Wycombe Museum set to be sold off by council

WYCOMBE Museum is set to be sold off and its collection moved into displays at the council offices in Queen Victoria Street.

This is despite the Priory Road attraction enjoying a surge in admissions, with 46,000 visitors last year.

Bosses at Wycombe District Council say the museum is costing too much to run – at £385,000 per year – and the building needs expensive work to make it compliant with disability laws.

A small extension to the council headquarters would be built to accommodate the collection, with a charitable trust set up to run it. Council chiefs have accepted the plans 'in principle'.

When asked if the public would be consulted over the move, the Conservative-controlled council said it held a budget consultation in 2009, in which the museum was the fourth most popular choice for a spending cut.

The museum has been housed in the picturesque listed building, Castle Hill House, since 1962. It holds an "irreplaceable collection of unique objects that define the heritage of Wycombe", including a fine furniture collection.

Sale of Castle Hill House is expected to fetch more than £750,000, which is the sum needed to fund the move to the council offices.

Though entry to the museum is free it generates an income of more than £30,000 a year, while visitor numbers have nearly doubled since 2006.

Members of High Wycombe Society have differing views on the move, but president Stuart King said: "I think it's a retrograde step for the council to sell our assets, as it did with Bassetsbury Manor.

"It's short-termism and I don't believe in selling our heritage to the private sector."

He would like to see the furniture collection and historical exibits split between Castle Hill House and the old library in the town centre.

Councillor Trevor Snaith, the leader of Wycombe Liberal Democrats, has called for the cabinet to reconsider the plans. He also thinks moving the facility into the old library, opposite the council building, would be a better option.

The empty former library is owned by Buckinghamshire County and Cllr Snaith believes it could be brought back into use and “reinvigorate” the town centre.

But Tory councillors last week rejected a bid to for the plans to be reviewed. They pointed to a report which said the old library would not be suitable, as it could not house a shop or a cafe, and does not have a lift to access the upper floors.

Council spokesman Catharine Spalton said: “It was concluded that the council offices at Queen Victoria Road, with a modest extension, would offer the best accessible site for Wycombe Museum.

“A move to a charitable trust, another recommendation by the working party, will realise significant savings to the museum’s operating costs, without decreasing the level of service.

“This will be achieved because a charitable trust is more tax efficient and is able to fundraise more easily - there are currently limitations on fundraising as part of a local authority.”

Another Wycombe Society member, Chris Woodman, said he agreed with the council's plans. He said: "The current site is not big enough or compliant with the requirements of disabled people."

He said he had been convinced the old library site would not work, adding that museum staff felt the council building was the best option.

However, he said the society should have been consulted over the decision.

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2:49pm Wed 24 Aug 11

dtap says...

How sad.
How sad. dtap

3:11pm Wed 24 Aug 11

geoffW says...

"... build an extension to the council headquartes."
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That's £150,000 to some architect mate of a councilor then.
"... build an extension to the council headquartes." . That's £150,000 to some architect mate of a councilor then. geoffW

3:22pm Wed 24 Aug 11

miccles says...

"Councillor Trevor Snaith, the leader of Wycombe Liberal Democrats, has called for the cabinet to reconsider the plans. He thinks moving the facility into the old library, opposite the council building, would be a better option."

This would be a good idea, tis building is standing empty, and costing money at the same time, if Wycombe had it as the library, then Wycombe can have it as a museum.

If WDC are that cash strapped, then cut back on the plans for the new sports centre, dont make it quite so elabirate, this is Wycombe's past and history.

Better still, the money WDC are wasting injecting into HS2, with draw from that, that would save some more money.
"Councillor Trevor Snaith, the leader of Wycombe Liberal Democrats, has called for the cabinet to reconsider the plans. He thinks moving the facility into the old library, opposite the council building, would be a better option." This would be a good idea, tis building is standing empty, and costing money at the same time, if Wycombe had it as the library, then Wycombe can have it as a museum. If WDC are that cash strapped, then cut back on the plans for the new sports centre, dont make it quite so elabirate, this is Wycombe's past and history. Better still, the money WDC are wasting injecting into HS2, with draw from that, that would save some more money. miccles

4:11pm Wed 24 Aug 11

The Boss Man says...

miccles wrote:
"Councillor Trevor Snaith, the leader of Wycombe Liberal Democrats, has called for the cabinet to reconsider the plans. He thinks moving the facility into the old library, opposite the council building, would be a better option." This would be a good idea, tis building is standing empty, and costing money at the same time, if Wycombe had it as the library, then Wycombe can have it as a museum. If WDC are that cash strapped, then cut back on the plans for the new sports centre, dont make it quite so elabirate, this is Wycombe's past and history. Better still, the money WDC are wasting injecting into HS2, with draw from that, that would save some more money.
What money is WDC putting into HS2?
[quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote: "Councillor Trevor Snaith, the leader of Wycombe Liberal Democrats, has called for the cabinet to reconsider the plans. He thinks moving the facility into the old library, opposite the council building, would be a better option." This would be a good idea, tis building is standing empty, and costing money at the same time, if Wycombe had it as the library, then Wycombe can have it as a museum. If WDC are that cash strapped, then cut back on the plans for the new sports centre, dont make it quite so elabirate, this is Wycombe's past and history. Better still, the money WDC are wasting injecting into HS2, with draw from that, that would save some more money.[/p][/quote]What money is WDC putting into HS2? The Boss Man

4:50pm Wed 24 Aug 11

J B Blackett says...

