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MP to "cope" with crackdown on expenses


A BUCKINGHAMSHIRE MP today said he would need to find new ways of “coping” with a cut in members’ expenses.

Aylesbury MP David Lidington said a rent for a rented flat in Westminster is “somewhat more” than a new £1,250 limit announced yesterday.

Mr Lidington, who declined to reveal the rent amount, said: “I will have to try and find a way to cope with that.

“It may mean that I think about different ways of doing it, perhaps using hotels, though those don’t come cheap in Westminster.”

Early changes to the system were announced yesterday including the limit on rent and mortgage interest and a ban on claiming for furniture, gardening and cleaning.

It comes as Buckinghamshire County Council chief executive Chris Williams urged voters not to be put off voting in a June 4 poll of all councillors on the authority.

Mr Lidington, whose constituency includes Princes Risborough, also today spoke about arguments that some home counties MPs do not need second homes and can commute.

Reading East MP Rob Wilson and Reading West MP Martin Salter, for example, commute every day from the town’s train station.

Early trains from Reading take about half-an-hour into London Paddington and the last train is at 1.45am and takes about 55 minutes.

Early trains from Princes Risborough to London Marylebone take about 50 minutes and the last train is at 12.10am and takes about an hour.

Mr Lidington told Bucks Free Press: “It would curb very considerably the number of hours I actually spend every week on my constituency and Parliamentary work.”

He said he usually worked to between 10 and 11pm in the week but if the rules changed to make him commute home to Princes Risborough he would “find a way to cope with that”.

Beaconsfield MP Dominic Grieve is also set to lose out as he pays £1,535 month a rent for his second home, a rented cottage near Marlow.

He said he paid this one month a year out of his own pocket.

Mr Grieve said: "If that means in the short term that I have to bear that cost myself and I shall consider what to do about it in the light of further decisions on members' allowances."

Wycombe MP Paul Goodman, whose second home is a mortgaged property in High Wycombe, said “my accommodation costs are low compared to those of many other MPs”. He said: “The expenses reforms announced yesterday won't affect me substantially, if at all.”

There are fears the expenses story will lower voter turnout at the June 4 election for all seats on Buckinghamshire County Council.

In a statement sent to all media chief executive Chris Williams said: “I am aware that the election is coming at a time when people are very concerned about the national issues regarding MPs expenses.”

Yet he said “our local councillors all do an extremely important job in representing their local communities and care passionately about delivering the very best”.

Chesham and Amersham MP Cheryl Gillan is to release a article to Bucks Free Press this afternoon on the subject.

She hit headlines after claiming £4.74 for dog food. This was a mistake and would be paid back, she said.


Comments(30)

Townman says...
11:54am Wed 20 May 09

ALL our MP's in Bucks, should communte to London. Just like thousands of others do. They may then get some understanding of the communter trains. And you never know. They may start to connect with their constituents. that may bring them into the real world.

smiley cat says...
12:00pm Wed 20 May 09

How noble of him!

LOl

J B Blackett says...
12:19pm Wed 20 May 09

Very Good Point , Townman ; and well put.

Smiley_c , I agree. Perhaps he should "go to the (noble) Lords" (or somewhere)

Regards

Moat and Chandelier Alert says...
12:29pm Wed 20 May 09

There is no earthly reason why the Commons needs to sit till 10.30pm (it does so about 50 times per year). This seems to be the only excuse offered for the "necessity" of having a Westminster second home by MPs living in Buckinghamshire. Personally I think this is a lame excuse but if that really is a concern, then why don't MPs change the Commons Chamber hours so they're not voting at 10pm at night. That would actually be a sensible move anywhere regardless of the expenses scandal.

erm says...
12:44pm Wed 20 May 09

my heart is bleeding

security words - nick-cash

smiley cat says...
12:53pm Wed 20 May 09

J B Blackett wrote:
Very Good Point , Townman ; and well put. Smiley_c , I agree. Perhaps he should "go to the (noble) Lords" (or somewhere) Regards
I think we should ask the Mayor to set up an appeal for him...

Poor soul.

