Muslim community in High Wycombe aims to counter extremists (From Bucks Free Press)

Where were these muslims when the people of Sudan were being raped, tortures and killed for being to African and not Arab enough?
Where were these self-serving muslims following the 7th of July bombings of London. I'm am sick to the back teeth teeth of Islamist propaganda. Islam means submission . People in the UK had better wake up to this awful fascist movement.
I agree with Geert.
Democracy or Islam , decide.

Headscarfs other than those that Iranian women would "prefer to wear" IE like Grace Kelly or the Queen are deeply offensive in the UK. They are as offensive to us as wearing a short skirt would be in Mecca. They are offensive for many reasons. They are identifying tribal cloth. Identifying cloth is a precondition for genocides. And there are genocides of women all over the tribal and Islamic world. There are deaths by violence neglect and in childbirth.
As far as the child bride issue of course you are right. It is a matter of history except that in 2010 little girls are being married and raped and then dying in childbirth using the excuse of "The Prophet did it". The ex governor of a Province of Nigeria is challenging child protection law because it is his right as a Muslim man..to marry a baby.

Headscarfs other than those that Iranian women would "prefer to wear" IE like Grace Kelly or the Queen are deeply offensive in the UK. They are as offensive to us as wearing a short skirt would be in Mecca. They are offensive for many reasons. They are identifying tribal cloth. Identifying cloth is a precondition for genocides. And there are genocides of women all over the tribal and Islamic world. There are deaths by violence neglect and in childbirth.
As far as the child bride issue of course you are right. It is a matter of history except that in 2010 little girls are being married and raped and then dying in childbirth using the excuse of "The Prophet did it". The ex governor of a Province of Nigeria is challenging child protection law because it is his right as a Muslim man..to marry a baby.

ref:-Mr Blunn's comments.

I think you are confusing Religion with Territorial Tradition. You seem like an intelligent fellow, so please backup your comments using references from the Koran and its teachings if you can, and let us all know where Islam allows such things to take place.

Fact is you won't be able to - and the reason these things happen around the world is because of lack of education and misinterpretation of Islam.

Its like me saying I'm a vegetarian, but can eat chicken. It happens.

At the end of the day, People will believe what they want to believe, and your comments only further alienate British Muslims who try very hard to fit in with society and build valuable constructive interfaith relationships.

With regards to Democracy, we have just witnessed with the UK Parliament, that twe have NO real voice. Contradiction in terms? me think so.

I'm sure you work/play/interact with Muslims at some point in your life and you can't tell me your experience with all of them or any of them has been bad?

I know it is hard for people with your views, but please don't try to tar all Muslims and "so called" Muslims with the same brush.

The initiative is good in that their needs to a clearer and better understanding of Islam, but why has it taken so long... What were the Religious institutions and so called leaders doing before?
The concern of the media perpetuating the image of the terrorist Muslim needs to challenged and changed, prime example being the picture associated with this article!
But here in High Wycombe we have a strange and profound series of events whereby since the terror raids local Islamic groups have recieved preventing violent extremism funds from the local authorities, affirming the assumption of terrorists amongst the community and thereby criminalizing the community, these groups and leaders have colluded with various reports and intiatives, allowing the surveillence of all, never once then challenging the impact and damage to the actual communities, just as long as they were in continual receipt of funds and funding for initiatives that have never been published or measured as contributing any value from the hundreds and thousands that have been squandered from public and tax payers money.
Now they want to recieve funds for undoing the negative myths, propaganda and political posturing that they have been happy to collude with.!!!!!!
I am aghast at the depth of the immorality and opportunistic greed that all of these local so called religious groups and institutions, not discounting the local authority and it's leadership's posturing....

Then there is the concern of the group itself, if my research proves well hardly representative of any local muslim or the views held locally, how are they going to percieved by the already established institutions and their respective congregations? As their already exists a raft of difference in teaching and rhetoric between these various mosques and leaders?
What has the local authority funded again?

Ref: Mr Bunn's comment
I was curious to understand where such negative views could come from. Interestingly I found that this exact same post from the same person has been posted many times before on other articles regarding Muslims. I wonder Mr Bunn if you actually read this article or not or did you simply type in “Muslim” into Google and copied and pasted your bigoted bile into the comments page. Perhaps this is how you spend your time.
Its a shame you didn't take the time to read the article and many others like this as you would have learned that many communities exist, not just from the Muslim faith who are working hard for inter-faith harmony . You should be aware that the Ahmadiyya group in High Wycombe have been involved in many events including marathon walks, peace conferences etc for many years all geared towards spreading peace and good will for the High Wycombe community. I have also been involved in many such events run by Christians, Hindu ans Sikh communities. The point is don't judge people by the extremest views of a very small minority and let us all praise and applaud communities who are working hard to eradicate these extremist views.