This cannot be allowed to happen. All the voluntary work and effort a lot of local people over the years have put into that historic building to be tossed aside by two-bit short-sighted inept politicians - who misspend money like water on a 'stadium' survey and other silly ego-tripping ideas.
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This is Wycombe's heritage and history held for all of us in a historic place in the centre of the town. Not to be secreted away in the bowels of the horrible council offices. And for the enjoyment and education of who ?
Not the Wycombe and District and other citizens , I'll bet.
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This is almost worse news than when the dreaded stadium / 'village' plans were announced by the Clarke gang. Plus others who don't live in Wycombe
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What's the matter with these people ? Do they hate everybody except their little pals and their own little patches ? Something fishy going on , yet again ?
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We appear to be 'rule over' by people who don't give a jot about Wycombe and its long and honorable history. Either that or they are just blithering uncaring idiots (or worse)
This cannot be allowed to happen. All the voluntary work and effort a lot of local people over the years have put into that historic building to be tossed aside by two-bit short-sighted inept politicians - who misspend money like water on a 'stadium' survey and other silly ego-tripping ideas. . This is Wycombe's heritage and history held for all of us in a historic place in the centre of the town. Not to be secreted away in the bowels of the horrible council offices. And for the enjoyment and education of who ? Not the Wycombe and District and other citizens , I'll bet. . This is almost worse news than when the dreaded stadium / 'village' plans were announced by the Clarke gang. Plus others who don't live in Wycombe . What's the matter with these people ? Do they hate everybody except their little pals and their own little patches ? Something fishy going on , yet again ? . We appear to be 'rule over' by people who don't give a jot about Wycombe and its long and honorable history. Either that or they are just blithering uncaring idiots (or worse) J B Blackett

5:17pm Wed 24 Aug 11

chris740 says...

make clarke pay back all the money she wasted. then there will be plenty to go around
make clarke pay back all the money she wasted. then there will be plenty to go around chris740

7:05pm Wed 24 Aug 11

ivor says...

The closure of the museum at its current historic location would mark a dark day for Wycombe.
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The very history of our town in under threat indeed this can not be allowed to happen.
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Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page.
The closure of the museum at its current historic location would mark a dark day for Wycombe. ~ The very history of our town in under threat indeed this can not be allowed to happen. ~ Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page. ivor

8:23pm Wed 24 Aug 11

chairboy2 says...

lets hope the council cant get planning for there extension....oh i forgot they can do what they want.
lets hope the council cant get planning for there extension....oh i forgot they can do what they want. chairboy2

1:06am Thu 25 Aug 11

tigeran says...

Get rid of 3 or 4 families who sponge off of benefits. This museum is worth 100 times what they are.
Get rid of 3 or 4 families who sponge off of benefits. This museum is worth 100 times what they are. tigeran

5:50am Thu 25 Aug 11

meatfeast says...

dtap wrote:
How sad.
Maybe the council should stop giving housing to non uk immigrants willy nilly.Also stop wasting money on silly projects,example the water display in frogmoor that lasted - what 5 mins.In other words put the funds to better uses like this-Over ''Examples''
[quote][p][bold]dtap[/bold] wrote: How sad.[/p][/quote]Maybe the council should stop giving housing to non uk immigrants willy nilly.Also stop wasting money on silly projects,example the water display in frogmoor that lasted - what 5 mins.In other words put the funds to better uses like this-Over ''Examples'' meatfeast

7:34am Thu 25 Aug 11

Verdamus says...

Sell off the museum? I suppose this includes the Norman motte and bailey remains!
In 1952 High Wycombe Borough Council built a swimming pool on the remains of a Roman Villa. Now there seems to be no concern about the castle. This is more important than being able to show the Wycombe District artefacts to best effect.
Sell off the museum? I suppose this includes the Norman motte and bailey remains! In 1952 High Wycombe Borough Council built a swimming pool on the remains of a Roman Villa. Now there seems to be no concern about the castle. This is more important than being able to show the Wycombe District artefacts to best effect. Verdamus

8:00am Thu 25 Aug 11

Plus ça change... says...

Ivor, building blog!!!

What was this building before it was a museum?

I always thought the building looked a bit 'seasidy', except for the sea in front there is a huge 'gurt' railway line with huge 'gurt' walls that the pharoahs would have been proud of.

Its contents can be presented anywhere.

Maybe centrally somewhere in town is better - near a picnic area.

Not the Old Library though.

Is the Old Library the 'new' Frogmoor?

And Frogmoor isn't a square, it's a triangle.

PS: Is there no space in the new library?

A museum doesn't have to be in an old building...
Ivor, building blog!!! What was this building before it was a museum? I always thought the building looked a bit 'seasidy', except for the sea in front there is a huge 'gurt' railway line with huge 'gurt' walls that the pharoahs would have been proud of. Its contents can be presented anywhere. Maybe centrally somewhere in town is better - near a picnic area. Not the Old Library though. Is the Old Library the 'new' Frogmoor? And Frogmoor isn't a square, it's a triangle. PS: Is there no space in the new library? A museum doesn't have to be in an old building... Plus ça change...

8:07am Thu 25 Aug 11

Plus ça change... says...