Melanie1 says...
1:30pm Wed 20 May 09

Like most commuters my husband commutes daily. He catches the 0626 train in the morning and is often delayed until late at night, but even when he is on time he doesn't get in much before 7pm. They should try living in the real world where normal people struggle to pay for their own cleaning, garden furniture and bath plugs.

They are living in cloud cuckoo land if they really expect anyone with an ounce of sense to feel sorry for them.

marvelous says...
2:01pm Wed 20 May 09

No one at all has an ounce of sympathy for any of the MP's who have got themselves in this shambolic situation. If you do not like the way you are now going to be remunerated, then step aside for someone who would be proud to do the job within the new pay structure.

clarkesville says...
2:11pm Wed 20 May 09

Why when we live so close to London do we have to pay these expenses. Bucks is renowned for its easy access to London, we have to pay to travel so why not MPS. They get reductions in their living expenses such as council tax.

My blood boils when I think of the money they claim and I for one feel I don't want to ever vote again.

Geezer from says...
2:38pm Wed 20 May 09

What a load of Pooh. I know many people who commute to London. I did myself for five years, it cost as much as a Quarter of my salary for a season ticket. Why dont these Silly Billys realise that they MUST contribute to there lifestyles and not let us hard working citizens subsidise them any more !!!!!

Mutley says...
2:40pm Wed 20 May 09

Maybe a rented flat in Westminster is considerably more than £1250 per month but, leaving aside whether London accommodation is actually necessary, I'm sure a flat in nearby Southwark or Lambeth (just across the bridge) would be considerably less.

Red Snow says...
2:58pm Wed 20 May 09

More blood boiling comments from overpaid and shambolic MPs whom seem to do nothing else but help themselves ..... they all need a good lesson in living in teh real world!

Red Snow says...
2:58pm Wed 20 May 09

More blood boiling comments from overpaid and shambolic MPs whom seem to do nothing else but help themselves ..... they all need a good lesson in living in the real world!

Moat and Chandelier Alert says...
4:11pm Wed 20 May 09

Your article says "Chesham and Amersham MP Cheryl Gillan is to release a article to Bucks Free Press this afternoon on the subject.

She hit headlines after claiming £4.74 for dog food. This was a mistake and would be paid back, she said."

Perhaps the BFP could ask her how she justifies claiming 90k in expenses over 4 years for a Battersea flat while simultaneously claiming nearly 4k last year for car travel from her Bucks home to Westminster ( a higher figure than other Conservative Bucks MPs). This issue is surely not just about the price of a tin of dog food!

As your other correspondents have said, no Bucks MP needs a second home in London, particularly one subsidised at our expense.

lippy57 says...
6:31pm Wed 20 May 09

Awwwwww! My heart bleeds........... not!

Melanie1 says...
9:25pm Wed 20 May 09

Moat and Chandelier Alert wrote:
Your article says "Chesham and Amersham MP Cheryl Gillan is to release a article to Bucks Free Press this afternoon on the subject. She hit headlines after claiming £4.74 for dog food. This was a mistake and would be paid back, she said." Perhaps the BFP could ask her how she justifies claiming 90k in expenses over 4 years for a Battersea flat while simultaneously claiming nearly 4k last year for car travel from her Bucks home to Westminster ( a higher figure than other Conservative Bucks MPs). This issue is surely not just about the price of a tin of dog food! As your other correspondents have said, no Bucks MP needs a second home in London, particularly one subsidised at our expense.
Don't forget she also claimed for 2 monthly gas bills even though her gas account was in credit!

Now I can (almost) understand some dog food going through on a receipt erroneously but claiming for something when your account is in credit is going a bit far.

As to Aylesbury MP David Lidington if life is so tough and he's only going to 'cope' then why is he looking so happy? Presumably because he's fleeced so much out of the Great British Taxpayer that he's set for life!

Moat and Chandelier Alert says...
11:32pm Wed 20 May 09

Indeed Melanie1. Meanwhile, the Chesham and Amersham Conservatives have tonight posted this "explanation" on their website:
"The Executive Council of Chesham and Amersham Conservative Association met with Cheryl Gillian MP to discuss MP's expenses. Cheryl gave a full account of her expenses and whilst not supporting the actions of other members of the house explained the effect that the current publicity was having on the whole apparatus of government.

