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Muslim centre responds to report claims

9:26am Thursday 1st November 2007

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AN education centre has responded to claims in a report that it was selling "extremist literature".

Researchers who visited the Muslim Education Centre in Totteridge Drive, High Wycombe, during a year-long study say they found seven examples of extremist literature.

The claims were published in a report called 'The Hijacking of British Islam - How extremist literature is subverting mosques in the UK', by the right-wing think tank Policy Exchange.

THE Muslim Education Centre has now issued a statement in response to the report.

It reads: "We have had an opportunity to look at the report produced by the right-wing 'think tank' Policy Exchange and the article in The Times . Before commenting on the contents, it is worth noting that this document is just the latest in a line of attacks by Policy Exchange on mainstream Muslim organisation (sic). They are clearly intent on using the media to further their divisive agenda to create sectarianism amongst law abiding British Muslims.

"The Muslim Education Centre views the Policy Exchange's latest offering as another divisive attempt to drive a wedge between British Muslims and the rest of society. The MEC strongly condemns fundamentalism and does not tolerate any messages of hate nor do we promote or accept such actions, whatever its source.

"The MEC would like to mention the statement issued by Dr. Muhammed Abdul Bari, Secretary-General of the Muslim Council of Britain: Today's report lists extracts from a number of books on sale in some Muslim bookshops which they deem to be unacceptable. The plain fact is that if you deliberately go looking for controversial material then you will be guaranteed to find it somewhere in a bookshop. Muslim bookshops are no exception. Yet tellingly, it is only Muslim bookshops and institutions that Policy Exchange calls to be regulated. British Muslims will not be intimidated by these futile and irresponsible recommendations.' "A further substantiation of the above statement is that the so called 'think tank' failed to notice or mention a book titled 'The women of Paradise' published by the same Publishing House shelved by the book mentioned in 'The Times'.

"Regarding the book itself every statement that has been mentioned about the book has been referred out of context and nothing of any illegal nature is mentioned. It is merely a guide as to how one should live, and then it has been left up to the individual to accept or reject it. A book cannot be judged merely by a few quotes.

"Every book shop holds some sort of controversial material to which no one cries out to remove such materials off the shelf and does not necessary (sic) mean that that the book seller or the organisation hold such views. The report itself concedes it should also be emphasised that the discovery of offensive material at a specific institution should in no way be taken to mean that that institution necessarily condones, permits or encourages such literature'.

"Even religious works go against the Laws of this Country such as the Bible, Torah, and Quran etc., but it has been left to an individual to be the judge.

"The Muslim Education does not promote anything other than a cohesive and tolerant society. We strenuously highlight that views should not be taken out of context for any agenda, so that they increase the prevalent evil of Islamaphobia.

"We must all unite to fight any individual, organisations or bodies, including the camouflaged think tanks that are trying to cause discord with the harmonious Muslim community."


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Gordon, Marlow says...
11:58am Thu 1 Nov 07

A load of aggressive bluster from the Muslim Centre but, crucially, absolutely no denial that they peddle extremist literature.

Message to these people - we don't want extremists in our community. We don't want your hate literature. Why don't you go and live in a cave in Afghanistan with Bin Laden?

phisch21, Chalfonts says...
12:07pm Thu 1 Nov 07

"We must all unite to fight any individual, organisations or bodies, including the camouflaged think tanks that are trying to cause discord with the harmonious Muslim community."

Fight? I thought Islam was a religion of peace and tolerance.

m, Wycombe says...
1:13pm Thu 1 Nov 07

"We must all unite to fight any individual, organisations or bodies, including the camouflaged think tanks that are trying to cause discord with the harmonious Muslim community."

Fight? I thought Islam was a religion of peace and tolerance.

If you had ever gone to school you would have realised that the word "fight" in this contexr means to overcome. It does not in any way suggest that they want to "beat the hell out of..."
There are going to be some people out there who are hell bent on hating Islam and regardless of what you tell them they have already made up their minds. I'm not a muslim myself, but after spending some time with a few and reading up about what they really stand for I find some of the comments I see in the media to be very ignorant. Please people, see the real picture before you form an opinion. We all know that media (like most organisations) is out to make money and they will publish whatever sells - even if it's not the whole story.

m, Wycombe says...
1:30pm Thu 1 Nov 07

"We must all unite to fight any individual, organisations or bodies, including the camouflaged think tanks that are trying to cause discord with the harmonious Muslim community."

Fight? I thought Islam was a religion of peace and tolerance.


