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8:18am Friday 5th June 2009
THE Conservatives have held Buckinghamshire County Council after all seats went up for election today.
The party increased one seat to 46 while the Liberal Democrats lost one to make 11.
Labour's share of the vote fell from third last time to fourth as candidates were edged out by UKIP.
To see how events unfolded see the live text commentary below.
For a list of results click here.
Amid warnings that the expenses scandal had put people off voting, the turnout fell to 40.1 per cent from 64.9 per cent at the last county election in 2005, when there was a general election.
The last local election, for Wycombe District Council in 2007, had a turnout of 34.6 per cent.
Compared to the last poll in 2005 the Conservatives dropped their share of the vote by 0.6 per cent to 49.2 per cent.
The Lib Dems went from 32.8 per cent to 28.1 per cent.
Labour fell from third to fourth as UKIP got 13.5 per cent, a massive rise from last time’s showing of 0.4 per cent.
Labour got 5.9 per cent of the vote, down from 15.9 per cent in 2005, where it won two seats. These members later defected to the Lib Dems and held their seats for the party today.
Greens went from 0.3 to 1.1 per cent, independent candidates went from 0.2 to 1.8 per cent while the BNP, standing for the first time, got 0.4 per cent.
The Conservatives have held the council since it was formed in 1973.
There was no change in the political balance in Wycombe and Chiltern districts while South Bucks lost a Liberal Democrat as all eight seats went Tory.
Lib Dem Alan Oxley lost Iver for South Bucks to go blue. For all the news from the Beaconsfield count click here..
Tory Steven Adams, who hit headlines after being attacked while out canvassing, lost Chesham North West by 37 votes to Lib Dem Michael Brand. In 2005 Mr Adams beat Mr Brand by 30 votes.
Yet Mohammed Bhatti beat the Lib Dems for the Tories in Chesham East to keep the political balance the same as 2005 in Chiltern.
For all the news from Chiltern click here..
There was tension at the High Wycombe count in the town hall as the last division to be called was that of council leader David Shakespeare, who the Lib Dems had campaigned to oust.
He held the seat and told Bucks Free Press: “I am delighted to be back working for my residents of the county council.
“We want to continue working hard for our residents for another four years.
“The most difficult challenge in the next four years will be finding the money to continue providing good quality services for our residents.”
He said he expected “bad news” from the Government over Ministers’ cash grant to the council. Its services include schools, social services and roads and pavements.
Cllr Shakespeare said: “The problem is delivering quality services within big reductions in cash.”
Tories will meet in Aylesbury at 7pm to elect a leader for the next term.
For election news click here.
1705 RESULT: Council leader David Shakespeare retains his seat along with fellow Tory division member Peter Cartwright for Ryemead, Tylers Green & Loudwater. This means none of the 19 seats in Wycombe division have changed hands with the Tories on 17 and the Lib Dems on two. Cllrs Shakespeare and Cartwright got 1,955 and 2,077 to Lib Dems’ 1,399 and 1,377 for Ray Farmer and Trevor Snaith. The two hoped to pick up the seat. UKIP got 401 and 348 and the British National Party got 183. Cllr Cartwright told the audience: “It was a very very hard fight, I personally knocked 2,528 doors. It proved worthwhile in the end.” The division went through a nail-biting recount. Cllr Shakespeare said: “Let’s hope Gordon Brown doesn’t take as long to call a General Election.” He added: “I would like to thank all the residents within my county division who have the sense to vote for a well run county council.”
1645 RESULT: Conservatives convincingly hold Marlow with 2,653 and 2,710 votes for sitting councillor Doug Anson and new member Richard Scott. Lib Dems are second with 1,660 and 1,688 votes then UKIP with 466 and 651, then Labour with 346 and 256 and then British National Party with 163. Only Ryemead, Tylers Green & Loudwater division remains where tension is high as the Lib Dems hope to oust Tory council leader David Shakespeare and councillor Peter Cartwright. So far no seats have changed hands in the district. So far Conservatives have 15 seats and the Lib Dems have two.
1635 RESULT: The best showing of the day in Wycombe for Labour as the party comes second in Downley, Disraeli, Oakridge and Castlefield. Conservatives Wendy Mallen and Zahir Mohammed hold the seat with 2,079 and 2,196 votes while Labour’s Mohammed Hanif and Ian Bates get 1,261 and 997 votes. Mr Hanif said: “I think whatever happened the best candidate won.” Cllr Mallen said: “There was a strong Asian vote, a good Asian turnout and that showed up in the mixed vote.”
1625 RESULT: Wycombe Conservatives hold two seats in Thames division. There are three divisions left comprising six seats. In Thames Mike Appleyard and David Watson were re-elected with 2,864 and 2,469. Other parties were the Lib Dems with 1,382 and 1,268, the Green Party with 681, UKIP with 538 and 536, and the British National Party’s Matthew Tait with 310.
16.10 RESULT: Independent candidate Graham Smith, who partly stood on an anti-incinerator platform, did not take the seat in The Chalfonts and Seer Green. He took 586 votes, while Tory rivals Timothy Butcher and Martin Tett won the post with 3,451 and 3,112 seats respectively.
David Schofield also helped maintain the Tory dominance with 2,199 votes in the Penn, Coleshill and Holmer Green division, beating his closest rival, Lib Dem Bob Young, by more than 1,600 votes.
1555 There were sighs as Wycombe returning officer Karen Satterford announced the high stakes Ryemead, Tylers Green & Loudwater division would be recounted. The Lib Dems are trying to topple council leader David Shakespeare and fellow Tory sitting councillor Peter Cartwright. Mrs Satterford told Bucks Free Press: “It is complicated. We want to go through and clarify what we have got. It is perfectly normal to do recounts.”
