Safety fears as Rye speed camera faces the axe (From Bucks Free Press)

Once again BCC looks after its own area (Aylesbury),

I'm sure alot will be burnt anyway.

The London Road HW one is the one that the BFP have been using as their generic picture for all speed camera articles. What are they going to do now? Panic in the picture editor's office!

none of these are in most of our areas absolutely disgusting turn off the hazlemere ones first please

How about we leave the speed cameras, but turn off (put to sleep/cull) people who consistently fail to realise that they only make money if THEY BREAK THE LAW.

Can't they leave all the speed cameras in place and decomission the mobile speed cameras. Then take all the operators and make them patrol the streets (walk the beat) instead, this should also allow them to lose a bit of weight instead of feasting out of Dougie's snack bar everyday.

I'm with DonkeyWobbler!!

enough talk - as I know talk costs money - my money / our money - switch them off and ask someone to come and take them away for free.
Lets face it - we didn't have them years ago so why do we need them now - and I would love to meet the person that signed off the one on hamilton hill.. I ask you on the up side of the road... madness.

This is all a licence for all the little boy racers in their souped-up c**p mobiles and BMWs to go racing around our streets with not a care in the world for other road users. It use to be enjoyable to get in the car and go for a drive, not any more, it's a nightmare.

From Loudwater into Wycombe people continually use the Bus lane passing on the inside of those driving correctly, some are doing approx 50 mph at a time it is to be used by buses, there are many near misses when those coming to the end of the restriction cut back into the nearside legally.
Turning off speed cameras is like legalising suicide.
We need POLICE along the Loudwater to Wycombe Marsh stretch to deal with these maniacs.

Be warned

The London Road camera was working this morning so it hasn't been switched off yet!

"Frances Alexander, a former mayor of High Wycombe, said"“How many children will suffer because of this?

What a stupid man

Pity it's only that one.

Well Mr Alexander i suggest you have a good drink this evening, and stop thinking of the "what ifs", i think the school has been there longer than the camera.


Trevor Snaith, a Wycombe District councillor for the Ryemead ward, said London Road is a “racetrack” in the evenings adding “the only respite is when people slowdown for the camera”.


BULLS**T.

You have surveyed the evening traffic then CllR Snaith???????

M40 wrote:
From Loudwater into Wycombe people continually use the Bus lane passing on the inside of those driving correctly, some are doing approx 50 mph at a time it is to be used by buses, there are many near misses when those coming to the end of the restriction cut back into the nearside legally.
Turning off speed cameras is like legalising suicide.
We need POLICE along the Loudwater to Wycombe Marsh stretch to deal with these maniacs.

Motorbikes & Push bikes can use this lane legitimately in the restricted times.
It does irritate when you get someone driving along there not being able to read the sign!
Maybe thats the problem don't put writing on the sign just pretty pictures?

Frances Alexander is rather a nice old lady, wayneo and miccles.
Sadly she is a little out of touch but her intentions are good.
I do wonder, however, if those cameras highlighted were well surveyed or sited purely as a result of pressure groups.
As for the Hamilton Hill one - surely comes under the same consideration as did the Marlow Hill one - a total nonsense.
Switch them all off; then we drivers may watch the road instead of our speedos.
I see that the ACPO have come out in support of these cameras quoting the reduction in accidents as a consideration. Nothing to do with better cars with better controls, better brakes and better visibilty I suppose?
Sadly drivers don't seem to get any better.

wayneo wrote:
"Frances Alexander, a former mayor of High Wycombe, said"“How many children will suffer because of this?

What a stupid man

Man ? A man ? A What ? And an ex-mayor too.

Here's something radical

Lets teach them road safety... let them walk to the nearest crossing of which there are 2 at either end of the Rye..

Okay I know it is out there but heigh - I am feeling rebellious..:))

Maybe but within the SPEED LIMIT.
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Almost every day we read on the BFP website about accidents many that ruin peoples lives.
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Often because of selfish idiots.

sandman73 wrote:

M40 wrote: From Loudwater into Wycombe people continually use the Bus lane passing on the inside of those driving correctly, some are doing approx 50 mph at a time it is to be used by buses, there are many near misses when those coming to the end of the restriction cut back into the nearside legally. Turning off speed cameras is like legalising suicide. We need POLICE along the Loudwater to Wycombe Marsh stretch to deal with these maniacs.