What about the railway station boulevard?
What about the railway station boulevard? Plus ça change...

9:01am Thu 25 Aug 11

crewcutandnewt says...

The museum is one of the few attractive spaces in centre of Wycombe, it's tranquil, pleasant and provides a bit of green space, culture and activities to the residents, a plus that most of them are free.

Who would visit an annex in the Council offices? The old library site must be one of the most depressing places on earth (second only to the Post Office sorting office opposite).

Let's be honest, if it moves there, the only people who will visit it will be chair history obssessives and winos seeking a warm spot. Visitor numbers will dwindle and there will be some pseudo-consultation and in a year or so's time, guess what? it will close...perhaps that's the Council's game-plan all along.

Seems to me the Council are hell-bent on getting rid of any community facility and anything vaguely original and all we'll be left with is a choice between Rich Wycombe and Poor Wycombe, between an indentikit designer shopping mall and sports centre (maybe) for the cash rich and a High Street that alternates between empty shop fronts, Pound shops, betting shops and pawnbrokers.

Wake up Wycombe Council. This is so not the way to rejuvinate the town. Think instead about supporting the staff and volunteers at the museum who have worked so hard to provide additional activities and to make it a nice place.

If the museum is making 30k a year, that's probaby a **** sight more than many of your departments. Build on it. Downsize the council offices that nobody sees and sell of that dusty monstrosity that used to be a library (OK I know it's BCC, but you get my point).

Museums not mothballs.

Somebody should start a petition.
The museum is one of the few attractive spaces in centre of Wycombe, it's tranquil, pleasant and provides a bit of green space, culture and activities to the residents, a plus that most of them are free. Who would visit an annex in the Council offices? The old library site must be one of the most depressing places on earth (second only to the Post Office sorting office opposite). Let's be honest, if it moves there, the only people who will visit it will be chair history obssessives and winos seeking a warm spot. Visitor numbers will dwindle and there will be some pseudo-consultation and in a year or so's time, guess what? it will close...perhaps that's the Council's game-plan all along. Seems to me the Council are hell-bent on getting rid of any community facility and anything vaguely original and all we'll be left with is a choice between Rich Wycombe and Poor Wycombe, between an indentikit designer shopping mall and sports centre (maybe) for the cash rich and a High Street that alternates between empty shop fronts, Pound shops, betting shops and pawnbrokers. Wake up Wycombe Council. This is so not the way to rejuvinate the town. Think instead about supporting the staff and volunteers at the museum who have worked so hard to provide additional activities and to make it a nice place. If the museum is making 30k a year, that's probaby a **** sight more than many of your departments. Build on it. Downsize the council offices that nobody sees and sell of that dusty monstrosity that used to be a library (OK I know it's BCC, but you get my point). Museums not mothballs. Somebody should start a petition. crewcutandnewt

9:26am Thu 25 Aug 11

Mutley says...

If the museum site were to be sold (and I am against its sale and the move of the museum), would there be planning restrictions as to what the site could be used for? It's one thing if it could be converted for community or health use or even offices (such as a firm of architects) and retain the green space, but if it is being sold as development land (eg for more flats!) then £750,000 seems remarkably cheap for such a large and well-positioned site. I say keep it as a long-term investment.
If the museum site were to be sold (and I am against its sale and the move of the museum), would there be planning restrictions as to what the site could be used for? It's one thing if it could be converted for community or health use or even offices (such as a firm of architects) and retain the green space, but if it is being sold as development land (eg for more flats!) then £750,000 seems remarkably cheap for such a large and well-positioned site. I say keep it as a long-term investment. Mutley

9:30am Thu 25 Aug 11

crewcutandnewt says...

OK, I am sure there are more adept (or just more active) activists than me, but I've started a petition.

http://www.ipetition
s.com/petition/savew
ycombemuseum/thank-y
ou

Please sign it.
OK, I am sure there are more adept (or just more active) activists than me, but I've started a petition. http://www.ipetition s.com/petition/savew ycombemuseum/thank-y ou Please sign it. crewcutandnewt

10:04am Thu 25 Aug 11

smuggles says...

crewcutandnewt wrote:
OK, I am sure there are more adept (or just more active) activists than me, but I've started a petition. http://www.ipetition s.com/petition/savew ycombemuseum/thank-y ou Please sign it.
No thanks.

PS. Generating an income of £30k per yer does not mean making £30k profit.
[quote][p][bold]crewcutandnewt[/bold] wrote: OK, I am sure there are more adept (or just more active) activists than me, but I've started a petition. http://www.ipetition s.com/petition/savew ycombemuseum/thank-y ou Please sign it.[/p][/quote]No thanks. PS. Generating an income of £30k per yer does not mean making £30k profit. smuggles

12:31pm Thu 25 Aug 11

wayneo says...