1525 RESULT: Another Tory Wycombe hold as Paul Rogerson keeps Icknield and Bledlow with 2,166 votes to Lib Dem’s 560 and UKIP’s 422. No seats have changed hands so far in the district with the Conservatives on nine and Lib Dems on two. Four more seats are left. Cllr Rogerson said: “I would like to thank all the people who helped me, especially those who canvassed so well for me.”
1525 RESULT: Tension is running high in High Wycombe as the count is held for Ryemead, Tylers Green & Loudwater where the Lib Dems have worked hard to try and oust council leader David Shakespeare and Councillor Peter Cartwright. Candidates and supporters are clamouring around the tables where the votes are being counted. Returning officer Karen Satterford has just taken to the mic has just urged them not to “learn across the tables and definitely not use mobile phones” to allow counters to concentrate.
1515 RESULT: Tory dominance has continued in the Chiltern district counts. Noel Brown has kept the Tory seat for Chess Valley with 1,120 votes, more than double those of his closest rival, Lib Dem Roy Abraham, who took 538. Patricia Birchley also stormed home for the conservatives in the Chiltern Ridges division.with 1,643 votes, beating the Lib Dem Richard Williams by nearly 1,100 votes. And in the Great Missenden ward Michael Colston, another conservative candidate took 2,052 votes, more than 1,100 above those achieved by his closest rival.
1508 RESULT: The Conservatives have the clean sweep in the South Bucks region, with Ruth Vigor-Hedderly stealing the Iver division with 1,042 votes from Lib Dem Alan Oxley, who took 981. UKIP's Susan Fagan won 481 votes. Meanwhile, South Bucks District Council leader Roger Reed completed the white-wash by taking Gerrards Cross and Denham North with 1,205 votes from independent Chris Brown who won 841 votes and John Fagan from UKIP who took 310 votes. Cllr Reed said: “This is an excellent result for the Conservative party in South Bucks and expect this to be reflected across both the county and around the country. “It sends out a strong message to Gordon Brown that we need a general election – enough is enough.”
1455 RESULT: Transport chief Valerie Letheren is re-elected for the Conservatives in Terriers and Amersham Hill. Cllr Letheren, cabinet member for transportation during the last council session, got 1,204 while Lib Dem Wendy Guy got 485, UKIP’s Heather Adams got 247 and Labour’s Matthew Kitching got 228. Cllr Letheren told the audience at High Wycombe Town Hall: “A big thank-you to my husband David who has had the most difficult six weeks of our marriage and survived it”.
1446 RESULT: For the Alderbourne division Conservative William Lidgate was re-elected with 1,131 votes, UKIP Richard Fagan came second with 606 votes and Lib Dem Edwina Mitchell received 444 votes.
RESULT: Peter Hardy for the Bulstrode division was re-elected with 1,407 votes for the Conservative, Lib Dem Peter Chapman came second with 487 votes then UKIP Ken Rumens with 341 votes.
1437 RESULT: Conservatives hold Greater Hughenden as the eighth out of 14 wards are declared in Wycombe. So far no seats have changed hands with the Tories on top. Richard Pushman gets 1,877 votes to 426 for the Lib Dems, 381 for UKIP and 172 for Labour. The European Parliament turnout for the district is confirmed as 36.94 per cent.
14.35RESULT: Steven Adams, the Conservative candidate pushed off his doorstep by a furious resident last week, lost his Chesham North West seat. Michael Brand took the seat for the Lib Dems with 984 votes against Mr Adams' 947. So far this appears to be the only sitting Tory post that has been lost to another party. At the last county election Mr Brand said he missed out on the seat by just 30 votes.
Mr Brand said: "It was a very tough fought campaign. "This time I'm going to fight for a better deal for Chesham - that's what I have been elected to do. "The Conservatives treated it as the third best and we need more investment into it."
Taking the Amersham ward were Conservative candidates Martin Phillips, with 3,075 votes and Pauline Wilkinson with 2,897 votes.
14.28RESULT: Lin Hazell the Conservative councillor has held her position in Burnham Beeches, re-elected with 1,321 votes, with 383 votes Lib Dem Chris Cole came second, UKIP Peter Price received 330 votes then Labour Helen Wright with 169 votes. Stoke Poges and Farnham Common saw Conservative councillor Trever Egleton also keeps his position with 1,499 votes beating UKIP representative in second place with 391 votes, Lib Dem Jason Bingley received 310 votes and Labour Lindsey Gillan 186 votes.
14.16RESULT: Conservative councillor Mohammed Bhatti has been elected for Chesham East with 1,283 votes. He said: “It's fantastic, I'm over the moon. I'm very proud I won it with a great majority. This is because I have done hard work in the ward and I have knocked on every door.”
14.16 -RESULT: Conservatives hold onto Taplow, Dorney and Lent Rise as councillor Dev Dhillon is elected replacing Peter Smith when he did not stand. He received 1,039 votes. Lib Dem David Kenneth came second with 377 and UKIP Ken Wright closely followed with 360 votes, Labour Catherine Palasz then followed with 187 votes.
Dev Dhillon said he was very pleased at his election and has promised to focus on 'making the area safer' and 'protecting the good education system in the area'.
1405 RESULT: There have been no changes between parties in Wycombe so far. Conservative Frank Downes holds Stokenchurch, Radnage and West Wycombe with 1,368. Lib Dems got 478, UKIP 405 and Labour 205. Tory Carl Etholen takes over from Dennis Green in The Risboroughs with 1,082 followed by independent Alan Turner with 1,104. Lib Dems got 278 and UKIP 177. Mr Etholen said: “I want to pay tribute to my fellow opponents for a fantastic campaign, it was so close, it could have gone anyway. I hope we can work very closely together in the future.”
