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Schools hope to open as more snow forecast in High Wycombe and Buckinghamshire

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SCHOOLS in the county hope to re-open next week after no snow was reported overnight - but more is on the way.

Schools:

Several schools remain closed today due to the icy conditions on the roads and pavements. Click the link at the bottom of this story to see comments from schools.

Snowy intervals are forecast by the Met Office from today until Monday (see links).

The Met Office told the Bucks Free Press today that “up to 5cm of snow” will fall on Sunday.

While a cold north-easterly wind will drop the temperature to around minus seven degrees over the weekend.

Some have opened today to allow students the chance to come in and collect work, but no lessons will be going ahead.

A Senior Prizegiving ceremony at Chesham High School scheduled to take place this evening has been postponed.

To see the list of school closures, click the link at the bottom of this story.

Great Kingshill Church Of England Combined School in Cryers Road has been open all this week.

Headteacher Gillian Harrington said: "Some of our members of staff are quite local. Others have got the bus. Some have sledged in."

How have you been affected? Leave your comments below or email bfpnews@london.newsquest.co.uk.

Click the link at the bottom of this story to read and contribute to our live snow blog. Ask questions, tell people information or just get something off your chest. On Twitter? Add #bfp to your tweets to feature.

Although no snowfall was reported, freezing overnight temperatures are causing problems on iced-up pavements and roads.

Transport:

5.20pm – Buckinghamshire County Council says gritting teams will work through the weekends to “keep roads passable”.

It said roads were treated last night and today. Grit bins were being filled and grit was being put down in “town/ village centre areas”.

Some pot holes have temporarily filled.

A statement: “Towed spreaders are being used to help break up ice and to give residents a pathway on untreated estate roads.”

Valerie Letheren, cabinet member for transportation, said: "We are still facing freezing temperatures with the possibility of snow later in the weekend.

“The teams will continue to work through the weekend to keep our key routes as operational as possible.

“Please can I remind drivers to take extra care and think about the necessity of their journey.

“We will be keeping a close eye on the weather forecast and treating the network in the best way possible.”

9.55am - an accident on the West Wycombe Road is causing problems. 11.30pm - this has now been cleared.

Thursday - Buckinhamshire County Council last night said it has enough grit and salt “to deal with the anticipated weather over the next two to five days”.

It said it is continuing to salt emergency routes because of “national uncertainty about salt supplies”. It says: “Deliveries are awaited.”

It said gritters will be out to major routes from 4am where salt, which is more effective, will be used.

Secondary roads and footpaths will be treated in the day with grit. It is hoped this will conserve salt supplies.

The statement said: “They will also continue to keep grit bins in towns and villages topped up.”

This will continue over the weekeend. The council said its salt barns were full but “the severity of the weather has drawn on supplies much more quickly than planned”.

Mark Averill, network operations manager for Transport for Buckinghamshire, the council’s transport arm, said: “We're awaiting fresh deliveries but there is uncertainty across the country about salt supplies, which is why we've taken measures to conserve our supplies.”

Councillor Valerie Letheren, cabinet member for transportation, said: “Our gritting teams have been working in the teeth of the bad weather, turning out at all hours in their endeavours to beat the snow, and at times putting themselves at some risk to serve the public.

“But we can only do what we can do - people have to adapt and temper their expectations.

“We have successfully kept all main routes open, and the secondary routes accessible wherever possible, throughout a prolonged period of extreme weather - the worst in 30 years.

“We managed this only by judicious and prudent use of salt supplies and by sticking to our winter maintenance programme.”

5.15pm - A poll on our live snow blog found 77 per cent of people thought roads had not been gritted enough. A further 19 per cent thought they had and four per cent did not know.

A path to the county council's offices in Easton Street, High Wycombe, was cleared to allow the Social Services emergency response team to get in and out.

Weddings at the registrars' office are also able to go ahead as planned after the car park in front of the offices was cleared of snow.

Click the link at the bottom of this story for details of transport changes.

Few problems have been reported on the county’s roads today, with drivers being told to avoid Plomer Hill in Downley as it is reportedly blocked due to abandoned vehicles.

NHS:

5.30pm – Wycombe Hospital bosses say they have seen an increase in A&E attendances including those with chest infections and who have suffered a fall.

