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Meeting held at Holywell Mead swimming pool, High Wycombe


AXED Holywell Mead outdoor swimming pool could be run at a profit if it opened all year round and had a roof built over it, a swimming leader told campaigners tonight.

Neil Bailey, chairman of Wycombe Swimming Action Group, said a membership scheme and rebuilt toddlers pool could attract more visitors to keep open the facility, by The Rye.

He told supporters outraged by Wycombe District Council’s decision to pull funding that anyone who took it over would have to “widen the net and lower the price”.

About 20 people met by the poolside this evening as part of a push by the council’s Liberal Democrat opposition to find another way of keeping the pool open.

The council – which opened the pool in for four months in the summer – argued the facility was under-used and cost too much to maintain.

Mr Bailey, who said he is working with four county schools to keep their pools open, said: “There is a demand for this kind of facility.

“We need a political push and we need to get this thing commercial. If it is not commercial it will not be sustainable.”

Lessons, private hire and a £50 membership scheme could net the pool £250,000 a year, he told the 5.30pm gathering.

The council said the pool would cost £66,000 a year to run and £60,000 over five years to make essential repairs.

Mr Bailey said the roof would “roll back” and a similar pool at Hampton Pool, Hampton Palace, London had prospered.

He said: “They make money in the summer. They break even every month of every year. There are a thousand people in the pool on Christmas Day.”

Yet the toddler pool is a “waste of space” he said and needed a roof and deepening to a metre instead of 0.4m to attract visitors, he said.

Mr Bailey said: “If you look at the difference between pools that make money and break even and those which make a loss, it is all about the customer experience.

“If it is fantastic, if they love it then they buy food and bring their kids down here and spend a lot of time down here.”

Stuart Brown, 38, of Arundel Road, Sands, High Wycombe told the group: “Very few people know about it, what advertising have they done? We found it by accident when we moved here.”

His wife, Louise, also 38, said: “When I discovered it I was over the moon. We did literally stumble across it.”

Sally Baggs, from Court Lawns, Penn, told Bucks Free Press: “I was at Hampton Court on Sunday and it was absolutely heaving. You could get lots of people here.”

And Lyn Simmonds, 53, of Purssells Meadow, Naphill said: “I hope this will make a difference. We have enough enthusiastic people.”

Yet Lib Dem district councillor Trevor Snaith said a plan had to be drawn up quickly.

He said if the council took the pumping units for the pool out of the adjacent Environment Centre then “we are well and truly stuffed”.

Councillor Julia Wassell, who is leading the Lib Dem campaign, has said the pool could be run by a charity, similar to one which kept open Micklefield Library after Buckinghamshire County Council funding was pulled.

She told the group: “We have to make sure we have an option ready [for the council] very very quickly.

“It has a lot of potential done in a different way.”

Some of the people who attended the meeting agreed to then form a committee to drive the plan forward.


Comments(38)

smiley cat says...
8:18pm Wed 11 Mar 09

I would be a lot happier if this were not politically motivated.
Good luck to them but I hope that it is not too high a price to pay..

chris740 says...
8:39pm Wed 11 Mar 09

thank god a part of wycombe may be kept.
well done you guys,

Save Wycombe says...
8:53pm Wed 11 Mar 09

smiley cat wrote:
I would be a lot happier if this were not politically motivated.
Good luck to them but I hope that it is not too high a price to pay..
Politics touches everything. People who are politically motivated are people who care enough to try and change things. Comments like yours suggest you have a downer on politicians in general - which is unfair on the ones who work hard for their community.

smiley cat says...
8:57pm Wed 11 Mar 09

Save Wycombe wrote:
smiley cat wrote: I would be a lot happier if this were not politically motivated. Good luck to them but I hope that it is not too high a price to pay..
Politics touches everything. People who are politically motivated are people who care enough to try and change things. Comments like yours suggest you have a downer on politicians in general - which is unfair on the ones who work hard for their community.
Okay
I know I am cynical but let me throw something in here and feel free to shoot me down..
Julia Wassell was a labour councillor. Labour aren't big in Bucks. She switched her allegience to lib dems who are slightly more successful and suddenly she is here there and everywhere saving the world.
Now a cynical person may question her motives - I know I do..