1403 - RESULT: Conservative councillor and leader of South Bucks District Council, Adrian Busby has been elected for the Beaconsfield division gaining 1,481 votes. Lib Dem Jane Hartley came second with 390 votes then UKIP Joan Martin with 313 beating Labour when they received only 100 votes. He said: “It's never over until the boxes are open, but it has been the most interesting campaign that I've been involved in on the doorstep. “Over the past three weeks people's attitudes have changed dramatically, the first ten days were total apathy and then over the last ten days people's attitudes have hardened and they have really wanted to make their voices heard. “But I'm delighted to have been elected and I hope I can represent the people of Beaconsfield and make sure their voices get heard in Ayelsbury.” Mr Busby also gave a special mention to former County Councillor Margaret Dewar who was de-elected by the Conservatives before the election.
1400 RESULT: Conservative David Carroll holds Hazlemere as the British National Party, standing for the first time for BCC, finish last with 114 votes. Cllr Carroll picks up 1,727 votes with Lib Dem David Frank second with 562 and UKIP third with 358. Cllr Carroll says: “Can I thank the public for their faith in me.”
1355 RESULT: A rumoured UKIP upset in Booker, Cressex and Sands fails to materialise. Conservative Alan Hill holds the seat with 730 votes to UKIP’s Brian Pearce’s 657. Labour’s Nigel Vickery is third with 334 while Lib Dem Paula Lee is fourth with 274. Mr Pearce said: “I am disappointed, it was close but not close enough. I think it put the wind up them enough.”
1345 - Politicians are gatheing in anticipation for the first set of results at the Chiltern count. But Graham Smith, independent candidate for The Chalfonts & Seer Green, who is opposing the county council's waste strategy, was possibly going to have to leave the count before the result was announced. He said: “The important thing is not whether I win or not, but whether we can stop this incinerator getting built.” He said whether he won was “secondary to the vote which is taken in July.”
1342 RESULT: Lib Dems hold two seats and Conservatives hold one in Wycombe district. Sitting councillors Julia Wassell and Chaudhary Ditta, who defected to the Lib Dems from Labour last year got 1,854 and 1,855 votes compared to the Conservatives’ 1,121 and 1,104. UKIP got 510 and 358 while Labour got 450 and 396. Bob Woollard holds Chiltern Valley with 1,462 votes.
1305 - A victory is predicted for UKIP’s Brian Pearce in Booker, Cressex and Sands, Wycombe. Wife Lynne says of her chances in Bowerdean, Micklefield and Totteridge: “I don’t think I will get in, they key thing is to keep the message going.” Labour’s Nigel Vickery, standing in the division prediced another last place. “We have had more abuse on the doorstep than other parties,” he said. He said he wished voters could separate local from national politics.
1253 - Turnout figures are in for south Bucks and they show a huge dip. Alderbourne division fell from 62.5 per cent to 34.12 per cent, Burnham Beeches dropped from 61.2 per cent to 35.01 per cent, while just 37.94 per cent turned out in Beaconsfield as opposed to 67.7 per cent in 2005. Bulstrode fell 66.1 per cent to 36.26 per cent, while Iver dropped to 39.29 per cent from 63.7 per cent. Farnham was 36.22 per cent from 66 per cent and Taplow 33.37 per cent from 61.2 per cent. Gerrards Cross and Denham North has just come in and it's another fall, 62.8 per cent to 39.9 per cent.
1244 RESULT: Sitting Conservative councillor for Abbey, High Wycombe, Lesley Clarke, re-elected with 1,201 votes. Lib Dem Robert Perkins second with 333 then UKIP Josuha Luke with 278 and then Labour’s Ria Ramsaran with 257. Mrs Clarke, also leader of Wycombe District Council, said: “It has been hard work but a team effort”. She said of Labour’s last position: “The Westminster element has hit them, I feel quite sorry knowing quite a few of them.” Cllr Clarke upped her share of the vote from 50.1 per cent in 2005 to 58 per cent. Wycombe Labour agent John Barlow says he is expecting a “disappointing result” for all the district.
1230 - The rest of the turnout figures have been announced for Wycombe and show more falls. Booker, Cressex and Sands went from 58.2 in 2005 to 31.89. This is 65.5/37.47 in Chiltern Valley, 60.4/37.5 in Downley, Disraeli, Oakridge and Castlefield, 73.9/44.12 in Greater Hughenden, 65.9/36.9 in Hazlemere, 68.2/40.48 in Marlow, 61.7/33.85 in Terriers and Amersham Hill, 66.5/37.88 in Thames and 67.2/39.84 in The Risboroughs.
1223 - Counts have started in Wycombe for Abbey divisions and Bowerdean, Micklefield & Totteridge so those results should be in soon. Lesley Clarke is hoping to hold onto Abbey while the Lib Dems want to retain Bowerdean, Micklefield & Totteridge. Chiltern Valley count has also started.
1219 - Cllr Peter Hardy has told the BFP that the Conservatives are confident of holding all seats in south Bucks and the party has pin-pointed Iver has an 'important seat we can win', which current seat holder, Lib Dem Cllr Alan Oxley, is 'not feeling confident' about holding Iver.
1203 Wycombe count: Chiltern Valley Lib Dem candidate Neil Timberlake thinks his division is a safe Tory seat. Yet he is confident Julia Wassell and Chaudhary Ditta will hold Bowerdean, Micklefield & Totteridge for the party despite defecting from Labour last year. And he thinks the party has a chance of taking Ryemead, Tylers Green & Loudwater from sitting Conservatives Peter Cartwright and council leader David Shakespeare. “Labour are losing heavily”. Downley, Disraeli, Oakridge and Castlefield Tory candidate Wendy Mallen said: “We have put a lot of work in but a lot of people don’t seem to go out and vote”. Sitting Hazlemere Conservative councillor David Carroll said: “Hopefully I will get back in, I am the local man, what I hear on the doorstep is that people want local politicians”.