In other words they want to create a public uproar in order that they then charge an entrance fee as a compromise. I think that would be a good compromise however we must also remember Pickles' diktat that Councils must make their assets pay or get rid. I'm starting to wonder what is Conservative about the Conservative party.
In other words they want to create a public uproar in order that they then charge an entrance fee as a compromise. I think that would be a good compromise however we must also remember Pickles' diktat that Councils must make their assets pay or get rid. I'm starting to wonder what is Conservative about the Conservative party. wayneo

12:32pm Thu 25 Aug 11

Catflap says...

can't the money being spent to build an extension be used to modernise the Library with a lift and cafe. What will happen to the stone horse trough that stands at the entrance of the museum. Also my kids use to spend hours each holiday doing the treasure hunts around the house and grounds. can't see them doing that with this new building.
can't the money being spent to build an extension be used to modernise the Library with a lift and cafe. What will happen to the stone horse trough that stands at the entrance of the museum. Also my kids use to spend hours each holiday doing the treasure hunts around the house and grounds. can't see them doing that with this new building. Catflap

3:55pm Thu 25 Aug 11

sai-diva says...

One by one the good things about my town are being sold off or decimated by this callous hard hearted council,a council that thinks nothing of wasting £500k on a no hope business scheme, but wont spend a penny to preserve an important part of Wycombe's culture.The wealth of a town is about more than money and shopping centres.I despair I really do, shame on you all,
One by one the good things about my town are being sold off or decimated by this callous hard hearted council,a council that thinks nothing of wasting £500k on a no hope business scheme, but wont spend a penny to preserve an important part of Wycombe's culture.The wealth of a town is about more than money and shopping centres.I despair I really do, shame on you all, sai-diva

4:51pm Thu 25 Aug 11

J B Blackett says...

sai-diva wrote:
One by one the good things about my town are being sold off or decimated by this callous hard hearted council,a council that thinks nothing of wasting £500k on a no hope business scheme, but wont spend a penny to preserve an important part of Wycombe's culture.The wealth of a town is about more than money and shopping centres.I despair I really do, shame on you all,
Please do not include the general Wycombe (and District) population in that cry of 'shame on you all' , s-d.
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It is the gangs of venal local politicians who run things in this area - if not corrupt they are totally self-absorbed and uncaring of the town and all its heritage.
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But ordinary people are not allowed to get involved unless you join (as a low-life crony) one of their nasty horrible little gangs. It's called 'Gang Culture', I believe and they attack each other and any innocent bystanders who get in their way as well.
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How did we end up with people like this poisonous mixture of inept money-grubbing ill-educated gangster-associated scoundrels and blithering idiots dictating to us ? Don't blame the innocent public , please. Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]sai-diva[/bold] wrote: One by one the good things about my town are being sold off or decimated by this callous hard hearted council,a council that thinks nothing of wasting £500k on a no hope business scheme, but wont spend a penny to preserve an important part of Wycombe's culture.The wealth of a town is about more than money and shopping centres.I despair I really do, shame on you all,[/p][/quote]Please do not include the general Wycombe (and District) population in that cry of 'shame on you all' , s-d. . It is the gangs of venal local politicians who run things in this area - if not corrupt they are totally self-absorbed and uncaring of the town and all its heritage. . But ordinary people are not allowed to get involved unless you join (as a low-life crony) one of their nasty horrible little gangs. It's called 'Gang Culture', I believe and they attack each other and any innocent bystanders who get in their way as well. . How did we end up with people like this poisonous mixture of inept money-grubbing ill-educated gangster-associated scoundrels and blithering idiots dictating to us ? Don't blame the innocent public , please. Thank you. J B Blackett

7:41pm Thu 25 Aug 11

Veritad Veritad says...

The museum is not being sold off, it's being moved. Sensational and inaccurate headline by the BFP again
The museum is not being sold off, it's being moved. Sensational and inaccurate headline by the BFP again Veritad Veritad

9:03pm Thu 25 Aug 11

mickleman says...

Another town asset being sold off, but I'm not sure what benefit selling off is to any prosepective purchaser when my understanding is that it is a listed building on a site identified as a scheduled ancient monument, and surely then precludes development. If those two statements are correct then, come on council lets have some inventive thinking on ways to give us continued community use of and access to the site retaining the museum there. A towns identity is as much about its past as it is its present and future. The rate the council is going it won't be long before we have, largely speaking, no visual remains of our history except for churches
Another town asset being sold off, but I'm not sure what benefit selling off is to any prosepective purchaser when my understanding is that it is a listed building on a site identified as a scheduled ancient monument, and surely then precludes development. If those two statements are correct then, come on council lets have some inventive thinking on ways to give us continued community use of and access to the site retaining the museum there. A towns identity is as much about its past as it is its present and future. The rate the council is going it won't be long before we have, largely speaking, no visual remains of our history except for churches mickleman

9:54pm Thu 25 Aug 11

wayneo says...

Veritad Veritad wrote:
The museum is not being sold off, it's being moved. Sensational and inaccurate headline by the BFP again
The Museum is being moved and the building from which it is being moved is being sold off, better?
[quote][p][bold]Veritad Veritad[/bold] wrote: The museum is not being sold off, it's being moved. Sensational and inaccurate headline by the BFP again[/p][/quote]The Museum is being moved and the building from which it is being moved is being sold off, better? wayneo

7:06am Fri 26 Aug 11

ThePolice says...

ivor wrote:
The closure of the museum at its current historic location would mark a dark day for Wycombe.
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The very history of our town in under threat indeed this can not be allowed to happen.
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Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page.
No I have not read your blog.

Get a life.
[quote][p][bold]ivor[/bold] wrote: The closure of the museum at its current historic location would mark a dark day for Wycombe. ~ The very history of our town in under threat indeed this can not be allowed to happen. ~ Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page.[/p][/quote]No I have not read your blog. Get a life. ThePolice

10:07am Fri 26 Aug 11

ImpeturbableLawrence says...

