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Council votes to close Holywell Mead pool


HOLYWELL Mead open air swimming pool will be closed, a meeting of Wycombe District Council decided tonight.

There were angry scenes as the Conservative-controlled council approved its cabinet's budget recommendations, including the closure.

The closure of the 52-year-old pool on The Rye in High Wycombe is one of a series of cash-saving cuts, including redundancies.

The council has argued the pool is under-used and costs too much to maintain, £66,000 a year.

A Liberal Democrat councillor put forward an alternative budget which would keep the pool open but this was defeated 45 to nine.

The council also approved a council tax increase of 3.2 per cent for its share of the bill, about 10 per cent.

This will see the full bill between £1,390 and £1,486 for an average band D property.

A full list of costs for different bands and areas will be placed on this website on Friday.

Liberal Democrat leader Brian Pollock put forward a revised budget that would give £39,000 to run the pool for an extra year.

He said this would meet the need to provide “exercise and sport for the needs of our residents”.

He said: “If after a year we have in fact lost people using the pool then so be it, the opportunity has been given.”

The call – which would also continue council funding to the Environment Centre and cut the WDC council tax rise to three per cent – won applause from the public.

This saw chairman Roger Wilson say: “I remind members of the public that they are here to listen to the democratic debate.”

When this brought laughs from the gallery he quipped: “You may laugh at some of my jokes but not at anything else.”

The Lib Dem call was supported by the Labour group. Leader Margaret Draper said: “The whole concern at the moment across the nation is the health of our population.

“Clearly there is a need to retain such facilities.”

Arguments that the pool was under-used were “perverse” she said as a facility such as the pool could “encourage” people to take up exercise.

Yet councillor Tony Green, who has cabinet responsibility for leisure facilities, said it was the “easiest thing in the world” for opposition to criticise a budget.

To cries of dismay from some of the public he said: “You are just pandering to a little bit of public opinion.”

He said: “I do accept that there are many people, that is probably in the hundreds and lows thousands, who see the Holywell Mead swimming pool as an important facility in the district.”

Yet he said of 2,500 names collected by Lib Dem petition and a South Bucks Star campaign: “The reality is that is not enough even if they did use the pool.

“It isn’t enough to make it economically viable.”

It was “much more sensible” to focus council cash on rebuilding Wycombe Sports Centre, which has been postponed because of the credit crunch, he said.

Cllr Green said of Holywell Mead: “It needs work doing to it, it is not an outstanding facility, it is not one that frankly I am proud of.”

Yet he said the council was “open to the future of that facility” and pledged it will “remain in the community”.

Fellow cabinet member Jean Teesdale said she had to support closure with a “heavy heart”.

She said she held “great nostalgia” for the facility but said: “When you really sit down and thought about it, how often in the years it has been open have I used this pool?”

Cllr Teesdale said she could count the number of occasions on one hand.

She said: “They think it is a fabulous thing but they don’t use it.”

Keeping it open would be “putting off the inevitable” she said.

And she said: “We should be honest to the people we represent, not pander and try and score political points, not pander to little whims”.

Council leader Lesley Clarke attacked the Lib Dem plan to use money taken from grants for housing and business initiatives to keep the pool open.

These grants could only be used for these purposes, she said.

And she said the £39,000 would not cover the yearly running costs, which were £66,000.

After the decision was taken High Wycombe resident Suzanne Grant, who has used the pool since it opened in 1957, said the move was “disgusting”.

Mrs Grant, who attended the meeting, said: “It is horrendous. How can they say they want to encourage people to do sport?

“It is typical Wycombe District Council.”

The budget also a move to make 27 roles redundant, though this may see staff re-deployed, Cllr Clarke said, while 18 vacant posts will not be filled.

A further 16 will see a change in employment terms and conditions.

This, the pool closure and other cuts such as closure of under-used public toilets, yet to be named, are to close a £1.68m gap in the budget.