1152 - Speaking to the Bucks Free Press, Cllr Mohammed Bhatti, conservative candidate for Chesham East said the major issues highlighted by voters have been traffic and parking concerns. He also said he thought UKIP candidates may have taken some of the traditional Tory votes in the Chesham East and Chesham North West wards.
1145 – turnout has plummeted in wards just announced at the Wycombe count. Abbey division fell from 60.2 per cent in 2005 to 32.2 per cent this year. This was 53.9 to 33.3 in Bowerdean, Micklefield and Totteridge, 71.6 to 47.3 in Icknield and Bledlow, 60.7 to 36.9 in Ryemead, Tylers Green and Loudwater and 63.4 to 33.8 in Stokenchurch, Radnage and West Wycombe. It seems the expenses scandal has damaged local politics as well as national politics. Seeming as the European Parliament count was held on the same day it is likely that will see a low turnout too.
1125- Votes are still being verified at the Chiltern district count and but no results are expected to be announced until after 12pm. The counters have been working furiously to verify the numbers of votes for the EU parliament, before they are sent off to Southampton.
1120 - The count assistants are also busy beavering away with the south Bucks votes but don't get too excited just yet – we're not expecting the verification process to be completed until lunchtime at the earliest. A few keen (or perhaps worried?) candidates have got their eagle eyes focused firmly on those verifying the votes.
1103 - ballot papers are being verified at the Wycombe count. The news that the district's MP Paul Goodman is stepping down is the talk among everyone here. Apparently some have put their European vote into the council box - and this is causing delays!
am i the only one, High Wycombe says...
2:43pm Fri 5 Jun 09
Slacker, Flackwell says...
3:22pm Fri 5 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
3:41pm Fri 5 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
3:43pm Fri 5 Jun 09
Tref, OutStanding in my field says...
4:00pm Fri 5 Jun 09
am i the only one, High Wycombe says...
4:08pm Fri 5 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
4:11pm Fri 5 Jun 09
am i the only one wrote:I agree - go read Eris's blog.
Postal vote for me, he, or she, who does not vote should not complain, this was the time to register your opinion at the ballot box. Voting should be compulsory, as in other countries, even if it is a spoilt vote.
Plus ça change..., Wycombe says...
5:16pm Fri 5 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
5:23pm Fri 5 Jun 09
Slacker, Flackwell says...
5:25pm Fri 5 Jun 09
smiley cat wrote:There is choice but we will never get to know how well they will do because the majority refuse to give the others a chance.
Well what choice is there really Slacker?
Labour - oh dear lord no!
Lib dems - good lord - did you read the fairytale manifesto? No one in their right minds would vote for them.
I spent ages this year thinking very carefully who I trusted with my vote.
This still may not have been the right thing and I still may live to rue the day.. BUT from my perspective the present administration have done nothing really appalling.
I am not one who worshipped the pool -I would rather other essential services were maintained.
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
5:31pm Fri 5 Jun 09
Slacker wrote:As I said - I read their manifesto and was singularly unimpressed. Not only that but the lib dems on this web site are enough to put any one off..
smiley cat wrote: Well what choice is there really Slacker? Labour - oh dear lord no! Lib dems - good lord - did you read the fairytale manifesto? No one in their right minds would vote for them. I spent ages this year thinking very carefully who I trusted with my vote. This still may not have been the right thing and I still may live to rue the day.. BUT from my perspective the present administration have done nothing really appalling. I am not one who worshipped the pool -I would rather other essential services were maintained.There is choice but we will never get to know how well they will do because the majority refuse to give the others a chance.
Plus ça change..., Wycombe says...
5:34pm Fri 5 Jun 09
SDJones, Hazlemere says...
5:37pm Fri 5 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
5:42pm Fri 5 Jun 09
Plus ça change... wrote:My dear Sir (or madam!)
Grammer? Gramma? Grama? Just kidding - you spelt it correctly...
tigeran, high wycombe says...
6:07pm Fri 5 Jun 09
Slacker wrote:Are you a moron?!!! Who hands out the budgets for this county? LABOUR!! It is a well known fact that the Labour government withholds money to conservative constituencies and favours Labour ones!! People like you are so narrow minded!!
Same effing result every election. People clearly do not want change and are happy with the shoddy services and the high council tax charges. I suppose I have to look on the bright side, the BNP did not get in.
Slacker, Flackwell says...
7:30pm Fri 5 Jun 09
tigeran wrote:Yes they hand out the budgets, but who spends them badly?
Slacker wrote:Are you a moron?!!! Who hands out the budgets for this county? LABOUR!! It is a well known fact that the Labour government withholds money to conservative constituencies and favours Labour ones!! People like you are so narrow minded!!
Same effing result every election. People clearly do not want change and are happy with the shoddy services and the high council tax charges. I suppose I have to look on the bright side, the BNP did not get in.
Plus ça change..., Wycombe says...
7:36pm Fri 5 Jun 09
yog, says...
8:19pm Fri 5 Jun 09
smiley cat wrote:I am more than happy.
Oh dear..... Yog - seemingly people aren't as fired up about the pool as you hoped. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Pride, fall before comes a Re arrange the words - arrogant lib dems!!! lol SW - come-good. Ohhhh yes!!!
Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
8:33pm Fri 5 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
9:03pm Fri 5 Jun 09
yog wrote:LOL
smiley cat wrote: Oh dear..... Yog - seemingly people aren't as fired up about the pool as you hoped. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Pride, fall before comes a Re arrange the words - arrogant lib dems!!! lol SW - come-good. Ohhhh yes!!!I am more than happy. Lib Dems prove that they are the only credible opposition to the Conservatives in Bucks. Labour wiped out. BNP & UKIP trounced. When the Conservatives are gaining seats elsewhere they should really be picking up more seats. Yet Pool Campaigners in Bowerdean, Micklefield and Totteridge romp home. Pool campaigners in Ryemead, Tylers Green & Loudwater increase their share of the vote! So sorry to disappoint you but people are clearly upset at the Conservatives decision to shut the pool. :)
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
9:04pm Fri 5 Jun 09
yog, says...
1:55am Sat 6 Jun 09
stonema1, Gerrards Cross says...
8:16am Sat 6 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
10:25am Sat 6 Jun 09
green damage limitation, Bucks says...
10:29am Sat 6 Jun 09
green damage limitation, Bucks says...
10:36am Sat 6 Jun 09
green damage limitation wrote:PS
Big issue is the Tory hoards always vote automatically-- they have an inbuilt need to vote to protect their lifestyles . Its Tory self preservation that drives them to vote!!! Unfortunately the mass of people don't vote due to inertia ,social issues and other Financial and social factors impacting their everyday lives. Its the Tory mission to keep these underdogs down !!! Thats why they dont invest in community provision, educate all to the same standard as Granmmar schools and support community groups and Holywellmead Pool Shame because if these none voters ( over 60% of electorate) all came out to vote we could wipe Shakespeare Clarke and Torys out of Bucks Once again its the tory few managing the masses Its now time for Wycombe to stand up and get the Town Council that the Torys dont want -- Come on Lib Dems make it happen !!!!!!
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
11:05am Sat 6 Jun 09
green damage limitation, Bucks says...
11:33am Sat 6 Jun 09
smiley cat wrote:Grammars schools are great but need to offer more places to local Kids -- rather than out of area Kids and shipping children round the county!!
Green damage... Whether you want to admit it or not, the people of Bucks have spoken. By not voting they have spoken as well and you can't keep deluding yourself otherwise. I take great exception to your remarks TBH - you are patronising in the extreme and I 'll tell you something. Grammar schools are what keeps the tories in Bucks and until the lib dems and labour promise to keep our Grammar schools safe, they will never have a chance - no matter how good their policies are. Oh and your precious lib dem's spoke about looking at posts at the county council. Sorry I will not vote for anyone who is not in power who freely admits to making people redundant.
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
11:40am Sat 6 Jun 09
green damage limitation wrote:Fair point - they are. All the more reason for the other parties to emphasise they are not.
smiley cat wrote: Green damage... Whether you want to admit it or not, the people of Bucks have spoken. By not voting they have spoken as well and you can't keep deluding yourself otherwise. I take great exception to your remarks TBH - you are patronising in the extreme and I 'll tell you something. Grammar schools are what keeps the tories in Bucks and until the lib dems and labour promise to keep our Grammar schools safe, they will never have a chance - no matter how good their policies are. Oh and your precious lib dem's spoke about looking at posts at the county council. Sorry I will not vote for anyone who is not in power who freely admits to making people redundant.Grammars schools are great but need to offer more places to local Kids -- rather than out of area Kids and shipping children round the county!! whats needed is for Shakespeare and Tory cronies to invest and bring all other Bucks schools up to same standard As for jobs I recall it is Bucks and Wycombe Torys who are making staff redundant NOW! -- Ive always found that Torys are naturally bred to make the best asset strippers of services and staff !!!
Voyeur, HW says...
12:25pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Tref wrote:Hi Tref
Low turnouts frustrate me. How many of the non-voters will be grumbling about some council related issue in the future? Most probably... They should make everyone vote.
I am a postal voter - easy peasy and no excuse.
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
12:27pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Voyeur wrote:But if you make voting compulsory, isn't that defeating the principles of democracy?
Tref wrote: Low turnouts frustrate me. How many of the non-voters will be grumbling about some council related issue in the future? Most probably... They should make everyone vote. I am a postal voter - easy peasy and no excuse.Hi Tref Even in countries where voting is compulsory (actually it is only compulsory to attend the polling station as it is usually a secret ballot) that may be only for national elections. I know in Australia where there is compulsory voting, it is not compulsory to vote in local government elections. The turnout though is still quite good but not as good as state and federal elections.
Plus ça change..., Wycombe says...
1:06pm Sat 6 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
2:28pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Plus ça change... wrote:What is needed is a man of action who can step in at times of crisis and lead!
Things just feel a little bit better and a little bit more normal... Would be even better if people stopped forcing their petty party politics on others and started thinking about someone other than themselves. The country now needs a complete 'overhaul'.
Blueberry, S Bucks says...
3:11pm Sat 6 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
3:27pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Blueberry wrote:Of course it is. Both my children have been thro the Grammar school system and it is still proximity that counts. Having said that tho, I think Borlases in Marlow do take quite a few kids from over the border - I think that is the exception to the rule tho.
Smiley - I don't agree with you on everything, but you're not the only one who reads the Guardian but supports grammar schools. LOL Green damage limitiation said "Grammars schools are great but need to offer more places to local Kids -- rather than out of area Kids and shipping children round the county!! " I think you misunderstand the system. As in any debate, one needs facts not rumour, impression and out of date info. The admission process is clearly explained in a downloadable booklet on the Bucks CC website. Around 25% of Bucks children qualify for grammar and of those, proximity to the school is the deciding factor in most cases.
Blueberry, S Bucks says...
3:31pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
3:57pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Voyeur, HW says...
3:57pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Plus ça change..., Wycombe says...