A classic example of an idiot who does not care about what is trying to be said, but is more concerned about twisting phrases to make someone look bad.
It's a pitty that our people feel the need to be like this towards the Muslims.
It's quite apparant to anyone with the slightest bit of sense that the word "fight" in this context is not meant literally but means "to overcome"

It's a great shame that we feel the need to jump on the band waggon and start kicking those who are already down. We should all try, as I did, to understand what the Muslims are about before we start believing the rubbish the media is feeding us. We all know that the media is less concerned with getting the truth out there and are more focused on sales targets. Let's all work together on this. We are, afterall, one community (regardless of whether we like it or not)

phisch21, Chalfonts says...
2:14pm Thu 1 Nov 07

It's quite apparant to anyone with the slightest bit of sense that the word "fight" in this context is not meant literally but means "to overcome"


It's quite apparant to anyone with the slightest bit of sense that my comments were meant in jest. Lighten up for Christ's (or whoever you believe the son of God to be's) sake.

m, Wycombe says...
2:30pm Thu 1 Nov 07

It's quite apparant to anyone with the slightest bit of sense that the word "fight" in this context is not meant literally but means "to overcome"


It's quite apparant to anyone with the slightest bit of sense that my comments were meant in jest. Lighten up for Christ's (or whoever you believe the son of God to be's) sake.


Fair enough, it's just a bit of a sensative topic. I have, over the last few years, done a fair bit of charity work helping people in countries less fortunate than ours and I do often find that we (in non war torn countries) do get a bit too complacent. And just for the record I do believe in Christ ;o)

phisch21, Chalfonts says...
2:37pm Thu 1 Nov 07

It shouldn't be a sensitive subject though. It is only sensitive because everyone in this country is so afraid of saying something that may be construed by others to be in some way offensive. People pf all faiths should be allowed to speak their minds without fear of retribution.

Extremists however do not help the situation when, in reponse to a newspaper publishing a cartoon, radicals were calling for the paper's editors and the artist to be beheaded!

Janna, High Wycombe says...
2:39pm Thu 1 Nov 07

I am personally glad that measures are being taken to keep a watch on this extremist material entering my country. I would not want my child going to school alongside a child who has read or become interested in such religious shash. I could care less the colour of the persons skin or their religious values - but if they are condoning the fact they have such material in their 'Education' Centre - then I think thats extremley worrying.

Put it this way, if it was a Catholic Group who were found to have extremist material - I'm sure they would be prosecuted till Kingdom come.

It's about time, we started realising that this country is made up of numerous cultures and nationalities - but still retains its Christian principles.

I have been told Retail worked are not allowed to say 'Happy Christmas' anymore and have to say "Happy Holidays' - where is the Christian part of Ede or Ramadan when we have to deal with Muslim parades up and down our town centre?

I wont answer to allegations of racism, but as far as pride in my own country goes - then Im the biggest biggot of them all.

Stephanie Anderson, Raleigh, North Carolina USA says...
2:57pm Thu 1 Nov 07

He says, "Even religious works go against the Laws of this Country such as the Bible, Torah, and Quran etc., but it has been left to an individual to be the judge."
I wonder what he thinks Jesus Christ ever said or did that goes against the laws of Britain? Of course he being a Muslim thinks that Jesus taught Islam, so I suppose that would explain why he would say such a thing.

henrikus, Kitchener Canada says...
4:22pm Thu 1 Nov 07

Dear Britain,
You have led the Western world to new heights of achievement in the past but unfortunately you now appear destined to show us the way to state suicide. Please hurry & raise the Islamic cuckoo bird inside of your nest so the rest of the world can see what awaits those following your foolish path.

tom, marlow says...
7:40pm Thu 1 Nov 07

HaHa The bulls**t and bluster goes international.

You can go into any library or bookshop and find something that someone will find offensive or extremist. If we want to live in a free society its just something we have to accept - otherwise it ends up with book burnings and worse.

Its not books that fly aircraft into building or blow up trains and buses. Its people. Deluded, for sure, but this kind of thing doesnt happen because someone casually picks up a book, reads it and thinks "I'm going to do that". They happen because of malignant influences in closed, repressive cultures.

So lets have a bit of tolerance and point the finger at the speaker and not the words

Abdul, H Wycombe says...
8:53pm Thu 1 Nov 07

Stephanie Anderson wrote:
He says, "Even religious works go against the Laws of this Country such as the Bible, Torah, and Quran etc., but it has been left to an individual to be the judge." I wonder what he thinks Jesus Christ ever said or did that goes against the laws of Britain? Of course he being a Muslim thinks that Jesus taught Islam, so I suppose that would explain why he would say such a thing.
It just shows how well versed you are in the scriptures
please see for yourself:"If any man commit adultery with the wife of another and defile his neighbor's wife, let them be put to death both the adulterer and the adulteress" (see also Deuteronomy 22:22).
see also:"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man." (Genesis 9:6:)A. capital punishment for the following crimes:

1. Premeditated murder: Ex 21:12-14

2. Parental abuse: Ex 21:15

3. Cursing parents: Ex 21:17

4. Kidnapping: Ex 21:16

5. Inadvertent abortion: Ex 21:22-25

6. Failure to restrain dangerous animal that kills: Ex 21:28-29

7. Killing a thief in revenge: Ex 22:2-3

8. Sorcery: Ex 22:18

9. ****: Ex 22:19

10. Adultery: Lev 20:10

11. Incest: Lev 20:11-12

12. Homosexuality: Lev 20:13

13. Marrying both mother and daughter: Lev 20:14

14. Practicing spiritualism and mediums: Lev 20:27

15. Breaking the Sabbath: Num 15:32
These are just some of tjhe crimes for which capital punishment is mentioned you can judge for yourself if this is not against the British Law or any other man made law, more like these crimes are encouraged in our so called civilised society.Decide for yourself.

