VIDEO: 'Powerful' student protest 'undermined' by violence (From Bucks Free Press)

Undermined by violence?????

Hmm, worked for the IRA, worked for Blair when he sent in the tanks, works everytime for the French.

I'm afraid that when people refuse to listen then they get told.

Got no sympathy for the students now.
Hope the ones who caused all the problems get prosecuted and a criminal record which would hinder their chances of getting a decent job to pay back their loans and as for the silly girl on the bbc news this morning who compared these protests to the poll tax riots makes me want to talk some sense into her and live in the real world!

I wonder if a peaceful protest would have made the top of the TV & radio news and every newspaper front page?

Maybe when the media use words like "hijacked" or "undermined", what they really mean is they have *chosen* to highlight the violence of a minority, rather than concentrate on the arguments of the majority.

I heard a few students interviewed on the radio today. The number that seem to start sentences with "to be honest" just makes me wonder!

And of course all the students that went from Bucks Uni were such good little girls and boys. (bull**it).

Whoever started it, the students were always involved (sorry) don't make them look innocent.

Every time i hear the word student now, i think of what spoilt little brats they are.

And as for the unions well, they played a big part in it.

Don't try and hide the evidence.

Since the protest cost millions in damages and police time, I think the student tuition fees should be further increased to cover the losses - why should I as a tax payer have to keep stumping up? If you can't protest peacefully, then you should at least cover the cost of your actions.

miccles wrote:
And of course all the students that went from Bucks Uni were such good little girls and boys. (bull**it).

Whoever started it, the students were always involved (sorry) don't make them look innocent.

Every time i hear the word student now, i think of what spoilt little brats they are.

And as for the unions well, they played a big part in it.

Don't try and hide the evidence.

Dicto simpliciter - your sweeping generalisations of students only highlight your narrow mindedness and your jaded view of this situation.

If you want to mention 'evidence' i think that you should do yourself the favour and actually look at the facts - and not base your opinions on limited sources.

It is unfortunate that people are willing to allow themselves to be so ill-informed.

Why was it acceptable for taxpayers in previous generations to pay for Higher Education, but not anymore? In the face of the cuts, why should students be forced to pay so much more for what will inevitably be less?

I have sympathy for the students and the increase in the cap on tuition fees, however the taxpayer didn't always pay for higher education, but did help those from less well off backgrounds. When I did a degree I got a grant based on a means test of my parents ability to contribute. That was expected to cover tuition fees and living costs and I used up all my savings in completing the course. The families of students from more affluent backgrounds had reduced grants or none at all. Overspend and it was overdraft or loans. I even remember a NUS protest suggesting that overseas students should not pay full tuition fees! There should be a cap, and in the current climate the increase is excessive, and that is where some negotiation ought to be directed.

As for yesterday's protest, I the taxpayer am prepared to pay for policing peaceful protests, but as an insurance payer should not be expected to pay for criminal damage at protests that turn violent by increased premiums. The organizers of such an event should in some part be responsible for the behaviour of those attending, and payment for damage should be the responsibilty of those successfully prosecuted and the organising body. The violence has certainly not helped the student's cause to which, as I said, I am to a large extent sympathetic.

tobmiz wrote:

miccles wrote: And of course all the students that went from Bucks Uni were such good little girls and boys. (bull**it). Whoever started it, the students were always involved (sorry) don't make them look innocent. Every time i hear the word student now, i think of what spoilt little brats they are. And as for the unions well, they played a big part in it. Don't try and hide the evidence.

Dicto simpliciter - your sweeping generalisations of students only highlight your narrow mindedness and your jaded view of this situation. If you want to mention 'evidence' i think that you should do yourself the favour and actually look at the facts - and not base your opinions on limited sources. It is unfortunate that people are willing to allow themselves to be so ill-informed.

So please tell me clever clogs, "What are the facts"?????????


And what "limited sources have i based my opinions on"????????????

purple_lemur wrote:
Why was it acceptable for taxpayers in previous generations to pay for Higher Education, but not anymore? In the face of the cuts, why should students be forced to pay so much more for what will inevitably be less?

