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Conservatives hold county council


THE Conservatives have held Buckinghamshire County Council after all seats went up for election today.

The party increased one seat to 46 while the Liberal Democrats lost one to make 11.

Labour's share of the vote fell from third last time to fourth as candidates were edged out by UKIP.

To see how events unfolded see the live text commentary below.

For a list of results click here.

Amid warnings that the expenses scandal had put people off voting, the turnout fell to 40.1 per cent from 64.9 per cent at the last county election in 2005, when there was a general election.

The last local election, for Wycombe District Council in 2007, had a turnout of 34.6 per cent.

Compared to the last poll in 2005 the Conservatives dropped their share of the vote by 0.6 per cent to 49.2 per cent.

The Lib Dems went from 32.8 per cent to 28.1 per cent.

Labour fell from third to fourth as UKIP got 13.5 per cent, a massive rise from last time’s showing of 0.4 per cent.

Labour got 5.9 per cent of the vote, down from 15.9 per cent in 2005, where it won two seats. These members later defected to the Lib Dems and held their seats for the party today.

Greens went from 0.3 to 1.1 per cent, independent candidates went from 0.2 to 1.8 per cent while the BNP, standing for the first time, got 0.4 per cent.

The Conservatives have held the council since it was formed in 1973.

There was no change in the political balance in Wycombe and Chiltern districts while South Bucks lost a Liberal Democrat as all eight seats went Tory.

Lib Dem Alan Oxley lost Iver for South Bucks to go blue. For all the news from the Beaconsfield count click here..

Tory Steven Adams, who hit headlines after being attacked while out canvassing, lost Chesham North West by 37 votes to Lib Dem Michael Brand. In 2005 Mr Adams beat Mr Brand by 30 votes.

Yet Mohammed Bhatti beat the Lib Dems for the Tories in Chesham East to keep the political balance the same as 2005 in Chiltern.

For all the news from Chiltern click here..

There was tension at the High Wycombe count in the town hall as the last division to be called was that of council leader David Shakespeare, who the Lib Dems had campaigned to oust.

He held the seat and told Bucks Free Press: “I am delighted to be back working for my residents of the county council.

“We want to continue working hard for our residents for another four years.

“The most difficult challenge in the next four years will be finding the money to continue providing good quality services for our residents.”

He said he expected “bad news” from the Government over Ministers’ cash grant to the council. Its services include schools, social services and roads and pavements.

Cllr Shakespeare said: “The problem is delivering quality services within big reductions in cash.”

Tories will meet in Aylesbury at 7pm to elect a leader for the next term.

For election news click here.

1705 RESULT: Council leader David Shakespeare retains his seat along with fellow Tory division member Peter Cartwright for Ryemead, Tylers Green & Loudwater. This means none of the 19 seats in Wycombe division have changed hands with the Tories on 17 and the Lib Dems on two. Cllrs Shakespeare and Cartwright got 1,955 and 2,077 to Lib Dems’ 1,399 and 1,377 for Ray Farmer and Trevor Snaith. The two hoped to pick up the seat. UKIP got 401 and 348 and the British National Party got 183. Cllr Cartwright told the audience: “It was a very very hard fight, I personally knocked 2,528 doors. It proved worthwhile in the end.” The division went through a nail-biting recount. Cllr Shakespeare said: “Let’s hope Gordon Brown doesn’t take as long to call a General Election.” He added: “I would like to thank all the residents within my county division who have the sense to vote for a well run county council.”

1645 RESULT: Conservatives convincingly hold Marlow with 2,653 and 2,710 votes for sitting councillor Doug Anson and new member Richard Scott. Lib Dems are second with 1,660 and 1,688 votes then UKIP with 466 and 651, then Labour with 346 and 256 and then British National Party with 163. Only Ryemead, Tylers Green & Loudwater division remains where tension is high as the Lib Dems hope to oust Tory council leader David Shakespeare and councillor Peter Cartwright. So far no seats have changed hands in the district. So far Conservatives have 15 seats and the Lib Dems have two.

1635 RESULT: The best showing of the day in Wycombe for Labour as the party comes second in Downley, Disraeli, Oakridge and Castlefield. Conservatives Wendy Mallen and  Zahir Mohammed hold the seat with 2,079 and 2,196 votes while Labour’s Mohammed Hanif and Ian Bates get 1,261 and 997 votes. Mr Hanif said: “I think whatever happened the best candidate won.”  Cllr Mallen said: “There was a strong Asian vote, a good Asian turnout and that showed up in the mixed vote.”

1625 RESULT: Wycombe Conservatives hold two seats in Thames division. There are three divisions left comprising six seats. In Thames Mike Appleyard and David Watson were re-elected with 2,864 and 2,469. Other parties were the Lib Dems with 1,382 and 1,268, the Green Party with 681, UKIP with 538 and 536, and the British National Party’s Matthew Tait with 310.

16.10 RESULT: Independent candidate Graham Smith, who partly stood on an anti-incinerator platform, did not take the seat in The Chalfonts and Seer Green. He took 586 votes, while Tory rivals Timothy Butcher and Martin Tett won the post with 3,451 and 3,112 seats respectively.

David Schofield also helped maintain the Tory dominance with 2,199 votes in the Penn, Coleshill and Holmer Green division, beating his closest rival, Lib Dem Bob Young, by more than 1,600 votes.

1555 There were sighs as Wycombe returning officer Karen Satterford announced the high stakes Ryemead, Tylers Green & Loudwater division would be recounted. The Lib Dems are trying to topple council leader David Shakespeare and fellow Tory sitting councillor Peter Cartwright. Mrs Satterford told Bucks Free Press: “It is complicated. We want to go through and clarify what we have got. It is perfectly normal to do recounts.”

1525 RESULT: Another Tory Wycombe hold as Paul Rogerson keeps Icknield and Bledlow with 2,166 votes to Lib Dem’s 560 and UKIP’s 422. No seats have changed hands so far in the district with the Conservatives on nine and Lib Dems on two. Four more seats are left. Cllr Rogerson said: “I would like to thank all the people who helped me, especially those who canvassed so well for me.”

1525 RESULT: Tension is running high in High Wycombe as the count is held for Ryemead, Tylers Green & Loudwater where the Lib Dems have worked hard to try and oust council leader David Shakespeare and Councillor Peter Cartwright. Candidates and supporters are clamouring around the tables where the votes are being counted. Returning officer Karen Satterford has just taken to the mic has just urged them not to “learn across the tables and definitely not use mobile phones” to allow counters to concentrate.

1515 RESULT: Tory dominance has continued in the Chiltern district counts. Noel Brown has kept the Tory seat for Chess Valley with 1,120 votes, more than double those of his closest rival, Lib Dem Roy Abraham, who took 538. Patricia Birchley also stormed home for the conservatives in the Chiltern Ridges division.with 1,643 votes, beating the Lib Dem Richard Williams by nearly 1,100 votes. And in the Great Missenden ward Michael Colston, another conservative candidate took 2,052 votes, more than 1,100 above those achieved by his closest rival.

1508 RESULT: The Conservatives have the clean sweep in the South Bucks region, with Ruth Vigor-Hedderly stealing the Iver division with 1,042 votes from Lib Dem Alan Oxley, who took 981. UKIP's Susan Fagan won 481 votes. Meanwhile, South Bucks District Council leader Roger Reed completed the white-wash by taking Gerrards Cross and Denham North with 1,205 votes from independent Chris Brown who won 841 votes and John Fagan from UKIP who took 310 votes. Cllr Reed said: “This is an excellent result for the Conservative party in South Bucks and expect this to be reflected across both the county and around the country. “It sends out a strong message to Gordon Brown that we need a general election – enough is enough.”

1455 RESULT: Transport chief Valerie Letheren is re-elected for the Conservatives in Terriers and Amersham Hill. Cllr Letheren, cabinet member for transportation during the last council session, got 1,204 while Lib Dem Wendy Guy got 485, UKIP’s Heather Adams got 247 and Labour’s Matthew Kitching got 228. Cllr Letheren told the audience at High Wycombe Town Hall: “A big thank-you to my husband David who has had the most difficult six weeks of our marriage and survived it”.

1446 RESULT: For the Alderbourne division Conservative William Lidgate was re-elected with 1,131 votes, UKIP Richard Fagan came second with 606 votes and Lib Dem Edwina Mitchell received 444 votes.

RESULT: Peter Hardy for the Bulstrode division was re-elected with 1,407 votes for the Conservative, Lib Dem Peter Chapman came second with 487 votes then UKIP Ken Rumens with 341 votes.

1437 RESULT: Conservatives hold Greater Hughenden as the eighth out of 14 wards are declared in Wycombe. So far no seats have changed hands with the Tories on top. Richard Pushman gets 1,877 votes to 426 for the Lib Dems, 381 for UKIP and 172 for Labour. The European Parliament turnout for the district is confirmed as 36.94 per cent.

