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Closed Holywell Mead pool in High Wycombe costs £12,000 a year


CLOSED Holywell Mead swimming pool has cost taxpayers £12,000 this year, it was revealed last night.

Wycombe District Council – which closed the facility to save £66,000 a year – is paying £12,014.71 in business rates to the Government this year.

The revelation came amid angry scenes between ruling Conservatives councillors and the Liberal Democrat at last night’s meeting of the authority.

The Tory-run council approved closure in February – and is now calling for the matter to be dropped. One said keeping the pool open is a “dream”.

Last night Lib Dem member Julia Wassell said: “I think we have got to the truth of the matter now.”

The cash was “being wasted by the council when it could have waell gone to the running of the swimming pool”.

And she slammed the council’s refusal to reveal how much the pool and surrounding land is worth.

She told cabinet member Roger Colomb: “Are you telling me, Councillor Colomb, that the public of Wycombe are not allowed to see a register of capital assets of their town?”

The council should “hang its head in shame”, she said.

But Cllr Colomb said the figure was commercially sensitive. And he said: “They are not available to you. You really have got to face up to life and not to continue to pursue a dream.”

Conservatives have become increasingly frustrated about repeated questions about the closure, opposed by more than 2,000 Bucks Free Press readers.

Last month leader Lesley Clarke said the matter is “shut” and told Lib Dem Trevor Snaith: “We did not have the money to keep it open. I don’t know how many times I have to say that to yourself and the Bucks Free Press.”

And last night council chairman Roger Wilson said: “Holywell Mead took the decision last year, bang, gone, dead.”

But the matter refused to die at last night’s meeting of the authority, run by 49 Conservatives to seven Lib Dems, two Labour and two independents.

In the session for public questions Rachel Fryer asked if there had been any strategy discussions and why a bid to keep it open by volunteers had been rejected.

Cllr Clarke said there had not been discussions and the plan relied too heavily on volunteers, safety issues were under-estimated and costs were not realistic.

Asked by Lib Dem Steve Guy why she said the matter was shut she said: “Obviously, it doesn’t get through to you does it?”

A meeting with four activists found three only used the pool once in the last year, she said – showing it was under-used.

Resident Neil Bailey, one of those who attended, then shouted from the public seating: “Lesley, I’ve got to take exception.”

After Cllr Guy asked if the volunteer group was “wasting their time” Cllr Clarke said: “I know you have to tell people 22 times before they actually take it in, we are not opening the pool again, we don’t have the money to open the pool.

“However, we will work with the group to see what we can do with Holywell Mead.”

Options for the future of the site would be brought forward for consultation soon, Cllr Clarke said.


Comments(16)

yog says...
12:42pm Tue 6 Oct 09

£12,000 down the drain - shameful when pool group were willing to run it at no cost to council.

poolfan#101 says...
1:43pm Tue 6 Oct 09

I was at the meeting last night and the patronising, dissmisive and frankly rude response of the cllr's questioned was shameful.
It is clear to me that our elected representatives have a hidden agenda. The continued pressure by the pool group is obviously hindering their plans, otherwise why so extreemly defensive and aggresive.
The members of the voting public who support the efforts to get the pool re-opened are asking reasonable questions and are not being given the courtesy of a reasoned response. To simply keep saying the matter is "shut" will not make us go away.
I say again, hand over the lease, relieve yourselves of any financial burden or commitment and let this group have a chance. If you are proved right you can then take the moral high ground, something you have shown yourselves extreely good at.
Our Council have repeatedly told us this was a financial descision yet given the oppportunity to hand over that financial responsibility to someone else they refuse without discussion or public consultation. I for one will be going to the Pool Trusts public meeting on 13th October to lend my support and voice.
Will any of our esteemed leaders bother to come along and actually listen to the people? Somehow I doubt it.

Plus ça change... says...
3:10pm Tue 6 Oct 09

Must be other fish to fry.

irish john says...
4:26pm Tue 6 Oct 09

Do something with this **** pool

sai-diva says...
4:34pm Tue 6 Oct 09

It's Spring Gardens art centre all over again,Close the pool for 'financial' reasons, leave it to get vandalised so that it is uneconomical to re open, then sell it to the highest bidder, bah boom lots of money for the council.
The Rye belongs to the people of High Wycombe, not this patonising bunch.
My prediction is that in a few years time there wil be a private leisure centre on the site, with high membership fees, so that it will attract the kind of people that the councillors perceive as being good for the town, and hang the locals who end up with no amenities. at all.

chris740 says...
5:05pm Tue 6 Oct 09

the money it cost to keep the pool closed . should be taken out of clarks wages. she should pay

lidopraiser says...
6:07pm Tue 6 Oct 09

If the Council can say that Bassetsbury Manor is worth £1million, why can't they say how much the Pool is worth? Why don't they give 12k to the Pool group to get started on re-opening. A charity pays no rates! 'Mothballs' Green only said that it was mothballed because there were elections obviously!

nosurprisestherethen says...
6:22pm Tue 6 Oct 09

This issue is now bigger than the pool.