Farmer Pickles says...
9:02pm Wed 11 Mar 09

I am also concerned that the campaign is seen as a Lib Dem thing. There is a danger that Tory voters (of which there are a lot in Wycombe!) will be put off supporting this for fear of being seen to support the Lib Dems. I fear that if the Lib Dem lot use it to push their agenda too far then they wil end up shooting themselves in the foot and fail to secure enoyugh support from the community. We can all see which local councillors are doin their bit for the community without having to have it spelled out in political spin.

Farmer Pickles says...
9:05pm Wed 11 Mar 09

smiley cat wrote:
Save Wycombe wrote:
smiley cat wrote: I would be a lot happier if this were not politically motivated. Good luck to them but I hope that it is not too high a price to pay..
Politics touches everything. People who are politically motivated are people who care enough to try and change things. Comments like yours suggest you have a downer on politicians in general - which is unfair on the ones who work hard for their community.
Okay I know I am cynical but let me throw something in here and feel free to shoot me down.. Julia Wassell was a labour councillor. Labour aren't big in Bucks. She switched her allegience to lib dems who are slightly more successful and suddenly she is here there and everywhere saving the world. Now a cynical person may question her motives - I know I do..
Julia was "here there and everywhere saving the world" long before she joined the Lib Dems.

sammy annie says...
9:20pm Wed 11 Mar 09

Farmer Pickles wrote:
smiley cat wrote:
Save Wycombe wrote:
smiley cat wrote: I would be a lot happier if this were not politically motivated. Good luck to them but I hope that it is not too high a price to pay..
Politics touches everything. People who are politically motivated are people who care enough to try and change things. Comments like yours suggest you have a downer on politicians in general - which is unfair on the ones who work hard for their community.
Okay I know I am cynical but let me throw something in here and feel free to shoot me down.. Julia Wassell was a labour councillor. Labour aren't big in Bucks. She switched her allegience to lib dems who are slightly more successful and suddenly she is here there and everywhere saving the world. Now a cynical person may question her motives - I know I do..
Julia was "here there and everywhere saving the world" long before she joined the Lib Dems.
I dont really care what Julia's motives are. She was there trying to keep the pool open. That is what I care about.

ivor says...
10:03pm Wed 11 Mar 09

Let’s hope the pool can be saved.

If there are some people who say the pool can be run at a profit why on earth can’t the Council manage to run it at a profit rather than closing it?

Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “YOUR SAY” link at the top of the page then click on “BLOGS”.

smiley cat says...
10:12pm Wed 11 Mar 09

Farmer Pickles wrote:
I am also concerned that the campaign is seen as a Lib Dem thing. There is a danger that Tory voters (of which there are a lot in Wycombe!) will be put off supporting this for fear of being seen to support the Lib Dems. I fear that if the Lib Dem lot use it to push their agenda too far then they wil end up shooting themselves in the foot and fail to secure enoyugh support from the community. We can all see which local councillors are doin their bit for the community without having to have it spelled out in political spin.
THANK YOU!!!
This has been my point all along!
I am deeply unhappy that the lib dems are involved as heavily ( and no I am not a tory).
To me they have made it political with their - oh well the tories this that and the other..

smiley cat says...
10:14pm Wed 11 Mar 09

ivor wrote:
Let’s hope the pool can be saved. If there are some people who say the pool can be run at a profit why on earth can’t the Council manage to run it at a profit rather than closing it? Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “YOUR SAY” link at the top of the page then click on “BLOGS”.
And that Ivor , is a very good question - I just think it is all a little airy fairy if you get my meaning..

yog says...
10:58pm Wed 11 Mar 09

I am pleased that we have still got residents in this Town who are prepared to stand up and fight for their local services. There is hope for Wycombe after all. Now if WDC want some positive news then they should meet with these campaigners at the earliest opportunity and give them their backing to take over the running of the pool.