Buckinghamshire Hospitals NHS Trust spokesman Lee Jones said: “The trust has been able to put on extra operating lists to manage this increase, meaning that our patients are treated as quickly as possible.

“We would like to thank our dedicated staff for their continued hard work during this time.

“The public are also reminded that they should only access emergency services in a genuine accident or emergency situation.”

2pm -Ambulance bosses say they have seen a ‘massive increase’ in calls as people suffer slips, trips and falls.

There were 602 calls in Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire, of which 168 were for pedestrians falling.

South Central Ambulance Service urged residents to call 999 only for a “serious medical emergency”.

These are conditions such as a heart attack, severe loss of blood, difficulty in breathing or a serious accident.

Residents are urged to call NHS Direct at any time on 0845 46 47 or see their GP.

It adds: “When a Road Traffic Collision occurs we can receive over 10 calls for the same incident.

“Where several people are involved, or where there are several witnesses to an accident, or other serious injury, please nominate one individual to call 999 whenever practical.

“Please be as accurate as possible when giving us the location – local landmarks are especially useful to us in pin pointing your position.”

Other:

Chiltern District Council is making some rubbish collections today and tomorrow, with collections also taking place in the South Bucks District today.

They are due to return to normal next week.

3.40pm - Thames Valley Water says: "The cold weather has doubled the number of burst water pipes across London and the Thames Valley.

"At this time of year Thames Water would normally expect to have a backlog of 200 leaks to fix but the current list is 400."

Jerry White, head of operational control for Thames Water, said: "We're busy but we’re totally prepared for this and we've got the manpower and resources to tackle the increased workload."

Icy roads were delaying drivers, he said. "Please bear with us, we're doing our best."

People are urged to report leaks on 0800 714 614 and check its website to see if it looking at the leak already.

Cancelled events:

Meanwhile, Wycombe Wanderers and Wasps should still be able to play their scheduled matches this weekend.

Wanderers' opponents Leeds United say the game will go ahead unless there is heavy snowfall in Yorkshire overnight.

It is one of only two League One matches still on, with Norwich City's game with Exeter City the only other fixture not to have been postponed.

Wasps' Guinness Premiership match at Leicester Tigers has been brought forward to 3.15pm, after originally being scheduled for 5.30pm.

It will be shown on Sky Sports if it goes ahead.

Comments(41)

readerabc says...
8:07am Fri 8 Jan 10

hm yes day 3 of school closure
day 3 of me geting to work normally.....

lets hope this is the end..not sure how much more the UK can cope with!

DeepThinker says...
8:32am Fri 8 Jan 10

For once I would like to praise the BFP!
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I have been on the Bucks Herald site trying to find out more information about that end of Bucks as I have to drive that way today.
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I noticed that there is very little information on the site, and at 7.30 they had a list of closed schools put uplast night.
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I added a couple of URLs to the Bucks transport and Bucks CC site.
Ten minutes later these were removed and an incomplete list posted as an update. No information about trains or buses.
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I telephoned to ask why they had removed the URLs to this information and to ask why they hadn't just pasted the URLS in the first place.
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The woman I spoke to got very ratty, very quickly, and hung up on me! The Bucks Herald is a second rate "news" site run by very rude people.
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I found the information thanks to the Bucks Free Press.
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A BIG THANK YOU!

erm says...
9:37am Fri 8 Jan 10

snowing in Penn...just

readerabc says...
10:01am Fri 8 Jan 10

i dont get it!

just droped my son at nursery.... al open fine
yet daughters school is closed "as roads to and from school and pavements are unsafe"

1. when did the school become responsible for my safe passage to the school via public roads?
2. the school and the nursery are on the same road, 100 yards apart!
if it snows over the weekend, will the schools be closed all next week too?
how long can this really go on?