It is a pity some people seem to express themselves with a rather a narrow view , total ignorance , and a rather grotesque view of some aspects of modern life.
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Also they appear to have no idea of what's going on in the world including very recent times (last month !!) and react in a rather uncouth and ill-informed manner.
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For their information some of these Muslims are most often considered heretics and blasphemers by a lot , if not the majority of other 'branches' of Islam. In fact they are regarded as on a par with what are called derogatorily 'kaffirs' ( unbelievers) and are persecuted all over the world by 'true believers.
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Last month scores of them were murdered in Pakistan for just being what they are and this sort of persecution has been going on and continues in lots of other 'strict' Islamic countries. This sect is a self-declared and proven peaceful part of Islam and has no warlike or violent intentions towards anybody. They ultimate intention is to unite all people before the end of our world.
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Please educate yourselves before mouthing off and condemning people when you appear to have absolutely no knowledge of the subject. It's all on the internet if you're interested ; if not , it would prove that you are self-evident bigots ( in the true sense of the word) on a par with the people You think are religious zealots and also bigots.
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No offence intended as I am also a lover of peace.
Regards
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I consider myself not religious in any way as I gave that all up when I realised a long time ago how much hatred and division and death institutionalized religion causes all over the world of man/womankind.

One way they could "break down the barriers" is hand out free home made samosa or that deep fried veg stuff - or at least give us the recipe...

Ten years for all homes in the town to receive this chaps leaflets? Here’s an idea, on Monday buy some stamps from your local post office, stick these on the leaflets and on Tuesday Wycombe will wake up with your leaflets on their doormats, which they can than promptly throw into the bin.

Perhaps this is simply to attract a ten year PVE funding? If it is, I applaud you. It is a clever idea. Over the last few years, a good number of local Muslims and Muslim institutions have done well fleecing the taxpayers under the pretext of PVE. Thames Valley Police have also sidetracked millions of pounds using PVE as a front and used the money to top up pensions, refurbish premises, purchase equipment, etc.

British Muslims should stop apologising for being muslim and start practicing their religion as they feel it should be practiced. You are British and Muslim and do not need to apologise for anyone else. Whether you agree with the extemists or not, they practice their faith with a conviction and determination which most "liberal" muslims do not even approach, the "progressive" muslims seem to be too busy apologising for their extremist neighbours and handing out leaflets. Practice your religion as it should be practiced and your example will send a much better message than leaflets and free somosas. There is nothing wrong with your religion, focus on practicing it and setting an example and you, your children and the society around you will be better off for it. There is a lot the British non-muslim people could learn from you about family life, charity, finance, food, looking after your neigbours, social and business etiquette, work ethic, race relations and education.

Tony5922 wrote:
British Muslims should stop apologising for being muslim and start practicing their religion as they feel it should be practiced. You are British and Muslim and do not need to apologise for anyone else. Whether you agree with the extemists or not, they practice their faith with a conviction and determination which most "liberal" muslims do not even approach, the "progressive" muslims seem to be too busy apologising for their extremist neighbours and handing out leaflets. Practice your religion as it should be practiced and your example will send a much better message than leaflets and free somosas. There is nothing wrong with your religion, focus on practicing it and setting an example and you, your children and the society around you will be better off for it. There is a lot the British non-muslim people could learn from you about family life, charity, finance, food, looking after your neigbours, social and business etiquette, work ethic, race relations and education.

I do not disagree with most of what you say.
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However I would sincerely like to point out there are a vast number of people of no or little religion who have just as many social , intellectual , charitable , ethical , familial and spiritual values as people of any of the established religions.
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Nobody seems to speak out on behalf of this segment of 'godless' people who are ignored by the media (they may outnumber all the rest - who knows !).
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Mainly because they tend to be 'peace-loving' , just live their lives and don't follow other people's agenda, doctrines and decrees.
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Not considered Newsworthy IMHO
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Regards

J B Blackett - I respect anyone who wants to make a better world by setting a good example. It's a lot harder than handing out leaflets or preaching, but much more effective. I think we all have a lot to learn from "rationalists" and other theories seeking to create a better and more just society, with or without the element of a supreme being.

Tony5922 wrote:
J B Blackett - I respect anyone who wants to make a better world by setting a good example. It's a lot harder than handing out leaflets or preaching, but much more effective. I think we all have a lot to learn from "rationalists" and other theories seeking to create a better and more just society, with or without the element of a supreme being.

I agree entirely . Regards

Integration, integration, blah, blah!!!