towncryer says...
11:06pm Wed 11 Mar 09

yog wrote:
I am pleased that we have still got residents in this Town who are prepared to stand up and fight for their local services. There is hope for Wycombe after all. Now if WDC want some positive news then they should meet with these campaigners at the earliest opportunity and give them their backing to take over the running of the pool.
I'm pleased to see People power is coming to the fore
I wish the team all the best in saving the pool
Its great to see some positive action in Wycombe from local people after so much negativity from WDC

smiley cat says...
11:16pm Wed 11 Mar 09

Its great to see "me and my shadow" posting together. Are you two joined at the hip...

smiley cat says...
11:19pm Wed 11 Mar 09

Oh and 20 people - come on. Do you REALLY think that is going to make any difference. If people were bothered then more would have turned up.
20 people - laughable.

green damage limitation says...
11:25pm Wed 11 Mar 09

This is great news
I hope the group can save the pool

After all the negativity coming from the council lets wish the group all the best in achieving something positive for our Town

green damage limitation says...
11:29pm Wed 11 Mar 09

smiley cat wrote:
Oh and 20 people - come on. Do you REALLY think that is going to make any difference. If people were bothered then more would have turned up. 20 people - laughable.
seems we also have negativity from Smiley cat -- park the politics smiley !!!
Lets applaud the group for their community spirit

smiley cat says...
12:01am Thu 12 Mar 09

green damage limitation wrote:
smiley cat wrote: Oh and 20 people - come on. Do you REALLY think that is going to make any difference. If people were bothered then more would have turned up. 20 people - laughable.
seems we also have negativity from Smiley cat -- park the politics smiley !!! Lets applaud the group for their community spirit
I can't.
I truly believe that the lib dems are doing this to make a political point cos they know that this is the only way they can attract voters.
If this was not supported by a political party, I might not be so negative.
Sorry - I am just very suspicious of the whole thing and think it is no more than a gimic on the behalf of the lib dems.

yog says...
12:11am Thu 12 Mar 09

green damage limitation wrote:
smiley cat wrote:
Oh and 20 people - come on. Do you REALLY think that is going to make any difference. If people were bothered then more would have turned up. 20 people - laughable.
seems we also have negativity from Smiley cat -- park the politics smiley !!!
Lets applaud the group for their community spirit
Exactly. The negativity of smiley cat is unbelievable. She should be applauding the efforts of local people to stand up for their community.
It is very welcome and hopefully more will feel empowered to get involved in their communities.

smiley cat says...
12:47am Thu 12 Mar 09

yog wrote:
green damage limitation wrote:
smiley cat wrote: Oh and 20 people - come on. Do you REALLY think that is going to make any difference. If people were bothered then more would have turned up. 20 people - laughable.
seems we also have negativity from Smiley cat -- park the politics smiley !!! Lets applaud the group for their community spirit
Exactly. The negativity of smiley cat is unbelievable. She should be applauding the efforts of local people to stand up for their community. It is very welcome and hopefully more will feel empowered to get involved in their communities.
20 people - that is all.
And what really makes me roar is come the elections you will be using this to try and garner votes.
I do aplaud the local people - all 20 of them.
I do not applaud the politicians who are using them - not at all.

The Judge says...
7:05am Thu 12 Mar 09

ITS A WHITE ELEPHANT AND A MONEY PIT.
LETS START A CAMPAIGN TO STOP ALL THESE COMMITTEE MEETINGS COSTING US £000'S TO DISCUSS THIS POLITICAL FOOTBALL.
SHUT IT DOWN.
JUDGE

yog says...
7:58am Thu 12 Mar 09

It seems there are a few people on here who do not want to see local people fighting for their local services. I wonder why?

Regular Poster says...
8:06am Thu 12 Mar 09

£50 to join the pool, I don't think so. If that was the case I'd expect a swimming session to be £1 or something but I bet it won't be.