Am I a wise, far-sighted, deep-thinking individual or what?
On 10th August Cllr Katrina Wood, Wycombe District Council’s Cabinet ‘Member for Community’ wrote to the BFP saying she was ‘delighted’ to read a letter from a local person in the BFP expressing pleasure at their enjoyment of Wycombe Museum.
She touched the ‘family, children/schools’ buttons saying the museum was ‘... a great asset for Wycombe families and a fabulous place to visit during the summer holidays’ and continued, ‘We want to maintain and secure the museum’s long term future in the district and so in the coming months, we’ll be sharing our plans to provide a museum service that’s fit for purpose for generations to come’.
I was the first person to comment on this and I said,
This is a bit scary - when Conservatives talk this way it usually means loss-making privatisation followed by the complete loss of whatever is being made 'fit for purpose in the modern world' or 'the 21st century'. We will know they are going to sell it and build on the land if there is a ‘consultation process’.

I repeat - am I a wise, far-sighted, deep-thinking individual or what?
Am I a wise, far-sighted, deep-thinking individual or what? On 10th August Cllr Katrina Wood, Wycombe District Council’s Cabinet ‘Member for Community’ wrote to the BFP saying she was ‘delighted’ to read a letter from a local person in the BFP expressing pleasure at their enjoyment of Wycombe Museum. She touched the ‘family, children/schools’ buttons saying the museum was ‘... a great asset for Wycombe families and a fabulous place to visit during the summer holidays’ and continued, ‘We want to maintain and secure the museum’s long term future in the district and so in the coming months, we’ll be sharing our plans to provide a museum service that’s fit for purpose for generations to come’. I was the first person to comment on this and I said, This is a bit scary - when Conservatives talk this way it usually means loss-making privatisation followed by the complete loss of whatever is being made 'fit for purpose in the modern world' or 'the 21st century'. We will know they are going to sell it and build on the land if there is a ‘consultation process’. I repeat - am I a wise, far-sighted, deep-thinking individual or what? ImpeturbableLawrence

10:20am Fri 26 Aug 11

Procopius! says...

ImpeturbableLawrence wrote:
Am I a wise, far-sighted, deep-thinking individual or what? On 10th August Cllr Katrina Wood, Wycombe District Council’s Cabinet ‘Member for Community’ wrote to the BFP saying she was ‘delighted’ to read a letter from a local person in the BFP expressing pleasure at their enjoyment of Wycombe Museum. She touched the ‘family, children/schools’ buttons saying the museum was ‘... a great asset for Wycombe families and a fabulous place to visit during the summer holidays’ and continued, ‘We want to maintain and secure the museum’s long term future in the district and so in the coming months, we’ll be sharing our plans to provide a museum service that’s fit for purpose for generations to come’. I was the first person to comment on this and I said, This is a bit scary - when Conservatives talk this way it usually means loss-making privatisation followed by the complete loss of whatever is being made 'fit for purpose in the modern world' or 'the 21st century'. We will know they are going to sell it and build on the land if there is a ‘consultation process’. I repeat - am I a wise, far-sighted, deep-thinking individual or what?
What?
[quote][p][bold]ImpeturbableLawrence[/bold] wrote: Am I a wise, far-sighted, deep-thinking individual or what? On 10th August Cllr Katrina Wood, Wycombe District Council’s Cabinet ‘Member for Community’ wrote to the BFP saying she was ‘delighted’ to read a letter from a local person in the BFP expressing pleasure at their enjoyment of Wycombe Museum. She touched the ‘family, children/schools’ buttons saying the museum was ‘... a great asset for Wycombe families and a fabulous place to visit during the summer holidays’ and continued, ‘We want to maintain and secure the museum’s long term future in the district and so in the coming months, we’ll be sharing our plans to provide a museum service that’s fit for purpose for generations to come’. I was the first person to comment on this and I said, This is a bit scary - when Conservatives talk this way it usually means loss-making privatisation followed by the complete loss of whatever is being made 'fit for purpose in the modern world' or 'the 21st century'. We will know they are going to sell it and build on the land if there is a ‘consultation process’. I repeat - am I a wise, far-sighted, deep-thinking individual or what?[/p][/quote]What? Procopius!

2:46pm Fri 26 Aug 11

ImpeturbableLawrence says...

Procopius - why - or didn't you understand my question - is that why you left the question mark?
Procopius - why - or didn't you understand my question - is that why you left the question mark? ImpeturbableLawrence

3:41pm Fri 26 Aug 11

crabby says...

Yet another facilty resource being disposed of.

Given that the museum has far more art and artifacts in store than on display both in the current buidings on the site and in off-site storage in Marlow and Wycombe I cannot see how any small extension on the council offices will accomodate these.

Visitors to the new proposed site will drop to an all time low making it hard to justify keeping it open and what provision will be made for the educational facilty for schools to replace the newish build education room on the current site.

Moving to the old library building would make much more sense using an existing unused building with a central location and partitions could be used to create a shop area and cafe if deemed so essential, the current cafe is little more than some seating and a hot drinks machine so this seems a weak argument for not using the library site.