readerabc says...
10:39am Fri 8 Jan 10

I'VE JUST SEEN 8 SNOWFLAKES
CLOSE THE COUNTRY

miccles says...
10:45am Fri 8 Jan 10

DeepThinker wrote:
For once I would like to praise the BFP!
.
I have been on the Bucks Herald site trying to find out more information about that end of Bucks as I have to drive that way today.
.
I noticed that there is very little information on the site, and at 7.30 they had a list of closed schools put uplast night.
.
I added a couple of URLs to the Bucks transport and Bucks CC site.
Ten minutes later these were removed and an incomplete list posted as an update. No information about trains or buses.
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I telephoned to ask why they had removed the URLs to this information and to ask why they hadn't just pasted the URLS in the first place.
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The woman I spoke to got very ratty, very quickly, and hung up on me! The Bucks Herald is a second rate "news" site run by very rude people.
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I found the information thanks to the Bucks Free Press.
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A BIG THANK YOU!
I always look on The Bucks Herald site, as i work this end, to be honest its crap, the bfp site is by far alot better.

Well done chaps

Wharfrat says...
11:07am Fri 8 Jan 10

readerabc wrote:
i dont get it!

just droped my son at nursery.... al open fine
yet daughters school is closed "as roads to and from school and pavements are unsafe"

1. when did the school become responsible for my safe passage to the school via public roads?
2. the school and the nursery are on the same road, 100 yards apart!
if it snows over the weekend, will the schools be closed all next week too?
how long can this really go on?
There was a head (or something) on the news last night who blamed the Compensation Culture...basically, if the school said "come in" and someone had an accident, then guess who'd get blamed.
This is what Britain has become today due to greed and no-one being able to take responsibility for their own actions.

readerabc says...
11:17am Fri 8 Jan 10

sadly yes

i've seen people when I'm out walking to work who are falling over "its the councils fault for not gritting the paths" erum look at yourself!

silly pump tytpe shoes, tights and little else
dress for the weather!

however if i delvier my child to the front door of the school, they should be safe in the building!
after all, when its raining they dont let them out at lunchtime so why not do the same when its snowing

in my day at school , caretakers cleared paths around the school site- i suppose they cant even do that now as the elf of safety has got involved and the unions that caretakers dont shovel!

lets all give up and hibernate
then let government try and run the country with no taxes being collected as no one is working as there are no businesses left to run!!

Slacker says...
11:30am Fri 8 Jan 10

Two schools may only be 100 yards apart but it is the condition inside the school ground which is important. One may be a lot worse than another.

678 says...
11:36am Fri 8 Jan 10

Bucks recovering..ha ha not a chance until at least Tuesday

SDJones says...
11:41am Fri 8 Jan 10

my sons school never clear the pavement outside the school or the path leading up to it, and the caretaker lives right next door to the school what a layabout! so if one of us fell over i would sue their behinds off because they have not even tried to make it safe Holmer Green

readerabc says...
11:45am Fri 8 Jan 10

yes but in my childs primary school, there is no reason to go outside...they dont when its raining!!

its also again attitude...do they actually want to try????? or just a reason for closure- some schools were even telling everyone they had closed before it even snowed!

Hockeymum says...
11:55am Fri 8 Jan 10

Hazlemere c of e is open and my 4 year old made it there just a little late after an 10 minute walk took over 25 mins. However my 13 year old at Holmer Green School is still at home or should I say at the Golf Club on a skateboard with no wheels!

readerabc says...
12:08pm Fri 8 Jan 10

what's more dangerous?
walkign to school in snow or skateboarding down hils?

i'd be interested on data from A&E on "snow fun" accidents compared to "snow getting around" accidents

Hockeymum says...
12:57pm Fri 8 Jan 10

readerabc wrote:
what's more dangerous? walkign to school in snow or skateboarding down hils? i'd be interested on data from A&E on "snow fun" accidents compared to "snow getting around" accidents
Totally agree! Have heard of so many people and friends who have slipped over and hurt themselves just getting around, from sprains to broken wrist.
The walk to school was awful, slipping and sliding everywhere, snow in wellies. But at least we can walk and didn't have to get the car out. I just hope the risk was worth it and it makes all the difference to her GCSE results in 12 years time.