Waste of time and effort which is evident with the massive turnout of 20 people, they must have been queueing for hours!

smiley cat says...
8:29am Thu 12 Mar 09

yog wrote:
It seems there are a few people on here who do not want to see local people fighting for their local services. I wonder why?
As per usual Yog puts his on her own spin on this.
I do not like seeing local people being used as cat paws by politicians who are so hungry for power that they will do anything to get it.
IF this campaign were not politically motivated and sponsored perhaps I might be more sympathetic.

green damage limitation says...
8:54am Thu 12 Mar 09

I believe the it wasn't for community Cllrs like Julia Wassell and Trevor Snaith bringing issues like this to public we would be stuck with the cant do negativity that permeates from WDC
Its good to have councillors who are prepared to give their time to work with Local community -- i live in Abbey and i never see my councillors apart from when they want my vote election time !

Good look to the pool team :-)

Save Wycombe says...
8:59am Thu 12 Mar 09

Maybe the opposition councillors could meet Smiley Cat for a coffee one day - then she might be able to find out if they really are two-headed monsters! The ones I've met all seem to be genuine individuals who want to make things better in Wycombe (and no, I'm not a councillor!)

smiley cat says...
9:15am Thu 12 Mar 09

Save Wycombe wrote:
Maybe the opposition councillors could meet Smiley Cat for a coffee one day - then she might be able to find out if they really are two-headed monsters! The ones I've met all seem to be genuine individuals who want to make things better in Wycombe (and no, I'm not a councillor!)
Oh I know I appear negative and not wanting the best for HW. I am suspicious of their motives.
Lets see what happens when local elections come around.
IF they launch their camplaign without mentioning their involvement in the pool, maybe then I will be convinced.
But I doubt it somehow....

Steve Totteridge Hill says...
9:22am Thu 12 Mar 09

Okay...

Here's a shot in the dark...(and it's the code words!!!)

If it's worth saving, would the council sell it?

There would need to be some paperwork to make sure houses aren't built on the site but...?

A personal note... I think the pool should remain. However not in it's present form...
The site should be re-developed using new technologies such as solar heating.

A sliding roof so it can be opened on warmer days and why not slides and a wave maker???

In it's present form it can't survive, those in charge have already run it into the ground.

It's time for an injection of new energy and new mon£y to make it work! If government would stop throwing mon£y at the banks thinking it will sort out the economy and start public building projects such as this we'd soon sort everything out.

If only they'd listen...

ntappin says...
10:00am Thu 12 Mar 09

How much will the new roof cost at least £200,000 . We were told the pool was closed to save cash not spend it,as for £50 a year membership fee it will cost me £250 for the 5 in my family to go to the new inside pool, we already have Handy Cross inside pool This is duplication of facility's .The people proposing this should understand this (I and many others only go there because it is an outside Pool)if this proposal gos ahead I will spend my money in outside swimming pools in neighboring towns which are more enlightened than High Wycombe

irish john says...
10:07am Thu 12 Mar 09

The pools a dead horse, there are better things in around the town , that money should spent on.

Plus ça change... says...
10:20am Thu 12 Mar 09


I get the increasing impression that one or two use these columns to push their petty local party politics...

Some posted overt and overzealous political diatribes just turn many people right off! Zzzzzzzzz....

If you are really trying to 'save the pool' you shouldn't continually show pics of people, either IN the pool, or at the side of the pool, waving BYEBYE....

Oops. Wrong psychology!!

I think it's best to 'pull the plug', save for a rainy day and then get some new modern facilities for the District.

Whenever.


towncryer says...
11:35am Thu 12 Mar 09

smiley cat wrote:
Save Wycombe wrote: Maybe the opposition councillors could meet Smiley Cat for a coffee one day - then she might be able to find out if they really are two-headed monsters! The ones I've met all seem to be genuine individuals who want to make things better in Wycombe (and no, I'm not a councillor!)
Oh I know I appear negative and not wanting the best for HW. I am suspicious of their motives. Lets see what happens when local elections come around. IF they launch their camplaign without mentioning their involvement in the pool, maybe then I will be convinced. But I doubt it somehow....
I bet in retrospect Cllr Clarke and Cllr Green wish they could get some positive messages on their campaign literature --
it would say currently -
we cut pool
we cut jobs
we cut services
we cut grants to voluntary sector
We lost money in icelandic banks
we dont want Fairtrade
we slag off the local press!!
we raised council tax !!!!

Real vote winners i dont think !!!