Comments(29)

irish john says...
9:25pm Thu 26 Feb 09

Can any one tell me if the wycombe snowdome is going ahead

The Judge says...
9:39pm Thu 26 Feb 09

irish john wrote:
Can any one tell me if the wycombe snowdome is going ahead
CANCELLED.
LACK OF SNOW OR IS IT LOLLY?
JUDGE

tinkerbell2 says...
9:40pm Thu 26 Feb 09

I am disgusted to read that the council has decided to close Holywell Mead Pool. What fate awaits the building now!!! With the environment centre being closed down as well, it seems like we will have another carbunkle on the landscape.

ivor says...
10:00pm Thu 26 Feb 09

What about the plan to move the Wycombe Museum? Is that going ahead too?

Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “YOUR SAY” link at the top of the page then click on “BLOGS”.

smiley cat says...
10:06pm Thu 26 Feb 09

But what of the Lib dem's master plan!!

SDJones says...
10:24pm Thu 26 Feb 09

why is the increase of council tax so high 3.2 is much higher than mostof the other councils in England its disgusting!

Save Wycombe says...
10:28pm Thu 26 Feb 09

smiley cat wrote:
But what of the Lib dem's master plan!!
were you there? Brian Pollock set out in detail exactly how the money could be found and even proposed a lower Council Tax rise. What more do you want?

Farmer Pickles says...
10:32pm Thu 26 Feb 09

The security word has spoken...

wild-pool

In light of the Tories decision this evening to close the pool and allow performing animals on council land perhaps they have plans to turn it into one of those terrible dolphinariums like what we used to have in the good old days when it was considered acceptable to abuse animals for our entertainment.

It could have some pseudo eco theme and be called wild-pool.

wierdo says...
10:34pm Thu 26 Feb 09

Tax up, services down. Anyone shocked?

...and to say they want to concentrate on handy cross!! Please - you insult my intelligence!

push-hill

smiley cat says...
10:38pm Thu 26 Feb 09

Save Wycombe wrote:
smiley cat wrote: But what of the Lib dem's master plan!!
were you there? Brian Pollock set out in detail exactly how the money could be found and even proposed a lower Council Tax rise. What more do you want?
Oh I am terribly sorry for having something to do and not be able to attend the meeting - perhaps you could fill me and the other readers who did not attend, in.

pompwatch says...
10:39pm Thu 26 Feb 09

This Tory Council voted for animals in the circus, but they are a permanent circus themselves! With their u turns, juggling they keep the people of Wycombe on a tightrope. Where will the axe fall next? How much will it cost in security and vandalism at the Pool. Enough to keep it open no doubt

OllieNewbury says...
10:41pm Thu 26 Feb 09

Is there not one private company out there which buy the pool? If it were advertised outside Wycombe district and tidied up a bit it could make a profit. There must be a group somewhere who might be interested.

chris740 says...
10:44pm Thu 26 Feb 09

one more nail in the coffin for the town of wycombe,
as from this day i will never use handy cross pool. or buy anything from the town of high wycombe. i will shop out of town.
its a about time this council woke up, and take alook for what it is doing to wycombe.

towncryer says...
10:45pm Thu 26 Feb 09

smiley cat wrote:
But what of the Lib dem's master plan!!
i was in the council chamber tonight -- disgraceful behaviour by the Tory's -- Lib Dems proposed a way of funding many items plus reducing council tax .
Tories rejected this and went for higher council taxes and deduced services
Time we got rid of the Tories !!!

wierdo says...
11:01pm Thu 26 Feb 09

Will they consider selling or leasing the pool to a private company I wonder? Or would this involve too much loss of face?

late-body

Wycombe is still high on... says...
11:01pm Thu 26 Feb 09

Well if you can't manage the swimming pool (which I haven't used for at least twenty years) I would quite like to see the Roman Villa underneath.

Maybe I will start a petition...

I appreciate where everybody is coming from on this debate. Okay, I don't use the pool and have no desire despite living within walking distance of it. The problem is the council want to save money lost on it; unfortunately, they are not the only ones and many councils have been closing down duch places to "save money" in their and the publics interest. Then the developers move in!