Motorbikes & Push bikes can use this lane legitimately in the restricted times. It does irritate when you get someone driving along there not being able to read the sign! Maybe thats the problem don't put writing on the sign just pretty pictures?

My previous message is a reply to this quote.

The speed camera on London Road is the one, most drivers worry about - a couple of guys I know have said that they were clocked speeding at 33MPH! - so it was not forgiving to say the least - I am sure a lot of drivers will be breathing a sign of relief when it is finally decommissioned, however - it does not mean that area should be used as a drag strip for some petrol heads - we have heard all the talk about budget cuts that the new administration is making - time will tell, when the economy is back in the black - that speed cameras which were decommissioned are put back in service again!

I think the decommissioning of cameras is just temporary - or it could mean more Police patrols and Police with mobile cameras! I am not a fan of Speed cameras at all, however there are unnecessary cameras where they should not be, and places where a camera may act as a deterrent, needs to be situated.

Another rationale is that the decommissioning of these cameras may serve the purpose in a few years time to install state of the art cameras

DonkeyWobbler wrote:
How about we leave the speed cameras, but turn off (put to sleep/cull) people who consistently fail to realise that they only make money if THEY BREAK THE LAW.

Do a search on google and find out how many convictions have been quashed because innacurate cameras, lying cheating staff etc etc,CPS knowing a camera to have a fault, dropping cases that are challenged but leaving the poor sods who don't contest to a fine and penalty points, then you'll realise that your statement is plain wrong.Even the DfT lied about their supposed 'benefits', the real crooks aren't those going over the limit by a few miles, but those who prosecute too.

http://forums.thereg
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2010/07/29/dft_speed
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The stats seem to suggest that the speed camera has resulted in a 100% increase in fatal accidents. Hopefully with it turned off we can expect a reduction in serious accidents.

Indeed...

3 years before the camera = 2 KSI and 20 slights

3 years after the camera = 4 KSI and 18 slights

So that camera was worthwhile then!

It helps show how meaningless many of the statistics are. One bad accident involving 2 full cars with drink/drug drivers could kill 10 in one go. Doesn't make that particular road any more dangerous than any other it might have happened in.

I think awareness and common sense when driving saves more lives than speed cameras. Education of drivers should be encouraged. Some people have a licence but no common sense when on the road. Sometimes it is fine to go faster than the speed limit especially at night when the roads are dead.

Frances Alexandar and Trevor Snaith for once I am in agreement with the correct positioning of a speed camera.Its a major trunk road coming into a town centre and also, out of a town centre.Respect for appropriate speed should be the order of the day.Its a three lane highway, fairly straight and passes by one of the towns jems, that being the Rye.Which along with said school produces a very active pedestrian area.There are many cameras that I would dispute that are just cash cows however I would support the retention of this camera as a safety device for the town

Speed is not always the main factor in accidents, i think the pedestrians play a big part in this to, not just car drivers, how often do you see pedestrians just walk out in the road with out looking?

Even if this camera is near a school, don't always blame the car driver??

It takes 2 to cause an accident sometimes.

totteridge resident wrote:
Be warned

The London Road camera was working this morning so it hasn't been switched off yet!

Having been lucky and never caught by a roadside camera but I thought these particular forward facing ones didn't flash or indicate speed capture like two flashes, someone will no doubt be more familiar but how does "totteridge resident know it is still active.

I'm glad this speed camera is going, I personally think they should all go. If they could develop a camera that could pinpoint careless, thoughtless and oblivious drivers then I think it would be money well spent.

If this stretch of road is so dangerous for pedestrians, then they should install a pedestrian crossing close to where the camera is now, to allow people to cross that stretch of road safely. As far as I know, there's only the zebra crossing by the Pheasant, and the traffic lights up by the car park near the church to allow access to the Rye.

If you want to cross a road as a pedestrian you should be following the green cross code, stop, look and listen! Don't step out and take pot luck with the traffic. Educate your children to do the same. If they can't understand then what business have they got being out near a road full of heavy metal moving objects?

The same goes for those that like to do the same in their vehicles before pulling out of junctions having not checked it's clear both ways. Great examples of this are the mini roundabout at the bottom of Hughenden Avenue, the one by the Beaconsfield Arms and the two junctions as you come up Aston Hill towards Stokenchurch. I am sure there are even better examples. There's certainly a few more up in Downley!