14.35RESULT: Steven Adams, the Conservative candidate pushed off his doorstep by a furious resident last week, lost his Chesham North West seat. Michael Brand took the seat for the Lib Dems with 984 votes against Mr Adams' 947. So far this appears to be the only sitting Tory post that has been lost to another party. At the last county election Mr Brand said he missed out on the seat by just 30 votes.

Mr Brand said: "It was a very tough fought campaign. "This time I'm going to fight for a better deal for Chesham - that's what I have been elected to do. "The Conservatives treated it as the third best and we need more investment into it."

Taking the Amersham ward were Conservative candidates Martin Phillips, with 3,075 votes and Pauline Wilkinson with 2,897 votes.

14.28RESULT: Lin Hazell the Conservative councillor has held her position in Burnham Beeches, re-elected with 1,321 votes, with 383 votes Lib Dem Chris Cole came second, UKIP Peter Price received 330 votes then Labour Helen Wright with 169 votes. Stoke Poges and Farnham Common saw Conservative councillor Trever Egleton also keeps his position with 1,499 votes beating UKIP representative in second place with 391 votes, Lib Dem Jason Bingley received 310 votes and Labour Lindsey Gillan 186 votes.

14.16RESULT: Conservative councillor Mohammed Bhatti has been elected for Chesham East with 1,283 votes. He said: “It's fantastic, I'm over the moon. I'm very proud I won it with a great majority. This is because I have done hard work in the ward and I have knocked on every door.”

14.16 -RESULT: Conservatives hold onto Taplow, Dorney and Lent Rise as councillor Dev Dhillon is elected replacing Peter Smith when he did not stand. He received 1,039 votes. Lib Dem David Kenneth came second with 377 and UKIP Ken Wright closely followed with 360 votes, Labour Catherine Palasz then followed with 187 votes.

Dev Dhillon said he was very pleased at his election and has promised to focus on 'making the area safer' and 'protecting the good education system in the area'.

1405 RESULT: There have been no changes between parties in Wycombe so far. Conservative Frank Downes holds Stokenchurch, Radnage and West Wycombe with 1,368. Lib Dems got 478, UKIP 405 and Labour 205. Tory Carl Etholen takes over from Dennis Green in The Risboroughs with 1,082 followed by independent Alan Turner with 1,104. Lib Dems got 278 and UKIP 177. Mr Etholen said: “I want to pay tribute to my fellow opponents for a fantastic campaign, it was so close, it could have gone anyway. I hope we can work very closely together in the future.”

1403 - RESULT: Conservative councillor and leader of South Bucks District Council, Adrian Busby has been elected for the Beaconsfield division gaining 1,481 votes. Lib Dem Jane Hartley came second with 390 votes then UKIP Joan Martin with 313 beating Labour when they received only 100 votes. He said: “It's never over until the boxes are open, but it has been the most interesting campaign that I've been involved in on the doorstep. “Over the past three weeks people's attitudes have changed dramatically, the first ten days were total apathy and then over the last ten days people's attitudes have hardened and they have really wanted to make their voices heard. “But I'm delighted to have been elected and I hope I can represent the people of Beaconsfield and make sure their voices get heard in Ayelsbury.” Mr Busby also gave a special mention to former County Councillor Margaret Dewar who was de-elected by the Conservatives before the election.

1400 RESULT: Conservative David Carroll holds Hazlemere as the British National Party, standing for the first time for BCC, finish last with 114 votes. Cllr Carroll picks up 1,727 votes with Lib Dem David Frank second with 562 and UKIP third with 358. Cllr Carroll says: “Can I thank the public for their faith in me.”

1355 RESULT: A rumoured UKIP upset in Booker, Cressex and Sands fails to materialise. Conservative Alan Hill holds the seat with 730 votes to UKIP’s Brian Pearce’s 657. Labour’s Nigel Vickery is third with 334 while Lib Dem Paula Lee is fourth with 274. Mr Pearce said: “I am disappointed, it was close but not close enough. I think it put the wind up them enough.”

1345 - Politicians are gatheing in anticipation for the first set of results at the Chiltern count. But Graham Smith, independent candidate for The Chalfonts & Seer Green, who is opposing the county council's waste strategy, was possibly going to have to leave the count before the result was announced. He said: “The important thing is not whether I win or not, but whether we can stop this incinerator getting built.” He said whether he won was “secondary to the vote which is taken in July.”

1342 RESULT: Lib Dems hold two seats and Conservatives hold one in Wycombe district. Sitting councillors Julia Wassell and Chaudhary Ditta, who defected to the Lib Dems from Labour last year got 1,854 and 1,855 votes compared to the Conservatives’ 1,121 and 1,104. UKIP got 510 and 358 while Labour got 450 and 396. Bob Woollard holds Chiltern Valley with 1,462 votes.

1305 - A victory is predicted for UKIP’s Brian Pearce in Booker, Cressex and Sands, Wycombe. Wife Lynne says of her chances in Bowerdean, Micklefield and Totteridge: “I don’t think I will get in, they key thing is to keep the message going.” Labour’s Nigel Vickery, standing in the division prediced another last place. “We have had more abuse on the doorstep than other parties,” he said. He said he wished voters could separate local from national politics.

1253 - Turnout figures are in for south Bucks and they show a huge dip. Alderbourne division fell from 62.5 per cent to 34.12 per cent, Burnham Beeches dropped from 61.2 per cent to 35.01 per cent, while just 37.94 per cent turned out in Beaconsfield as opposed to 67.7 per cent in 2005. Bulstrode fell 66.1 per cent to 36.26 per cent, while Iver dropped to 39.29 per cent from 63.7 per cent. Farnham was 36.22 per cent from 66 per cent and Taplow 33.37 per cent from 61.2 per cent. Gerrards Cross and Denham North has just come in and it's another fall, 62.8 per cent to 39.9 per cent.

1244 RESULT: Sitting Conservative councillor for Abbey, High Wycombe, Lesley Clarke, re-elected with 1,201 votes. Lib Dem Robert Perkins second with 333 then UKIP Josuha Luke with 278 and then Labour’s Ria Ramsaran with 257. Mrs Clarke, also leader of Wycombe District Council, said: “It has been hard work but a team effort”. She said of Labour’s last position: “The Westminster element has hit them, I feel quite sorry knowing quite a few of them.” Cllr Clarke upped her share of the vote from 50.1 per cent in 2005 to 58 per cent. Wycombe Labour agent John Barlow says he is expecting a “disappointing result” for all the district.

1230 - The rest of the turnout figures have been announced for Wycombe and show more falls. Booker, Cressex and Sands went from 58.2 in 2005 to 31.89. This is 65.5/37.47 in Chiltern Valley, 60.4/37.5 in Downley, Disraeli, Oakridge and Castlefield, 73.9/44.12 in Greater Hughenden, 65.9/36.9 in Hazlemere, 68.2/40.48 in Marlow, 61.7/33.85 in Terriers and Amersham Hill, 66.5/37.88 in Thames and 67.2/39.84 in The Risboroughs.

1223 - Counts have started in Wycombe for Abbey divisions and Bowerdean, Micklefield & Totteridge so those results should be in soon. Lesley Clarke is hoping to hold onto Abbey while the Lib Dems want to retain Bowerdean, Micklefield & Totteridge. Chiltern Valley count has also started.

1219 - Cllr Peter Hardy has told the BFP that the Conservatives are confident of holding all seats in south Bucks and the party has pin-pointed Iver has an 'important seat we can win', which current seat holder, Lib Dem Cllr Alan Oxley, is 'not feeling confident' about holding Iver.

1203 Wycombe count: Chiltern Valley Lib Dem candidate Neil Timberlake thinks his division is a safe Tory seat. Yet he is confident Julia Wassell and Chaudhary Ditta will hold Bowerdean, Micklefield & Totteridge for the party despite defecting from Labour last year. And he thinks the party has a chance of taking Ryemead, Tylers Green & Loudwater from sitting Conservatives Peter Cartwright and council leader David Shakespeare. “Labour are losing heavily”. Downley, Disraeli, Oakridge and Castlefield Tory candidate Wendy Mallen said: “We have put a lot of work in but a lot of people don’t seem to go out and vote”. Sitting Hazlemere Conservative councillor David Carroll said: “Hopefully I will get back in, I am the local man, what I hear on the doorstep is that people want local politicians”.

1152 - Speaking to the Bucks Free Press, Cllr Mohammed Bhatti, conservative candidate for Chesham East said the major issues highlighted by voters have been traffic and parking concerns. He also said he thought UKIP candidates may have taken some of the traditional Tory votes in the Chesham East and Chesham North West wards.

1145 – turnout has plummeted in wards just announced at the Wycombe count. Abbey division fell from 60.2 per cent in 2005 to 32.2 per cent this year. This was 53.9 to 33.3 in Bowerdean, Micklefield and Totteridge, 71.6 to 47.3 in Icknield and Bledlow, 60.7 to 36.9 in Ryemead, Tylers Green and Loudwater and 63.4 to 33.8 in Stokenchurch, Radnage and West Wycombe. It seems the expenses scandal has damaged local politics as well as national politics. Seeming as the European Parliament count was held on the same day it is likely that will see a low turnout too.

