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12:57pm Friday 10th July 2009 in
THOUSANDS of planned new homes for Terriers, Tylers Green, Daws Hill and Bourne End will create a “city of High Wycombe” it was warned last night.
Flackwell Heath resident David Johncock said the move to boost home numbers by at least 10 per cent in Wycombe district was the “thin end of the wedge”.
Mr Johncock, a member of Chepping Wycombe Parish Council, said at a public meeting at High Wycombe Town Hall last night: “Once it starts it won’t stop.”
There are now fears the plans will break down the “green” barriers between High Wycombe and Tylers Green and Hazlemere and between Wooburn and Bourne End.
The Government has demanded council bosses find space for developers to build at least 6,832 more homes, 402.5 a year, to 2026. There about 68,000 in the district at present.
The vast majority, 362 a year, are in the south of district, in High Wycombe, Marlow and Bourne End.
These cannot be transferred to the north, Wycombe District Council planning chief Ian Manktelow said – and the use of the greenfield sites was not negotiable.
It is thought the rise of people living alone is driving the need for housing while others are keen to move to the area for its links to London and good schools.
Council chiefs have pledged to use previously developed land – but last night said current predictions show six “greenfield” sites will be needed when these run out.
Wycombe District Council can control where houses are built as developers need planning permission from the authority.
These are: Abbey Barn north and south, Terriers Farm, Slate Meadow, Bourne End, Ashwells, Gomm Valley.
They would be “released” for development in that order with Terriers Farm onwards after 2019. A meeting on Abbey Barn will be held on Monday (see bottom of story).
The greenfield sites:
View Greenfield sites in a larger map
At least 24 homes a year are needed for Princes Risborough.
In the last two years WDC has exceeded its targets – meaning homes could expand by even more than ten per cent.
To see the plans in full click here (pdf, 12mb).
Of all homes, 30 to 40 per cent would be “affordable”, meaning they would be managed by housing associations either at reduced rent or through schemes such as shared ownership.
Yet Mr Manktelow warned developers have challenged council demands for affordable homes “in the current economic climate”.
And there will be not a let up for the recession, which has seen developers reluctant to build homes. House prices were at 2005 levels and sales were down by half, he said.
He also confirmed previously mooted plans to build on Bassetsbury Allotments in Bassetsbury Lane, High Wycombe are now off the agenda.
Tests had found contamination, which has closed the allotments since February, he said.
Abbey Barn (pdf page 110):
People at the meeting were ask to join groups for the site they were interested in – and the Abbey Barn group seemed to have come to a definite conclusion.
Liberal Democrat district councillor Ray Farmer said they only wanted planned development on neighbouring former RAF Daws Hill to go ahead.
He said: “Not the Abbey Barn South – not ever, ever.”
The plan would allow 450 homes on the larger Abbey Barn south and up to 100 on Abbey Barn north.
Party colleague Trevor Snaith told the audience: “There is potentially a 500 per cent increase in traffic down Abbey into the marsh that will split the village.
“These roads will not cope.”
And Mr Johncock said the plans for about 550 homes “do not address traffic problems through Loudwater and Flackwell Heath.
“This is one of the most important aspects of the proposals. They need to be addressed before they are taken forward,” he said.
The plan also proposes moving St Bernard’s and St Augustine’s schools from Daws Hill Lane to the new development to ease congestion – with the remaining land sold for homes.
Mr Manktelow said: “You would need re-development of that site to fund re-location or it would be a non-starter.”
Another primary school would be needed at Abbey Barn to cope with the rise in population, he added.
“Extensive transport modelling” had been carried out, he said but said there would be “additional problems that would be created by this development”.
He said: “I’ll be frank and say we are still working on transport issues at the moment.”
The plans also cover a major re-development of High Wycombe town centre (see link, bottom of story).
Terriers Farm (pdf page 115):
The site has “major landscape constraints” said Mr Manktelow of the 400-home plan, to include “small scale” employment and a 400-space park and ride facility.
A “green wedge” would be needed to keep the division between Hazlemere and High Wycombe, he added.