As for my son, no work was set by the school despite knowing that a few days off was likely the day they went back. So he has done an old sats paper I found on the internet this morning so it hasn't all been "snow fun".

erm says...
1:13pm Fri 8 Jan 10

SDJones wrote:
my sons school never clear the pavement outside the school or the path leading up to it, and the caretaker lives right next door to the school what a layabout! so if one of us fell over i would sue their behinds off because they have not even tried to make it safe Holmer Green
which is why they have closed

readerabc says...
1:56pm Fri 8 Jan 10

just been through town do run some errands

interesting..

people slipping all over the place on gritted pavements.....becaus
e they are dressed for an autumn day- light clothing, trainers or open shoes!!

i was wearing heavy walking boots - didnt even notice slipping

schools are closed yet people can still get a haircut, get their nails done and have a facial!
has the world gone mad??

Alice V says...
1:57pm Fri 8 Jan 10

Great Kingshill School is open

cocobay says...
2:07pm Fri 8 Jan 10

readerabc wrote:
just been through town do run some errands interesting.. people slipping all over the place on gritted pavements.....becaus e they are dressed for an autumn day- light clothing, trainers or open shoes!! i was wearing heavy walking boots - didnt even notice slipping schools are closed yet people can still get a haircut, get their nails done and have a facial! has the world gone mad??
too right mate, i have some good boots, and has made a difference this winter

readerabc says...
2:31pm Fri 8 Jan 10

so great kingshill school in middle of nowhere can open but wycombe town ones cant?
or wont?

Kadoogan says...
3:10pm Fri 8 Jan 10

'If you have had an accident that wasn't your fault, you may be entitled to compensation'

I suspect we have all seen those adverts. I must say that if I owned a business and an act of kindness (clearing the paths outside) could open me up to being sued and risking my livelihood, I wouldn't bother. I suspect schools are thinking along similar lines.

As a society we have allowed the blame culture to take over. It's the people that sue needlessly because they think they can make some easy money that are to blame for the overdone health and safety rules we have now. I don't blame the schools etc at all for not taking the risk.

pennman says...
3:15pm Fri 8 Jan 10

I'm fed up with these lame excuses from the schools. I've been going to work in the West End for the past 3 days with only slight train delays and driving from Penn to Beaconsfield station, so why can't the teachers get to work and the caretakers 'take care'?

TheTeachersUnion says...
4:15pm Fri 8 Jan 10

pennman wrote:
I'm fed up with these lame excuses from the schools. I've been going to work in the West End for the past 3 days with only slight train delays and driving from Penn to Beaconsfield station, so why can't the teachers get to work and the caretakers 'take care'?
Because the vast majority of teachers live further away from their schools than the distance between penn and beaconsfield, and so do the students who have to be bused in.
maybe you just dont care about student safety or anyones safety for that matter, but headteachers do.

tom.marlow says...
4:35pm Fri 8 Jan 10

Has anyone ever successfully sued someone who has cleared a path, or is it just one of those urban myths that get wheeled out as an excuse to do nothing?
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I'd be interested to know if such a claim has ever been made, let alone succeeded.
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I have been hearing it for as long as I can remember - certainly way before the no-fault compensation companies started advertising.
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The iced up , un-cleared pavements strike me as much more dangerous

Slacker says...
4:39pm Fri 8 Jan 10

There are severe weather warnings for the south east from tomorrow and especially sunday. Expect blizzards.

bugsy351 says...
4:46pm Fri 8 Jan 10

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pennman says...
4:58pm Fri 8 Jan 10

TheTeachersUnion wrote:
pennman wrote: I'm fed up with these lame excuses from the schools. I've been going to work in the West End for the past 3 days with only slight train delays and driving from Penn to Beaconsfield station, so why can't the teachers get to work and the caretakers 'take care'?
Because the vast majority of teachers live further away from their schools than the distance between penn and beaconsfield, and so do the students who have to be bused in. maybe you just dont care about student safety or anyones safety for that matter, but headteachers do.
I am specifically referring to schools in Tylers Green, hence me being so fed up. These schools have a small catchment area, walkable for all pupils.
Most bus routes are running and I know that they are through Penn (Arriva) so there is no excuse for school buses not running, or for that matter, for teachers to be incapable of using public transport, as I do for the majority of my journey.

whingefree says...
6:03pm Fri 8 Jan 10

It is somewhat typical of our society that in feedback on the same article we have criticism of headteachers who have opened their school (hockeymum) and those who have remained closed (most other contributors).

Surely this would indicate that the decision to close or open a school is a tough decision that is not clear cut.