1125- Votes are still being verified at the Chiltern district count and but no results are expected to be announced until after 12pm. The counters have been working furiously to verify the numbers of votes for the EU parliament, before they are sent off to Southampton.

1120 - The count assistants are also busy beavering away with the south Bucks votes but don't get too excited just yet – we're not expecting the verification process to be completed until lunchtime at the earliest. A few keen (or perhaps worried?) candidates have got their eagle eyes focused firmly on those verifying the votes.

1103 - ballot papers are being verified at the Wycombe count. The news that the district's MP Paul Goodman is stepping down is the talk among everyone here. Apparently some have put their European vote into the council box - and this is causing delays!


Your Say YourBucks

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
2:43pm Fri 5 Jun 09

Nationally the tories have gained 2 councils from the lib dems so far.
The lib dems do not seem to be making much of an impact here so far.... oh noes!!!!

am i the only one, High Wycombe says...
2:43pm Fri 5 Jun 09

Well done Lesley

Slacker, Flackwell says...
3:22pm Fri 5 Jun 09

Same effing result every election. People clearly do not want change and are happy with the shoddy services and the high council tax charges.

I suppose I have to look on the bright side, the BNP did not get in.

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
3:41pm Fri 5 Jun 09

Well what choice is there really Slacker?

Labour - oh dear lord no!
Lib dems - good lord - did you read the fairytale manifesto? No one in their right minds would vote for them.

I spent ages this year thinking very carefully who I trusted with my vote.
This still may not have been the right thing and I still may live to rue the day.. BUT from my perspective the present administration have done nothing really appalling.

I am not one who worshipped the pool -I would rather other essential services were maintained.

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
3:43pm Fri 5 Jun 09

Rye mead however - that will be interesting..

Tref, OutStanding in my field says...
4:00pm Fri 5 Jun 09

Low turnouts frustrate me. How many of the non-voters will be grumbling about some council related issue in the future? Most probably... They should make everyone vote.

I am a postal voter - easy peasy and no excuse.

am i the only one, High Wycombe says...
4:08pm Fri 5 Jun 09

Postal vote for me, he, or she, who does not vote should not complain, this was the time to register your opinion at the ballot box.
Voting should be compulsory, as in other countries, even if it is a spoilt vote.

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
4:11pm Fri 5 Jun 09

am i the only one wrote:
Postal vote for me, he, or she, who does not vote should not complain, this was the time to register your opinion at the ballot box. Voting should be compulsory, as in other countries, even if it is a spoilt vote.
I agree - go read Eris's blog.
People died so that women could vote and not to do so is an insult to their memory.

Plus ça change..., Wycombe says...
5:16pm Fri 5 Jun 09


Keep up the live tension, BFreeP!

It's like a song contest, except better. No singing at all.

And no forced joviality...

Did anyone get 'nul points'?


smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
5:23pm Fri 5 Jun 09

Oh dear.....
Yog - seemingly people aren't as fired up about the pool as you hoped.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!


Pride, fall before comes a

Re arrange the words - arrogant lib dems!!!


lol SW - come-good.
Ohhhh yes!!!

Slacker, Flackwell says...
5:25pm Fri 5 Jun 09

smiley cat wrote:
Well what choice is there really Slacker?

Labour - oh dear lord no!
Lib dems - good lord - did you read the fairytale manifesto? No one in their right minds would vote for them.

I spent ages this year thinking very carefully who I trusted with my vote.
This still may not have been the right thing and I still may live to rue the day.. BUT from my perspective the present administration have done nothing really appalling.

I am not one who worshipped the pool -I would rather other essential services were maintained.
There is choice but we will never get to know how well they will do because the majority refuse to give the others a chance.

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
5:31pm Fri 5 Jun 09

Slacker wrote:
smiley cat wrote: Well what choice is there really Slacker? Labour - oh dear lord no! Lib dems - good lord - did you read the fairytale manifesto? No one in their right minds would vote for them. I spent ages this year thinking very carefully who I trusted with my vote. This still may not have been the right thing and I still may live to rue the day.. BUT from my perspective the present administration have done nothing really appalling. I am not one who worshipped the pool -I would rather other essential services were maintained.
There is choice but we will never get to know how well they will do because the majority refuse to give the others a chance.
As I said - I read their manifesto and was singularly unimpressed. Not only that but the lib dems on this web site are enough to put any one off..
Besides - I love Eden - why would I vote against the council who allowed it to happen?
Not only that but I am a firm believer in Grammar schools..
But I read the Guardian - oh noes - I am a contradiction in terms lol!

Plus ça change..., Wycombe says...
5:34pm Fri 5 Jun 09


Grammer?

Gramma?

Grama?





Just kidding - you spelt it correctly...


SDJones, Hazlemere says...
5:37pm Fri 5 Jun 09

Bloody tories in Hazlemere again, i cant believe how few people have actually voted god im sick of this country

free-hike

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
5:42pm Fri 5 Jun 09

Plus ça change... wrote:
Grammer? Gramma? Grama? Just kidding - you spelt it correctly...
My dear Sir (or madam!)

I went to a Grammar so I can assure you that I did !! ;)

tigeran, high wycombe says...
6:07pm Fri 5 Jun 09

Slacker wrote:
Same effing result every election. People clearly do not want change and are happy with the shoddy services and the high council tax charges. I suppose I have to look on the bright side, the BNP did not get in.
Are you a moron?!!! Who hands out the budgets for this county? LABOUR!! It is a well known fact that the Labour government withholds money to conservative constituencies and favours Labour ones!! People like you are so narrow minded!!

Slacker, Flackwell says...
7:30pm Fri 5 Jun 09

tigeran wrote:
Slacker wrote:
Same effing result every election. People clearly do not want change and are happy with the shoddy services and the high council tax charges. I suppose I have to look on the bright side, the BNP did not get in.
Are you a moron?!!! Who hands out the budgets for this county? LABOUR!! It is a well known fact that the Labour government withholds money to conservative constituencies and favours Labour ones!! People like you are so narrow minded!!
Yes they hand out the budgets, but who spends them badly?

Plus ça change..., Wycombe says...
7:36pm Fri 5 Jun 09


Nice to see that 'Indiana' voted in Bucks (pic)...





yog, says...
8:19pm Fri 5 Jun 09

smiley cat wrote:
Oh dear..... Yog - seemingly people aren't as fired up about the pool as you hoped. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Pride, fall before comes a Re arrange the words - arrogant lib dems!!! lol SW - come-good. Ohhhh yes!!!
I am more than happy.

Lib Dems prove that they are the only credible opposition to the Conservatives in Bucks.

Labour wiped out.

BNP & UKIP trounced.


When the Conservatives are gaining seats elsewhere they should really be picking up more seats.

Yet Pool Campaigners in Bowerdean, Micklefield and Totteridge romp home.

Pool campaigners in Ryemead, Tylers Green & Loudwater increase their share of the vote!

So sorry to disappoint you but people are clearly upset at the Conservatives decision to shut the pool.

:)


Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
8:33pm Fri 5 Jun 09

"According to the BBC's estimated projected national vote share - the Conservatives are on 38%, Labour on 23% - a historic low - the Lib Dems on 28% and other parties on 11%."

Smiley Cat seems to have it in for the Lib Dems, but I'm sure they'll be very satisfied with 28%. The real story here is the death throes of the Labour Party - fourth behind UKIP almost everywhere in Bucks!

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
9:03pm Fri 5 Jun 09

yog wrote:
smiley cat wrote: Oh dear..... Yog - seemingly people aren't as fired up about the pool as you hoped. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Pride, fall before comes a Re arrange the words - arrogant lib dems!!! lol SW - come-good. Ohhhh yes!!!
I am more than happy. Lib Dems prove that they are the only credible opposition to the Conservatives in Bucks. Labour wiped out. BNP & UKIP trounced. When the Conservatives are gaining seats elsewhere they should really be picking up more seats. Yet Pool Campaigners in Bowerdean, Micklefield and Totteridge romp home. Pool campaigners in Ryemead, Tylers Green & Loudwater increase their share of the vote! So sorry to disappoint you but people are clearly upset at the Conservatives decision to shut the pool. :)
LOL

But not enough to get in though?

Put whatever political spin on it you like... pretend that you are pleased... show a brave face.

Tories have 46 seats . Lib dems 11.

Lib dems went from 32% to 28% ..

Credible party??
LOL.

People don't want wishy washy politics from a wishy washy party.
You LOST - fair and square!


smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
9:04pm Fri 5 Jun 09

And if they were that upset then how come Councillor's Shakespeare and Cartwright still hav their seats?

yog, says...
1:55am Sat 6 Jun 09

The Conservatives have been in power on the County Council for over 120 years. When the Tories were at their worst in the sleazy Major years the only county Council they controlled in the whole of the UK was Bucks! So forgive me for not expecting a miracle when the Tories nationally are riding high.

