Gay row hotel owners: we'll defend our views (From Bucks Free Press)

Homosexual activity is clearly stated as a sin in the bible. If you believe in what the bible has to say you cannot then knowingly allow homosexual union on your premises, simple as that.

In certain countries homosexuality is unheard of - I don't mean swept under the carpet, I mean it does not exist.

What do you have to say about that ACJY?

A lot of fictional literature says things that are factually incorrect. You have just given the perfect example.

I wonder if she would have done the same had it been two women?
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What countries are those punchy? And who could possibly gather such information?

Its a guest house, so her own property. If she doesn't want them to stay then so be it.
If a woman has religous beliefs and says she will not sell the morning after pill then why can't this woman say no she does not want these people in her home?

The Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2007

This made it illegal to discriminate against gay and lesbian people in the delivery of goods and services. For example, prior to this, a guest house or hotel could refuse to provide a room to two man because they were gay.

wayneo wrote:
Her roof, her rules, she also states on her website that she does not accept unmarried couples, I'm unmarried with children and i'm not in the least bit offended that she makes such rules. If these two clowns don't like it then they can clear off.

I can't see any such message on her website.
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This was reported by the BBC yesterday.

Ok... There were ten comments five minutes ago, then nine, now eight (plus this one). Was there something terribly offensive written?

acjy1985 wrote:
The Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2007

This made it illegal to discriminate against gay and lesbian people in the delivery of goods and services. For example, prior to this, a guest house or hotel could refuse to provide a room to two man because they were gay.

A law pushed through and imposed by Nulabour government.
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Can't see why they should influence people's personal beliefs.
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If she doesn't want them there as it goes against her beliefs then fare enough
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All blown out of proportion

Yeah Ollie. I saw one with a expletive with an * replacing one of the letters. They don't like that here so they remove them.

OllieNewbury wrote:

wayneo wrote: Her roof, her rules, she also states on her website that she does not accept unmarried couples, I'm unmarried with children and i'm not in the least bit offended that she makes such rules. If these two clowns don't like it then they can clear off.

I can't see any such message on her website. - This was reported by the BBC yesterday.

How a Judge can have jurisdiction over cases such as this, the

Judicial oath
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> “I, _________ , do swear by Almighty God that I will well and truly
> serve our Sovereign Lady Queen Elizabeth the Second in the office of
> ________ , and I will do right to all manner of people after the laws
> and usages of this realm, without fear or favour, affection or ill will. "

how can a Judge swear by almighty God only then to sit in Judgment against acts or practises that are seen as ungodly?

wayneo wrote:

OllieNewbury wrote:

wayneo wrote: Her roof, her rules, she also states on her website that she does not accept unmarried couples, I'm unmarried with children and i'm not in the least bit offended that she makes such rules. If these two clowns don't like it then they can clear off.

I can't see any such message on her website. - This was reported by the BBC yesterday.

How a Judge can have jurisdiction over cases such as this, the Judicial oath > > “I, _________ , do swear by Almighty God that I will well and truly > serve our Sovereign Lady Queen Elizabeth the Second in the office of > ________ , and I will do right to all manner of people after the laws > and usages of this realm, without fear or favour, affection or ill will. " how can a Judge swear by almighty God only then to sit in Judgment against acts or practises that are seen as ungodly?

Well as the Almighty God doesnt actually exist, the notion of ungodly acts or practices is pretty irrelevent.
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Mind you it does rather question the credibility of the judges too.

sandman73 wrote:
Its a guest house, so her own property. If she doesn't want them to stay then so be it.
If a woman has religous beliefs and says she will not sell the morning after pill then why can't this woman say no she does not want these people in her home?

She runs a business and as such she is bound by the rules governing her area of business, and also, in this case, her private life,as none of us are allowed to discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation. If she doesn't like gay men she should get out of the hotel business, simple.

her house, her rules, get over it these two just want the publicity. Im sure the lefties would be on her side if she was a muslim?

sai-diva wrote:

sandman73 wrote:
Its a guest house, so her own property. If she doesn't want them to stay then so be it.
If a woman has religous beliefs and says she will not sell the morning after pill then why can't this woman say no she does not want these people in her home?

She runs a business and as such she is bound by the rules governing her area of business, and also, in this case, her private life,as none of us are allowed to discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation. If she doesn't like gay men she should get out of the hotel business, simple.

what a load
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This country is a joke now
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Not allowed to say happy Christmas in case we offend someone.
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Not allowed to have personal beliefs incase someone does not agree with the majority
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Congratulations to all do gooders for messing up this once great country

By the looks of them, they would struggle to get in on an 18-30s holiday too.

So, will they be consistent and bleat about that also.

