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10:16am Friday 25th June 2010 in
This story was updated at 3pm.
POLICE stop and searches amongst ethnic minorities in High Wycombe are ‘disproportionate’, the chief constable of Thames Valley Police has said.
Of 1,586 ethnic minorities searched in 10 months, some 87 were arrested - and chief constable Sara Thornton said this was too low.
Independent police authority member Ben Simpson said: “It appears to be somewhat disproportionate given the population.”
Mr Simpson said: “I believe that to be inappropriate and unlawful.”
Chf Const Thornton said: “You are absolutely right. Wycombe is the most disproportionate.”
A total 8,976 people were searched between April 2009 to February 2010, with 2,746 from 'black and minority ethnic' groups.
Yet of this number the majority, 1,586 were from Wycombe district compared to 574 in Aylesbury Vale, 397 in Chiltern and 189 in South Buckinghamshire districts.
This means 45 per cent of Wycombe searches were amongst ethnic minorities, which make up 13 per cent of the population.
Ethnic minorities made up 23 per cent of searches in Aylesbury Vale, by comparison. Some eight per cent of residents are from an ethnic minority.
This was 16 per cent against a population of 10 per cent in the South Buckinghamshire district, which includes Beaconsfield and Gerrards Cross.
Click the link at the bottom of this story to read the full figures.
And Chf Const Thornton said: “My biggest problem with stop and search is I don’t think the arrest rate is going up.” This was under ten per cent, she said.
She said: “You are stopping a lot of people from black and Asian backgrounds who are not arrested and that leads of grievances.”
Chf Const Thornton said the district was ‘where some of the wild comments are made’ about the police’s reasons for stopping and searching residents.
The powers must only be used to detect crimes – for which there must be ‘reasonable’ grounds – and not as a deterrent, she said.
She said: “Otherwise they are wasting their time and my time and your money.”
Chf Const Thornton said: “We need to have a good conversation with the local community about that.
“This is also a community who feel very heavily that they are victimised in terms of crime.”
The force would be discussing the issue with Wycombe Race Equality Council, she said. The force did not work to targets, she emphasised.
But she said: “Even if we were perfect, that doesn’t mean we get proportional outcomes.”
Knife crime was a key concern, she said.
Minutes of the last Buckinghamshire Police Committee show the county had ‘lower ethnicity recording rates and intelligence of value’ than others in TVP.
Yet county commander Chief Superintendent Paul Emmings said this did ‘not accurately reflect the true value of the searches’.
Police ‘had run operations with specific intelligence, which in some cases had led to an increase in [black and minority ethnic] stop and searches’.
He cited the example of a burglary gang investigated by police. The ‘local community…had been entirely supportive of the increased stop and search incidents’ the minutes record.
Independent police authority member Alison Phillips, who was at the June 8 Bucks meeting, said she was ‘satisfied’ with the response.
She said: “He was able to give a good account for the reasons for the increase. They were intelligence led stop and searches.”
But fellow independent member Beverley Thompson said: “I didn’t feel convinced that the force was on top of issues of proportionality.”
She added: “There is some serious work we need to look at around arrest rates.”
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catherine_johnson
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10:52am Fri 25 Jun 10
john_b
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11:36am Fri 25 Jun 10
300Aylesbury
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11:48am Fri 25 Jun 10
pennman
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11:57am Fri 25 Jun 10
sidthesexist
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12:06pm Fri 25 Jun 10
john_b wrote:There was a report from WDC stating that if you only count the under 55's they are already the majority in this town. (i.e. it is the pensioners ect that are keeping this town white for at least a generation) however this report seems to have been buried after the BNP used it to point out how immigration is out of control.