Keeping the displays to the Ground Floor used properly would allow for as much display space as currently available and would allow for disabled access with the First Floor being offices, storage and work areas. Saving the money currently spent on off-site storage.
Yet another facilty resource being disposed of. Given that the museum has far more art and artifacts in store than on display both in the current buidings on the site and in off-site storage in Marlow and Wycombe I cannot see how any small extension on the council offices will accomodate these. Visitors to the new proposed site will drop to an all time low making it hard to justify keeping it open and what provision will be made for the educational facilty for schools to replace the newish build education room on the current site. Moving to the old library building would make much more sense using an existing unused building with a central location and partitions could be used to create a shop area and cafe if deemed so essential, the current cafe is little more than some seating and a hot drinks machine so this seems a weak argument for not using the library site. Keeping the displays to the Ground Floor used properly would allow for as much display space as currently available and would allow for disabled access with the First Floor being offices, storage and work areas. Saving the money currently spent on off-site storage. crabby

3:54pm Fri 26 Aug 11

sai-diva says...

J B Blackett wrote:
sai-diva wrote:
One by one the good things about my town are being sold off or decimated by this callous hard hearted council,a council that thinks nothing of wasting £500k on a no hope business scheme, but wont spend a penny to preserve an important part of Wycombe's culture.The wealth of a town is about more than money and shopping centres.I despair I really do, shame on you all,
Please do not include the general Wycombe (and District) population in that cry of 'shame on you all' , s-d.
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It is the gangs of venal local politicians who run things in this area - if not corrupt they are totally self-absorbed and uncaring of the town and all its heritage.
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But ordinary people are not allowed to get involved unless you join (as a low-life crony) one of their nasty horrible little gangs. It's called 'Gang Culture', I believe and they attack each other and any innocent bystanders who get in their way as well.
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How did we end up with people like this poisonous mixture of inept money-grubbing ill-educated gangster-associated scoundrels and blithering idiots dictating to us ? Don't blame the innocent public , please. Thank you.
My remarks were aimed at those in power but, as you ask the question, ''How did we end up with people like this poisonous mixture of inept money-grubbing ill-educated gangster-associated scoundrels and blithering idiots dictating to us ?''
I feel moved to answer,and it's simple.The 'innocent public' voted for them. If the cap fits......, otherwise you have no cause to take offence.
[quote][p][bold]J B Blackett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sai-diva[/bold] wrote: One by one the good things about my town are being sold off or decimated by this callous hard hearted council,a council that thinks nothing of wasting £500k on a no hope business scheme, but wont spend a penny to preserve an important part of Wycombe's culture.The wealth of a town is about more than money and shopping centres.I despair I really do, shame on you all,[/p][/quote]Please do not include the general Wycombe (and District) population in that cry of 'shame on you all' , s-d. . It is the gangs of venal local politicians who run things in this area - if not corrupt they are totally self-absorbed and uncaring of the town and all its heritage. . But ordinary people are not allowed to get involved unless you join (as a low-life crony) one of their nasty horrible little gangs. It's called 'Gang Culture', I believe and they attack each other and any innocent bystanders who get in their way as well. . How did we end up with people like this poisonous mixture of inept money-grubbing ill-educated gangster-associated scoundrels and blithering idiots dictating to us ? Don't blame the innocent public , please. Thank you.[/p][/quote]My remarks were aimed at those in power but, as you ask the question, ''How did we end up with people like this poisonous mixture of inept money-grubbing ill-educated gangster-associated scoundrels and blithering idiots dictating to us ?'' I feel moved to answer,and it's simple.The 'innocent public' voted for them. If the cap fits......, otherwise you have no cause to take offence. sai-diva

4:49pm Fri 26 Aug 11

J B Blackett says...