Well its not a point about peoples belief, people can not help how they were born and i am against any discrimination of any sort like that, its pathetic! Whether it is black or white skin, gay bi or not. The women should be ashamed of her actions, its all about tolerance and if she got turned away because perhaps the colour of her skin or because she was straight and NOT gay,i don't think she would be very happy either. I can't stand bigots grow some tolerance people, we all have to live on this planet together. And there is a big chance someone in your family or one day if not now that will be born gay....think about it. Hope the gays guys go through with this and teach these bigots a lesson.

regardless of personal beliefs, if you run a business you have to follow the laws relating to that business.

If she had turned away a black couple rather then a homosexual couple I am sure that most people would be outraged.

Fair play to her for standing up for what she believes in.
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If you are all so concerned maybe you should open up a gay/bi guest house or maybe offer to take these people in next time they are here
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Who honestly cares!

ACJY, it's nice to speak your mind isn't it?

You can say what you like to me because I am a straight, white, able-bodied, middle-class, six figure earning taxpayer - you know, one of the guys that actually keeps this country ticking over!

I would really like to tell you what I think of you, the problem is that you or some-one else would call the cops, have them chase my ip address via newsquest and seek to press charges.

Minorities always want to hear the cosy PC truth and not the real truth.

sandman73 wrote:

acjy1985 wrote:
The Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2007

This made it illegal to discriminate against gay and lesbian people in the delivery of goods and services. For example, prior to this, a guest house or hotel could refuse to provide a room to two man because they were gay.

A law pushed through and imposed by Nulabour government.
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Can't see why they should influence people's personal beliefs.
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If she doesn't want them there as it goes against her beliefs then fare enough
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All blown out of proportion

I had a 'friend' once who took one of those inflatable women into a seaside hotel one night.
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When the landlord found out , he was really angry, enraged - in fact incandescent.
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When my friend told the man he was blowing the thing out of proportion, the end result was that the 'woman' exploded !!
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You have been warned. Read the instructions and notices every time.
Regards.

Punchy wrote:
Homosexual activity is clearly stated as a sin in the bible. If you believe in what the bible has to say you cannot then knowingly allow homosexual union on your premises, simple as that.

In certain countries homosexuality is unheard of - I don't mean swept under the carpet, I mean it does not exist.

What do you have to say about that ACJY?

It also says in the Bible that you should practice hospitality and love your enemies as yourself.

On the other hand I think it is her choice who she has to stay at her guest house and if she wants to turn people away she will soon see her business suffer.

Punchy, I'm ashamed to say it. But I also fall in to the same category as you. Exactly as you described yourself, that is me.

Punchy, Wycombe says...
4:47pm Mon 22 Mar 10

ACJY, it's nice to speak your mind isn't it?

You can say what you like to me because I am a straight, white, able-bodied, middle-class, six figure earning taxpayer - you know, one of the guys that actually keeps this country ticking over!

I would really like to tell you what I think of you, the problem is that you or some-one else would call the cops, have them chase my ip address via newsquest and seek to press charges.

Like the fact you mention you are white, are you somehow suggesting that only white people can be the bedrock of British civilisation?!

You don't know what you are talking about Punchy (no surprise there). Homosexuality is rife throughout the animal kingdom (thus suggesting that we can in fact be born homosexual).

For example: Mallards have rates of male-male sexual activity that are unusually high for birds, in some cases, as high as 19% of all pairs in a population

Who'd have thunk eh? Those dirty mallads down the Rye?! I suggest you educate yourself before spouting nonsense Punchy.

J B Blackett wrote:

sandman73 wrote:

acjy1985 wrote:
The Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2007

This made it illegal to discriminate against gay and lesbian people in the delivery of goods and services. For example, prior to this, a guest house or hotel could refuse to provide a room to two man because they were gay.

A law pushed through and imposed by Nulabour government.
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Can't see why they should influence people's personal beliefs.
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If she doesn't want them there as it goes against her beliefs then fare enough
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All blown out of proportion

I had a 'friend' once who took one of those inflatable women into a seaside hotel one night.
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When the landlord found out , he was really angry, enraged - in fact incandescent.
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When my friend told the man he was blowing the thing out of proportion, the end result was that the 'woman' exploded !!
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You have been warned. Read the instructions and notices every time.
Regards.

ha ha
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Now that is quite funny

Aspen G

Homosexuality is rife throughout the animal kingdom, this is true.

So is incest, but as humans we don't walk go around sleeping with our mothers. We are civilised, and practice self control and morality.

As I stated in previous (deleted) posts, there are small countries and states within large countries where homosexuality is unknown - not swept under the carpet, but non-existent. If you speak to a local about it they will be confused and say "what is it, is it a disease".