Janet Chard, who answered for the group, said: “Everybody were concerned there should be employment opportunities for this area, of which there are very few at the moment.”
The park and ride should not necessarily be at the site, she added and said: “The corridor that separates Hazlemere and High Wycombe should me maintained.”
Gomm Valley and Ashwells (pdf pages 119 to 121):
Mr Manktelow said the site has “very major landscape constraints” and ecological concerns.
Access to the massive site would be via Gomm Road, Pimms Grove and Hammersley Lane.
And there would be a “large gap” between the site and Ashwells, to the north.
Planning officer Chris Schmidt-Reid said the group was concerned “development could result in a significant increase in traffic down Cock Lane”.
They were also worried about water run off should large parts be concreted over and increased congestion on the A40.
Slate Meadow, Bourne End (page 124):
About 150 homes would be built on the land, off Cores End Road.
Howard Bellairs, of Stratford Drive, Wooburn Green, said: “There has always been considerable opposition to these proposals and that is not going to lessen in any way.”
He added: “There is a genuine feeling from most of the residents and us here tonight that this is not a site suitable for housing development.”
Councillor Jean Teesdale, council cabinet member for planning and sustainability, said: “It has been a really positive evening.
“The vision for Wycombe in the future is quite an exciting thing.”
The following meetings are also taking place on other proposals:
M40 Gateway Monday 13 July 7-9pm. Amersham & Wycombe College, Flackwell Heath Campus.
Desborough Area (exhibition) Wednesday 15 July 2-8pm. Green Street Youth & Community Centre, High Wycombe.
Sustainability Thursday 16 July 7-9pm. John Hampden School, High Wycombe.
Respond to WDF Consultation, Planning Policy Team, Wycombe District Council, Freepost HY120, Planning and Sustainability WDC 63, Queen Victoria Road, High Wycombe, HP11 1BB. Email spatial_planning@wycombe.gov.uk.
Comments(30)
Tref
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1:03pm Fri 10 Jul 09
miccles
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1:47pm Fri 10 Jul 09
thethe
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1:52pm Fri 10 Jul 09
green damage limitation
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2:03pm Fri 10 Jul 09
thethe wrote:there is demand for affordable homes -- thats ones local people can afford !!!
Why are we building more homes when the ones currently on the market aren't selling despite dropping in price month on month. there clearly is no demand
The DJ
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2:47pm Fri 10 Jul 09
green damage limitation
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2:57pm Fri 10 Jul 09
The DJ wrote:Thats the problem that needs rectifying by WDC !!!
Yes but it will not be LOCAL people that will be getting the Affordable Houses. Normally the Housing Associations that run them are ones from out of the area!
ferrellcat
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4:37pm Fri 10 Jul 09
PDplum
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5:00pm Fri 10 Jul 09
green damage limitation
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5:16pm Fri 10 Jul 09
PDplum wrote:I see no problem either with a few of our rural villages getting a 100 or so homes and becoming towns also
i fail to see a problem with "a city of high wycombe" NIMBY culture really annys me..
Plus ça change...
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5:16pm Fri 10 Jul 09
wycombenewbie
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6:01pm Fri 10 Jul 09
Plus ça change...
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6:08pm Fri 10 Jul 09
OllieNewbury
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7:10pm Fri 10 Jul 09
green damage limitation
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7:49pm Fri 10 Jul 09
OllieNewbury wrote:Agree Ollie
Yay come on! Let's be the first city in Bucks! Knock Milton Keynes off its pedestal! Seriously though, affordable housing has to go somewhere. I fully support the use of brownfield sites, but those sites are limited. Some day, green land, be it Metropolitan Green Belt, AONB or not, will have to be built on. The sites of our houses that we live in now were once green fields, remember that.
George1
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9:39pm Fri 10 Jul 09
pennman
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11:21pm Fri 10 Jul 09
demoness
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11:41pm Fri 10 Jul 09
pennman wrote:Yes and we had to get up early and go to work on just half a grape and a dry crust, work a 25 hour day and then come back to the shoe box where 26 of us lived....