sai-diva wrote:
J B Blackett wrote:
sai-diva wrote:
One by one the good things about my town are being sold off or decimated by this callous hard hearted council,a council that thinks nothing of wasting £500k on a no hope business scheme, but wont spend a penny to preserve an important part of Wycombe's culture.The wealth of a town is about more than money and shopping centres.I despair I really do, shame on you all,
Please do not include the general Wycombe (and District) population in that cry of 'shame on you all' , s-d.
.
It is the gangs of venal local politicians who run things in this area - if not corrupt they are totally self-absorbed and uncaring of the town and all its heritage.
.
But ordinary people are not allowed to get involved unless you join (as a low-life crony) one of their nasty horrible little gangs. It's called 'Gang Culture', I believe and they attack each other and any innocent bystanders who get in their way as well.
.
How did we end up with people like this poisonous mixture of inept money-grubbing ill-educated gangster-associated scoundrels and blithering idiots dictating to us ? Don't blame the innocent public , please. Thank you.
My remarks were aimed at those in power but, as you ask the question, ''How did we end up with people like this poisonous mixture of inept money-grubbing ill-educated gangster-associated scoundrels and blithering idiots dictating to us ?''
I feel moved to answer,and it's simple.The 'innocent public' voted for them. If the cap fits......, otherwise you have no cause to take offence.
I'm afraid I did not vote for any members of the entrenched gangs who got onto the Council. So I am also afraid the cap does not fit and I choose not to share the blame.
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I thought the people , who I did vote for , would have made far better , worthy and caring councillors for Wycombe, but alas more people voted for the expected major party left-overs , as is usual in this area.
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Perhaps I misunderstood your message / words in the first place. No offence intended.
[quote][p][bold]sai-diva[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J B Blackett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sai-diva[/bold] wrote: One by one the good things about my town are being sold off or decimated by this callous hard hearted council,a council that thinks nothing of wasting £500k on a no hope business scheme, but wont spend a penny to preserve an important part of Wycombe's culture.The wealth of a town is about more than money and shopping centres.I despair I really do, shame on you all,[/p][/quote]Please do not include the general Wycombe (and District) population in that cry of 'shame on you all' , s-d. . It is the gangs of venal local politicians who run things in this area - if not corrupt they are totally self-absorbed and uncaring of the town and all its heritage. . But ordinary people are not allowed to get involved unless you join (as a low-life crony) one of their nasty horrible little gangs. It's called 'Gang Culture', I believe and they attack each other and any innocent bystanders who get in their way as well. . How did we end up with people like this poisonous mixture of inept money-grubbing ill-educated gangster-associated scoundrels and blithering idiots dictating to us ? Don't blame the innocent public , please. Thank you.[/p][/quote]My remarks were aimed at those in power but, as you ask the question, ''How did we end up with people like this poisonous mixture of inept money-grubbing ill-educated gangster-associated scoundrels and blithering idiots dictating to us ?'' I feel moved to answer,and it's simple.The 'innocent public' voted for them. If the cap fits......, otherwise you have no cause to take offence.[/p][/quote]I'm afraid I did not vote for any members of the entrenched gangs who got onto the Council. So I am also afraid the cap does not fit and I choose not to share the blame. . I thought the people , who I did vote for , would have made far better , worthy and caring councillors for Wycombe, but alas more people voted for the expected major party left-overs , as is usual in this area. . Perhaps I misunderstood your message / words in the first place. No offence intended. J B Blackett

6:40pm Fri 26 Aug 11

Veritad Veritad says...

wayneo wrote:
Veritad Veritad wrote:
The museum is not being sold off, it's being moved. Sensational and inaccurate headline by the BFP again
The Museum is being moved and the building from which it is being moved is being sold off, better?
Yes, better
[quote][p][bold]wayneo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Veritad Veritad[/bold] wrote: The museum is not being sold off, it's being moved. Sensational and inaccurate headline by the BFP again[/p][/quote]The Museum is being moved and the building from which it is being moved is being sold off, better?[/p][/quote]Yes, better Veritad Veritad

7:11pm Fri 26 Aug 11

Procopius! says...

ImpeturbableLawrence wrote:
Procopius - why - or didn't you understand my question - is that why you left the question mark?
You gave us two choices and I plumped for the second one.
~
Wise, far-sighted, deep-thinking individuals don't say "I told you so". Particularly when it is bad news.
[quote][p][bold]ImpeturbableLawrence[/bold] wrote: Procopius - why - or didn't you understand my question - is that why you left the question mark?[/p][/quote]You gave us two choices and I plumped for the second one. ~ Wise, far-sighted, deep-thinking individuals don't say "I told you so". Particularly when it is bad news. Procopius!

7:14pm Fri 26 Aug 11

Plus ça change... says...

History is a bit like a good joke. It's not just the joke, it is the way it's told.

And to tell it well in these times of alternatives, you need some money.

Wycombe may be small but it shares a common history with many other towns and cities in the country.

It's not just 'only Wycombe'.

It's all there - a complete set!!

Some towns and cities are noted for their history but we have a considerable one too.

After searching around the Internet the site where the museum is located seems a very interesting part of Wycombe's distant history.

Probably far more substantial than many things displayed there from more recent times.

Has anyone asked the National Trust for an opinion? They seem to present their locations in Bucks in an exemplary way. In fact, I would say their properties in Bucks are 'gems'.

If some of that could rub off on Wycombe, it wouldn't be a bad thing.


s/w:
Whatever-happened-to
-Maximus?
History is a bit like a good joke. It's not just the joke, it is the way it's told. And to tell it well in these times of alternatives, you need some money. Wycombe may be small but it shares a common history with many other towns and cities in the country. It's not just 'only Wycombe'. It's all there - a complete set!! Some towns and cities are noted for their history but we have a considerable one too. After searching around the Internet the site where the museum is located seems a very interesting part of Wycombe's distant history. Probably far more substantial than many things displayed there from more recent times. Has anyone asked the National Trust for an opinion? They seem to present their locations in Bucks in an exemplary way. In fact, I would say their properties in Bucks are 'gems'. If some of that could rub off on Wycombe, it wouldn't be a bad thing. s/w: Whatever-happened-to -Maximus? Plus ça change...

9:40am Sat 27 Aug 11

ImpeturbableLawrence says...