These decisions to close a community facility have been taken without any public consultation. The tax paying public have been treated with total contempt by the council leader and cabinet right from the start when they dismissed a petition of 2500 signatures and now when they refuse to engage with the people of this town to find a solution.

It seems that we no longer have a group of democratically elected representatives running our town but some kind of draconian board of directors whose job it is to tell US what to do.

This group of people, led by Lesley Clarke and Tony Green are an embarrassment to Wycombe and I'm sure they are also an embarrassment to the Conservative party.

Whatever your political persuasion please join me in voting these muppets out at the local elections in 18 months time.


TheInsider says...
7:35pm Tue 6 Oct 09

As I have said in other posts on many local newspaper websites, councils (of varying political persuasions), are selling off, closing or handing over to private investors, leisure facilities with the recession being blamed as the reason for this great sell off.
Once they have gone, we don't get them back and no matter what your political allegiance, the people of the UK must stop this wholesale sell off of public assets.
These facilities belong to the people not "councils" who have enjoyed 15 years of boom and should now use the money they made in investments to protect leisure facilities in these difficult times.
We face the same issues in Brighton and my mother only called me yesterday from the West Country to say the council where she lives is threatening to close the only leisure centre in the town.
We need to unite regardless of where we live and stop this sell off and closure programme.

Plus ça change... says...
8:24pm Tue 6 Oct 09

Year 2087

'What!!

They built on the Roman villa TWICE ...!!'



Steve Totteridge Hill says...
11:16pm Tue 6 Oct 09

sai-diva wrote:
It's Spring Gardens art centre all over again,Close the pool for 'financial' reasons, leave it to get vandalised so that it is uneconomical to re open, then sell it to the highest bidder, bah boom lots of money for the council. The Rye belongs to the people of High Wycombe, not this patonising bunch. My prediction is that in a few years time there wil be a private leisure centre on the site, with high membership fees, so that it will attract the kind of people that the councillors perceive as being good for the town, and hang the locals who end up with no amenities. at all.
Don't we know it!
Just a thought...if it's closed wouldn't it be open to some sort of rebate as its not being run as a business anymore?

nannynanny says...
12:10pm Wed 7 Oct 09

Quote from the article:

"A meeting with four activists found three only used the pool once in the last year" Clarke said – showing it was under-used.

? Hmmnn....

Everyone on the local residents pool group used the pool regularly last year. That is why we are trying to save the pool! That was made clear in our meetings with the council.

Funny too that our group is now regarded as 'activists'. Is that because we continue to press the issue? How about a fair and democratic public consultation?

When our pool group met with the cabinet earlier during the year we always positioned ourselves as a group of local residents, with passion and expertise, who wanted to help by working with the council to find and fund a solution.

What's the truth behind the decision to close the pool? The continued excuses are tiring. There are no hurdles that cannot be overcome to get this pool re-open.

sai-diva says...
2:15pm Wed 7 Oct 09

I wonder who it was who paid for those massively over used fishing platforms on the Dyke?
Bound to be more people using them than ever used the pool.
As for democratic consultation, you won't get any of that malarky from this council, old mother Clarke always knows best.

Save Wycombe says...
3:44pm Wed 7 Oct 09

Steve Totteridge Hill wrote:
sai-diva wrote:
It's Spring Gardens art centre all over again,Close the pool for 'financial' reasons, leave it to get vandalised so that it is uneconomical to re open, then sell it to the highest bidder, bah boom lots of money for the council. The Rye belongs to the people of High Wycombe, not this patonising bunch. My prediction is that in a few years time there wil be a private leisure centre on the site, with high membership fees, so that it will attract the kind of people that the councillors perceive as being good for the town, and hang the locals who end up with no amenities. at all.
Don't we know it!
Just a thought...if it's closed wouldn't it be open to some sort of rebate as its not being run as a business anymore?
£12,000 is after the rebate has been deducted!

timmyo says...
4:55pm Thu 8 Oct 09

£12,000 is not a great deal of money when you consider Wycombe Air Park is costing us ratepayers £634,000 a year because the Council has been undercharging them for rent. (From the story in the BFP about a month ago).

yog says...
1:07pm Mon 12 Oct 09

timmyo wrote:
£12,000 is not a great deal of money when you consider Wycombe Air Park is costing us ratepayers £634,000 a year because the Council has been undercharging them for rent. (From the story in the BFP about a month ago).
So because WDC waste an even bigger amount then £12 grand is not a great deal!!! What great logic.


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