3:58pm Sat 6 Jun 09
smiley cat wrote:
Plus ça change... wrote: Things just feel a little bit better and a little bit more normal... Would be even better if people stopped forcing their petty party politics on others and started thinking about someone other than themselves. The country now needs a complete 'overhaul'.What is needed is a man of action who can step in at times of crisis and lead! Now do you know of such a man?? Could it possibly be old supersized blogger??? SW push -meal.
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
4:02pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Save Wycombe wrote:I wasn't privately tutored.
Same old codswallop about grammar schools trundled out every time! Here are some facts: 1. Tories are no longer 'pro-grammar' school. Someone should tell local Tories this. 2. Labour are supposed to opposed grammar schools, but after more than a decade in power, they haven't closed any. 3. Find me one shred of evidence that the Lib Dems are against grammar schools. You won't find anything in any of their policy documents. At every election, local Tories peddle their lies about being the party that will keep grammar schools in Bucks and the other parties will close them. Only the parents can change the system in Bucks - and unfortunately, they won't and we're stuck with it. The system stinks and is based on your ability to afford private tuition for your kids. We all know that, but if you can afford the fees you don't care.
Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
4:16pm Sat 6 Jun 09
smiley cat wrote:At least at the school I went to we learned how to spell 'facile'.
Save Wycombe wrote:I wasn't privately tutored.
Same old codswallop about grammar schools trundled out every time! Here are some facts: 1. Tories are no longer 'pro-grammar' school. Someone should tell local Tories this. 2. Labour are supposed to opposed grammar schools, but after more than a decade in power, they haven't closed any. 3. Find me one shred of evidence that the Lib Dems are against grammar schools. You won't find anything in any of their policy documents. At every election, local Tories peddle their lies about being the party that will keep grammar schools in Bucks and the other parties will close them. Only the parents can change the system in Bucks - and unfortunately, they won't and we're stuck with it. The system stinks and is based on your ability to afford private tuition for your kids. We all know that, but if you can afford the fees you don't care.
Neither were my sister and brothers.
Neither was my husband.
Neither were any of my friends.
Neither were my children or any of their friends - and we all went to Grammar schools.
Fascile argument - just keep on a chewing on those sour grapes..
Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
4:16pm Sat 6 Jun 09
smiley cat wrote:At least at the school I went to we learned how to spell 'facile'.
Save Wycombe wrote:I wasn't privately tutored.
Same old codswallop about grammar schools trundled out every time! Here are some facts: 1. Tories are no longer 'pro-grammar' school. Someone should tell local Tories this. 2. Labour are supposed to opposed grammar schools, but after more than a decade in power, they haven't closed any. 3. Find me one shred of evidence that the Lib Dems are against grammar schools. You won't find anything in any of their policy documents. At every election, local Tories peddle their lies about being the party that will keep grammar schools in Bucks and the other parties will close them. Only the parents can change the system in Bucks - and unfortunately, they won't and we're stuck with it. The system stinks and is based on your ability to afford private tuition for your kids. We all know that, but if you can afford the fees you don't care.
Neither were my sister and brothers.
Neither was my husband.
Neither were any of my friends.
Neither were my children or any of their friends - and we all went to Grammar schools.
Fascile argument - just keep on a chewing on those sour grapes..
Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
4:20pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
4:21pm Sat 6 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
4:29pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Save Wycombe wrote:Why would I?
Now, Smiley Cat, do you want to have a proper debate about education instead of flinging mud around? Most Bucks kids go to Secondary Moderns - do you care about them?
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
4:34pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Steve Guy, High Wycombe says...
4:37pm Sat 6 Jun 09
smiley cat wrote:I'm not insinuating anything - I'm pointing out the FACT (supported by verification from the Tories) that if you have money your children are more likely to get into a grammar school. I'm not comfortable with that FACT because I believe all children deserve the same opportunities.
Save Wycombe wrote:Why would I?
Now, Smiley Cat, do you want to have a proper debate about education instead of flinging mud around? Most Bucks kids go to Secondary Moderns - do you care about them?
I'm not the one flinging mud around. You are - insinuating that only people who have money send their children to Grammar schools.
Blueberry, S Bucks says...
4:37pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
4:43pm Sat 6 Jun 09
smiley cat wrote:Steve beat me to it - pointing out facts is not the same as insinuating something. It is one thing to claim that our grammar schools are excellent (which they are) but it is perfectly fair to question why kids from poorer homes are less likely to get there! You may not have needed extra coaching to pass your eleven plus - but if you did then would/could your parents have paid for it?
Save Wycombe wrote:Why would I?
Now, Smiley Cat, do you want to have a proper debate about education instead of flinging mud around? Most Bucks kids go to Secondary Moderns - do you care about them?
I'm not the one flinging mud around. You are - insinuating that only people who have money send their children to Grammar schools.
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
4:43pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
4:46pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Blueberry wrote:Your absolutely right about Bucks being different. That is because Bucks has NO comprehensive schools. If I had the choice, I would have sent my kids to a good comprehensive school. Bucks has an all or nothing approach with nothing in between. Kids are individuals and develop at different rates. They don't all fit in to two neat pigeon holes.
Save Wycombe: certainly there are valid concerns about the number of poor children in grammars. However, that report relates to ALL grammars across the country.
In areas such as London and Essex where there are very few grammars, only a small proportion of mainly middle class children apply and only a tiny proportion of applicants get in, and that tends to be those from more affluent homes.
Whilst I don't claim it's all totally equal in Bucks, it is VERY different. There are two main reasons. ALL Bucks children sit 11+ unless their parents actively withdraw them. Secondly, around a quarter qualify for grammar and thus the social mix tends to be greater than in the "super selectives" in areas that are predominantly comprehensive.