Of course the vote share went down overall, UKIP fielded a near enough full slate of candidates so hardly surprising!

I am more than happy that the Lib Dems gained Bowerdean, Micklefield & Totteridge from Labour.
I'm not greedy :)

And if the Pool was not an issue then why were Conservative candidates Shakespeare & Cartright desperate enough to start lying to people by claiming that they were supporting the pool?





stonema1, Gerrards Cross says...
8:16am Sat 6 Jun 09

I was very disappointed to see
Roger Reed (Conservative) has been elected as a County Councillor for Gerrards Cross with 51.1% of the vote.

There were three candidates standing in Gerrards Cross

Roger Reed Conservative 12
05 51.1% Elected

Chris Brown Independent 84
1 35.7% Not elected

John Fagan UK Independence 310 13.
2% Not elected

Yet Chris Brown (Independent) was the only candidate who bothered to send any sort of election communication – with no letter or leaflet being received from either Roger Reed or John Fagan.

If a candidate can’t be bothered to contact potential electors before the election, how well will he represent them afterwards!

NB: The European election was a different story with election communications received from the Conservative, Liberal, UKIP and Green parties.
hear-role

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
10:25am Sat 6 Jun 09

Just for the record..
I actually am not a huge fan of Shakespeare. I will not go into it here as this is a public site etc. BUT I have maintained all along that you Lib Dems were using the pool as a reason to get into power and that annoyed me.
You are a 'jumping on the bandwagon' party and because you know you will never get into power, you can safely promise the world because you know you will never have to deliver.
I did read your manifesto. Interestingly I did not get one thro the door and yet I got just about all the others thro - ah well.
Your manifesto to me was idealistic claptrap and spoke of money being spent on things I did not agree with.
Up to that point I was a floating voter altho it has to be said thanks to the likes of you and your cronies it was doubtful that I would have voted for lib dem anyway.

So take what victory you can muster Yog - it is a shallow one and you know it.
Oh and tell your leader not to bother to stand as MP - we all know he has no chance. Bucks has spoken.

I will also say this - I think it is a great shame we do not have more of a mixture of councillors as I do not like the monopoly that the tories have, BUT lib dems need to accept that they are not a major threat to the Tory stronghold - just a protest ve.ot

green damage limitation, Bucks says...
10:29am Sat 6 Jun 09

Big issue is the Tory hoards always vote automatically-- they have an inbuilt need to vote to protect their lifestyles . Its Tory self preservation that drives them to vote!!!

Unfortunately the mass of people don't vote due to inertia ,social issues and other Financial and social factors impacting their everyday lives.

Its the Tory mission to keep these underdogs down !!! Thats why they dont invest in community provision, educate all to the same standard as Granmmar schools and support community groups and Holywellmead Pool

Shame because if these none voters ( over 60% of electorate) all came out to vote we could wipe Shakespeare Clarke and Torys out of Bucks

Once again its the tory few managing the masses

Its now time for Wycombe to stand up and get the Town Council that the Torys dont want -- Come on Lib Dems make it happen !!!!!!

green damage limitation, Bucks says...
10:36am Sat 6 Jun 09

green damage limitation wrote:
Big issue is the Tory hoards always vote automatically-- they have an inbuilt need to vote to protect their lifestyles . Its Tory self preservation that drives them to vote!!! Unfortunately the mass of people don't vote due to inertia ,social issues and other Financial and social factors impacting their everyday lives. Its the Tory mission to keep these underdogs down !!! Thats why they dont invest in community provision, educate all to the same standard as Granmmar schools and support community groups and Holywellmead Pool Shame because if these none voters ( over 60% of electorate) all came out to vote we could wipe Shakespeare Clarke and Torys out of Bucks Once again its the tory few managing the masses Its now time for Wycombe to stand up and get the Town Council that the Torys dont want -- Come on Lib Dems make it happen !!!!!!
PS
"Granmmar schools" --- perhaps if we had benefits of same quality schooling across all of Bucks i could spell better

I do however see asset stripping and poor services across Bucks and its time for a change and a Town Council for Wycombe so we can protect local heritage and stop Clarke and Shakespeare asset stripping High Wycombe town further

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
11:05am Sat 6 Jun 09

Green damage...
Whether you want to admit it or not, the people of Bucks have spoken.
By not voting they have spoken as well and you can't keep deluding yourself otherwise.

I take great exception to your remarks TBH - you are patronising in the extreme and I 'll tell you something.
Grammar schools are what keeps the tories in Bucks and until the lib dems and labour promise to keep our Grammar schools safe, they will never have a chance - no matter how good their policies are.
Oh and your precious lib dem's spoke about looking at posts at the county council. Sorry I will not vote for anyone who is not in power who freely admits to making people redundant.

green damage limitation, Bucks says...
11:33am Sat 6 Jun 09

smiley cat wrote:
Green damage... Whether you want to admit it or not, the people of Bucks have spoken. By not voting they have spoken as well and you can't keep deluding yourself otherwise. I take great exception to your remarks TBH - you are patronising in the extreme and I 'll tell you something. Grammar schools are what keeps the tories in Bucks and until the lib dems and labour promise to keep our Grammar schools safe, they will never have a chance - no matter how good their policies are. Oh and your precious lib dem's spoke about looking at posts at the county council. Sorry I will not vote for anyone who is not in power who freely admits to making people redundant.
Grammars schools are great but need to offer more places to local Kids -- rather than out of area Kids and shipping children round the county!!
whats needed is for Shakespeare and Tory cronies to invest and bring all other Bucks schools up to same standard

As for jobs I recall it is Bucks and Wycombe Torys who are making staff redundant NOW! -- Ive always found that Torys are naturally bred to make the best asset strippers of services and staff !!!

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
11:40am Sat 6 Jun 09

green damage limitation wrote:
smiley cat wrote: Green damage... Whether you want to admit it or not, the people of Bucks have spoken. By not voting they have spoken as well and you can't keep deluding yourself otherwise. I take great exception to your remarks TBH - you are patronising in the extreme and I 'll tell you something. Grammar schools are what keeps the tories in Bucks and until the lib dems and labour promise to keep our Grammar schools safe, they will never have a chance - no matter how good their policies are. Oh and your precious lib dem's spoke about looking at posts at the county council. Sorry I will not vote for anyone who is not in power who freely admits to making people redundant.
Grammars schools are great but need to offer more places to local Kids -- rather than out of area Kids and shipping children round the county!! whats needed is for Shakespeare and Tory cronies to invest and bring all other Bucks schools up to same standard As for jobs I recall it is Bucks and Wycombe Torys who are making staff redundant NOW! -- Ive always found that Torys are naturally bred to make the best asset strippers of services and staff !!!
Fair point - they are. All the more reason for the other parties to emphasise they are not.
Don't get me wrong - despite what you may think I am not a die hard tory - I just do not like the tactics of the lib dems.
I do think we need more of a mix in the county council.
And you think Bucks is a bad CC - try working for Slough - OMG!!!

Voyeur, HW says...
12:25pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Tref wrote:
Low turnouts frustrate me. How many of the non-voters will be grumbling about some council related issue in the future? Most probably... They should make everyone vote.

I am a postal voter - easy peasy and no excuse.
Hi Tref

Even in countries where voting is compulsory (actually it is only compulsory to attend the polling station as it is usually a secret ballot) that may be only for national elections.

I know in Australia where there is compulsory voting, it is not compulsory to vote in local government elections. The turnout though is still quite good but not as good as state and federal elections.

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
12:27pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Voyeur wrote:
Tref wrote: Low turnouts frustrate me. How many of the non-voters will be grumbling about some council related issue in the future? Most probably... They should make everyone vote. I am a postal voter - easy peasy and no excuse.
Hi Tref Even in countries where voting is compulsory (actually it is only compulsory to attend the polling station as it is usually a secret ballot) that may be only for national elections. I know in Australia where there is compulsory voting, it is not compulsory to vote in local government elections. The turnout though is still quite good but not as good as state and federal elections.
But if you make voting compulsory, isn't that defeating the principles of democracy?
Afterall - it is as much your right NOT to vote as it is TO vote.

Plus ça change..., Wycombe says...
1:06pm Sat 6 Jun 09


Things just feel a little bit better and a little bit more normal...

Would be even better if people stopped forcing their petty party politics on others and started thinking about someone other than themselves.

The country now needs a complete 'overhaul'.

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
2:28pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Plus ça change... wrote:
Things just feel a little bit better and a little bit more normal... Would be even better if people stopped forcing their petty party politics on others and started thinking about someone other than themselves. The country now needs a complete 'overhaul'.
What is needed is a man of action who can step in at times of crisis and lead!
Now do you know of such a man??
Could it possibly be old supersized blogger???

SW push -meal.