It is very easy to make comments from the confines of ones office or armchair if you are not in the position of having to make the decision.

Some local schools, including those in Hazlemere and Tylers Green, have headteachers and staff who travel from north of Aylesbury and beyond. Others have a very local staff team. Some are on gritted, main roads - others off the beaten track. THe decision to open or close depends on very local circumstances.

The schools that opened will have had less than half the pupils in attendance today - that is hardly a resounding shout of support for the decision to open (especially as many of the absentees would have been very local - within walking distance).

Sometimes you just can't win.

kirstlovesstevie says...
7:33pm Fri 8 Jan 10

im sorry to say but this report is slightly wrong it is Great Kimble School that has been open all week. as my son goes there and Gillian Harrington is the headteacher of great kimble School church lane great kimble.

SDJones says...
7:33pm Fri 8 Jan 10

well all those Secondary schools will have to open on Monday for the important exams so the kids will have to move their butts and walk through a little bit of snow if they can possibly manage it

Hockeymum says...
9:37pm Fri 8 Jan 10

whingefree wrote:
It is somewhat typical of our society that in feedback on the same article we have criticism of headteachers who have opened their school (hockeymum) and those who have remained closed (most other contributors). Surely this would indicate that the decision to close or open a school is a tough decision that is not clear cut. It is very easy to make comments from the confines of ones office or armchair if you are not in the position of having to make the decision. Some local schools, including those in Hazlemere and Tylers Green, have headteachers and staff who travel from north of Aylesbury and beyond. Others have a very local staff team. Some are on gritted, main roads - others off the beaten track. THe decision to open or close depends on very local circumstances. The schools that opened will have had less than half the pupils in attendance today - that is hardly a resounding shout of support for the decision to open (especially as many of the absentees would have been very local - within walking distance). Sometimes you just can't win.
I wouldn't have said I was criticising the headmaster for opening the school, in fact I was extremely grateful, kids were going stir crazy and there is only so much baking, drawing and painting you can do.
With three children at three different schools and as a nurse on nights who has managed to get to work each shift it hasn't been easy.
I know of several children, within much easier walking distance than myself who didn't attend an open school today.
I notice Manor Farm School are asking parents to come in and help clear the school of snow over the weekend. I hope this isn't a futile effort considering the forecast, but good on them.
Somehow though I feel apathy has set in for many and for a few apathy is a great excuse.

ferrellcat says...
12:23am Sat 9 Jan 10

Education is not a chore it is desireable. Without it life has no meaning. Stem the flow of idle excuses and open your gates.The young desire your words of knowledge. Its time the govornment took Health and safety to court for holding this country to a ransom we cannot afford.Councils throughout this great land are being held accountable for natures choice of events.Lets overcome it. I would ask all schools to open and remain so.And I call on every parent to beat the path to that door.And if your little angel falls slips and occurs damage,take that learning curve as part of your life.OPEN THE SCHOOLS

Agniesca says...
1:57pm Sat 9 Jan 10

I always understood that snow, ice etc was an act of God and that nobody could be held liaible. If the road or pavement condition was changed by a caretaker or helper, then that person's employer was liaible in law for any injury for any claim resulting from ineffectual clearance

Alice V says...
2:52pm Sat 9 Jan 10

Kirstlovesstevie: Yes, they got it wrong, Great Kimble was open all week not Great Kingshill, although Gt Kingshill did manage to open on Friday

Kadoogan says...
4:26pm Sat 9 Jan 10

Agniesca wrote:
I always understood that snow, ice etc was an act of God and that nobody could be held liaible. If the road or pavement condition was changed by a caretaker or helper, then that person's employer was liaible in law for any injury for any claim resulting from ineffectual clearance
I believe that is the case, and in today's culture where people are encouraged to sue for any accident, I'm not surprised schools take the safe option and stay shut, or shop managers don't bother trying to clear the snow and ice outside their shops. Don't think I would bother if it meant risking someone trying it on after falling over (especially when there are so many idiots who persist in wearing footwear suited to summer!). It shouldn't be the case, and didn't use to be.

