Turned away gay B&B couple: we'll decide on court within week

Michael Black and John Morgan Michael Black and John Morgan

THE gay couple who were turned away from a Cookham Bed and Breakfast say they will decide whether to take the owners to court within a week.

Michael Black, 62, and John Morgan, 56, have also called for Tory leader David Cameron to sack his shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling.

He was secretly taped by the Observer newspaper suggesting he backed the stance of Christians who run B&Bs to turning away guests.

He is quoted as saying: “I took the view that if it's a question of somebody who's doing a B&B in their own home, that individual should have the right to decide who does and who doesn't come into their own home."

However, he said hotels should not have the right to exclude gay couples.

The Observer report has reignited the debate about gay equality laws.

Christian couple Mike and Susanne Wilkinson, who run the Swiss B & B in Terry's Lane first found themselves at the centre of the media storm in March.

They said allowing Mr Morgan, a Lib Dem councillor, and Mr Black, to share a bed went against their beliefs, stating they obey 'God's laws'.

Cambridgeshire resident Mr Black, a Lib Dem supporter, said: “It's bizarre, Mr Grayling appears to be proposing is that people should be free to break the law in accordance with their convictions on religious grounds but he says it's not necessary to change the law which is contradictory in itself.

“That's very worrying in a potential home secretary who would be responsible for law in this country.

“I'm surprised that as far as I know there hasn't been any response from David Cameron.

“It should be a case of David Cameron standing up and saying by sacking him that sort of attitude is not acceptable in the Conservative party.

“You can brush it under the carpet but that doesn't make the point that David Cameron and the Conservatives would be projecting the view that religious beliefs put anybody above the law.”

He added they were close to deciding on civil court action against the Wilkinsons: “We are seeing a mate tomorrow who is a barrister who is going to give us advice and we'll make a decision fairly soon hopefully in the next week.”

But Mr Wilkinson, 55, said he and his wife are happy to stand up for their beliefs in court.

“We believe we have a robust argument and hope the judge will agree,” he said.

He said Mr Grayling's taped comments have sparked further interest in their stance – and even more messages.

He said: “We were very pleased with what he (Mr Grayling) has to say, we believe that this is a very sensible position to take.

“He feels that within a private guest house we should have the option of who we take as guests.

“Personally I would like this to become a matter of debate leading up to the election.

“We continue to get supportive emails from all and sundry including people of faith, not of faith and gay people.

“Also we have had a ton more abuse but on balance we are pleased with the support we have been receiving.”

The couple received threats of violence from strangers, including to burn their house down after the initial story broke.

Mr Black and Mr Morgan have fiercely condemned the threats.

Mr Wilkinson said the calls for Mr Grayling to be sacked were “pretty irrational” considering he had voted in favour of gay equality legislation.

He said the idea that one gay rights outweighed religious convictions was a “democratic imbalance” caused by a “powerful” minority which “thinks it can trample over groups with equally strong views – which is sadly wrong.”

Mr Grayling has since released a statement denying he opposed gay rights and saying he would not be pressing for a change in the law, but felt it was important to respect the sensitivities of faith groups.

Conservative head office would not comment beyond the statement as to Mr Grayling's future.

Comments (24)

6:22pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Save Wycombe says...

Does the bible not also state "judge not lest you be judged?". The couple running this guest house are misguided if they think turning away people because they don't agree with their lifestyle is an appropriate Christian response. They are giving Christians a bad name, in my view
Does the bible not also state "judge not lest you be judged?". The couple running this guest house are misguided if they think turning away people because they don't agree with their lifestyle is an appropriate Christian response. They are giving Christians a bad name, in my view Save Wycombe

6:49pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Slacker says...

So what grounds are they going to sue them for?
So what grounds are they going to sue them for? Slacker

7:32pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Hit me says...

Disagree with the god bothering argument believe whatever you want to, but obey the rules that we all have to live by.