I suggest you are the one that needs to get out a little more and meet some alternative cultures, and good luck with the mallards on Rye, take plenty of Kleenex with you.

Old_Hat wrote:
regardless of personal beliefs, if you run a business you have to follow the laws relating to that business.

If she had turned away a black couple rather then a homosexual couple I am sure that most people would be outraged.

And if she turned away two straight white men no would care less as they would go find someone else!!

"Mr Wilkinson, who has run Swiss B&B in Terry's Lane for three years, said: “Some of them rationalise their point of view but the vast majority are very rude, personally abusive and threatening. "
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They should pass these onto the police.
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Is this how the country works intemidate people into doing what others want.

what 2 men want to do in there own bedroom is none of our business however this isnt there bedroom.so obey the owners rules.I would not want them in my house.its not right

Yes, wasn't he the same fellow who locked up and executed people for their beliefs too? Before you go about likening people to Hitler, me thinks you need a history lesson sunshine.

welcome to the real world mr and mrs swiss b&b - you cannot pick and choose which laws you adhere to even though they might cross your "beliefs". i hope you are dealt with by the police in a proper manner.

Quite!

bobo72 wrote:
Well its not a point about peoples belief, people can not help how they were born and i am against any discrimination of any sort like that, its pathetic! Whether it is black or white skin, gay bi or not. The women should be ashamed of her actions, its all about tolerance and if she got turned away because perhaps the colour of her skin or because she was straight and NOT gay,i don't think she would be very happy either. I can't stand bigots grow some tolerance people, we all have to live on this planet together. And there is a big chance someone in your family or one day if not now that will be born gay....think about it. Hope the gays guys go through with this and teach these bigots a lesson.

You preach tolerance yet you aren't tolerant to this lady's religious beliefs?

wayneo wrote:
Quite!

Quite was to Tom not the diatribe from lividov

I love Christmas, I love my gollywog (that I've had for years) but thats not allowed is it - we have some very strange laws, to accomodate the minority, it seems. My home is not my castle any more, it belongs to someone else.
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Have you read Ivors blog

"The minority versus the majority"

So this poor hard working couple have their lives ruined by two Christian-baiting homosexuals just out for trouble.

For the two guys to say this is the very first time they have experienced this kind of problem is a complete and absolute lie - at their age they would have experienced homophobic abuse many tens of times. I would like to see it tested in court and see if they are willing to perjure themselves.

Why don't they come over to Wycombe and give each other a big wet kiss in the High Street at about 9pm on Friday night and see what happens?

I have two dogs, I'm probably not welcome at their B&B too. Normally it's never an issue but if it is I take my money somewhere else.

I am quite frankly amazed that this site is allowing some of the quite frankly homophobic comments coming from Punchy to be pulblished on here. Unfortunately, for you all who agree with the Wilkinsons' discriminatory decision there was a law passed in 2007 to stop exactly this kind of behaviour (http://www.opsi.gov
.uk/si/si2007/uksi_2
0071263_en_1). You may not like it, but it is a law and it exists to protect members of society in the same way we have laws to protect those of different races.

ivor: your home is not your castle if you let it out. punchy: yes they would have experienced this kind of intolerance up until 2007. wayneo: ... oh it doesn't matter. cba

Personally I think this couple should lose what ever license that they hold to be able to run a B&B. They are biggoted, narrow minded people and thet should be ashamed of themselves. It is disgusting behaviour and something that they need to get over. If you have strong views about things like this then you should not be in that business.

Cookham wrote:
I am quite frankly amazed that this site is allowing some of the quite frankly homophobic comments coming from Punchy to be pulblished on here. Unfortunately, for you all who agree with the Wilkinsons' discriminatory decision there was a law passed in 2007 to stop exactly this kind of behaviour (http://www.opsi.gov .uk/si/si2007/uksi_2 0071263_en_1). You may not like it, but it is a law and it exists to protect members of society in the same way we have laws to protect those of different races.

Cookham, please why don't you read through my comments and give an accurate example of something that is homophobic, instead of simply running with a sweeping catch all "that's homophobic" statement?

You and your ilk don't scare me one little bit, now go hide behind your 2007 Act and carry on pretending you were born that way. toodle pip.

The gay couple would have been better advised to stay at the 'Live And Let Live' on Booker Common.
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It would have be a lot cheaper.
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Cookham is considers itself so so 'refined' ( eg 'we don't your sort here !'). And there would have been no prejudice displayed in Booker unlike Berks.
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Regards
PS Actually it's Cookham Rise really not The Village. Cookham Village is famous for sex-obsessed painters, over priced restaurants, small boutiques and floods.
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Cookham Rise is famous for not much at all except the railway station.

Punchy do you speak like a Christian? Does not sound like it at all, to me . You are being immature with your replies, grow up? Also get educated on life real life.I am tolerant of your bigoted opinion,but i was not talking directly to you, i was commenting on the article.