Because previous generations didn't have this ridiculous notion that a third of young people need to go to university.

miccles wrote:

tobmiz wrote:

miccles wrote: And of course all the students that went from Bucks Uni were such good little girls and boys. (bull**it). Whoever started it, the students were always involved (sorry) don't make them look innocent. Every time i hear the word student now, i think of what spoilt little brats they are. And as for the unions well, they played a big part in it. Don't try and hide the evidence.

Dicto simpliciter - your sweeping generalisations of students only highlight your narrow mindedness and your jaded view of this situation. If you want to mention 'evidence' i think that you should do yourself the favour and actually look at the facts - and not base your opinions on limited sources. It is unfortunate that people are willing to allow themselves to be so ill-informed.

So please tell me clever clogs, "What are the facts"?????????


And what "limited sources have i based my opinions on"????????????

You can't tar every student with the same brush.

Did you not stop to look at the thousands of other students who were there for a peaceful protest?

Maybe the Media should have reported the whole march instead of concentrating on the violence.

What a great video and I for one am glad to see that the young people of our country uniting and protesting against something that they feel sorry about.

That demo was ruined by a MINORITY of people that were not even students.
I think that generalising like certain people have, says more about them than it does about the students.

The vast majority of students are people that simply want to improve themselves - just like the rest of us.

We need to ensure that sufficient numbers of them can. We need them to do it for our own sakes.

shame about the violence

but why should I subsidise higher education - especially in pointless subjects that dont help get a job!

i couldnt afford to go to uni, so got a job and studied part time- because of this, I had to pay full fees !

if these students go to uni to get a degree to get a better job, that gives them better income, then yes they should pay for it!
it might put off some off the more pointless subjects and students who go with no particular aim in mind

stand back, light touch paper

readerabc wrote:
shame about the violence

but why should I subsidise higher education - especially in pointless subjects that dont help get a job!

i couldnt afford to go to uni, so got a job and studied part time- because of this, I had to pay full fees !

if these students go to uni to get a degree to get a better job, that gives them better income, then yes they should pay for it!
it might put off some off the more pointless subjects and students who go with no particular aim in mind

stand back, light touch paper

Just out of interest, in your opinion which are the pointless subjects and why don't they help you get a job?

Isn't it strange, since these children screamed "i want i want" the other day, all of a sudden all these new names appear on here.

Children you should be studying, not gloating.

readerabc wrote:
shame about the violence but why should I subsidise higher education - especially in pointless subjects that dont help get a job! i couldnt afford to go to uni, so got a job and studied part time- because of this, I had to pay full fees ! if these students go to uni to get a degree to get a better job, that gives them better income, then yes they should pay for it! it might put off some off the more pointless subjects and students who go with no particular aim in mind stand back, light touch paper

They do pay for it... the more you earn, the more tax you pay (until you earn enough to be able to avoid it).
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Education should be free.

tom.marlow wrote:

readerabc wrote: shame about the violence but why should I subsidise higher education - especially in pointless subjects that dont help get a job! i couldnt afford to go to uni, so got a job and studied part time- because of this, I had to pay full fees ! if these students go to uni to get a degree to get a better job, that gives them better income, then yes they should pay for it! it might put off some off the more pointless subjects and students who go with no particular aim in mind stand back, light touch paper

They do pay for it... the more you earn, the more tax you pay (until you earn enough to be able to avoid it). . Education should be free.

Nothing is free in life.

I could say my council tax should be free, its the same thing.


Most students only go to uni to get out of going to work,

miccles wrote:

tom.marlow wrote:

readerabc wrote: shame about the violence but why should I subsidise higher education - especially in pointless subjects that dont help get a job! i couldnt afford to go to uni, so got a job and studied part time- because of this, I had to pay full fees ! if these students go to uni to get a degree to get a better job, that gives them better income, then yes they should pay for it! it might put off some off the more pointless subjects and students who go with no particular aim in mind stand back, light touch paper

They do pay for it... the more you earn, the more tax you pay (until you earn enough to be able to avoid it). . Education should be free.

Nothing is free in life.

I could say my council tax should be free, its the same thing.


Most students only go to uni to get out of going to work,

'Most students only go to uni to get out of going to work.' Do you seriously think that? That's really sad.

As a tax payer I am willing to pay for Higher Education, it's value to society is untold, from curing disease to social mobilisation.

A lot of new students are over the age of 25 because there are no jobs! Why not let them stay in education rather than signing on?