I am guessing here and suspect that I may be wrong, but, if we all decided not to pay any council tax anymore since we did not feel we were getting value for money - would the council scrap the exercise since it was non-viable administrating it and chasing it up with the non-payers.

What we lack in this country is people power. We recieve thousands of signatures for this petition for the pool and it is dismissed instantly - because they are just names on piece of paper. If these same names were prepared to save themselves £1500 a year by saying I hate your way of governing the people and will refuse the tax that you impose on me (for my right to live in a house and receive public services whicgh I am happy with)

This monetary loss to the council ( who are already unfortunately well versed in haemorraghing cash (Iceland)) would surely cause them to think.

I am self employed. If a customer expressed unhappiness with my work - I would hear out their case and work with them to a happy conclusion.

Now, if they did not pay me.....

irish john says...
11:09pm Thu 26 Feb 09

Good decision. now rebuild handy cross to a top standard, that the public can use all year round.

OllieNewbury says...
11:14pm Thu 26 Feb 09

irish john wrote:
Good decision. now rebuild handy cross to a top standard, that the public can use all year round.
But will they ever get on with it? They've been talking about Handy Cross redevelopment for years.

wierdo says...
11:41pm Thu 26 Feb 09

irish john wrote:
Good decision. now rebuild handy cross to a top standard, that the public can use all year round.
Errr... Where have you been. Because they are going to re-build handy cross, they have not even bothered cleaning it for the last 15 years of so, let alone maintaining it. Hence, its falling apart. Rye Mead is probably in better condition.

...and then they say, despite planning to develop a new center for god knows how many years (At least since I moved to wycombe 10 years ago), apparently it cant now be done. Rubbish.

Same reason Eden took so long. No leadershop. No Balls. No Point.

Ride-pick (yours outa here at the next election)

OllieNewbury says...
11:53pm Thu 26 Feb 09

I recall reading a few months ago in the Bucks Free Press of when Wycombe District Council spent £1,500 to attend some council award ceremony. How can they say money's tight when they are wasting it like that?

Plus ça change... says...
8:52am Fri 27 Feb 09


The District needs some new top class leisure & sport, including indoor water, facilities with good and easy parking and easy access from the motorway for people from Wycombe and Marlow and the whole district.

We all revolve around the Handy Cross Roundabout literally and figuratively whatever we think of that ...

Why not develop and grow the current sports centre, including the old student residence area?

And why not put the new stadium somewhere adjacent to the Marlow bypass?



And we all lived happily ever after...!


agate says...
9:14am Fri 27 Feb 09

While WDC is run for the benefit of the CLLRs and not the public things will not change for the better. They have no interest in running a public service, they only want to keep getting there salary,keeping their mini MP status and toeing the goverment line.

Townman says...
10:18am Fri 27 Feb 09

Very sad day, that this action has been agreed. Lots of people shouting about it. But wait and see. The same Councillors will be voted back in, come the next District Elections. Perhaps the BFP could publish the names of who voted? Majority of which do not come from High Wycombe. Bring on a Town Council.