Punchy wrote:
Homosexual activity is clearly stated as a sin in the bible. If you believe in what the bible has to say you cannot then knowingly allow homosexual union on your premises, simple as that. In certain countries homosexuality is unheard of - I don't mean swept under the carpet, I mean it does not exist. What do you have to say about that ACJY?

Punchy - Your views are aligned with pure wickedness, how can behaving towards other totally innocent human beings with such nastiness and malice be condoned?
10% Of the world's population is gay, presuming you have children how would you like it if someone behaved like this to your children?
There are plenty of evil people out there in this world, I am a hang em and flog em devotee and certainly no do-gooder, but to behave like playground bullies by picking on people who have done no harm other than to be different is abominable.
The bible also says 'Love thy neighbour as thyself'.
These people are pig-ignorant and rightly deserve to go bust by their behaviour- you might not particularly like what other people do, but you don't have to go out of your own way to cause offence. Being gay is no different to having a big nose or being blind, you have no choice, nature bestows it on you. As they say, them that know better do better.

And you and your ilk Punchy do not scare me

This is all very sad, I am ashamed of people claiming to be Christian and being so vile, spiteful and inhospitable.

I believe the Bible is quite clear about homosexuality and as a result that effects the choices I make for how I live my own life.

However I would welcome anyone to stay in my home as I believe the Bible is just as clear about how we should treat our fellow human beings.

I am disturbed by the threatening and taunting tone of comments from people of both viewpoints in this argument. This is how wars start!

Calm down and share the love people!!

I continue to fail to understand how some people of faith ( and others) can choose to treat LGBT people with such contempt. ( personally they should just get a good solicitor and sue, thats why civil laws exist).

The bible is often used to argue the rights and wrong s of homosexuality which I simply won’t debate anymore, it’s 2009, and there is no debate!
But while we’re on the subject of biblical references .. I have a few questions......

If homosexuality is an abomination as stated in Leviticus 18:22 is it more or less of an abomination than eating a prawn sandwich? (Leviticus 11:10).... are there degrees of abomination ?

If my dad was to sell my sister into slavery as sanctioned by exodus 21:7 ..What would a good price for her be ??

If we all worked on the Sabbath, who would be responsible for putting us to death? (Exodus 33:2).

Rugby is quite popular during the 6 nations season; if touching the skin of a dead animal makes one unclean, does that mean the england team need to wear gloves to rugby matches?(Leviticus 11:7)

Does the whole town have to come together to stone my relatives for planting basil and coriander in the same plant pot?

Will I have to burn my mother at a small family gathering for wearing clothes made from two different threads? (Leviticus 19:19)

Think about those while you count your six figure salary.....

Those who are 'preaching' about political correctness aren't listening..... most LGBT people don't care about political correctness, they can appreciate a joke when it's not aimed at them..... they want fairness, equality, not to be beaten up, not to be verbally abused, and not to be killed.
Sadly something that still happens in England in 2010.... perhaps before sitting in 'judgement' you should consider your role in perpetuating ignorance and intolerance....

that should say 'it's 2010 there is no debate....'

weyfarer wrote:

Punchy wrote: Homosexual activity is clearly stated as a sin in the bible. If you believe in what the bible has to say you cannot then knowingly allow homosexual union on your premises, simple as that. In certain countries homosexuality is unheard of - I don't mean swept under the carpet, I mean it does not exist. What do you have to say about that ACJY?

Punchy - Your views are aligned with pure wickedness, how can behaving towards other totally innocent human beings with such nastiness and malice be condoned? 10% Of the world's population is gay, presuming you have children how would you like it if someone behaved like this to your children? There are plenty of evil people out there in this world, I am a hang em and flog em devotee and certainly no do-gooder, but to behave like playground bullies by picking on people who have done no harm other than to be different is abominable. The bible also says 'Love thy neighbour as thyself'. These people are pig-ignorant and rightly deserve to go bust by their behaviour- you might not particularly like what other people do, but you don't have to go out of your own way to cause offence. Being gay is no different to having a big nose or being blind, you have no choice, nature bestows it on you. As they say, them that know better do better.

Well said...

Man's inhumanity towards man knows no bounds sadly.

Firstly may I state that I am in no way homophobic however I also believe in a person’s right to freedom of speech and their right to defend their personal opinions as long as it's in a constructive articulate manner. With this in mind please review this article which covers an organisation which successfully challenged the 2007 legislation based upon a clause within it which permitted gay charities to only employ gays or lesbians (that’s discrimination by the way) and hence the organisation was allowed to discount gay couples from their business activities due to the organisations religious beliefs. So you see this lady is not as necessarily in the wrong as many of you believe her to be.
Discrimination of any type is wrong but like racism it is a door that swings both ways and arguments concerning it are never quite as black and white as they first seem.

