic judge, experienced in the field and aware of recent rulings.

Save your cash, and give this monkey a wide berth.
[quote][p][bold]BucksCCtheincapable[/bold] wrote: To Mitsamania and Anonymous Coward from Bucks I am aware that there are currently many legal cases taking action against Bucks CC and their failure in providing the correct Education and Support (Transport) for our children. I would be happy to pass on the details of the solicitor who is very used to dealing with those at County Hall who do not abide by the law.[/p][/quote]BucksCCtheincapable I believe I know of this solicitor. The person is an oaf whose lost a living in a specialist field because of changes to the legal aid system, and now purports to be a subject matter expert in this new field. Any parent looking to bring action against BCC would be far better off representing himself, the recent case history does mean that your grievance would be heard by a sympathetic judge, experienced in the field and aware of recent rulings. Save your cash, and give this monkey a wide berth. MunsterX
  • Score: 0

3:34pm Fri 5 Sep 14

jayeatman says...

MunsterX wrote:
Euro Yob

Senior management at our local schools switched years ago from running an educational establishment to running a business. Most of the headmasters are porsche driving spivs, who will do anything to justify the sexed up basics.

Transport is the tip of the iceberg, it alone makes the news because it can not be hushed up. There is much more going on though, the grammar schools have weekly cases of pupil self-harm, and numerous teachers on long term sick leave, unable to come to terms with the horrific breakdowns of these teenagers, including mutilations.

It is still the case that only 1% of students worldwide score 45 points in the IB diploma, and the grammar are still pedalling GCSEs, A-Levels and the Cambridge Pre-U, in which each of our local grammar schools has 25% or more with straight A-Grades. Vote with your feet folks, you are being conned.
'Porsche Driving Spivs'. Give me a break! All the head teachers I have had experience of have been incredibly hard working and dedicated. Head teachers have had no input at all to the chaos over school transport. Had they have done, it might not be so bad. You may have a point about grade inflation but in a centrally imposed grades driven environment what else do you expect?
[quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Euro Yob Senior management at our local schools switched years ago from running an educational establishment to running a business. Most of the headmasters are porsche driving spivs, who will do anything to justify the sexed up basics. Transport is the tip of the iceberg, it alone makes the news because it can not be hushed up. There is much more going on though, the grammar schools have weekly cases of pupil self-harm, and numerous teachers on long term sick leave, unable to come to terms with the horrific breakdowns of these teenagers, including mutilations. It is still the case that only 1% of students worldwide score 45 points in the IB diploma, and the grammar are still pedalling GCSEs, A-Levels and the Cambridge Pre-U, in which each of our local grammar schools has 25% or more with straight A-Grades. Vote with your feet folks, you are being conned.[/p][/quote]'Porsche Driving Spivs'. Give me a break! All the head teachers I have had experience of have been incredibly hard working and dedicated. Head teachers have had no input at all to the chaos over school transport. Had they have done, it might not be so bad. You may have a point about grade inflation but in a centrally imposed grades driven environment what else do you expect? jayeatman
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4:12pm Fri 5 Sep 14

MunsterX says...

Jayeatman, your experience of head teachers is perhaps a little dated.

To say that head teachers have no involvement in school transport is naive. There are all manner of negotiations between school and council many months before BCC announces such changes, the show of surprise by a head teacher at such an announcement is entirely false.

A "centrally imposed grades driven environment" has been with us for sixty years, but grade inflation only 25. Results went down as well as up in the 60's 70's and 80's; 5-10 students at each grammar school with 3 A Grades at A-Level, only a handful with 4 A Grades in an entire county, with 5 A Grades a feat of national recognition.

The solution did once work, and you my good friend are talking complete b@llocks.
Jayeatman, your experience of head teachers is perhaps a little dated. To say that head teachers have no involvement in school transport is naive. There are all manner of negotiations between school and council many months before BCC announces such changes, the show of surprise by a head teacher at such an announcement is entirely false. A "centrally imposed grades driven environment" has been with us for sixty years, but grade inflation only 25. Results went down as well as up in the 60's 70's and 80's; 5-10 students at each grammar school with 3 A Grades at A-Level, only a handful with 4 A Grades in an entire county, with 5 A Grades a feat of national recognition. The solution did once work, and you my good friend are talking complete b@llocks. MunsterX
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2:22pm Sat 6 Sep 14

Undercover Euro Yob says...

