Give leftover council snacks to homeless, says Lib Dem

3:03pm Tuesday 3rd July 2012 in News By James Nadal

snacks such as sandwiches, leftover after meetings, should go to charities for homeless, says Cllr Simon Parker snacks such as sandwiches, leftover after meetings, should go to charities for homeless, says Cllr Simon Parker

LEFTOVER sandwiches and snacks not eaten at council meetings should be offered to the hungry or homeless, a councillor says.

Councillor Simon Parker has called for 'nonsensical' regulations to be ignored to ensure decent food goes to a good home rather than being thrown in the bin.

After recently discovering that food provided for councillors after evening meetings was just discarded if not eaten, the Liberal Democrat asked homeless charities if they would welcome such snacks.

He said at a Wycombe District Council meeting last night: “ I've been assured that in the case of the YMCA in Cressex this would be eagerly received by residents who are not always assured of an evening meal.

“I understand the health and safety issues often cited as reasons why this cannot take place.

“Again, can I ask for her reassurance that as a council we should seek to circumvent any nonsensical regulations which prevents good food from reaching the mouths of the hungry, rather than consigning it to the dustbin?”

Cllr Jean Teesdale, Cabinet Member responsible for council food, said: “I have investigated the practicalities and things are not that simple.

“Over recent years efforts have been made to minimise the amount of refreshments left over after meetings.

“The action we are taking will, I anticipate, ensure the amounts of leftover food will be minimal so there will not be sufficient quantities to make it a viable proposition.”

The Conservative explained that once food has gone above eight degrees Celsius it must be consumed or thrown away, according to advice given by health and safety experts.

She added: “Whilst I appreciate the sentiment of your question I can't support anything that will cause risk.”

The food is paid for by the council.

This year it cut the budget for refreshments for 2012/13 from £11,100 to £7,500.

The council pointed out that this is merely the budget and not necessarily what will be spent.

Tea, coffee and biscuits are provided for all meetings and sandwiches are as well if the start time is 7pm and the meeting lasts more than an hour.

In 2007, the BFP revealed WDC overspent on their designated refreshment fund the previous year by £806 making it the council's most expensive for food since 2002.

Those same statistics showed across all three south Buckinghamshire district councils, councillors snacked on an annual total of £32,117 worth of sandwiches.

Comments (63)

3:17pm Tue 3 Jul 12

miccles says...

Even better idea, can't the little darlings cancel their sandwiches, biscuits, drinks etc, they have at these meetings, and instead give the money they would have paid for this food (which in my mind will be quite alot) to the homeless.

Is it really neccessary to have all this at council meetings?
Even better idea, can't the little darlings cancel their sandwiches, biscuits, drinks etc, they have at these meetings, and instead give the money they would have paid for this food (which in my mind will be quite alot) to the homeless. Is it really neccessary to have all this at council meetings? miccles

3:34pm Tue 3 Jul 12

BOOKERite says...

Do the Councillors pay for the food themselves, or do we pay?
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Anyway, can't they eat before they go to the meeting?
Do the Councillors pay for the food themselves, or do we pay? . Anyway, can't they eat before they go to the meeting? BOOKERite

4:08pm Tue 3 Jul 12

meatgoth says...

....council meetings with food provided? What next? Party hats and streamers? Just get on with the job at hand and eat at your own expense!
....council meetings with food provided? What next? Party hats and streamers? Just get on with the job at hand and eat at your own expense! meatgoth

4:12pm Tue 3 Jul 12

Bill Taxpayer says...

I presume we taxpayers are paying for this. Outrageous!
They should do what everyone else has to do and take their own sandwiches to work, or have dinner before they go.
I presume we taxpayers are paying for this. Outrageous! They should do what everyone else has to do and take their own sandwiches to work, or have dinner before they go. Bill Taxpayer

4:35pm Tue 3 Jul 12

Slacker says...

It is an outrage that councillors are given sandwiches out of the council budget anyway.

BFP know how to do these things, I request please that you put in a freedom of information request to ask exactly how much of their budget is spent per year on free snacks and drinks for the council members.