As a tax payer, I am however not willing to pay to bail out banks, who caused the recession, and continue to pay their bankers huge bonuses.

Nor am I willing to pay for wars or duck houses.

miccles wrote:

tom.marlow wrote:

readerabc wrote: shame about the violence but why should I subsidise higher education - especially in pointless subjects that dont help get a job! i couldnt afford to go to uni, so got a job and studied part time- because of this, I had to pay full fees ! if these students go to uni to get a degree to get a better job, that gives them better income, then yes they should pay for it! it might put off some off the more pointless subjects and students who go with no particular aim in mind stand back, light touch paper

They do pay for it... the more you earn, the more tax you pay (until you earn enough to be able to avoid it). . Education should be free.

Nothing is free in life. I could say my council tax should be free, its the same thing. Most students only go to uni to get out of going to work,

I suspect that your view is shared only by those who were to f***ing lazy to work at school and hence didn't stand a chance of getting anywhere near a university.
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Fortunately there are plenty of us who care enough about society that we are prepared to put the time and effort into educating ourselves to provide a decent life for everyone.
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Just remember, your fat clogged coronary arteries are cleaned up by someone who has spent 7 years qualifying and god knows how more time and effort training beyond that..
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Your 50 inch plasma TV has been designed by a whole team of electronics graduates and a whole bunch more have devloped the manufacturing process so you can buy it at a reasonable price.
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And just reflect, that while you are watching X Factor and accumulating more fat in your coronary arteries, the production team almost certainly included a number of media studies graduates, all using the skills they acquired to keep you entertained.
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And paying the taxes that will fund your and my pensions and health care as we get old.

I think civil disobedience really sends the message home that tripling student fees is not a very good way to reduce the deficit.
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Especially when Cameron tells Chinese students (from rich Chinese families) that their overseas student fees will not go up as much because UK students will be paying more.
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When the cuts start hitting the vulnerable, the disabled and the unemployed, I predict we will see more civil disobedience.
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It is simply not fair to expect the less well off people in society to bear the brunt of illegal acts of bankers who over extended and then expect the taxpayer to pick up the pieces.
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Remember - None of us are in this together!

TOM (from Marlow)!!!!!

Huge round of applause for possibly the post of the decade!

OnearmJack seems to have hit the nail on the head.
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,education" morons in the previous government who aspired to 50% of students going to "University" obviously didn't evaluate the concept.
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Now we have those lecturers of Goldsmiths, blithely harvesting the Elysium Fields of Academia, supporting the violence which occurred. After all they may be out of work shortly; hopefully. I'd hate to think that anyone with such moral judgement was teaching my child.
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Given the option, would not everyone opt for a 20 year non contributory "education" with the perceived qualification of a "Degree", albeit in Newcastle United or The Beatles, allowing them to retire with a pension at 50?
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Well we don't all live in wonderland, though one can't blame the kids for reacting badly to their expectations being thwarted. Violently????
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Then again they haven't yet had to pay for it. I have, never went to University, and though retired for many years continue to pay for the "education" of others.
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Where can I demonstrate?

I would just like to say that I would have liked to have come on the demonstration, but I was far too busy working for a living!

demoness wrote:
TOM (from Marlow)!!!!!

Huge round of applause for possibly the post of the decade!

I must admit I was also smiling when I read this!

deecee01 wrote:

demoness wrote:
TOM (from Marlow)!!!!!

Huge round of applause for possibly the post of the decade!

I must admit I was also smiling when I read this!

Complete kickarse post!

I don't think Anybody can argue we don't need taxes
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Perhaps some of the important purposes for tax are to level out the inevitable worst inequalities that occur in a society and to also encourage the good things and discourage the bad things that can happen where people are involved in living together in a civilized way.
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The arguments seem to happen around how much tax , who is it taken from , who gets the proceeds , when do they get it and why.
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This is where our stupid or thoughtless politicians usually make a mess of things - depending on whether you agree with them or not on the how much , who gives , who takes and for what reasons
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After endless debate , there still is no 'Answer'. It will always be so until 'the system' changes - perhaps to something even worse. Like in the Good Old Days or in a Brave New World for instance.

What a disgrace this Lib Dem u-turn is. I hope we put up candidates against all the local Lib Dem councillors in Wycombe next May, so we can kick them out.