MunsterX wrote:
BucksCCtheincapable wrote: To Mitsamania and Anonymous Coward from Bucks I am aware that there are currently many legal cases taking action against Bucks CC and their failure in providing the correct Education and Support (Transport) for our children. I would be happy to pass on the details of the solicitor who is very used to dealing with those at County Hall who do not abide by the law.
BucksCCtheincapable I believe I know of this solicitor. The person is an oaf whose lost a living in a specialist field because of changes to the legal aid system, and now purports to be a subject matter expert in this new field. Any parent looking to bring action against BCC would be far better off representing himself, the recent case history does mean that your grievance would be heard by a sympathetic judge, experienced in the field and aware of recent rulings. Save your cash, and give this monkey a wide berth.
I would be interested if BCCti could tell us where to find details of these cases that are in the public domain.
[quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BucksCCtheincapable[/bold] wrote: To Mitsamania and Anonymous Coward from Bucks I am aware that there are currently many legal cases taking action against Bucks CC and their failure in providing the correct Education and Support (Transport) for our children. I would be happy to pass on the details of the solicitor who is very used to dealing with those at County Hall who do not abide by the law.[/p][/quote]BucksCCtheincapable I believe I know of this solicitor. The person is an oaf whose lost a living in a specialist field because of changes to the legal aid system, and now purports to be a subject matter expert in this new field. Any parent looking to bring action against BCC would be far better off representing himself, the recent case history does mean that your grievance would be heard by a sympathetic judge, experienced in the field and aware of recent rulings. Save your cash, and give this monkey a wide berth.[/p][/quote]I would be interested if BCCti could tell us where to find details of these cases that are in the public domain. Undercover Euro Yob
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5:51pm Sun 7 Sep 14

BucksCCtheincapable says...

To Undercover Euro Yob

Yes I agree it would be very interesting for Bucks CC to list these cases brought against them. The Council thrives on it's secrecy and lack of transparency. It is very difficult for a parent to find out the details of other parents who are going through the same issues with the Council as obviously the council realise that our cases would be a lot stronger if we took action as a group. I would hate to think how much this council are wasting in tax payers money also as they appear to hire temporary barristers!
To Undercover Euro Yob Yes I agree it would be very interesting for Bucks CC to list these cases brought against them. The Council thrives on it's secrecy and lack of transparency. It is very difficult for a parent to find out the details of other parents who are going through the same issues with the Council as obviously the council realise that our cases would be a lot stronger if we took action as a group. I would hate to think how much this council are wasting in tax payers money also as they appear to hire temporary barristers! BucksCCtheincapable
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10:55pm Sun 7 Sep 14

Mark69 says...

MunsterX wrote:
Jayeatman, your experience of head teachers is perhaps a little dated.

To say that head teachers have no involvement in school transport is naive. There are all manner of negotiations between school and council many months before BCC announces such changes, the show of surprise by a head teacher at such an announcement is entirely false.

A "centrally imposed grades driven environment" has been with us for sixty years, but grade inflation only 25. Results went down as well as up in the 60's 70's and 80's; 5-10 students at each grammar school with 3 A Grades at A-Level, only a handful with 4 A Grades in an entire county, with 5 A Grades a feat of national recognition.

The solution did once work, and you my good friend are talking complete b@llocks.
........and that comes from someone who would know!
[quote][p][bold]MunsterX[/bold] wrote: Jayeatman, your experience of head teachers is perhaps a little dated. To say that head teachers have no involvement in school transport is naive. There are all manner of negotiations between school and council many months before BCC announces such changes, the show of surprise by a head teacher at such an announcement is entirely false. A "centrally imposed grades driven environment" has been with us for sixty years, but grade inflation only 25. Results went down as well as up in the 60's 70's and 80's; 5-10 students at each grammar school with 3 A Grades at A-Level, only a handful with 4 A Grades in an entire county, with 5 A Grades a feat of national recognition. The solution did once work, and you my good friend are talking complete b@llocks.[/p][/quote]........and that comes from someone who would know! Mark69
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11:32am Mon 8 Sep 14

mistamina says...

jezhaz wrote:
It's a fact that selective schools "mainly" select pupils that could afford a tutor or private primary school to pass the 11+
This fact is recognised by all governments. Look up Ministers clear statements.
Jezhaz, why are you getting so many thumbs down?
[quote][p][bold]jezhaz[/bold] wrote: It's a fact that selective schools "mainly" select pupils that could afford a tutor or private primary school to pass the 11+[/p][/quote]This fact is recognised by all governments. Look up Ministers clear statements. Jezhaz, why are you getting so many thumbs down? mistamina
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