The Judge says...
11:22am Fri 27 Feb 09

SDJones wrote:
why is the increase of council tax so high 3.2 is much higher than mostof the other councils in England its disgusting!
STOP WHINING LIKE SPOILT CHILDREN WHO HAVE LOST YOU RATTLES. YOU WANT GOOD SERVICES FOR LOWER TAXES. GEAT USED TO IT WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE. THE POOL WAS A WHITE ELEPHANT AND A MONEY PIT WITH NO TANGIBLE BENEFITS TO THE 'MASSES' NOT JUST SINGLE MOTHERS WITH CHILDREN OR COFFIN DODGERS.
THE DECISION IS SOUND.
THE REAL QUESTION IS WHY IS OUR COUNCIL TAX ESCALATING OVER AND ABOVE THE RATE OF INFLATION?
THERE ARE 3 POSSIBLE REASONS:
1. THE COUNCIL HAVE EMBARKED ON ATROCIOUS 'INVESTMENTS' RESULTING IN MILLIONS OF INTEREST GENERATING CAPITAL BEING LOST FOR GOOD.
2. OVER-STAFFING. YOU WILL NOTE RENT COLLECTIONS HAVE BEEN SHUT DOWN BUT THIS SHOULD BE THE START. WE NEED STREAMLINING AND OUTSOURCING OF ALL SERVICES. THIS INCLUDES BENEFIT AND HOUSING BENEFIT DETERMINATION. IN OTHER WORDS MAKE THIS BENEFIT CLAIMABLE BY PHONE.
3. SALARIES TOO HIGH.
CLEARLY THE SALARIES ARE BEING NEGOTIATED UPWARDS WITH INCREASES IN PENSIONS. THIS HAS TO BE HALTED URGENTLY AND YOU SHOULD WRITE TO YOUR M.P. MR GOODMAN.
THE JUDGE HAS SPOKEN.

Craig.... says...
1:33pm Fri 27 Feb 09

When will the judge learn? Most of what this coucil does haemorrages money. The difference was that this time it was a facility people actually wanted. Oh and 'COFFIN DODGERS" as you so elequently put it have paid tax their whole lives. I think some of them have earn't the right to use a public facility.

I shall be keeping a very close eye on council spending from now on. The costs of running this pool, which somehow seem to have multiplied almost exponetially in the space of a week, are a drop in the ocean to the council's annual budget (and therefore annual wastage).

This is an absolute disgrace. I used to support Wycombe being under Tory leadership. Boy have my views been swayed.

I can't wait to see who gets planning permission to build on the site. Whoever passes the most cash under the table I'll wager.

I wonder how much it is going to cost to secure the site, make it safe (I can't imagine they will be able to leave an empty pool uncovered) and fix the damage caused by vandals.

agate says...
4:21pm Fri 27 Feb 09

If as it has been suggested, WDC turn the pool area into a bowls center because they intend to close Bass Manor, I think part of the pool infill should be CLLR Clark and her cabal because they are a complete waste of space as CLLR but they just might be able to make a great green as fertilizer.

Geoff Gill says...
6:36pm Fri 27 Feb 09

Not being a tax-payer in High Wycombe I can't comment on the local authotity,but it seems amazing that this council wish to add to the ever growing closures of open-air pools in the country.As a school-boy in Wycombe in the early fifties I remember the campaigning for a pool to be built in the town whether it be indoor or open -air and also the delay when it was decided that tours would take place of the remains of the old Roman villa which lie beneath the pool.Still the pool did open and no longer did local schools have to take long coach journeys to the nearest pools at that time.I believe the nearest one to High Wycombe was the other side of Beaconsfield.My sister who now lives in Canada remembers as she was at the pool the day it happenned of the tragic drowning of a young lad not long after the pool had been opened.Maybe the pool does need some upgrading and modernisation,perhap
s even extending but once closed for good will become overgrown derelict vandalised and remain an eyesore on The Rye for many years to come.I saw a book recently which had a number of photos of public open-air swimming pools which had suffered a similiar fate.

irish john says...
1:51pm Sat 28 Feb 09

YOG. Must be drowning his sorrows

stevet123 says...
8:52pm Mon 2 Mar 09

Why is it always the toffee nosed stuck idiots of High Wycombe Council
who have to close down public areas,they have known over the years that the open swimming pool needed investment, but the tory council we have rather spend it on there selves, liberals came up with a good idea but turned down because the tories did not come up with the idea. Now my idea is to put it out to the private sector for investment, scope for them to build a fitness centre as said before a sliding roof for the autumn/winter slide it back for spring/summer and close it if bad weather, this way can be open all year round, with it being a private sector with strict regulations that the pool is open for non members and being regulated by the council, i am sure that a lot of people who like to swim during the colder seasons would use the pool if it had a sliding roof with heating when closed also keeping the pennies coming in So tories get the toffee stuck up your nose out of your nose and try this idea


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