Firstly may I state that I am in no way homophobic however I also believe in a person’s right to freedom of speech and their right to defend their personal opinions as long as it's in a constructive articulate manner. With this in mind please review this article http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
1258581/Catholic-ado
ption-agency-wins-ru
ling-gay-rights-law.
html It covers an organisation which successfully challenged the 2007 legislation based upon a clause within it which permitted gay charities to only employ gays or lesbians (that’s discrimination by the way) and hence the organisation was allowed to discount gay couples from their business activities due to the organisations religious beliefs. So you see this lady is not as necessarily in the wrong as many of you believe her to be.
Discrimination of any type is wrong but like racism it is a door that swings both ways and arguments concerning it are never quite as black and white as they first seem.

Sorry forgot the link.....doh!!

Lorrainej wrote:
I love Christmas, I love my gollywog (that I've had for years) but thats not allowed is it - we have some very strange laws, to accomodate the minority, it seems. My home is not my castle any more, it belongs to someone else. ~ Have you read Ivors blog "The minority versus the majority"

Yeah I read it, its a load of old ****.

Punchy you seem a very intolerant and uneducated person who is not comfortable with your own sexuality.

People who are grounded and educated and comfortable in their own skin do not have any hang ups about peoples sexuality, race or religion. I say live and let live. As long as people do not impose or force their path onto others or show disrespect to others, all is good. People need to get their mind out of the gutter, a gay relationship involves the same feelings as all relationships, the only difference is gender. So what's the problem!

I am not homophobic but believe in one simple fact: men are not born gay!

You cannot compare a gay man's rights to those of an afro-caribbean man.

I'd like to see some stats on gay couple adoptions - I wager that a much higher percentage of such adopted children end up in gay relationships than the national average.

I want my children to grow up and have children themselves because I want to be a grandad one day - so when I see them looking at two men in a clinch on the front page of a gay mag on a shelf in WH Smith it really bugs me because I think their minds are being influenced by this material.

I don't like the way traditional views are now being aggressively attacked as homophobic.

Take The Beating wrote:
I am not homophobic but believe in one simple fact: men are not born gay! You cannot compare a gay man's rights to those of an afro-caribbean man. I'd like to see some stats on gay couple adoptions - I wager that a much higher percentage of such adopted children end up in gay relationships than the national average. I want my children to grow up and have children themselves because I want to be a grandad one day - so when I see them looking at two men in a clinch on the front page of a gay mag on a shelf in WH Smith it really bugs me because I think their minds are being influenced by this material. I don't like the way traditional views are now being aggressively attacked as homophobic.

Are you nuts??? Do you think homosexuality is a lifestyle choice? Jesus Christ do you think people would actually choose that lifestyle where they are picked on, sneered at and ridiculed rather than a normal loving man/woman relationship with kids etc?
My god, there are some stupid people in this world.

TTB seriously, "Men are not born gay" ? Do you have a scientific theory, because I don't think you can really state that. If you think seeing men kissing in WHSmith turns children gay then I think maybe the whole world has actually gone mad. As has the level of hysteria on this story, which will no doubt result in more bookings for the B&B in Cookham..

TTB seriously, "Men are not born gay" ? Do you have a scientific theory, because I don't think you can really state that. If you think seeing men kissing in WHSmith turns children gay then I think maybe the whole world has actually gone mad. As has the level of hysteria on this story, which will no doubt result in more bookings for the B&B in Cookham..

sorry for the double post.
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"homosexuality is unknown - not swept under the carpet, but non-existent. If you speak to a local about it they will be confused and say "what is it, is it a disease" "
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Less enlightened countries put gays to death. Many foreigners would refuse to discuss it out of disgust or shame. Do you really think these people are going to talk honestly to a tourist about homosexuality? Gay people have to hide how they are, just like they had to in the UK in the 60s .. for fear of electric shock treatment, humiliation and prison!

Take The Beating wrote:
I am not homophobic but believe in one simple fact: men are not born gay! You cannot compare a gay man's rights to those of an afro-caribbean man. I'd like to see some stats on gay couple adoptions - I wager that a much higher percentage of such adopted children end up in gay relationships than the national average. I want my children to grow up and have children themselves because I want to be a grandad one day - so when I see them looking at two men in a clinch on the front page of a gay mag on a shelf in WH Smith it really bugs me because I think their minds are being influenced by this material. I don't like the way traditional views are now being aggressively attacked as homophobic.

