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Wycombe District Council: "rules are different" for gypsies


A RURAL community faces “turf wars” if more gypsies are given places to live, a councillor warned – but was told “the rules are different” for travellers.

Marsh, near Little Kimble, is “surrounded” by unauthorised camps a “totally incensed” Councillor Pam Priestly said.

She spoke after the area’s parish council chairman blasted suggestions that legal camps could be sited in their communities.

Wycombe District Council has put forward eight potential sites, including Stokenchurch, Princes Risborough and Tylers Green, in a bid to stop illegal encampments (see list, bottom of story).

The move – demanded by the Government of all councils – could see taxpayers pay for the sites, including the re-housing of gypsies at illegal Hemley Hill, near Princes Risborough.

Councillor Priestly, who represents Icknield, said she was “absolutely appalled” WDC had spent £17,000 on a study to find possible sites (see links, bottom of story).

She said: “You have heard the upset it caused. Marsh is a tiny Hamlet surrounded by gypsy and traveller sites.”

It was “hard to understand” how the council could propose caravans for The Willows, Bishopstone Road when villagers won a battle to stop 11 homes getting built there, she said.

Cllr Priestly said: “If the council is really serious about social cohesion and wants to prevent turf wars, it should not even think about this site.”

Great and Little Kimble cum Marsh Parish Council chairman Terry MacKintosh earlier told the meeting residents were suffering “victimisation”.

The population had doubled because of illegal camps, he said, and “social tension in the area is high in this previously tranquil part of the Chilterns”.

Ellesborough Parish Council member John Hambly also said a Bishopstone site once used by agriculture firm BOCM PAULS should not be used because other developments had not won planning approval.

But Councillor Jean Teesdale, responsible for planning, said national policy was that gypsy and traveller sites are “appropriate” in rural areas even if houses are not.

She said: “The rules are different for gypsies and travellers to ordinary housing.”

While she said she had “sympathy” with their concerns, crime was a matter for the police and illegal camps should go to the council’s enforcement team.

Cllr Teesdale said: “You have been suffering long and hard and I understand exactly where you come from, I really do.”

And she backed Cllr Hambly’s warning that gypsies were “cynically using the planning process.” She said: “The system is being used and we are unfortunately as much a victim.”

There was later a furious row when Liberal Democrat Julia Wassell said she was “dismayed” by “sarcasm” and “indirect discrimination” in the debate. She called for a decision on sites.

An “absolutely offended” Councillor Teesdale told her “take it back”.

“No fighting please,” said council chairman Councillor Alan Hill.

A decision now would “prevent this kind of discrimination coming forward”, Cllr Wassell said.

Cllr Hill asked if she would apologise or retract the statement and, as the row continued, said: “If you are not quiet, Mrs Wassell, I will ask you to leave the chamber.”

And Conservative member Councillor Tony Green said: “You can’t have it both ways, Councillor Wassell.

“You complain when we do consult and complain when we don’t. We have a duty to consult.”

He added: “It is not something we make in a back room somewhere. That would be totally inappropriate.”

Cllr Wassell later said she “humbly regrets” any offence.

The suggested gypsy sites are:

• The Willows, North Lee Lane, Bishopstone (1-5 pitches).

• Dry Banks, opposite Kiln Farm, Oxford Road, Stokenchurch (6-12 pitches and up to 2 traveller plots).

• Land adjoining Pettigrove, Lower Icknield Way, Longwick (up to 2 traveller plots).

• Park Mill Farm, Princes Risborough (1-12 pitches).

• Former agricultural research establishment, Bishopstone (1-12 pitches).

• Abbey Barn North, High Wycombe (1-5 pitches).

• Storage site, Oxford Road, Stokenchurch (1-5 pitches).

• Ashwells, Tylers Green, High Wycombe (1-12 pitches).


Comments(7)

yog says...
12:47pm Wed 16 Dec 09

Cllr Teesdale throwing toys out of the pram again - she really should calm down it is all getting a bit embarrassing for her colleagues now.

Farmer Pickles says...
1:42pm Wed 16 Dec 09

She is becoming a bit of a liability having such a short fuse. She wants to chill out a bit, maybe even take a break from this councillor thing...

bernaaard says...
2:13pm Wed 16 Dec 09

Yeah and the rules are different for what happens to them if they come on our land. You enter without permission you are never gonna get, you either get forced off, or a trench is dug round the perimeter to you cant come and go. The fence gets electrified and you will be kept in away from decent society where you dont belong !

Farmer Pickles says...
3:12pm Wed 16 Dec 09

I think it was the kind of attitude expressed in the comment from bernaaard that Cllr Wassell was referring to.

in my mind a "decent society" should provide facilities for gypsies and travellers. We have adequate laws in place to deal with the times that these facilities are mistreated or abused.

In my mind it's a case of provide the facilities, manage them properly, job done. It's a shame that the approach of Wycombe District Council is generally to close facilities and manage them badly or not at all.

DeepThinker says...
6:24pm Wed 16 Dec 09

Farmer Pickles wrote:
I think it was the kind of attitude expressed in the comment from bernaaard that Cllr Wassell was referring to. in my mind a "decent society" should provide facilities for gypsies and travellers. We have adequate laws in place to deal with the times that these facilities are mistreated or abused. In my mind it's a case of provide the facilities, manage them properly, job done. It's a shame that the approach of Wycombe District Council is generally to close facilities and manage them badly or not at all.
Let's give them some of your land then Farmer ... compulsory purchase. Or is that what you want!
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lidopraiser says...
11:57pm Wed 16 Dec 09

Is this the same consultation as the Holywell Mead swimming pool? It does seem that a huge amount is spent on consultants. I am beginning to think that these consultations are being used to shield politicians from difficult decisions. Perhaps instead of voting for councillors at elections we should vote for firms of consultants. At least then we would recognise that policy is made being made 'on the hoof' rather than through manifestos.

homer13 says...
2:20pm Thu 17 Dec 09

Why wont anyone be honest. These "gypsies" are not the ones we think of who travel around in a wooden caravan and read your palm for a small bit of money like you see in the films. These are the type of people who move onto a bit of land, dump rubbish everywhere and rob your house while your out. They have no intnsion of living in a balanced community with everyone else. What a joke!


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