Blueberry, S Bucks says...
3:11pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Smiley - I don't agree with you on everything, but you're not the only one who reads the Guardian but supports grammar schools. LOL

Green damage limitiation said "Grammars schools are great but need to offer more places to local Kids -- rather than out of area Kids and shipping children round the county!! "

I think you misunderstand the system. As in any debate, one needs facts not rumour, impression and out of date info.

The admission process is clearly explained in a downloadable booklet on the Bucks CC website.

Around 25% of Bucks children qualify for grammar and of those, proximity to the school is the deciding factor in most cases.



smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
3:27pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Blueberry wrote:
Smiley - I don't agree with you on everything, but you're not the only one who reads the Guardian but supports grammar schools. LOL Green damage limitiation said "Grammars schools are great but need to offer more places to local Kids -- rather than out of area Kids and shipping children round the county!! " I think you misunderstand the system. As in any debate, one needs facts not rumour, impression and out of date info. The admission process is clearly explained in a downloadable booklet on the Bucks CC website. Around 25% of Bucks children qualify for grammar and of those, proximity to the school is the deciding factor in most cases.
Of course it is. Both my children have been thro the Grammar school system and it is still proximity that counts. Having said that tho, I think Borlases in Marlow do take quite a few kids from over the border - I think that is the exception to the rule tho.

Blueberry, S Bucks says...
3:31pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Green damage limitation also said "educate all to the same standard as Granmmar schools"

I'm not sure what you mean by that or how you could measure it.

By definition, grammars are for those more inclined to traditional academic exams, so you'd never get upper schools producing A level results comparable with grammars (or if you did, it would mean the selection process was very wrong).

However, if you mean the education all children receive should be equally effective and tailored to their needs and talents... I'm not sure how you'd decide if that had been achieved. The Contextualised Value Added scores in league tables attempt to do that, but most people on both sides of the debate have doubts about the accuracy and usefulness of it.

Do you have a suggestion?

Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
3:57pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Same old codswallop about grammar schools trundled out every time!
Here are some facts:
1. Tories are no longer 'pro-grammar' school. Someone should tell local Tories this.
2. Labour are supposed to opposed grammar schools, but after more than a decade in power, they haven't closed any.
3. Find me one shred of evidence that the Lib Dems are against grammar schools. You won't find anything in any of their policy documents.
At every election, local Tories peddle their lies about being the party that will keep grammar schools in Bucks and the other parties will close them. Only the parents can change the system in Bucks - and unfortunately, they won't and we're stuck with it. The system stinks and is based on your ability to afford private tuition for your kids. We all know that, but if you can afford the fees you don't care.

Voyeur, HW says...
3:57pm Sat 6 Jun 09

The American War of Independence was fought along the lines of "no taxation without representation".

Surely if people pay taxes and utilise services coming from those taxes, then they should exercise their vote in a democracy.

Are those that advocate withholding the vote as a democratic right really advocating silence for 4 years until the next election?

At least if you vote you have earned the right to criticise your elected representatives.

Plus ça change..., Wycombe says...
3:58pm Sat 6 Jun 09

smiley cat wrote:
Plus ça change... wrote: Things just feel a little bit better and a little bit more normal... Would be even better if people stopped forcing their petty party politics on others and started thinking about someone other than themselves. The country now needs a complete 'overhaul'.
What is needed is a man of action who can step in at times of crisis and lead! Now do you know of such a man?? Could it possibly be old supersized blogger??? SW push -meal.

Forget that,
Smiley cat!
(rhymes..)

You'd end up with a Wycombe with 8 bus stations, a throne at each bus stop, washing machines on sale at every corner and shopping centres with squeaky doors.




smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
4:02pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Save Wycombe wrote:
Same old codswallop about grammar schools trundled out every time! Here are some facts: 1. Tories are no longer 'pro-grammar' school. Someone should tell local Tories this. 2. Labour are supposed to opposed grammar schools, but after more than a decade in power, they haven't closed any. 3. Find me one shred of evidence that the Lib Dems are against grammar schools. You won't find anything in any of their policy documents. At every election, local Tories peddle their lies about being the party that will keep grammar schools in Bucks and the other parties will close them. Only the parents can change the system in Bucks - and unfortunately, they won't and we're stuck with it. The system stinks and is based on your ability to afford private tuition for your kids. We all know that, but if you can afford the fees you don't care.
I wasn't privately tutored.
Neither were my sister and brothers.
Neither was my husband.
Neither were any of my friends.
Neither were my children or any of their friends - and we all went to Grammar schools.

Fascile argument - just keep on a chewing on those sour grapes..

Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
4:16pm Sat 6 Jun 09

smiley cat wrote:
Save Wycombe wrote:
Same old codswallop about grammar schools trundled out every time! Here are some facts: 1. Tories are no longer 'pro-grammar' school. Someone should tell local Tories this. 2. Labour are supposed to opposed grammar schools, but after more than a decade in power, they haven't closed any. 3. Find me one shred of evidence that the Lib Dems are against grammar schools. You won't find anything in any of their policy documents. At every election, local Tories peddle their lies about being the party that will keep grammar schools in Bucks and the other parties will close them. Only the parents can change the system in Bucks - and unfortunately, they won't and we're stuck with it. The system stinks and is based on your ability to afford private tuition for your kids. We all know that, but if you can afford the fees you don't care.
I wasn't privately tutored.
Neither were my sister and brothers.
Neither was my husband.
Neither were any of my friends.
Neither were my children or any of their friends - and we all went to Grammar schools.

Fascile argument - just keep on a chewing on those sour grapes..
At least at the school I went to we learned how to spell 'facile'.

You may not have had extra tuition, but the private tutors are doing a very brisk trade. The argument is not facile, and the fact was acknowledged recently by one David Willetts. That made a few Telegraph readers choke on their cornflakes!
Check it out for yourself:
http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/uknews/1
551714/David-Willett
s-speech-on-grammar-
schools.html
PS - no sour grapes here

Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
4:16pm Sat 6 Jun 09

smiley cat wrote:
Save Wycombe wrote:
Same old codswallop about grammar schools trundled out every time! Here are some facts: 1. Tories are no longer 'pro-grammar' school. Someone should tell local Tories this. 2. Labour are supposed to opposed grammar schools, but after more than a decade in power, they haven't closed any. 3. Find me one shred of evidence that the Lib Dems are against grammar schools. You won't find anything in any of their policy documents. At every election, local Tories peddle their lies about being the party that will keep grammar schools in Bucks and the other parties will close them. Only the parents can change the system in Bucks - and unfortunately, they won't and we're stuck with it. The system stinks and is based on your ability to afford private tuition for your kids. We all know that, but if you can afford the fees you don't care.
I wasn't privately tutored.
Neither were my sister and brothers.
Neither was my husband.
Neither were any of my friends.
Neither were my children or any of their friends - and we all went to Grammar schools.

Fascile argument - just keep on a chewing on those sour grapes..
At least at the school I went to we learned how to spell 'facile'.

You may not have had extra tuition, but the private tutors are doing a very brisk trade. The argument is not facile, and the fact was acknowledged recently by one David Willetts. That made a few Telegraph readers choke on their cornflakes!
Check it out for yourself:
http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/uknews/1
551714/David-Willett
s-speech-on-grammar-
schools.html
PS - no sour grapes here

Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
4:20pm Sat 6 Jun 09

'But the trouble is that the chances of a child from a poor background getting to a grammar school in those parts of the country where they do survive are shockingly low. Just 2 per cent of children at grammar schools are on free school meals when those low income children make up 12 per cent of the school population in their areas.'
Extract from David Willetts speech.

Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
4:21pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Now, Smiley Cat, do you want to have a proper debate about education instead of flinging mud around? Most Bucks kids go to Secondary Moderns - do you care about them?

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
4:29pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Save Wycombe wrote:
Now, Smiley Cat, do you want to have a proper debate about education instead of flinging mud around? Most Bucks kids go to Secondary Moderns - do you care about them?
Why would I?
I'm not the one flinging mud around. You are - insinuating that only people who have money send their children to Grammar schools.

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
4:34pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Oh and I can't spell facile!
Oh noes!!!!

LOL

Steve Guy, High Wycombe says...
4:37pm Sat 6 Jun 09

smiley cat wrote:
Save Wycombe wrote:
Now, Smiley Cat, do you want to have a proper debate about education instead of flinging mud around? Most Bucks kids go to Secondary Moderns - do you care about them?
Why would I?
I'm not the one flinging mud around. You are - insinuating that only people who have money send their children to Grammar schools.
I'm not insinuating anything - I'm pointing out the FACT (supported by verification from the Tories) that if you have money your children are more likely to get into a grammar school. I'm not comfortable with that FACT because I believe all children deserve the same opportunities.

Blueberry, S Bucks says...
4:37pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Save Wycombe: certainly there are valid concerns about the number of poor children in grammars. However, that report relates to ALL grammars across the country.