That said, I do believe that they should not be obliged to accommodate anyone - just a shop is not obliged to sell you the goods on its shelves, and just like a nightclub can refuse you entry at their discretion...
Disagree with the god bothering argument believe whatever you want to, but obey the rules that we all have to live by. That said, I do believe that they should not be obliged to accommodate anyone - just a shop is not obliged to sell you the goods on its shelves, and just like a nightclub can refuse you entry at their discretion... Hit me

7:39pm Wed 7 Apr 10

miccles says...

to be quite honest, i'm fed up of these 2, switch on the tv, they are moaning, does anyone really care?, is it life threatening? i don't think so, let both parties do what they want.
to be quite honest, i'm fed up of these 2, switch on the tv, they are moaning, does anyone really care?, is it life threatening? i don't think so, let both parties do what they want. miccles

8:26pm Wed 7 Apr 10

Lividov says...

yeah yeah! i'm fed up with them all too. i reckon they should round all the gays up and all the christians and have a massive boxing match and whoever wins gets to choose the outcome - that should sort it.
yeah yeah! i'm fed up with them all too. i reckon they should round all the gays up and all the christians and have a massive boxing match and whoever wins gets to choose the outcome - that should sort it. Lividov

8:31pm Wed 7 Apr 10

demoness says...

I think Mr Morgan should visit a dentist.
I think Mr Morgan should visit a dentist. demoness

8:48pm Wed 7 Apr 10

BigTommy says...

"We'll decide on court within week" ...
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Why the wait? or are these two stringing this out to gain as much publicity as they can?
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There comes a point when no matter how just someone's case that they begin to milk it.
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Mr Black and Mr Morgan, you have now stepped beyond the point of trying to make something that was unjust right, and have stepped into "let's become celebrities" mode.
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I no longer support you. If you are going to court then just shut up and do it, stop all this posturing about "maybe we will, maybe we won't".
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It just shows that the complaint is no longer important to them - but showing off to the press is. If it were that important you would have decided already and done something.
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"We'll decide on court within week" ... ~ Why the wait? or are these two stringing this out to gain as much publicity as they can? ~ There comes a point when no matter how just someone's case that they begin to milk it. ~ Mr Black and Mr Morgan, you have now stepped beyond the point of trying to make something that was unjust right, and have stepped into "let's become celebrities" mode. ~ I no longer support you. If you are going to court then just shut up and do it, stop all this posturing about "maybe we will, maybe we won't". ~ It just shows that the complaint is no longer important to them - but showing off to the press is. If it were that important you would have decided already and done something. ~ BigTommy

8:50pm Wed 7 Apr 10

tigeran says...

I am sure these two were "shocked" at the response some people had to this story when it first came out and said they "did not mean for the owners of the B&B to receive the hostility they did" yet are still undecided as to whether to take them to court?!! Make your minds up!!
I am sure these two were "shocked" at the response some people had to this story when it first came out and said they "did not mean for the owners of the B&B to receive the hostility they did" yet are still undecided as to whether to take them to court?!! Make your minds up!! tigeran

9:01pm Wed 7 Apr 10

sportsturf says...

LMAO....this is a crock of sh*te.....The Wilkinsons are perfectly within their rights to turn away who ever they bloody well like....would you hear about this if they turned away a straight couple for what ever reason......Arthur and Martha should shut up and put up...i have loads of gay friends, and even they reckon these two idiots are acting pathetically.......
LMAO....this is a crock of sh*te.....The Wilkinsons are perfectly within their rights to turn away who ever they bloody well like....would you hear about this if they turned away a straight couple for what ever reason......Arthur and Martha should shut up and put up...i have loads of gay friends, and even they reckon these two idiots are acting pathetically....... sportsturf

1:25am Thu 8 Apr 10

J B Blackett says...

Latest score :
Gay Gladiators 1 - Christians 0.
Up to date Bulletins to follow as and when.
Latest score : Gay Gladiators 1 - Christians 0. Up to date Bulletins to follow as and when. J B Blackett

8:25am Thu 8 Apr 10

Voyeur says...

Slacker - I think they will be suing for discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
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As soon as the Wilkinsons charge people to stay in their home it became a place of business.
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Certainly, if they were allowing people to stay in their home free of charge they could probably turn away anyone they like or don't like.
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But in the conduct of a business you have to comply with the law.
Slacker - I think they will be suing for discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. . As soon as the Wilkinsons charge people to stay in their home it became a place of business. . Certainly, if they were allowing people to stay in their home free of charge they could probably turn away anyone they like or don't like. . But in the conduct of a business you have to comply with the law. Voyeur

9:30am Thu 8 Apr 10

vocal local says...

demoness wrote:
I think Mr Morgan should visit a dentist.
maybe that is why they want to take the B&B owners to court, and get some money.....just a thought lol. In my opinion, this story has become extremely boring now.
[quote][p][bold]demoness[/bold] wrote: I think Mr Morgan should visit a dentist.[/p][/quote]maybe that is why they want to take the B&B owners to court, and get some money.....just a thought lol. In my opinion, this story has become extremely boring now. vocal local

12:55pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Lillymoe says...