Asian and black people aren't really an ethnic minority in Wycombe are they?
john_b
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12:21pm Fri 25 Jun 10
sparky49
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12:24pm Fri 25 Jun 10
Majik
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1:41pm Fri 25 Jun 10
sidthesexist
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2:35pm Fri 25 Jun 10
wonkydonky
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2:43pm Fri 25 Jun 10
john_b
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2:56pm Fri 25 Jun 10
frankbutcher
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3:12pm Fri 25 Jun 10
678
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4:14pm Fri 25 Jun 10
tom.marlow
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4:16pm Fri 25 Jun 10
wonkydonky wrote:take the trouble to have a look at the link and you will find out.
So 1700 people from ethnic minorities were stop and searched. Note they haven't released the number of white people that were subjected to the same. Until they do this how do we know it's been disproportionate to the local population? Wycombe has a much higher % of ethnic minorities than much of the UK. Not being a racist but a realist.
Slimster
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4:18pm Fri 25 Jun 10
678 wrote:This is probably closer to the truth than the politically correct brigade would like to admit.
...maybe the minorities should stop commiting a disproportionate amount of the crimes?
Arkwright
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5:30pm Fri 25 Jun 10
sparky49 wrote:Well not that young - however I wouldn't mind having my collar felt by her, that is if she ever comes out and about..doubtful to say the least!
Female young graduate making it to Chief Constable !!!!!!!! Are you a political appointment? have you been to Wycombe and worked the streets? I work with the police in my role and the fact remains most of the people I have to deal with are Black/Asian 18 to 24 and male. Come out of your ivory tower and see for yourself, do not make PC statements thinking that you are "RIGHT ON".
Arkwright
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5:31pm Fri 25 Jun 10
sparky49 wrote:Well not that young - however I wouldn't mind having my collar felt by her, that is if she ever comes out and about..doubtful to say the least!
Female young graduate making it to Chief Constable !!!!!!!! Are you a political appointment? have you been to Wycombe and worked the streets? I work with the police in my role and the fact remains most of the people I have to deal with are Black/Asian 18 to 24 and male. Come out of your ivory tower and see for yourself, do not make PC statements thinking that you are "RIGHT ON".
DocD
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5:31pm Fri 25 Jun 10
chesham20
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5:50pm Fri 25 Jun 10
678
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5:59pm Fri 25 Jun 10
DocD wrote:where are your numbers on ethnicity of offenders in wycombe???? They do commit a disproportiante amount of crime
Not only are they disproportionate they are discriminatory. If the Asian & African-Caribbean population is 13% of the total pop and yet 45% are being stop and searched how else can this be interpreted? (BTW majority of crime in TVP area is carried out by white people despite the scaremongering that goes on). From recent figures: overall TVP stop more Asians than any other Police force (bar South Yorkshire) in the country and they are being threatened with legal action on both numbers and types of searches being carried out: http://www.guardian. co.uk/law/2010/jun/0 2/police-stop-search -black-asian http://www.guardian. co.uk/uk/2010/jun/10 /anti-terror-law-ill egal-stop-search People need to wake up - leafy Wycombe/Bucks doesn't have a 'race' problem it has a racism problem...
DonkeyWobbler
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6:11pm Fri 25 Jun 10
Arkwright
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7:02pm Fri 25 Jun 10
hondo
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Voyeur
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8:53am Sat 26 Jun 10
DocD
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11:27am Sat 26 Jun 10
678
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1:37pm Sat 26 Jun 10
DocD wrote:from bucks free website.....
'The facts might speak for themselves but some of the victims of those facts no longer speak...' Join the 2nd anniversary vigil outside HW Police station Saturday 3rd July 4-7pm for Habib 'Paps' Ullah who died during a police stop & search in July 2008 http://justice4paps. wordpress.com/
Tony5922
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8:16am Mon 28 Jun 10
CBHYC
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7:31pm Mon 28 Jun 10
CBHYC
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7:37pm Mon 28 Jun 10
bakerbill
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3:31pm Wed 30 Jun 10
Voyeur wrote:You are correct Voyeur. Just in case you missed last years BFP story read it here http://www.bucksfree
Perhaps the origins of people who commit crimes is also "disproportinate"?
MOCOB
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10:28pm Thu 1 Jul 10
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10:34am Fri 25 Jun 10