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
4:47pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Save Wycombe wrote:No they wouldn't. I was raised by very intelligent and loving parents on a council estate who struggled and saved and bought their own house.
smiley cat wrote:Steve beat me to it - pointing out facts is not the same as insinuating something. It is one thing to claim that our grammar schools are excellent (which they are) but it is perfectly fair to question why kids from poorer homes are less likely to get there! You may not have needed extra coaching to pass your eleven plus - but if you did then would/could your parents have paid for it?Save Wycombe wrote: Now, Smiley Cat, do you want to have a proper debate about education instead of flinging mud around? Most Bucks kids go to Secondary Moderns - do you care about them?Why would I? I'm not the one flinging mud around. You are - insinuating that only people who have money send their children to Grammar schools.
Blueberry, S Bucks says...
4:48pm Sat 6 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
4:49pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Save Wycombe wrote:Its easy to say that with the safety of knowing that it didn't happen.
Blueberry wrote: Save Wycombe: certainly there are valid concerns about the number of poor children in grammars. However, that report relates to ALL grammars across the country. In areas such as London and Essex where there are very few grammars, only a small proportion of mainly middle class children apply and only a tiny proportion of applicants get in, and that tends to be those from more affluent homes. Whilst I don't claim it's all totally equal in Bucks, it is VERY different. There are two main reasons. ALL Bucks children sit 11+ unless their parents actively withdraw them. Secondly, around a quarter qualify for grammar and thus the social mix tends to be greater than in the "super selectives" in areas that are predominantly comprehensive.Your absolutely right about Bucks being different. That is because Bucks has NO comprehensive schools. If I had the choice, I would have sent my kids to a good comprehensive school. Bucks has an all or nothing approach with nothing in between. Kids are individuals and develop at different rates. They don't all fit in to two neat pigeon holes.
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
4:50pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Blueberry wrote:LOL
But to be sure of getting your kids into a good comprehensive, you'd need to live near - and homes near such schools, whether bought or rented, are more expensive. So poor children are still excluded.
Steve Guy, High Wycombe says...
4:51pm Sat 6 Jun 09
towncryer, HIgh Wycombe town says...
4:54pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Steve Guy, High Wycombe says...
4:56pm Sat 6 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
4:59pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Steve Guy wrote:Well Steve I firmly believe in the selective system but I also feel we do have some darn good secondary moderns. Obviously you do know more about funding and if what you say is right ( and I have no reason to disbelieve you) then yes we should have a little equality in the funding.
Have to agree with Smiley Cat about that - as I am a governor at one! Now, if we could get the right level of funding...
Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
5:02pm Sat 6 Jun 09
smiley cat wrote:Actually agree with that. That is why good comprehensive schools stream students according to ability. The great benefit is that individual pupils can be moved up or down if they are found to be at the wrong level. It's a more flexible approach that doesn't give kids the same 'them and us' feeling of sending them to different schools. It works so well that the top performing state funded school in the whole nation is comprehensive and when another region balloted parents about bringing back selection they wholeheartedly rejected it.
Well - here is my neck and I am sticking it out!
Children should be tested on their abilities - some are not so bright and need extra help. Some are very bright and also should be helped to realise their potential.
What on earth is wrong with that?
It is woolly thinking like this that has devalued our education system and made degrees two a penny.
We have a shortage of plumbers, electricians and yes - brick builders. We need skilled artisans not people qualified in golf course management.
There is a shortage of engineers and scientists, physics and chemistry teachers.
Some universities are closing science departments in favour of "softer" art subjects.
So children deserve opportunities that are appropriate for them..NOT what some think tank assumes.
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
5:11pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Blueberry, S Bucks says...
5:14pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Blueberry, S Bucks says...
5:17pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
5:19pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Blueberry, S Bucks says...
5:22pm Sat 6 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
5:26pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Blueberry, S Bucks says...
5:29pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Blueberry, S Bucks says...
5:36pm Sat 6 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
5:39pm Sat 6 Jun 09
Steve Guy, High Wycombe says...
5:51pm Sat 6 Jun 09
smiley cat wrote:Always happy to have a reasonable debate with anyone. I don't have any control about what anyone else posts here! All parties have some supporters who are more reasonable in a debate than others. I actually care deeply about education. Nothing gives someone a better start in life than a decent education. There is inequality at the moment, and the challenge for us all (from whatever party) is to correct the inequality. With regard to funding, my party favours a 'pupil premium' which would mean extra funding for schools who take kids from poorer backgrounds. We don't say anything about closing grammar schools, despite what our opponents say. The trouble with Bucks is that people can't see past being 'for or against grammar schools' so that we can have a productive debate. The system is currently not working properly in Bucks. Let's have a debate about how we can make it better.
I am loving the fact that Steve is on here arguing with little old me about local politics. Ah well - I suppose you have to have something to do and at least you do not resort to petty insults like some of your supporters on here.
Sadly Steve - they are not doing your cause any good at all.
tom.marlow, marlow says...
9:38am Sun 7 Jun 09
u k pensioner, uk says...
10:18am Sun 7 Jun 09
Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
11:30am Sun 7 Jun 09
u k pensioner wrote:Well, they bombed out in the County Elections! 0.4% - last everywhere they stood. Thankfully there aren't too many racists in Bucks, it would seem.
We voted bnp in euro elections and just maybe, fingers crossed we have got one mep elected? this would be a tremendous achievment, so lets hope we will get some good news at long last.Thanks for reading
rod 689, high wycombe says...
2:22pm Sun 7 Jun 09
Save Wycombe wrote:Didn't the BNP get 3 county council seats around the country then? I thought it was on Sky news?
u k pensioner wrote: We voted bnp in euro elections and just maybe, fingers crossed we have got one mep elected? this would be a tremendous achievment, so lets hope we will get some good news at long last.Thanks for readingWell, they bombed out in the County Elections! 0.4% - last everywhere they stood. Thankfully there aren't too many racists in Bucks, it would seem.
kathy tristom, wellingborough says...