As a matter of safety I would prefer street lights to be left on at night and for the council to save money by stopping these free lunches. It is not right and especially so in these times of austerity. It is also not needed. Councillors are not poor neglected children that need feeding, they get paid a wage just like the rest of us.
It is an outrage that councillors are given sandwiches out of the council budget anyway. BFP know how to do these things, I request please that you put in a freedom of information request to ask exactly how much of their budget is spent per year on free snacks and drinks for the council members. As a matter of safety I would prefer street lights to be left on at night and for the council to save money by stopping these free lunches. It is not right and especially so in these times of austerity. It is also not needed. Councillors are not poor neglected children that need feeding, they get paid a wage just like the rest of us. Slacker

4:43pm Tue 3 Jul 12

Slacker says...

And I would really like the BFP to ask Cllr Jean Teesdale why she thinks the councillors need food at meetings. I would love to know her response.
And I would really like the BFP to ask Cllr Jean Teesdale why she thinks the councillors need food at meetings. I would love to know her response. Slacker

4:58pm Tue 3 Jul 12

Mr Vegas says...

cancel the snacks altogether or buy half the amount. then there are no leftovers.
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or they can put some money in a kitty & send someone up to asda.
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tight bast
cancel the snacks altogether or buy half the amount. then there are no leftovers. -- or they can put some money in a kitty & send someone up to asda. -- tight bast Mr Vegas

5:06pm Tue 3 Jul 12

Cressex Offender says...

I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.
I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded. Cressex Offender

5:28pm Tue 3 Jul 12

Mr Vegas says...

Cressex Offender wrote:
I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.
The last two companies I've been at tightened their belts when financial results weren't so good & one of the first things to suffer was the nice buffet. only when external, important people were in did the food come out otherwise it was let's break for half an hour & you can pop out and grab a sandwich. or bring you lunch in to the meeting.
[quote][p][bold]Cressex Offender[/bold] wrote: I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.[/p][/quote]The last two companies I've been at tightened their belts when financial results weren't so good & one of the first things to suffer was the nice buffet. only when external, important people were in did the food come out otherwise it was let's break for half an hour & you can pop out and grab a sandwich. or bring you lunch in to the meeting. Mr Vegas

6:17pm Tue 3 Jul 12

popeye1971 says...

BOOKERite wrote:
Do the Councillors pay for the food themselves, or do we pay?
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Anyway, can't they eat before they go to the meeting?
To answer some of these quotes - yes it is joe publics money no matter what they say, as per norm the Cllrs think they are something special and need wet nursing and feeding but unfortunatley kids at play school behave in a better manner and do not waste food, when i mean waste it is opened and then not covered to stay fresh for the next person to eat.
Why not eat before going to meetings, when I work a full day then have to go out I eat before going out so why can't Cllrs do the same? What's wrong with the fast food chains in the town as the Cllrs want more money to come into the town maybe they should start by eating in these places before they go to meetings!!
Surely for all the people that are employed in this so called council they would have vending machines too yes!!! Why not dig your hand in your pocket instead of spending or should I say wasting my hard earned cash on tea, coffee and nice little sandwiches!!!
[quote][p][bold]BOOKERite[/bold] wrote: Do the Councillors pay for the food themselves, or do we pay? . Anyway, can't they eat before they go to the meeting?[/p][/quote]To answer some of these quotes - yes it is joe publics money no matter what they say, as per norm the Cllrs think they are something special and need wet nursing and feeding but unfortunatley kids at play school behave in a better manner and do not waste food, when i mean waste it is opened and then not covered to stay fresh for the next person to eat. Why not eat before going to meetings, when I work a full day then have to go out I eat before going out so why can't Cllrs do the same? What's wrong with the fast food chains in the town as the Cllrs want more money to come into the town maybe they should start by eating in these places before they go to meetings!! Surely for all the people that are employed in this so called council they would have vending machines too yes!!! Why not dig your hand in your pocket instead of spending or should I say wasting my hard earned cash on tea, coffee and nice little sandwiches!!! popeye1971