Procopius! wrote:
ImpeturbableLawrence wrote:
Procopius - why - or didn't you understand my question - is that why you left the question mark?
You gave us two choices and I plumped for the second one.
~
Wise, far-sighted, deep-thinking individuals don't say "I told you so". Particularly when it is bad news.
I’m wise et cetera and I did – it just seemed a bit predictable with the way that it was presented by Councillor Katrina Wood – as if she were talking to children – ‘isn’t this good my darlings’ and now it seems the ‘consultation process’ had already taken place – ‘When asked if the public would be consulted over the move, the Conservative-control
led council said it held a budget consultation in 2009, in which the museum was the fourth most popular choice for a spending cut.’ ......
Like you say it IS bad news. When I worked there as a volunteer over ten years ago it was rumoured that it might relocate to Bassetsbury Manor but THAT has been sold also – to a private school at what seemed a modest price, if you compared it with non-listed houses in Beaconsfield or Gerrards Cross at the time. Why can’t the present museum be made into a charitable trust and have external alterations to make it more accessible to handicapped people?
[quote][p][bold]Procopius![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ImpeturbableLawrence[/bold] wrote: Procopius - why - or didn't you understand my question - is that why you left the question mark?[/p][/quote]You gave us two choices and I plumped for the second one. ~ Wise, far-sighted, deep-thinking individuals don't say "I told you so". Particularly when it is bad news.[/p][/quote]I’m wise et cetera and I did – it just seemed a bit predictable with the way that it was presented by Councillor Katrina Wood – as if she were talking to children – ‘isn’t this good my darlings’ and now it seems the ‘consultation process’ had already taken place – ‘When asked if the public would be consulted over the move, the Conservative-control led council said it held a budget consultation in 2009, in which the museum was the fourth most popular choice for a spending cut.’ ...... Like you say it IS bad news. When I worked there as a volunteer over ten years ago it was rumoured that it might relocate to Bassetsbury Manor but THAT has been sold also – to a private school at what seemed a modest price, if you compared it with non-listed houses in Beaconsfield or Gerrards Cross at the time. Why can’t the present museum be made into a charitable trust and have external alterations to make it more accessible to handicapped people? ImpeturbableLawrence

9:52am Sat 27 Aug 11

ImpeturbableLawrence says...

Mutley wrote:
If the museum site were to be sold (and I am against its sale and the move of the museum), would there be planning restrictions as to what the site could be used for? It's one thing if it could be converted for community or health use or even offices (such as a firm of architects) and retain the green space, but if it is being sold as development land (eg for more flats!) then £750,000 seems remarkably cheap for such a large and well-positioned site. I say keep it as a long-term investment.
I should think it will be sold at a low price like Bassetsbury Manor and with no restrictions. After all - like the Manor - or the privatised public assets under Thatcher - it's only public property.
[quote][p][bold]Mutley[/bold] wrote: If the museum site were to be sold (and I am against its sale and the move of the museum), would there be planning restrictions as to what the site could be used for? It's one thing if it could be converted for community or health use or even offices (such as a firm of architects) and retain the green space, but if it is being sold as development land (eg for more flats!) then £750,000 seems remarkably cheap for such a large and well-positioned site. I say keep it as a long-term investment.[/p][/quote]I should think it will be sold at a low price like Bassetsbury Manor and with no restrictions. After all - like the Manor - or the privatised public assets under Thatcher - it's only public property. ImpeturbableLawrence

9:53am Sat 27 Aug 11

ImpeturbableLawrence says...

I should think it will be sold at a low price like Bassetsbury Manor and with no restrictions. After all - like the Manor - or the privatised public assets under Thatcher - it's only public property.
I should think it will be sold at a low price like Bassetsbury Manor and with no restrictions. After all - like the Manor - or the privatised public assets under Thatcher - it's only public property. ImpeturbableLawrence

12:39pm Sat 27 Aug 11

ImpeturbableLawrence says...

Plus ça change... wrote:
History is a bit like a good joke. It's not just the joke, it is the way it's told.

And to tell it well in these times of alternatives, you need some money.

Wycombe may be small but it shares a common history with many other towns and cities in the country.

It's not just 'only Wycombe'.

It's all there - a complete set!!

Some towns and cities are noted for their history but we have a considerable one too.

After searching around the Internet the site where the museum is located seems a very interesting part of Wycombe's distant history.

Probably far more substantial than many things displayed there from more recent times.

Has anyone asked the National Trust for an opinion? They seem to present their locations in Bucks in an exemplary way. In fact, I would say their properties in Bucks are 'gems'.

If some of that could rub off on Wycombe, it wouldn't be a bad thing.


s/w:
Whatever-happened-to

-Maximus?
'History is a bit like a good joke. It's not just the joke, it is the way it's told.'
/
History is just one **** thing after another!
[quote][p][bold]Plus ça change...[/bold] wrote: History is a bit like a good joke. It's not just the joke, it is the way it's told. And to tell it well in these times of alternatives, you need some money. Wycombe may be small but it shares a common history with many other towns and cities in the country. It's not just 'only Wycombe'. It's all there - a complete set!! Some towns and cities are noted for their history but we have a considerable one too. After searching around the Internet the site where the museum is located seems a very interesting part of Wycombe's distant history. Probably far more substantial than many things displayed there from more recent times. Has anyone asked the National Trust for an opinion? They seem to present their locations in Bucks in an exemplary way. In fact, I would say their properties in Bucks are 'gems'. If some of that could rub off on Wycombe, it wouldn't be a bad thing. s/w: Whatever-happened-to -Maximus?[/p][/quote]'History is a bit like a good joke. It's not just the joke, it is the way it's told.' / History is just one **** thing after another! ImpeturbableLawrence

12:43pm Sat 27 Aug 11

ImpeturbableLawrence says...

That last post said 'History is just one d*a*m*n*e*d thing after another!'
That last post said 'History is just one d*a*m*n*e*d thing after another!' ImpeturbableLawrence

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