****All ther best to the Pool Group ****

Craig.... says...
12:56pm Thu 12 Mar 09

Who gives a toss if it is politically motivated if something gets done. Anyone who cares about the pool will have been put off the tories by now anyway.

I will be seriously reconsidering who I vote for at the next local elections. I have never been a fan of the lib dems, but if they are going to do what I want....why should I not vote for them?

This tory council needs to see that it can't keep abusing its position and that the way they are doing things is not going to stand any more.

Everything is political these days, the only reason the tories aren't doing anything like this is because they think they have a safe majority. A sudden council tax reduction before the local elections will probably be about the sum of their efforts.

It's time they were taught a lesson.

Red Fred says...
1:15pm Thu 12 Mar 09

I wish these people luck but I fear they will need more than that succeed. For my own personal experience I've just 2 things to say really:-

1 - The last time I was at the Holywell Mead pool, I was learning to drive and Duran Duran ruled the music world.

2 - When we go swimming, it's not to the freezing cold Handy Cross but to Aquavale in Aylesbury. The facilities are fantastic and include a proper lane pool, a fun pool with slides and stuff, and a swim through to an outdoor pool.
Subsidised parking and about a Tenner for the whole family!

Sorry guys but even if you are successful you can't compete with it.

Save Wycombe says...
1:18pm Thu 12 Mar 09

smiley cat wrote:
Save Wycombe wrote:
Maybe the opposition councillors could meet Smiley Cat for a coffee one day - then she might be able to find out if they really are two-headed monsters! The ones I've met all seem to be genuine individuals who want to make things better in Wycombe (and no, I'm not a councillor!)
Oh I know I appear negative and not wanting the best for HW. I am suspicious of their motives.
Lets see what happens when local elections come around.
IF they launch their camplaign without mentioning their involvement in the pool, maybe then I will be convinced.
But I doubt it somehow....
Smiley Cat, with respect, you are not living in the real world! I would expect all parties to state in the next election campaign why we should vote for them. Surely that would include all of the positive things that their members and councillors have done? In particular, voters need to see the differences between the parties when deciding who to vote for. Since there is a stark difference between the position of the parties on the issue of Holywell Mead - they would be foolish not to remind voters of this. The alternative (your alternative) is to accept that the status quo in Wycombe is all that we have and nothing can ever change. What a depressing thought! Three cheers for those who give up their time to campaign for change.

bakerbill says...
3:24pm Fri 13 Mar 09

Wycombe Council Is pleading poverty We know they lost £2.5 million of local taxpayers money in Icelandic banks, (and no one has been dismissed from the council for that) but they still has a massive £72.5 million of our cash in investments . They should spend a fraction of this money on our Pool to keep it open .

Neil Bailey Save Holywell Mead Pool says...
11:36am Sat 14 Mar 09

Thanks for all the positive support and offers of financial, volunteer and resources offered to date by many people in and around the High Wycombe area. It has been a reconfirmation of the humanity and goodwill in the area.

At present the twenty people who attended the meeting on Wednesday have formed themselves into a group to raise the profile of the pool, create strong ties with the community and develop a sustainable business model to follow - I thank them for their help to date.

This is however a large initiative as the pool has been allowed to decline in use and is very poorly marketed it needs creative and tangible support from people over a long period of time. I call upon the residents of High Wycombe (and the surrounding area) who have used this pool, would like to use it or have relatives who use or would like to use it to give generously of their time, support and financial assistance.

I greatly appreciate your help and assistance to date - we will need much more of it if we are to save Holywell Mead pool in a sustainable fashion. I look forward to hearing from you all as we progress further.

pompwatch says...
6:19pm Sat 14 Mar 09

That is so refreshing to see a positive and uplifting comment on this website. Also by a real person! Thousands of people in Wycombe will be wishing you every success and your team. Do keep us all updated so that we can ensure the word gets around for that glorious day when the pool re-opens again and prospers.

victoria_stopps says...
5:30pm Sun 15 Mar 09

i can honestly say i cannot understand why anyone would want to save this pool have you seen the state of it lately it is absolutely discusting and filthy i think the money should go elsewhere to more worthy causes


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