Cheryl indicated that all of her claims had been made by her personally. She offered a full apology for the embarrassment she had caused and indicated that she was mortified by her mistake. Cheryl was given a unanimous vote of confidence by the Executive."





Voyeur says...
11:57pm Wed 20 May 09

It is obvious that the Chesham and Amersham Conservatives still don't get it.

aug69 says...
12:46am Thu 21 May 09

Its a responcible job looking after so many peoples interests. They cant charge.Giving them a small perk for representing me is well worth it and no different than yet un disclosed perks in other fields.

smiley cat says...
4:46am Thu 21 May 09

aug69 wrote:
Its a responcible job looking after so many peoples interests. They cant charge.Giving them a small perk for representing me is well worth it and no different than yet un disclosed perks in other fields.
So let us know when they start looking after people's interests won't you? ;)

rambler241 says...
8:20am Thu 21 May 09

So far, I haven't seen ANY explicit reference in the news media to the actual rules governing MPs expense claims. A little Googling found me the claims "bible" last week at:

www.parliament.uk/do
cuments/upload/Green
Book.pdf

For your interest and amusement, here are the basic principles that MPs were required to adhere to:

Claims should be above reproach and must relect actual usage
of the resources being claimed.

Claims must only be made for expenditure that it was
necessary for a Member to incur to ensure that he or she could
properly perform his or her parliamentary duties.

Allowances are reimbursed only for the purpose of a Member
carrying out his or her parliamentary duties. Claims cannot
relate to party political activity of any sort, nor must any claim
provide a benefit to a party political organisation.

It is not permissible for a Member to claim under any
parliamentary allowance for anything that the Member is
claiming from any other source.

Members must ensure that claims do not give rise to, or give
the appearance of giving rise to, an improper personal financial
benefit to themselves or anyone else.

Members are committed to openness about what expenditure
has been incurred and for what purposes.

Individual Members take personal responsibility for all expenses
incurred, for making claims and for keeping records, even if the
administration of claims is delegated by them to others.

The requirement of ensuring value for money is central in
claiming for accommodation, goods or services – Members
should avoid purchases which could be seen as extravagant
or luxurious.

Claims must be supported by documentary evidence,
except where the House has agreed that such evidence is
not necessary.

Melanie1 says...
8:30am Thu 21 May 09

So Rambler 241, if I read you correctly, it's OK that Cheryl Gillan claimed for dog food as long as she ate it BUT it's not OK that she claimed for two gas payments as she didn't owe them anything.

Yet she gets a unanimous vote of confidence by the Executive! Executive of what - how to fiddle expenses?

rambler241 says...
9:26am Thu 21 May 09

Yes Melanie1 you are correct! If she ate the dog food so that "she could properly perform her parliamentary duties".

Anyway - I don't know why you're jumping down MY throat - I just listed the main principles of the rules, which are far more detaied than that.

It should be obvious to you and anyone else that the publicised claims of MPs in the press recently fall far outside these principles, let alone the detailed rules, and that some MPs have been behaving like pigs at the trough.

How the Claims Office could honour these claims when the rules are so clear beats me.

Download the PDF and have a look at them - they are a model of clarity (amazingly!).

I leave it to you to come to the same conclusion as myself, that it's not the rules which were fundamentally at fault, but greedy MPs and a colluding Claims Office. That's not to say that I believe the rules are due for overhaul - they certainly are.

Sticky says...
9:34am Thu 21 May 09

So, we could all wax lyrical for weeks on the detail of this debacle but isn't it time to move from indignation over symptoms to reasoned analysis of underlying causes?

Moat and Chandelier Alert (above) touches on this when they suggest that Parliament should operate more appropriate hours, but doesn't it go much deeper than this? A fundamental review and reform of what Parliament is there for and how it operates, dragging it out of silk stockings and maces and into the 21st century is what's needed. So long as we all continue obsessing about dog food and moats those at the heart of 'the system' can sit tight, wait for things to blow over and satisfy the general blood-**** with a few tinkering changes and the odd resignation.