2:50pm Sun 7 Jun 09
Mr.Brian Sewer, Tarring, W.Sussex says...
3:28pm Sun 7 Jun 09
rod 689 wrote:The British National party won its first seats on English county councils with victories in Lancashire, Hertfordshire and Leicestershire.
Save Wycombe wrote:Didn't the BNP get 3 county council seats around the country then? I thought it was on Sky news? Not sure when the results are through but i'd like to see them breakthrough onto the big stage just as they have in Holland etc.u k pensioner wrote: We voted bnp in euro elections and just maybe, fingers crossed we have got one mep elected? this would be a tremendous achievment, so lets hope we will get some good news at long last.Thanks for readingWell, they bombed out in the County Elections! 0.4% - last everywhere they stood. Thankfully there aren't too many racists in Bucks, it would seem.
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
3:51pm Sun 7 Jun 09
u k pensioner wrote:Just because you are a pensioner does not make you any less of a racist tw at.
We voted bnp in euro elections and just maybe, fingers crossed we have got one mep elected? this would be a tremendous achievment, so lets hope we will get some good news at long last.Thanks for reading
rod 689, high wycombe says...
7:15pm Sun 7 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
9:34pm Sun 7 Jun 09
rod 689 wrote:Past bedtime for nasty little bully boys isn't it?
Grow up and don't be silly james hunt p.ussy
rod 689, high wycombe says...
7:23am Mon 8 Jun 09
smiley cat wrote:Well who's going to be crying into their cornflakes today? what a fantastic result for the BNP!
rod 689 wrote: Grow up and don't be silly james hunt p.ussyPast bedtime for nasty little bully boys isn't it?
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
8:12am Mon 8 Jun 09
Mr.Brian Sewer, Tarring, W.Sussex says...
9:17am Mon 8 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
11:19am Mon 8 Jun 09
Mr.Brian Sewer wrote:LOL
Yeah yeah yeah we did it ! 2 seats is great news been up all night celebrating took a day off and i never thought we would see the day that 2 mps are in europe job done ! ya ha ha ha
u k pensioner, uk says...
11:35am Mon 8 Jun 09
u k pensioner, uk says...
11:41am Mon 8 Jun 09
u k pensioner, uk says...
11:46am Mon 8 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
11:52am Mon 8 Jun 09
u k pensioner wrote:Age does not bring wisdom.
Sorry i meant to add the nick griffin total to that from manchester area around about 130,000 votes i think just enough to beat the green party by around 5,000 votes A fine performance by the bnp and a major breakthrough in politics. Very proud day for us pensioners thanks for reading this
u k pensioner, uk says...
12:17pm Mon 8 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
1:00pm Mon 8 Jun 09
tom.marlow, marlow says...
1:18pm Mon 8 Jun 09
smiley cat wrote:Exactly.
UK pensioner. Please take your vile opinions off this website. Bucks residents are not racist.
kathy tristom, wellingborough says...
1:54pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Save Wycombe, High Wycombe says...
2:07pm Mon 8 Jun 09
kathy tristom wrote:Thankfully not around these parts!
They can like it or lump it - the Bnp are elected into europe,so ye better just get used to it smileypuss nothing racist on here so stop your moaning and just except it..
rod 689, high wycombe says...
2:15pm Mon 8 Jun 09
Save Wycombe wrote:Tough luck if you dont like TWO BNPs elected into the eu
kathy tristom wrote: They can like it or lump it - the Bnp are elected into europe,so ye better just get used to it smileypuss nothing racist on here so stop your moaning and just except it..Thankfully not around these parts!
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
2:17pm Mon 8 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
2:18pm Mon 8 Jun 09
kathy tristom wrote:Please remove yourself from this website - go and peddle your dirt in Wellingborough.
They can like it or lump it - the Bnp are elected into europe,so ye better just get used to it smileypuss nothing racist on here so stop your moaning and just except it..
tom.marlow, marlow says...
2:31pm Mon 8 Jun 09
smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
3:21pm Mon 8 Jun 09
tom.marlow wrote:There is a school of thought that as MEPs are so ineffectual Europe is the best place for them.
Unfortunately smiley there are a few of the scum round here too. Still, once the novelty has worn off I doubt we'll hear much more from them. I really dont see Nick Griffin getting taken very seriously in the european parliament. I saw him being interviewed this morning on the TV. Came across as a complete wan ker.
rod 689, high wycombe says...
4:34pm Mon 8 Jun 09
tom.marlow, marlow says...
4:50pm Mon 8 Jun 09
rod 689 wrote:If griffin's performance on the telly this morning is anything to go by thats unlikely. He came over like a schoolboy who after jumping up and down saying "pick me, pick me sir" then started to realise that he didnt have a clue what he was doing. The real politicians will make mince-meat of him.
Yes once the novelty and shock has worn off you'll get used to seeing BNPs everywhere even in parliment,just deal with it!
rod 689, high wycombe says...
5:05pm Mon 8 Jun 09
rod 689, high wycombe says...
5:05pm Mon 8 Jun 09
scoffer, Beckenham says...
11:13am Tue 9 Jun 09
Lib Dem Trevor Snaith, right, congratulates council leader David Shakespeare on his re-election.
Conservatives hold county council
Cllrs Julia Wassell and Chaudhary Ditta were the only Lib Dems elected in Wycombe.
Buck Free Press' exclusive story that Wycombe MP Paul Goodman is to quit was the talk of the district's count.
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smiley cat, High Wycombe says...
2:43pm Fri 5 Jun 09
The lib dems do not seem to be making much of an impact here so far.... oh noes!!!!