Hit me wrote:
Disagree with the god bothering argument believe whatever you want to, but obey the rules that we all have to live by. That said, I do believe that they should not be obliged to accommodate anyone - just a shop is not obliged to sell you the goods on its shelves, and just like a nightclub can refuse you entry at their discretion...
well said !!
You or I could be turned away from anywhere, its upto the owner thats life ! They should have called ahead to see if the B&B would accept gays, some dont and it is written on some websites.
I just think they are after money.
This is boring, its life get on with it !
[quote][p][bold]Hit me[/bold] wrote: Disagree with the god bothering argument believe whatever you want to, but obey the rules that we all have to live by. That said, I do believe that they should not be obliged to accommodate anyone - just a shop is not obliged to sell you the goods on its shelves, and just like a nightclub can refuse you entry at their discretion...[/p][/quote]well said !! You or I could be turned away from anywhere, its upto the owner thats life ! They should have called ahead to see if the B&B would accept gays, some dont and it is written on some websites. I just think they are after money. This is boring, its life get on with it ! Lillymoe

1:42pm Thu 8 Apr 10

Malc London says...

Hope I get called up for the Jury. All for equal rights but the owners have the right to refuse who they like in my opinion.
Hope I get called up for the Jury. All for equal rights but the owners have the right to refuse who they like in my opinion. Malc London

2:35pm Thu 8 Apr 10

678 says...

I think the gay couple need to put their handbags away and stop having a hissy fit.
I think the gay couple need to put their handbags away and stop having a hissy fit. 678

3:53pm Thu 8 Apr 10

bernaaard says...

Ah for crying out loud......just go away the pair of you.

What good is it going to do taking this to court. You didnt like what they did so you went crying off to the papers. You got your 5 minutes of publicity, a few whining saddos agreed with your pathetic plight, the rest of us didnt and now you are dragging it out for dramatics.

NOONE CARES !!

There are much worse things going on in this world, and this area for that matter that warrant this space more than you do.

BFP, stop going back to this story, Gay blokes, let it go and lets just all move on eh !
Ah for crying out loud......just go away the pair of you. What good is it going to do taking this to court. You didnt like what they did so you went crying off to the papers. You got your 5 minutes of publicity, a few whining saddos agreed with your pathetic plight, the rest of us didnt and now you are dragging it out for dramatics. NOONE CARES !! There are much worse things going on in this world, and this area for that matter that warrant this space more than you do. BFP, stop going back to this story, Gay blokes, let it go and lets just all move on eh ! bernaaard

8:06am Fri 9 Apr 10

Gembira says...

Malc London wrote:
Hope I get called up for the Jury. All for equal rights but the owners have the right to refuse who they like in my opinion.
But they DON'T have the right to turn away people just because they're gay or black or whatever - that's the law.
[quote][p][bold]Malc London[/bold] wrote: Hope I get called up for the Jury. All for equal rights but the owners have the right to refuse who they like in my opinion.[/p][/quote]But they DON'T have the right to turn away people just because they're gay or black or whatever - that's the law. Gembira

8:10am Fri 9 Apr 10

Gembira says...