PMSL

You are not homophobic but....

ah yes that old argument...
" I am not racist, sexist but..."
YOU want to be a grandad one day do you? You think that being a homosexual is a lifestyle choice?
You are very niaive sadly. You say you have traditional views - lets substitute that for victorian shall we?
So what happens if one of your children are gay?
What then?

thats a shame the b&b dont like gay people
was going to give them a block booking for a gay naturist weekend break.

chris740 wrote:
thats a shame the b&b dont like gay people was going to give them a block booking for a gay naturist weekend break.

LOL.

:))))

These B & B owners have the right to refuse to accomodate who they like on their premisies.
There are plenty of other places in the area for the Gay Boys to stay.

someone buy the wilkinsons a T shirt http://www.stonewall
.org.uk/what_you_can
_do/2590.asp


:)

First off I’m surprised that so many comments have been posted just because 2 people were turned away from a place of business.

In my own business, If I was uncomfortable about serving one of my customers for whatever reason, then I would not serve them. There are plenty of alternative places they could go. And I’m sure the B&B didn’t feel comfortable with a gay couple in one of their bedrooms- which by the way doesn’t mean they should give up the business. Let’s get real.

Common examples of discrimination are:
• Companies do it all the time with credit checks
• Main food outlets don’t serve Halal or Kosher food
• Expensive restaurants “require” you to wear a dinner jacket
• NightClubs won’t let you in if your wearing trainers.
• Women are sometimes recruited because of the looks/image.
• We all get charged a fixed “council tax” regardless of income.

.... isn’t that all discrimination in one form or another?

Secondly, I don’t understand why people who don’t believe homosexuality is right (regardless of if your born that way or not) are automatically uneducated, bigots or narrow minded? Isn’t that just generalising or even worse name calling? You know nothing about them so what gives you the right to stereotype? Just because the government passed a law doesn’t mean it is definitive. Come on, the law says I can’t attack a burgular in my house, unless he attacks me first. Is that right?

The truth is (as per the article) that things were dealt with amicably. Nobody was abusive and nobody was rude. Fact is everybody has a faith (godly or not) and as far as I can tell, the mainstream ones believe homosexuality to be a sin. Do you really expect people to change their belief system inorder to fit in with society? Well yes and no. Yes in order to live a peaceful and community cohesive life, but no if it goes against your morals and views.

You have to remember that history has shown us that homosexuality was a taboo subject up until a few years ago so for people on here to be “disgusted” by the homophobic comments, just shows that they don’t understand how the world works. People are different and react differently in certain situations.

In this particular case, the B&B owners probably made their decision because whether you like it or not, Gay sex is/was seen as “dirty”.

I could go on and on giving you one example after another regarding discrimination, but the only thing we ALL need to realise is that we need to accept and understand the others point of view (regardless of whether we agree with it or not) and learn to live with each other. It works both ways.

SO TYPICAL OF PEOPLE THAT CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS.SOME PEOPLE I KNOW CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS AND THEY ARE NOT NICE PEOPLE EITHER..

This really does need to go to court to demonstrate to certain people that the laws of he land do, in fact, take precedence over the laws of some peoples imaginary friend.

This is where religion is dangerous, when people claim they can do what they like because g-d says it's ok.

If this couple were hetro, but actually on a dirty weekend away from their real partners, and the guest house owners lived under sharia law and found out what was going on; would they then have the right to stone the woman to death and lop of the fellas old chap as well?

Elmo, no-one is talking about stoning the gay couple here.

And it goes further than religion, it's about family life and the whole basis of civilisation.

The LGBT community at large is not happy with just being tolerated, the activism goes well beyond that - an alternative civilisation, with adoption replacing procreation.

The Government really does need to get it's statisticians to work on this one: what percentage of adopted children, brought up by LGBT couples, are LGBT themselves?

If this percentage is well above the national average, then it clearly demonstrates that many are not born LGBT, but grow up LGBT!

At that point protecting in law the rights of the gay man in the same way as those of the afro-caribbean man becomes nonsense!

My view is that it is nonsense, that the Government already knows its nonsense because of firm statistical data, and that many leading luminaries within the LGBT community know it to be nonsense too.

You have to abide by the law in this country, religious beliefs have no relevance here. If you open a B&B then you pretty much have to accept anyone who books otherwise we would have some people turning away those of a different skin colour etc.
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If religion starts playing a role in this and overrides the law then we will have funeral pyres in peoples back gardens, beheadings and more.
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Agree totally with what Elmo says.