In areas such as London and Essex where there are very few grammars, only a small proportion of mainly middle class children apply and only a tiny proportion of applicants get in, and that tends to be those from more affluent homes.

Whilst I don't claim it's all totally equal in Bucks, it is VERY different. There are two main reasons. ALL Bucks children sit 11+ unless their parents actively withdraw them. Secondly, around a quarter qualify for grammar and thus the social mix tends to be greater than in the "super selectives" in areas that are predominantly comprehensive.

Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
4:43pm Sat 6 Jun 09

smiley cat wrote:
Save Wycombe wrote:
Now, Smiley Cat, do you want to have a proper debate about education instead of flinging mud around? Most Bucks kids go to Secondary Moderns - do you care about them?
Why would I?
I'm not the one flinging mud around. You are - insinuating that only people who have money send their children to Grammar schools.
Steve beat me to it - pointing out facts is not the same as insinuating something. It is one thing to claim that our grammar schools are excellent (which they are) but it is perfectly fair to question why kids from poorer homes are less likely to get there! You may not have needed extra coaching to pass your eleven plus - but if you did then would/could your parents have paid for it?

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
4:43pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Well - here is my neck and I am sticking it out!

Children should be tested on their abilities - some are not so bright and need extra help. Some are very bright and also should be helped to realise their potential.
What on earth is wrong with that?
It is woolly thinking like this that has devalued our education system and made degrees two a penny.
We have a shortage of plumbers, electricians and yes - brick builders. We need skilled artisans not people qualified in golf course management.
There is a shortage of engineers and scientists, physics and chemistry teachers.
Some universities are closing science departments in favour of "softer" art subjects.
So children deserve opportunities that are appropriate for them..NOT what some think tank assumes.

Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
4:46pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Blueberry wrote:
Save Wycombe: certainly there are valid concerns about the number of poor children in grammars. However, that report relates to ALL grammars across the country.

In areas such as London and Essex where there are very few grammars, only a small proportion of mainly middle class children apply and only a tiny proportion of applicants get in, and that tends to be those from more affluent homes.

Whilst I don't claim it's all totally equal in Bucks, it is VERY different. There are two main reasons. ALL Bucks children sit 11+ unless their parents actively withdraw them. Secondly, around a quarter qualify for grammar and thus the social mix tends to be greater than in the "super selectives" in areas that are predominantly comprehensive.
Your absolutely right about Bucks being different. That is because Bucks has NO comprehensive schools. If I had the choice, I would have sent my kids to a good comprehensive school. Bucks has an all or nothing approach with nothing in between. Kids are individuals and develop at different rates. They don't all fit in to two neat pigeon holes.

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
4:47pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Save Wycombe wrote:
smiley cat wrote:
Save Wycombe wrote: Now, Smiley Cat, do you want to have a proper debate about education instead of flinging mud around? Most Bucks kids go to Secondary Moderns - do you care about them?
Why would I? I'm not the one flinging mud around. You are - insinuating that only people who have money send their children to Grammar schools.
Steve beat me to it - pointing out facts is not the same as insinuating something. It is one thing to claim that our grammar schools are excellent (which they are) but it is perfectly fair to question why kids from poorer homes are less likely to get there! You may not have needed extra coaching to pass your eleven plus - but if you did then would/could your parents have paid for it?
No they wouldn't. I was raised by very intelligent and loving parents on a council estate who struggled and saved and bought their own house.
You see I come from PROPER working class stock and was encouraged all the way along to better myself.
Oh and my parents - both of them tories .. there are a lot of working class folk that are.

Blueberry, S Bucks says...
4:48pm Sat 6 Jun 09

But to be sure of getting your kids into a good comprehensive, you'd need to live near - and homes near such schools, whether bought or rented, are more expensive. So poor children are still excluded.

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
4:49pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Save Wycombe wrote:
Blueberry wrote: Save Wycombe: certainly there are valid concerns about the number of poor children in grammars. However, that report relates to ALL grammars across the country. In areas such as London and Essex where there are very few grammars, only a small proportion of mainly middle class children apply and only a tiny proportion of applicants get in, and that tends to be those from more affluent homes. Whilst I don't claim it's all totally equal in Bucks, it is VERY different. There are two main reasons. ALL Bucks children sit 11+ unless their parents actively withdraw them. Secondly, around a quarter qualify for grammar and thus the social mix tends to be greater than in the "super selectives" in areas that are predominantly comprehensive.
Your absolutely right about Bucks being different. That is because Bucks has NO comprehensive schools. If I had the choice, I would have sent my kids to a good comprehensive school. Bucks has an all or nothing approach with nothing in between. Kids are individuals and develop at different rates. They don't all fit in to two neat pigeon holes.
Its easy to say that with the safety of knowing that it didn't happen.
We have some very very good secondary moderns and you do them a grave disservice by insinuating otherwise.

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
4:50pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Blueberry wrote:
But to be sure of getting your kids into a good comprehensive, you'd need to live near - and homes near such schools, whether bought or rented, are more expensive. So poor children are still excluded.
LOL
You are absolutely right . ah yes champagne socialists - got to love them!

Steve Guy, High Wycombe says...
4:51pm Sat 6 Jun 09

I do feel that those who favour the retention of selection in Bucks have to address the issue of inequality. The system can only be defended if it offers genuine opportunity for all to thrive. That the system is broken is beyond doubt. The question we all need to ask is 'how do we fix it?'

towncryer, HIgh Wycombe town says...
4:54pm Sat 6 Jun 09

I wonder why the Tories didnt fight county elections school issues and improving quality of secondary education in Bucks ---can anyone shed light

Steve Guy, High Wycombe says...
4:56pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Have to agree with Smiley Cat about that - as I am a governor at one! Now, if we could get the right level of funding...

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
4:59pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Steve Guy wrote:
Have to agree with Smiley Cat about that - as I am a governor at one! Now, if we could get the right level of funding...
Well Steve I firmly believe in the selective system but I also feel we do have some darn good secondary moderns. Obviously you do know more about funding and if what you say is right ( and I have no reason to disbelieve you) then yes we should have a little equality in the funding.
But not at the expense of a good system. It works in Bucks - thats all there is to it.

Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
5:02pm Sat 6 Jun 09

smiley cat wrote:
Well - here is my neck and I am sticking it out!

Children should be tested on their abilities - some are not so bright and need extra help. Some are very bright and also should be helped to realise their potential.
What on earth is wrong with that?
It is woolly thinking like this that has devalued our education system and made degrees two a penny.
We have a shortage of plumbers, electricians and yes - brick builders. We need skilled artisans not people qualified in golf course management.
There is a shortage of engineers and scientists, physics and chemistry teachers.
Some universities are closing science departments in favour of "softer" art subjects.
So children deserve opportunities that are appropriate for them..NOT what some think tank assumes.
Actually agree with that. That is why good comprehensive schools stream students according to ability. The great benefit is that individual pupils can be moved up or down if they are found to be at the wrong level. It's a more flexible approach that doesn't give kids the same 'them and us' feeling of sending them to different schools. It works so well that the top performing state funded school in the whole nation is comprehensive and when another region balloted parents about bringing back selection they wholeheartedly rejected it.

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
5:11pm Sat 6 Jun 09

The only reason that children feel an "us and them" situation is because of the idiot parents who promise the world to them if they "pass" the 11 plus.
It is ALL parent expectations that cause the problems.
My children both went to Grammars and have friends in secondary moderns and vice versa.
If you think about it logically, the majority of kids go to upper schools so hardly an us and them situation.

Blueberry, S Bucks says...
5:14pm Sat 6 Jun 09

To Save Wycombe:

There is not single "top performing state funded school". It depends what you're measuring and how you weight things. Different league tables will give very different answers.

When, where and why did a local authority ballot about bringing back selection? I'm not trying to be picky, but it makes a difference as to whether it was only a year or two after selection was abolished (high hopes for comprehensivisation not yet dashed) or was recently, in the era of league tables.

Blueberry, S Bucks says...
5:17pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Re differential funding for grammars and uppers, I hear it mentioned often, but don't know if it's true or myth (if it's true, it's clearly wrong). Can anyone provide a source, funding formula or whatever to prove or disprove? Thanks

Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
5:19pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Solihull:
http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/educat
ion/education-news/e
ducation-the-end-of-
the-grammar-school-1
179844.html

Blueberry, S Bucks says...
5:22pm Sat 6 Jun 09

To Steve Guy, re inequality.

If it was somehow possible to outlaw all coaching (whether paid for or by parents), the uncomfortable truth is that academically selective schools would still have a higher proportion of more affluent children.
Advantage breeds advantage, both in nature and in capitalism. In fully selective authorities such as Bucks and comprehensive ones such as Herts, although the admissions process my be very different, the "best" schools (which is a misnomer, as they're not "best" for every child) still have fewer poor children in them than neighbouring schools that are not as popular.

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
5:26pm Sat 6 Jun 09

I am loving the fact that Steve is on here arguing with little old me about local politics. Ah well - I suppose you have to have something to do and at least you do not resort to petty insults like some of your supporters on here.
Sadly Steve - they are not doing your cause any good at all.