Lillymoe wrote:
Hit me wrote: Disagree with the god bothering argument believe whatever you want to, but obey the rules that we all have to live by. That said, I do believe that they should not be obliged to accommodate anyone - just a shop is not obliged to sell you the goods on its shelves, and just like a nightclub can refuse you entry at their discretion...
well said !! You or I could be turned away from anywhere, its upto the owner thats life ! They should have called ahead to see if the B&B would accept gays, some dont and it is written on some websites. I just think they are after money. This is boring, its life get on with it !
Lillymoe, it's NOT up to the owner - the law says you cannot discriminate on grounds of sexual orientation. So no reason why the gay couple should have called ahead.
[quote][p][bold]Lillymoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hit me[/bold] wrote: Disagree with the god bothering argument believe whatever you want to, but obey the rules that we all have to live by. That said, I do believe that they should not be obliged to accommodate anyone - just a shop is not obliged to sell you the goods on its shelves, and just like a nightclub can refuse you entry at their discretion...[/p][/quote]well said !! You or I could be turned away from anywhere, its upto the owner thats life ! They should have called ahead to see if the B&B would accept gays, some dont and it is written on some websites. I just think they are after money. This is boring, its life get on with it ![/p][/quote]Lillymoe, it's NOT up to the owner - the law says you cannot discriminate on grounds of sexual orientation. So no reason why the gay couple should have called ahead. Gembira

8:12am Fri 9 Apr 10

Gembira says...

678 wrote:
I think the gay couple need to put their handbags away and stop having a hissy fit.
Perhaps you need to put your outdated stereotypes away!
[quote][p][bold]678[/bold] wrote: I think the gay couple need to put their handbags away and stop having a hissy fit.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you need to put your outdated stereotypes away! Gembira

8:15am Fri 9 Apr 10

Gembira says...

sportsturf wrote:
LMAO....this is a crock of sh*te.....The Wilkinsons are perfectly within their rights to turn away who ever they bloody well like....would you hear about this if they turned away a straight couple for what ever reason......Arthur and Martha should shut up and put up...i have loads of gay friends, and even they reckon these two idiots are acting pathetically.......
The Wilkinsons are not "within their rights", they were acting illegally. And if a straight couple were turned away from a B&B because of their sexuality, they'd be equally entitled to complain.
[quote][p][bold]sportsturf[/bold] wrote: LMAO....this is a crock of sh*te.....The Wilkinsons are perfectly within their rights to turn away who ever they bloody well like....would you hear about this if they turned away a straight couple for what ever reason......Arthur and Martha should shut up and put up...i have loads of gay friends, and even they reckon these two idiots are acting pathetically.......[/p][/quote]The Wilkinsons are not "within their rights", they were acting illegally. And if a straight couple were turned away from a B&B because of their sexuality, they'd be equally entitled to complain. Gembira

2:42pm Fri 9 Apr 10

678 says...

Gembira wrote:
678 wrote: I think the gay couple need to put their handbags away and stop having a hissy fit.
Perhaps you need to put your outdated stereotypes away!
maybe you need to untwist your knickers?
[quote][p][bold]Gembira[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]678[/bold] wrote: I think the gay couple need to put their handbags away and stop having a hissy fit.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you need to put your outdated stereotypes away![/p][/quote]maybe you need to untwist your knickers? 678

2:59pm Fri 9 Apr 10

bernaaard says...

SHUT ABOUT THIS NOW PLEASE !

This is not worth the time or effort of reporting, it is people with nothing to say, saying a lot very loudly.

People are discrimated against all the time, including of all things, positively now.

If we went round making a big deal out of each and every case, you would all be taken to court for some kind of dsicrimination.

And dont sit there being all high and mighty saying it wouldnt be you, cos i bet there is something you are predjudice against if you look deep within yourself.
SHUT ABOUT THIS NOW PLEASE ! This is not worth the time or effort of reporting, it is people with nothing to say, saying a lot very loudly. People are discrimated against all the time, including of all things, positively now. If we went round making a big deal out of each and every case, you would all be taken to court for some kind of dsicrimination. And dont sit there being all high and mighty saying it wouldnt be you, cos i bet there is something you are predjudice against if you look deep within yourself. bernaaard

2:52pm Sat 10 Apr 10

wtfnat says...

Surely they should turn away couples that aren't married then?
Surely they should turn away couples that aren't married then? wtfnat

7:08am Tue 4 May 10

lonerider7 says...

When i have traveled around this country on my motorcycle over the years this has been a regular thing that has hapend to me but i have just taken it in my stride and told other bikers dont bother to go to the place , not made a big thing about it maybe its that im strait
When i have traveled around this country on my motorcycle over the years this has been a regular thing that has hapend to me but i have just taken it in my stride and told other bikers dont bother to go to the place , not made a big thing about it maybe its that im strait lonerider7

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