The reality is the role of MPs has changed dramtically in the last 20 years and for many backbenchers their job is little more than an advocate for individual constituents' grievances. How many MPs do we need? What do we want them to do/be and how should we communictae with them and them us? What's the true relationship between local govt, Parliament and the Euro Parliament? What is the House of Lords for? I could go on - all issues those in power are quite happy to duck, and by getting so wound up by the detail we are coniving in this.

So long as there's a lack of purpose/meaning to Parliament don't be surprised to find it rotting from within.

Red Snow says...
10:57am Thu 21 May 09

After careful consideration and reading the postings here ..... I think we can all agree that these money grabbing, two faced and ignorant people do not deserve to hold a post such as an MP. They should all be voted out.

Moat and Chandelier Alert says...
11:07am Thu 21 May 09

Sticky - agree with everything you say. Our democracy is on the ropes and as you say this is about a lot more than moats, dog food and I hear this morning duck islands for goodness sake! We live in one of the most centralised countries in Europe with a weak and largely ineffectual Parliament (particularly when one party has a big working majority), so yes we need to see fundamental reform including an end to the first past the post system (which has guaranteed the same party control of hundreds of seats for ever and just encourages arrogance and MPs to be out of touch), and probably a big reduction in the number of MPs as well. And while we're at it we need to give local communities far more control and influence over things that affect them - one of the reasons so few people vote at local elections is precisely because local councils have so little power to stand up to central government on anything anymore. A process started by the arch centraliser herself Mrs Thatcher and sadly accelerated under "New Labour."

Melanie1 says...
12:24pm Thu 21 May 09

Rambler 241, sorry I wasn't intending to jump down your throat but after reading my post again I agree that it does appear that I am. No offence intended and again I'm sorry!

rambler241 says...
1:04pm Thu 21 May 09

's OK Melanie1 - your response seemed a little sharp to me at the time.

I wish to make an announcement:

I'm happy with the way in which WDC carries out the wishes of the local electorate.

I admire our hard-woking MPs and deplore any attempt to sully their reputations with ill-informed critisism of their expenses claims.

I admire Boris Johnson for his ability to gather together a team of untarnished reputation, and his laudable attempts to put right all that's wrong with London.

I recommend the provision of parking facilties in High Wycombe as a model for other towns and cities to follow.

I applaud Bucks. County Council in its dedication to covering up all the green bits surrounding High Wycombe and other Bucks. towns and villages with housing.

I think potholes add a lot of interest and excitement to our otherwise boring roads.

I watch with interest the conversion of town centres into windy mazes of yellow lines populated with estate agents' offices and little else.

My address henceforth will be:

C/O Jeffrey Archer Ward
Hospital for the Clinically Insane
Bexhill-on-Sea (Next to the drive-in McDonalds)

J B Blackett says...
1:19pm Thu 21 May 09

Take Care, rambler241

I posted a strongly ironic message ( with no obvious cynical content )

Then I was verbally chastised for being too supportive of our wonderful Bucks MPs

I've learned my lesson - just be open and 'up-front' ; like our MPs , I suppose.

Regards to you for your informative msg; will invetigate.

Why am I paying for your third home? says...
11:34pm Tue 26 May 09

At least David Lidington hasn't tried to justify the huge taxpayer subsidies for MPs second and in some cases third properties. I see that Cheryl Gillan MP by contrast is still trying to defend her Battersea flat subsidised by the taxpayer as "essential" to her duties.

But can anyone tell me why we are all having to pay these bills for someone who could easily commute to Westminster? Since 2001 she's claimed over £150,000 for this flat and still it goes on...


Cheryl Gillan 25/05/2009 Personal additional Accomodation Allowance Council Tax London Flat 85.00
.
Cheryl Gillan 25/05/2009 Personal additional Accomodation Allowance Utility Standing Order Gas London Flat 15.00
.
Cheryl Gillan 25/05/2009 Personal additional Accomodation Allowance Utility Standing Order ElectricityLondon Flat 13.00
.
Cheryl Gillan 25/05/2009 Personal additional Accomodation Allowance Telephone Standing Order London Flat 11.


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