Integration between muslims and the rest of us is impossible and will never happen.
I know a lot of people are going to dislike my comments but they are true.
Muslims move to the western countries for prosperity only, nothing more, nothing less. They do not condone mixed religion relationships (honour killings) They wear tribal clothing which makes them look different to the rest of us. They create little ghettos in any town that they decide to settle in. Why do they insist on referring to the (muslim community) Shouldn't we all just be a community?
Let's face it, true integration is never going to happen because whenever we bend over to please them, and we always do, they move the goal posts and want more....
Islamaphobia!! What's that? Scared of muslims????
It is yet another form of repression that can ONLY be applied to non muslims. Is there a christianaphobia? a westernaphobia???
There aren't because we don't have the built in instinct to just keep pushing for more.
You can all call me a racist, it doesn't bother, nor does honky, white B*stard or any of the other names that I've been called in the past. I believe everyone should be free to embrace their own feelings If I went to live in Mecca, I wouldn't expect the locals to change anything there to suit me. It's there place and I would always be a guest, always! Just like they are here.

Just proves my point

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skruffs wrote:
Integration, integration, blah, blah!!!

Integration between muslims and the rest of us is impossible and will never happen.
I know a lot of people are going to dislike my comments but they are true.
Muslims move to the western countries for prosperity only, nothing more, nothing less. They do not condone mixed religion relationships (honour killings) They wear tribal clothing which makes them look different to the rest of us. They create little ghettos in any town that they decide to settle in. Why do they insist on referring to the (muslim community) Shouldn't we all just be a community?
Let's face it, true integration is never going to happen because whenever we bend over to please them, and we always do, they move the goal posts and want more....
Islamaphobia!! What's that? Scared of muslims????
It is yet another form of repression that can ONLY be applied to non muslims. Is there a christianaphobia? a westernaphobia???
There aren't because we don't have the built in instinct to just keep pushing for more.
You can all call me a racist, it doesn't bother, nor does honky, white B*stard or any of the other names that I've been called in the past. I believe everyone should be free to embrace their own feelings If I went to live in Mecca, I wouldn't expect the locals to change anything there to suit me. It's there place and I would always be a guest, always! Just like they are here.

Given that it doesn't bother you:-

MUPPET

Ewartwhatyoubulldoze wrote:

skruffs wrote:
Integration, integration, blah, blah!!!

Integration between muslims and the rest of us is impossible and will never happen.
I know a lot of people are going to dislike my comments but they are true.
Muslims move to the western countries for prosperity only, nothing more, nothing less. They do not condone mixed religion relationships (honour killings) They wear tribal clothing which makes them look different to the rest of us. They create little ghettos in any town that they decide to settle in. Why do they insist on referring to the (muslim community) Shouldn't we all just be a community?
Let's face it, true integration is never going to happen because whenever we bend over to please them, and we always do, they move the goal posts and want more....
Islamaphobia!! What's that? Scared of muslims????
It is yet another form of repression that can ONLY be applied to non muslims. Is there a christianaphobia? a westernaphobia???
There aren't because we don't have the built in instinct to just keep pushing for more.
You can all call me a racist, it doesn't bother, nor does honky, white B*stard or any of the other names that I've been called in the past. I believe everyone should be free to embrace their own feelings If I went to live in Mecca, I wouldn't expect the locals to change anything there to suit me. It's there place and I would always be a guest, always! Just like they are here.

Given that it doesn't bother you:-

MUPPET

Any reply is better than nothing. It means that you read my post which pleases me.
Lives in Hughenden, one word insult reply.....
Do yourself some justice fella, put a bit of thought into your posts please.

Ewartwhatyoubulldoze wrote:

skruffs wrote:
Integration, integration, blah, blah!!!

Integration between muslims and the rest of us is impossible and will never happen.
I know a lot of people are going to dislike my comments but they are true.
Muslims move to the western countries for prosperity only, nothing more, nothing less. They do not condone mixed religion relationships (honour killings) They wear tribal clothing which makes them look different to the rest of us. They create little ghettos in any town that they decide to settle in. Why do they insist on referring to the (muslim community) Shouldn't we all just be a community?
Let's face it, true integration is never going to happen because whenever we bend over to please them, and we always do, they move the goal posts and want more....
Islamaphobia!! What's that? Scared of muslims????
It is yet another form of repression that can ONLY be applied to non muslims. Is there a christianaphobia? a westernaphobia???
There aren't because we don't have the built in instinct to just keep pushing for more.
You can all call me a racist, it doesn't bother, nor does honky, white B*stard or any of the other names that I've been called in the past. I believe everyone should be free to embrace their own feelings If I went to live in Mecca, I wouldn't expect the locals to change anything there to suit me. It's there place and I would always be a guest, always! Just like they are here.

Given that it doesn't bother you:-

MUPPET

Any reply is better than nothing. It means that you read my post which pleases me.
Lives in Hughenden, one word insult reply.....
Do yourself some justice fella, put a bit of thought into your posts please.