St George, Not Wycombe anymore says...
8:56pm Thu 1 Nov 07

I wont answer to allegations of racism, but as far as pride in my own country goes - then Im the biggest biggot of them all.


Well said Janna.
I totally agree and any guest in our country that doesn't like our values, then your free to leave.
ENGLAND FOREVER and with that I wish everyone HAPPY CHRISTMAS.

erm, ermsville says...
10:21pm Thu 1 Nov 07

1. Premeditated murder: Ex 21:12-14

2. Parental abuse: Ex 21:15

3. Cursing parents: Ex 21:17

4. Kidnapping: Ex 21:16

5. Inadvertent abortion: Ex 21:22-25

6. Failure to restrain dangerous animal that kills: Ex 21:28-29

7. Killing a thief in revenge: Ex 22:2-3

8. Sorcery: Ex 22:18

9. ****: Ex 22:19

10. Adultery: Lev 20:10

11. Incest: Lev 20:11-12

12. Homosexuality: Lev 20:13

13. Marrying both mother and daughter: Lev 20:14

14. Practicing spiritualism and mediums: Lev 20:27

15. Breaking the Sabbath: Num 15:32


Can I order a 3,6,7,9,10,11,13 and 15 please, to take away...with a double helping of 11

Happy Christmas st george

Gordon, Marlow says...
10:28pm Thu 1 Nov 07

"You can go into any library or bookshop and find something that someone will find offensive or extremist."

There's a huge difference between a book being sold in a bookshop (a neutral environment that sells everything) and a mosque (a place of worship).

Can you imagine what would happen if a church was selling Ku Klux Klan hate literature? The police would be round in 5 minutes flat. Yet when equally offensive material is being sold in a mosque here in High Wycombe, we're told it's a matter of freedom of speech.

One rule for us, another rule for them.

m, Wycombe says...
10:53am Fri 2 Nov 07

Can you imagine what would happen if a church was selling Ku Klux Klan hate literature? The police would be round in 5 minutes flat. Yet when equally offensive material is being sold in a mosque here in High Wycombe, we're told it's a matter of freedom of speech.

One rule for us, another rule for them

Double standards - I totally agree.

Just like the gut who downloaded information, made a bomb and hurt loads of people because he believed speed cameras were crap. Did he get done under anti terror laws?
No he didn't. The simple reason is because he was NOT Muslim.
One rule for us, another rule for them

Sofia, London says...
3:36pm Fri 2 Nov 07

Gosh I've read lots of prejudice but honestly, some of the comments above are awful. Maybe certain people who go on about "our country" should learn how to spell the Queen's English for a start. As for extremist literature, the Quran, Bible and Torah go on about homosexuality, adultery and fornication which in this day and age is seen as offensive to many. If we do believe in freedom of speech then it should apply to all. When offence turns to incitement to break the law, this is a totally different matter. As for the happy holidays vs Happy xmas issue, I've never met a Muslim, Hindu, Sikh or whatever saying they had a problem with xmas, easter etc. This is definitely over zealous councils thinking they know what they're doing and in actual fact not having a clue.
For those who came out with their bigoted comments, first of all, integration is two ways, and please don't believe everything you read, it makes you look dumber than your spelling did.

Steve, Totteridge Hill says...
9:13pm Fri 2 Nov 07

m wrote:
Can you imagine what would happen if a church was selling Ku Klux Klan hate literature? The police would be round in 5 minutes flat. Yet when equally offensive material is being sold in a mosque here in High Wycombe, we're told it's a matter of freedom of speech. One rule for us, another rule for them
Double standards - I totally agree. Just like the gut who downloaded information, made a bomb and hurt loads of people because he believed speed cameras were crap. Did he get done under anti terror laws? No he didn't. The simple reason is because he was NOT Muslim.
One rule for us, another rule for them
D'yer know the "British" Muslims don't like the Polish catholics coming over here...

They must think they've a big problem dealing with us heathens and the last thing they need is more non muslim's?

Bernard, HW says...
1:26pm Mon 5 Nov 07

Simple resolution to this then isnt there, all religion must be practiced only in the followers home. No religious institutions for anyone. There you go, problem over and done with.

I think we all agree we can do what we like in the privacy of our homes so why not make this the ruling and solve all the issues ?

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