I'm sure both Bucks and Wycombe Councils could have done better, but the expectations have been a bit over the top from some. It would be nice to have a large supply of snow ploughs, gritting lorries (and of course the grit to go with them!) and be able to have every road cleared, but how many of the people moaning on here would really want to pay for all that given that we don't get these conditions very often. All that equipment will just spend the vast majority of it's time sat around doing nothing (and storage has it's associated costs). After a year or two with no snow many of the same people complaining now will then complain about the councils wasting tax-payers money on useless equipment!

The conditions are a pain, but the snow and ice will melt, and it won't be long before we are all moaning about something else! I suppose this does make a change to the swimming pool though. :)

bakerbill says...
7:39pm Sat 9 Jan 10

They want the kids to go the school and still most of the hill in and around High Wycombe are still covered in snow and ice and are treacherous the drive up or down even if you can .
Why haven't the snow ploughs cleared them of this deep snow.
We need answers .

jo1974 says...
8:36pm Sat 9 Jan 10

looking at lane end primary school in lane end not one bit of snow has been removed within the school grounds. or the road and paths leading up to it. with more snow due on sunday and monday there is no chance this school will be opened until wednesday or thursday at the earliest. with the freezing temperatures this snow is not moving unless someone moves it!

busybody says...
10:24pm Sat 9 Jan 10

pennman wrote:
TheTeachersUnion wrote:
pennman wrote: I'm fed up with these lame excuses from the schools. I've been going to work in the West End for the past 3 days with only slight train delays and driving from Penn to Beaconsfield station, so why can't the teachers get to work and the caretakers 'take care'?
Because the vast majority of teachers live further away from their schools than the distance between penn and beaconsfield, and so do the students who have to be bused in. maybe you just dont care about student safety or anyones safety for that matter, but headteachers do.
I am specifically referring to schools in Tylers Green, hence me being so fed up. These schools have a small catchment area, walkable for all pupils.
Most bus routes are running and I know that they are through Penn (Arriva) so there is no excuse for school buses not running, or for that matter, for teachers to be incapable of using public transport, as I do for the majority of my journey.
Although many support staff work in the village of Tylers Green, one caretaker lives in Berkshire and many teachers live in mid or rural Bucks.
These teachers may also have children who have been sent home from other schools.
In this modern age most teachers do not work locally. One alternative would be for the council to have a register of teachers living in but not working in the vicinity of each school so that in the case of an emergency such as this in the future, some sort of teacher swap could be engineered.

SH63 says...
11:40am Sun 10 Jan 10

A teacher at my childrens school lives in Birmingham and drives down every day! A friend of mine has suggested a petition to go to local government to open school during half term so our kids can catch up, problem is, we all know that term times won't be changed and even if they were, teachers might go on strike because they don't agree! I can't understand why schools have to be close for the whole day for things like Academic review days and parents 'EVENINGS', (well, used to be evenings when i went to school!). Also they have 'Inset days', why? To get work ready? Why can't they do this in school holidays? To much school time is lost for these sort of days, and then to lose days for 'snow days'. What are schools coming to??? Everyone knew this weather was on its way, so why didn't teachers give kids work to do at home...........oh yeah, they would have had to have an 'inset day' to get it ready!! I'm sure some people will not agree with me but this is MY OPINION!

SH63 says...
11:40am Sun 10 Jan 10

A teacher at my childrens school lives in Birmingham and drives down every day! A friend of mine has suggested a petition to go to local government to open school during half term so our kids can catch up, problem is, we all know that term times won't be changed and even if they were, teachers might go on strike because they don't agree! I can't understand why schools have to be close for the whole day for things like Academic review days and parents 'EVENINGS', (well, used to be evenings when i went to school!). Also they have 'Inset days', why? To get work ready? Why can't they do this in school holidays? To much school time is lost for these sort of days, and then to lose days for 'snow days'. What are schools coming to??? Everyone knew this weather was on its way, so why didn't teachers give kids work to do at home...........oh yeah, they would have had to have an 'inset day' to get it ready!! I'm sure some people will not agree with me but this is MY OPINION!

demoness says...
12:45pm Sun 10 Jan 10

My sister is a teacher -do you know why they have to have inset days?
To catch up with all the latest C**p that the government constantly foist upon schools.
Please do not blame teachers for government led twadde. I am sure the majority of them would far rather be teaching than listening to govt rhetoric.

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