Az-R wrote:
First off I’m surprised that so many comments have been posted just because 2 people were turned away from a place of business. In my own business, If I was uncomfortable about serving one of my customers for whatever reason, then I would not serve them. There are plenty of alternative places they could go. And I’m sure the B&B didn’t feel comfortable with a gay couple in one of their bedrooms- which by the way doesn’t mean they should give up the business. Let’s get real. Common examples of discrimination are: • Companies do it all the time with credit checks • Main food outlets don’t serve Halal or Kosher food • Expensive restaurants “require” you to wear a dinner jacket • NightClubs won’t let you in if your wearing trainers. • Women are sometimes recruited because of the looks/image. • We all get charged a fixed “council tax” regardless of income. .... isn’t that all discrimination in one form or another? Secondly, I don’t understand why people who don’t believe homosexuality is right (regardless of if your born that way or not) are automatically uneducated, bigots or narrow minded? Isn’t that just generalising or even worse name calling? You know nothing about them so what gives you the right to stereotype? Just because the government passed a law doesn’t mean it is definitive. Come on, the law says I can’t attack a burgular in my house, unless he attacks me first. Is that right? The truth is (as per the article) that things were dealt with amicably. Nobody was abusive and nobody was rude. Fact is everybody has a faith (godly or not) and as far as I can tell, the mainstream ones believe homosexuality to be a sin. Do you really expect people to change their belief system inorder to fit in with society? Well yes and no. Yes in order to live a peaceful and community cohesive life, but no if it goes against your morals and views. You have to remember that history has shown us that homosexuality was a taboo subject up until a few years ago so for people on here to be “disgusted” by the homophobic comments, just shows that they don’t understand how the world works. People are different and react differently in certain situations. In this particular case, the B&B owners probably made their decision because whether you like it or not, Gay sex is/was seen as “dirty”. I could go on and on giving you one example after another regarding discrimination, but the only thing we ALL need to realise is that we need to accept and understand the others point of view (regardless of whether we agree with it or not) and learn to live with each other. It works both ways.

AZ-R - All the points you list are lifestyle choices including religion, you may be bought up to eat halal and Kosher but you have the choice not to when you are old enough. Homosexuality is forced upon you, you cannot turn your innermost feelings off or the other way.
Your points are well thought out but fundamentally wrong, very wrong. How would you feel if your kids werre gay and being talked about like you are on here about a group you know little about?

I don't think anyone has the right to enforce their views on anyone else.
I also think that the Christian faith bears little if no ressemblence to the teachings of JC himself.
I think the catholic church has a lot to answer for.
I am all for live and let live.. I don't care what sexual orientation , skin colour or religious views anyone has as long as they are decent people.

I do not think any of us have any business to tell others how to live their lives and I do think this biogted couple need to be give a short sharp wake up call.

What if it was "Cookham hotelier 'turned black couple away'"
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Unthinkable now, but maybe not in the 60s.
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50 years on, some haven't evolved at all..

chesham20, you just proved my point. Who said I was Christian. Muslim, Atheist or even Gay?

And Elmo, you obviously think religion is a load of nonsense, but to some people it's the only thing keeping them going. Do you not understand that? You bash religion with full conviction, yet believe a flawed theory about evolution where there is NO real proof. Like your view about religion, why don't you provide conclusive proof that it exists. I'll save you the bother - you can't because its a theory!

Why is then ok for you to believe that and not then allow people to believe what they want.

Everybody is quick off the mark to pass judgement but what you fail to realise is that you can't bully people into your way of thinking.

By name calling or not even attempting to understand the others point of view will not solve anything.

You just doing what the majority forced the minority to do in the past. Change their views to fit in with society, but in that case people had no choice but to change (or hide) inorder to stay alive.

Why should people be bullied into doing things that they don't want to?

As i said before, it works both ways.

The only prejudice I have is a deep loathing of matching His & Hers M&S knitwear

weyfarer wrote:

Az-R wrote:
First off I’m surprised that so many comments have been posted just because 2 people were turned away from a place of business. In my own business, If I was uncomfortable about serving one of my customers for whatever reason, then I would not serve them. There are plenty of alternative places they could go. And I’m sure the B&B didn’t feel comfortable with a gay couple in one of their bedrooms- which by the way doesn’t mean they should give up the business. Let’s get real. Common examples of discrimination are: • Companies do it all the time with credit checks • Main food outlets don’t serve Halal or Kosher food • Expensive restaurants “require” you to wear a dinner jacket • NightClubs won’t let you in if your wearing trainers. • Women are sometimes recruited because of the looks/image. • We all get charged a fixed “council tax” regardless of income. .... isn’t that all discrimination in one form or another? Secondly, I don’t understand why people who don’t believe homosexuality is right (regardless of if your born that way or not) are automatically uneducated, bigots or narrow minded? Isn’t that just generalising or even worse name calling? You know nothing about them so what gives you the right to stereotype? Just because the government passed a law doesn’t mean it is definitive. Come on, the law says I can’t attack a burgular in my house, unless he attacks me first. Is that right? The truth is (as per the article) that things were dealt with amicably. Nobody was abusive and nobody was rude. Fact is everybody has a faith (godly or not) and as far as I can tell, the mainstream ones believe homosexuality to be a sin. Do you really expect people to change their belief system inorder to fit in with society? Well yes and no. Yes in order to live a peaceful and community cohesive life, but no if it goes against your morals and views. You have to remember that history has shown us that homosexuality was a taboo subject up until a few years ago so for people on here to be “disgusted” by the homophobic comments, just shows that they don’t understand how the world works. People are different and react differently in certain situations. In this particular case, the B&B owners probably made their decision because whether you like it or not, Gay sex is/was seen as “dirty”. I could go on and on giving you one example after another regarding discrimination, but the only thing we ALL need to realise is that we need to accept and understand the others point of view (regardless of whether we agree with it or not) and learn to live with each other. It works both ways.