There is certainly no demand for affordable housing in Tylers Green. Why on earth does the government want to ruin the country and over develop the South East and the greenbelt? Those of us who live in Penn and Tylers Green have worked hard to do so. Building chav homes here will ruin the area and devalue our hard work, not to mention causing a drug / crime spree.
davidjc
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7:34am Sat 11 Jul 09
davidjc
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7:54am Sat 11 Jul 09
green damage limitation wrote:Where would that be miccles?
PDplum wrote: i fail to see a problem with "a city of high wycombe" NIMBY culture really annys me..I see no problem either with a few of our rural villages getting a 100 or so homes and becoming towns also They would spread the building across the District and protect their communities shops and pubs
Bogart
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9:22am Sat 11 Jul 09
The Judge
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9:59am Sat 11 Jul 09
pennman
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10:12am Sat 11 Jul 09
davidjc
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11:25am Sat 11 Jul 09
pennman wrote:Do you know penman when I read your 1st little piece I had done what I dislike doing and that was to label you! I take comfort in the knowledge that I was right. You have made yet more assumptions in your response. It is a misconception that the Council "give" homes away. It is also a misconception that all "CHAV" tenants are unemployed and that our children are unemployed. I do agree with you on one thing though there is no substitute for hard work and ambition and we should encourage our children to take that on board, at the same time, when they have managed to purchase their mansion in Penn, by one means or another, it doesn't make them better than those that have not been able to. A lesson perhaps you yourself would perhaps benefit from learning.
It stands to reason that if we are in one of the most expensive areas of the country and some people cannot therefore allowed to live here, they should go somewhere cheaper until they save up and can afford to live here. You could equally whinge that because you cannot afford to live in a mansion, the council should pay for you to. There's no substitute for hard work and ambition, but sadly the liberal / labour voters amongst us want to continue with their nanny-state and give things away for nothing that others have to work **** hard for. As for all of this shoe-box nonsense, I haven't the time to watch old TV shows I'm afraid!
Voyeur
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1:14pm Sat 11 Jul 09
green damage limitation
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6:47pm Sat 11 Jul 09
davidjc wrote:Agree with Davidjc on all points
pennman wrote: It stands to reason that if we are in one of the most expensive areas of the country and some people cannot therefore allowed to live here, they should go somewhere cheaper until they save up and can afford to live here. You could equally whinge that because you cannot afford to live in a mansion, the council should pay for you to. There's no substitute for hard work and ambition, but sadly the liberal / labour voters amongst us want to continue with their nanny-state and give things away for nothing that others have to work **** hard for. As for all of this shoe-box nonsense, I haven't the time to watch old TV shows I'm afraid!Do you know penman when I read your 1st little piece I had done what I dislike doing and that was to label you! I take comfort in the knowledge that I was right. You have made yet more assumptions in your response. It is a misconception that the Council "give" homes away. It is also a misconception that all "CHAV" tenants are unemployed and that our children are unemployed. I do agree with you on one thing though there is no substitute for hard work and ambition and we should encourage our children to take that on board, at the same time, when they have managed to purchase their mansion in Penn, by one means or another, it doesn't make them better than those that have not been able to. A lesson perhaps you yourself would perhaps benefit from learning.
Plus ça change...
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8:09pm Sat 11 Jul 09
George1 wrote:
No Cathedral so no City, we have a mosque and a proposed Muslim Garden, the coucillors should name the town more in keeping with the mess they have created over two decades or more.
OllieNewbury
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8:23pm Sat 11 Jul 09
Plus ça change... wrote:That's right. Nowadays they give out city status on special occasions such the millenium. They'll probably do the same for the Queen's Diamond Jubilee in 2012, assuming she's still alive.
George1 wrote:
No Cathedral so no City, we have a mosque and a proposed Muslim Garden, the coucillors should name the town more in keeping with the mess they have created over two decades or more.
I think not all towns had a cathedral when they became cities and not all cities have a cathedral...
There are even towns with a cathedral that aren't cities.
Let Wycombe aspire.
By 2073 ...?
Who knows? Lots to do first though!
wayneo
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7:49pm Sun 12 Jul 09
irish john
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8:36am Sun 26 Jul 09
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1:03pm Fri 10 Jul 09