Blueberry, S Bucks says...
5:29pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Thanks for the link, Save Wycombe. It seems it was in the 80s when Solihull voted against returning to selection. That's a very small geographical area and more than 20 years ago, so hard to extrapolate, but interesting nevertheless.

Blueberry, S Bucks says...
5:36pm Sat 6 Jun 09

To Save Wycombe re Solihull voting against a return to selection in the 80s, another article in the Independent (http://www.independ
ent.co.uk/news/uk/ti
me-to-bring-back-gra
mmar-schools-1338364
.html) reckons the reason was to RETAIN social selectivity: it was a small and affluent district where poor children were priced out and introducing selection would mean some of the middle class children being exluded in favour of bright but less well off ones!

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
5:39pm Sat 6 Jun 09

Got to say it Blueberry - you are good! :)

Steve Guy, High Wycombe says...
5:51pm Sat 6 Jun 09

smiley cat wrote:
I am loving the fact that Steve is on here arguing with little old me about local politics. Ah well - I suppose you have to have something to do and at least you do not resort to petty insults like some of your supporters on here.
Sadly Steve - they are not doing your cause any good at all.
Always happy to have a reasonable debate with anyone. I don't have any control about what anyone else posts here! All parties have some supporters who are more reasonable in a debate than others. I actually care deeply about education. Nothing gives someone a better start in life than a decent education. There is inequality at the moment, and the challenge for us all (from whatever party) is to correct the inequality. With regard to funding, my party favours a 'pupil premium' which would mean extra funding for schools who take kids from poorer backgrounds. We don't say anything about closing grammar schools, despite what our opponents say. The trouble with Bucks is that people can't see past being 'for or against grammar schools' so that we can have a productive debate. The system is currently not working properly in Bucks. Let's have a debate about how we can make it better.

tom.marlow, marlow says...
9:38am Sun 7 Jun 09

As I've said more than once before, I think that the problem lies much more with the selection process.

I don't have a huge problem with grammar schools. The system we have here is neither much better or much worse than the systems used elsewhere; it happens to be what the majority in buckinghamshire appear to want.

It's just that the process of deciding which children go to which schools does not work very well. Its too simplistic and inflexible. It doesn't reflect that children develop massively in terms of maturity at that age. There is a lot of evidence that parents ability to pay for coaching affects results.

Rather than arguing about whether or not grammar schools are a good idea I think more effort should be put into improving the seclection process.

u k pensioner, uk says...
10:18am Sun 7 Jun 09

We voted bnp in euro elections and just maybe, fingers crossed we have got one mep elected? this would be a tremendous achievment, so lets hope we will get some good news at long last.Thanks for reading

Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
11:30am Sun 7 Jun 09

u k pensioner wrote:
We voted bnp in euro elections and just maybe, fingers crossed we have got one mep elected? this would be a tremendous achievment, so lets hope we will get some good news at long last.Thanks for reading
Well, they bombed out in the County Elections! 0.4% - last everywhere they stood. Thankfully there aren't too many racists in Bucks, it would seem.

rod 689, high wycombe says...
2:22pm Sun 7 Jun 09

Save Wycombe wrote:
u k pensioner wrote: We voted bnp in euro elections and just maybe, fingers crossed we have got one mep elected? this would be a tremendous achievment, so lets hope we will get some good news at long last.Thanks for reading
Well, they bombed out in the County Elections! 0.4% - last everywhere they stood. Thankfully there aren't too many racists in Bucks, it would seem.
Didn't the BNP get 3 county council seats around the country then? I thought it was on Sky news?
Not sure when the results are through but i'd like to see them breakthrough onto the big stage just as they have in Holland etc.

kathy tristom, wellingborough says...
2:50pm Sun 7 Jun 09

Come on BNP !

Mr.Brian Sewer, Tarring, W.Sussex says...
3:28pm Sun 7 Jun 09

rod 689 wrote:
Save Wycombe wrote:
u k pensioner wrote: We voted bnp in euro elections and just maybe, fingers crossed we have got one mep elected? this would be a tremendous achievment, so lets hope we will get some good news at long last.Thanks for reading
Well, they bombed out in the County Elections! 0.4% - last everywhere they stood. Thankfully there aren't too many racists in Bucks, it would seem.
Didn't the BNP get 3 county council seats around the country then? I thought it was on Sky news? Not sure when the results are through but i'd like to see them breakthrough onto the big stage just as they have in Holland etc.
The British National party won its first seats on English county councils with victories in Lancashire, Hertfordshire and Leicestershire.

In Lancashire, the party took the ­Padiham and Burnley West ward, in what is its principal stronghold in the north-west, where it already has four district councillors. The party gained 30% of the vote, buoying local activists' hopes of getting the party's leader, Nick Griffin, elected as an MEP on Sunday night. He needs about 8% of the vote to take a ­north-west seat, against the 6.4% he polled in 2004.

The BNP picked up a second county seat in Leicestershire, knocking out a Labour councillor in the Coalville ward. The party's candidate, Graham Partner, won 1,039 votes. In South Oxhey ward, Hertfordshire, it beat Labour by 27 votes. The BNP also polled strongly in another of its target counties, Essex, beating Labour in 11 wards and coming second to the Tories in Rochford North and South.


smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
3:51pm Sun 7 Jun 09

u k pensioner wrote:
We voted bnp in euro elections and just maybe, fingers crossed we have got one mep elected? this would be a tremendous achievment, so lets hope we will get some good news at long last.Thanks for reading
Just because you are a pensioner does not make you any less of a racist tw at.
Sorry - age does not command respect - it still has to be earned.

rod 689, high wycombe says...
7:15pm Sun 7 Jun 09

Grow up and don't be silly james hunt p.ussy

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
9:34pm Sun 7 Jun 09

rod 689 wrote:
Grow up and don't be silly james hunt p.ussy
Past bedtime for nasty little bully boys isn't it?

rod 689, high wycombe says...
7:23am Mon 8 Jun 09

smiley cat wrote:
rod 689 wrote: Grow up and don't be silly james hunt p.ussy
Past bedtime for nasty little bully boys isn't it?
Well who's going to be crying into their cornflakes today? what a fantastic result for the BNP!
2 MEP's for 5 years! LOL poor little p.ussy!

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
8:12am Mon 8 Jun 09

LOL

2 seats - mainly due to proportional representation. I am not going to lose any sleep over that lol!
Your lot won't last 5 minutes sunshine. DECENT intelligent people wouldn't allow it.

Mr.Brian Sewer, Tarring, W.Sussex says...
9:17am Mon 8 Jun 09

Yeah yeah yeah we did it !
2 seats is great news been up all night celebrating took a day off and i never thought we would see the day that 2 mps are in europe job done ! ya ha ha ha

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
11:19am Mon 8 Jun 09

Mr.Brian Sewer wrote:
Yeah yeah yeah we did it ! 2 seats is great news been up all night celebrating took a day off and i never thought we would see the day that 2 mps are in europe job done ! ya ha ha ha
LOL

How apt is your surname?
Now crawl back in there and get off Bucks website theres a good sort....

u k pensioner, uk says...
11:35am Mon 8 Jun 09

Well done bnp we are very proud of you !

u k pensioner, uk says...
11:41am Mon 8 Jun 09

European elections 2009: Yorkshire & the Humber region
Here are the results of the European parliamentary elections in the Yorkshire and the Humber region of the United Kingdom on June 4:

Published: 3:17PM BST 26 May 2009

Seats: Con 2, Lab 1, Ukip 1, Lib Dem 1, BNP 1 (BNP gain from Labour)

Turnout: 32.33% (down 10.25%)


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European elections 2009: North East region
European elections 2009: South West regionVote breakdown:

Con 299,802 (24.45%, -0.17%)
Lab 230,009 (18.76%, -7.51%)
UKIP 213,750 (17.43%, +2.90%)
LD 161,552 (13.18%, -2.37%)
BNP 120,139 (9.80%, +1.75%)
Green 104,456 (8.52%, +2.78%)
EDP 31,287 (2.55%, +1.02%)
Soc Lab 19,380 (1.58%)
CP-CPA 16,742 (1.37%)
NO2EU 15,614 (1.27%)
Jury Team 7,181 (0.59%)
Libertas 6,268 (0.51%)




u k pensioner, uk says...
11:46am Mon 8 Jun 09

Sorry i meant to add the nick griffin total to that from manchester area around about 130,000 votes i think just enough to beat the green party by around 5,000 votes
A fine performance by the bnp and a major breakthrough in politics.

Very proud day for us pensioners thanks for reading this

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
11:52am Mon 8 Jun 09

u k pensioner wrote:
Sorry i meant to add the nick griffin total to that from manchester area around about 130,000 votes i think just enough to beat the green party by around 5,000 votes A fine performance by the bnp and a major breakthrough in politics. Very proud day for us pensioners thanks for reading this
Age does not bring wisdom.
You poor fool!

u k pensioner, uk says...
12:17pm Mon 8 Jun 09

BNP leader Nick Griffin, one of the two party members elected, hailed the achievement as an "astounding earthquake in British politics".