AZ-R - All the points you list are lifestyle choices including religion, you may be bought up to eat halal and Kosher but you have the choice not to when you are old enough. Homosexuality is forced upon you, you cannot turn your innermost feelings off or the other way.
Your points are well thought out but fundamentally wrong, very wrong. How would you feel if your kids werre gay and being talked about like you are on here about a group you know little about?

I'm not disputing the fact that feelings should be ignored or turned off, I never said that. But lets take life with a pinch of salt. Nothing is black an white- we all know that.

And as for what I would feel about what others say if my kids were gay, then the answer is not a lot. That is because i don't base my lifeviews on what other people think. I'm old enough to use my own brain thanks.

Anyway, All I am saying is lets show a little empathy for the other persons point of view. It willl go a long way.

The basis if me getting involved in this is because everybody is making out that the b&b are evil monsters without actually understanding why they turned the couple away and I don't think that is fair.

Hebrews 1:2 Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

I guess these christians forgot about this part of the bible... Funny that.

Az-R wrote:
First off I’m surprised that so many comments have been posted just because 2 people were turned away from a place of business. In my own business, If I was uncomfortable about serving one of my customers for whatever reason, then I would not serve them. There are plenty of alternative places they could go. And I’m sure the B&B didn’t feel comfortable with a gay couple in one of their bedrooms- which by the way doesn’t mean they should give up the business. Let’s get real. Common examples of discrimination are: • Companies do it all the time with credit checks • Main food outlets don’t serve Halal or Kosher food • Expensive restaurants “require” you to wear a dinner jacket • NightClubs won’t let you in if your wearing trainers. • Women are sometimes recruited because of the looks/image. • We all get charged a fixed “council tax” regardless of income. .... isn’t that all discrimination in one form or another? Secondly, I don’t understand why people who don’t believe homosexuality is right (regardless of if your born that way or not) are automatically uneducated, bigots or narrow minded? Isn’t that just generalising or even worse name calling? You know nothing about them so what gives you the right to stereotype? Just because the government passed a law doesn’t mean it is definitive. Come on, the law says I can’t attack a burgular in my house, unless he attacks me first. Is that right? The truth is (as per the article) that things were dealt with amicably. Nobody was abusive and nobody was rude. Fact is everybody has a faith (godly or not) and as far as I can tell, the mainstream ones believe homosexuality to be a sin. Do you really expect people to change their belief system inorder to fit in with society? Well yes and no. Yes in order to live a peaceful and community cohesive life, but no if it goes against your morals and views. You have to remember that history has shown us that homosexuality was a taboo subject up until a few years ago so for people on here to be “disgusted” by the homophobic comments, just shows that they don’t understand how the world works. People are different and react differently in certain situations. In this particular case, the B&B owners probably made their decision because whether you like it or not, Gay sex is/was seen as “dirty”. I could go on and on giving you one example after another regarding discrimination, but the only thing we ALL need to realise is that we need to accept and understand the others point of view (regardless of whether we agree with it or not) and learn to live with each other. It works both ways.

Well said, completely agree and highlights just how mad this Country has become but then in reality, we are dealing with an industry, in the same way that the race relations industry is a multi-million pound concern, so is the homosexual lobby; ultimately, this self-interest groups do more harm to their causes than good.

SarahQ wrote:
Hebrews 1:2 Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

I guess these christians forgot about this part of the bible... Funny that.

Didn't forget about it.
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I don't believe in religion it only leads to disputes and war
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But thanks for shoving your religion in my face.

when minority groups start acting like this I loose all sympathy for them.

He said: “You may have personal views or opinions but they don't override the law.”

yeah? same can be said in Islamic countries that practice forms of Sharia law. So why do the west always want to change it?

Still better than any other country, I reckon. North Korea, possibly, isn't so mad, having got rid of both religion and tolerance (the two great evils) but I believe there's a long waiting list to get in.