On another note, those people that complain about drivers using the bus lane.. What gets me is how many people can't read! How many people get upset when undertaken along that road, because they are diligently using the outside lane instead of the bus lane at times when the bus lane is accessible to all vehicles and not just buses!

The whole stretch of road from the Rye right down to Loudwater is a complete nightmare, it's badly designed and a traffic trap. Most drivers appear confused (especially as to which lane they should be in approaching the lights by the retail park and Micklefield Road). I've had plenty of people trying to drive into me there.

I see many more accidents in the run up to that junction than I do along the stretch of road by the Rye. The idiot cam would do well down there.

Accidents are caused by drivers not taking care and paying attention whilst driving and not reading signs and being in such a rush to get to their desitination. Driving isn't just about getting from A to B it involves keeping your eye on what the traffic around you is doing, and also what pedestrians and cyclists are doing. It involves multitasking on a massive scale, and seemingly a large proportion of drivers are incapable of this.

Speed doesn't kill but carelessness does. Worrying about going 1mph over the limit and constantly checking your speedo rather than keeping your eyes on the road and what's going on around you is in my mind is more dangerous than going a little fast, if of course you can actually drive, and for the masses that is seemingly a big challenge!

Common sense should prevail on the roads at all times, whether you driving, riding, walking or otherwise. A bit of courtesey wouldn't go a miss. Being aware of what's around you, checking before you decide to pull out and actually indicating that you are going to do so! Making sure you know what lane you should be in and when. Slip road to the motorway, don't sit in the outside lane if the inside lane is clear and there's cars behind you. Motorway, don't sit in the outside or middle lanes because you are too lazy to actually drive down the motorway utilizing the DRIVING lane, which incidentally is what the left hand lane is meant for.

Driving is so stressful today because of the multitude of morons that have somehow managed to pass their driving license (or not as the case may be) and manouvre their cars around in a fashion I wouldn't exactly call driving. There are too many cars on the road and too many people that shouldn't actually be driving them.

Is the reason you always show us the strange angled shot of this camera that you don't want us to see the weed-infested pavement?

We go to the trouble of making excellent floral displays but then don't bother to weed a major adjoining pavement. On a main town entry road!
Come on, guys!

On the matter to hand, it's not a matter of not using a particular speed camera, it's more question of how to stop people from driving fast where they shouldn't. There must be cleverer ways.

Everything is a crude compromise at the moment - to stop people parking we put billions of gallons of yellow paint everywhere on the roads, we put 'speed bumps' on roads that may damage our vehicles and many of which have very faded warning markings on them and consequently are not always easily apparent.

Come on. This is an advanced high tech country. It's high time we came up with better ideas to save us from others and save us from ourselves.

The M25 has the only intelligent speed enforcement. As road conditions change, soshould the speed limit. 4.00a.m should be subject to a higher limit than 4.00p.m, especially near schools. Since we have GPS and the ability to monitor traffic conditions, shouldn't enforcement enter the 21st century

Say it as you see it Little Miss! Respect. ;-)

A tight call but I tend to fall on the side of removal but think there is a need to have a third crossing point at the exit from the Rye. This will in itself reduce speeds. Furthermore I think repeater 30mph signs would help to remind us what we should be doing.

As for careless drivers. We are all guilty and anyone who can say they have never broken the speed limit is probably a liar!

We should get rid of all theses speed cameras as they are yet another TAX on the motorist. If anything they are a hindrance to all motorists so iam in favour of THE BIG CULL........

If Cllr Letheren (at BCC cost) replaced speed camera with a few of the smiley faces cameras along length of London Road it might help to remind people to slow down.

Nice one Little Miss. I take it that you would include speed cameras among the constant distractions on the road.
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But M40, do go to the back of the class. If accidents didn't happen, insurance would not be necessary.
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I'm sure no-one deliberately starts the day with that intention.

Speed cameras only reduce drivers speed along the road where the camera is sited.
Once past the camera many drivers speed up to make up 'lost' time.
This results in a higher speed than the driver would have done, if the camera wasn't there at all.

IMHO the removal of cameras will result in lower average speeds along the whole length of many roads.