Mainstream parties lamented the breakthrough made by a party they regard as racist. "It's a sad moment for British politics," British Health Secretary Andy Burnham said.

Mr Griffin was elected in the northwest region while BNP member Andrew Brons won another seat in the northern region of Yorkshire and Humber, where the party took 10 per cent of the vote.

The seats were gained at the expense of the Labour Party, which was abandoned by many voters angry at a scandal over politicians' expenses. The BNP, which advocates voluntary repatriation of immigrants, has gathered support in urban areas among a working class suffering through the worst recession in decades and competing for jobs and services with immigrants.

The party won a seat on London's elected assembly last year but had previously had no voice in the British or European parliaments. Today’s result will allow it to get more publicity for its views and increased resources.

"I think that, for years, the British public have watched in growing concern as our country has been transformed in all sorts of ways by an out-of-touch political elite and finally enough of them have summoned up the courage to do something effective about it at the ballot box," Mr Griffin told Sky News this morning.

He said his priority in Brussels would be "to do as much as we can to delay the process of further European unification because it is taking away Britain's sovereignty and our freedom and our identity."

The party would oppose Turkey's entry into the EU "because if people thought that the impact of cheap Polish labour was bad wait until you see what happens if Turkey is allowed in", he said.

Mr Griffin said the BNP's membership policy had "nothing to do with race".

"We are just as opposed to mass immigration from all-white Poland as we are to immigration from Nigeria," he said. With some results still to be announced, the BNP has already chalked up more than 900,000 votes in the European elections in Britain.

Sorry just wanted to show 900,000 people voted bnp so i think the bnp are well supported by thousand and thousands of people now

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
1:00pm Mon 8 Jun 09

UK pensioner.
Please take your vile opinions off this website.
Bucks residents are not racist.

tom.marlow, marlow says...
1:18pm Mon 8 Jun 09

smiley cat wrote:
UK pensioner. Please take your vile opinions off this website. Bucks residents are not racist.
Exactly.

And please tell Mr Scumbag Griffin that now that the "cheap polish labour" has all gone back home, some cheap turkish labour wouldnt go amiss. Some of have moats to keep clean :-)

kathy tristom, wellingborough says...
1:54pm Mon 8 Jun 09

They can like it or lump it - the Bnp are elected into europe,so ye better just get used to it smileypuss nothing racist on here so stop your moaning and just except it..

Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
2:07pm Mon 8 Jun 09

kathy tristom wrote:
They can like it or lump it - the Bnp are elected into europe,so ye better just get used to it smileypuss nothing racist on here so stop your moaning and just except it..
Thankfully not around these parts!

rod 689, high wycombe says...
2:15pm Mon 8 Jun 09

Save Wycombe wrote:
kathy tristom wrote: They can like it or lump it - the Bnp are elected into europe,so ye better just get used to it smileypuss nothing racist on here so stop your moaning and just except it..
Thankfully not around these parts!
Tough luck if you dont like TWO BNPs elected into the eu
Five years you'll have to spend grumbling about it! ha ha

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
2:17pm Mon 8 Jun 09

I think you mean accept don't you?

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
2:18pm Mon 8 Jun 09

kathy tristom wrote:
They can like it or lump it - the Bnp are elected into europe,so ye better just get used to it smileypuss nothing racist on here so stop your moaning and just except it..
Please remove yourself from this website - go and peddle your dirt in Wellingborough.

tom.marlow, marlow says...
2:31pm Mon 8 Jun 09

Unfortunately smiley there are a few of the scum round here too.

Still, once the novelty has worn off I doubt we'll hear much more from them. I really dont see Nick Griffin getting taken very seriously in the european parliament. I saw him being interviewed this morning on the TV. Came across as a complete wan ker.

smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
3:21pm Mon 8 Jun 09

tom.marlow wrote:
Unfortunately smiley there are a few of the scum round here too. Still, once the novelty has worn off I doubt we'll hear much more from them. I really dont see Nick Griffin getting taken very seriously in the european parliament. I saw him being interviewed this morning on the TV. Came across as a complete wan ker.
There is a school of thought that as MEPs are so ineffectual Europe is the best place for them.
I would be far more worried if they had seats over here.
I also find it fascinating that they are commenting " en masse" on our website.
Safety in numbers I suppose..

rod 689, high wycombe says...
4:34pm Mon 8 Jun 09

Yes once the novelty and shock has worn off you'll get used to seeing BNPs everywhere even in parliment,just deal with it!

tom.marlow, marlow says...
4:50pm Mon 8 Jun 09

rod 689 wrote:
Yes once the novelty and shock has worn off you'll get used to seeing BNPs everywhere even in parliment,just deal with it!
If griffin's performance on the telly this morning is anything to go by thats unlikely. He came over like a schoolboy who after jumping up and down saying "pick me, pick me sir" then started to realise that he didnt have a clue what he was doing. The real politicians will make mince-meat of him.

After all, if all you have is a platform of racism and hatred of foreigners you are not going to get very far in the politics of real world issues.

rod 689, high wycombe says...
5:05pm Mon 8 Jun 09

Difference of opinion,i thought he was very professional!
Speaker martin and hundreds of mps are bumbling fools who have robbed the nation with their expenses for years and started a war in iraq,make way for the new kids on the block who will expose the corruption in the eu and lets get some mps in at the next election!
But please do keep on grumbling it will get you no where except an early grave as they are fully elected and you cannot alter public opinion
Democracy is having different opinions!

rod 689, high wycombe says...
5:05pm Mon 8 Jun 09

Difference of opinion,i thought he was very professional!
Speaker martin and hundreds of mps are bumbling fools who have robbed the nation with their expenses for years and started a war in iraq,make way for the new kids on the block who will expose the corruption in the eu and lets get some mps in at the next election!
But please do keep on grumbling it will get you no where except an early grave as they are fully elected and you cannot alter public opinion
Democracy is having different opinions!

scoffer, Beckenham says...
11:13am Tue 9 Jun 09

Anyone see todays Daily Mail ? they are complaining that the B.N.P. will pocket £5.2M of 'tax-payers' cash over five years... and that the B.N.P.'s two elected M.E.P.'s will pocket £446,000 each in salary, office and travel allowances ? Err... pardon me Daily Mail - your point is ?? I didn't hear the Daily Mail complaining about all the 'other' M.E.P.'s who've had the same salary, expenses, e.t.c. for the last God knows how many years!! If it takes the B.N.P. to get members elected to expose what this is costing us all - then good for them!! And I did NOT hear anyone in the media question a certain political party - which ALSO represents many people in Northern Ireland... Sinn Fein getting an M.E.P. elected ? on the day that a court in Ireland found those responsible of the Omagh slaughter eleven years ago to be members of the 'Real IRA' - no connection - of course to the political wing of the povovisional I.R.A. - Sinn Fien ??

We have had Labour and Tory politicians complaining about the B.N.P. - yet they embrace Sinn Fein's Gerry Adams & Co and having cosy cups of tea when Blair was in Downing Street!! Sinn Fein have M.P.'s/Ministers elected to Parliment who refuse to take up their seats in Parliment - yet draw their salaries... no questions asked!! Personally, I have not got a problem with B.N.P. members being elected to Brussels - they were duly elected (like Sinn Fein!!) and so be it!!

Perhaps we should just ban every other political party that the Labour and Tories conmen, thieves and cheats do not approve of ? It would make it easier to have no opposition because to be frank... there's NOT a lot of difference between LAB/LIB/CON... so I suggest we all just ignore the complainers - because Griffin & Brons have said they will delve into the European Archives of corruption and fiddles in Brussels - and open up a can of worms never seen before!! perhaps the news media barons have fingers in pies that they along with all these M.P.s' do not want the public to see!! rofl!! And I did notice that those who object to the B.N.P. on these forums should remember that some of these local newspapers ran B.N.P. adverts leading up to the European Elections... perhaps the scaremongers on here should really protest by p!ssing off!! once and for all - direct action!! pmswl!! In the meantime... after all the shouting and hollering has died down (about a week!!) we can get back to wondering why our country is in such a terrible state!! err... can we blame the B.N.P. for that ? LOL

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Lib Dem Trevor Snaith congratulates council leader David Shakespeare on his re-election. Conservatives hold county council Cllrs Julia Wassell and Chaudhary Ditta were the only Lib Dems elected in Wycombe. Buck Free Press' exclusive story that Wycombe MP Paul Goodman is to quit was the talk of the district's count.

Lib Dem Trevor Snaith, right, congratulates council leader David Shakespeare on his re-election.

Conservatives hold county council

Cllrs Julia Wassell and Chaudhary Ditta were the only Lib Dems elected in Wycombe.

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