8:27pm Tue 3 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

Mr Vegas wrote:
Cressex Offender wrote:
I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.
The last two companies I've been at tightened their belts when financial results weren't so good & one of the first things to suffer was the nice buffet. only when external, important people were in did the food come out otherwise it was let's break for half an hour & you can pop out and grab a sandwich. or bring you lunch in to the meeting.
I work for a public sector organisation.
No way do we have sandwiches etc at meetings. We don't have any drinks - if we want a drink we bring our own.
I think it is appalling to be honest.
And as for giving their leftovers to the homeless... well giving a person a curled up sandwich that has been left in a warm room all afternoon is the best way to give them food poisoning.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Vegas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cressex Offender[/bold] wrote: I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.[/p][/quote]The last two companies I've been at tightened their belts when financial results weren't so good & one of the first things to suffer was the nice buffet. only when external, important people were in did the food come out otherwise it was let's break for half an hour & you can pop out and grab a sandwich. or bring you lunch in to the meeting.[/p][/quote]I work for a public sector organisation. No way do we have sandwiches etc at meetings. We don't have any drinks - if we want a drink we bring our own. I think it is appalling to be honest. And as for giving their leftovers to the homeless... well giving a person a curled up sandwich that has been left in a warm room all afternoon is the best way to give them food poisoning. demoness the second

9:06pm Tue 3 Jul 12

faircuppa says...

Stop the gravy train - now and implement Fairtrade not Gravy Town!
Stop the gravy train - now and implement Fairtrade not Gravy Town! faircuppa

9:27pm Tue 3 Jul 12

ivor says...

If there are that many left overs maybe yours truly could offer assistance in finishing off the sandwiches....
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If could be tricky distributing the food as it would be difficult avoiding the scenario of it looking like the masters are giving their left-overs to the peasants....
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Make the Councillors bring their own sandwiches to the meetings and save on the public purse.
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Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page.
If there are that many left overs maybe yours truly could offer assistance in finishing off the sandwiches.... ~ If could be tricky distributing the food as it would be difficult avoiding the scenario of it looking like the masters are giving their left-overs to the peasants.... ~ Make the Councillors bring their own sandwiches to the meetings and save on the public purse. ~ Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page. ivor

10:19pm Tue 3 Jul 12

Slacker says...

Cressex Offender wrote:
I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.
I believe just because how they are funded is the very reason they should not be getting free lunches. A private company is one thing but I don't believe public funds should be spent on this.

They are cutting services and turning off street lights in some areas so they can have free sandwiches. I'm sure most people will not be comfortable with that.
[quote][p][bold]Cressex Offender[/bold] wrote: I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.[/p][/quote]I believe just because how they are funded is the very reason they should not be getting free lunches. A private company is one thing but I don't believe public funds should be spent on this. They are cutting services and turning off street lights in some areas so they can have free sandwiches. I'm sure most people will not be comfortable with that. Slacker

8:43am Wed 4 Jul 12

Flackwell says...

they should pay for their own food like anyone else.

Surely people recall the MP's expenses saga when clearly people have to eat wherever they happen to be located - so why should an employer pick up the tab ?
they should pay for their own food like anyone else. Surely people recall the MP's expenses saga when clearly people have to eat wherever they happen to be located - so why should an employer pick up the tab ? Flackwell

9:22am Wed 4 Jul 12

Bill Taxpayer says...

Cressex Offender wrote:
I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.
Then I suggest you try getting a job in the real world!
Private companies are one thing but the way the council is funded, i.e. through everyone's tax, is the very reason why they shouldn't get free meals.
I would rather my tax be spent on schools, street lights and keeping libraries open!
[quote][p][bold]Cressex Offender[/bold] wrote: I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.[/p][/quote]Then I suggest you try getting a job in the real world! Private companies are one thing but the way the council is funded, i.e. through everyone's tax, is the very reason why they shouldn't get free meals. I would rather my tax be spent on schools, street lights and keeping libraries open! Bill Taxpayer

1:17pm Wed 4 Jul 12

Malc London says...

I think it sounds quite reasonable to expect tea/coffee and biscuits in a meeting. The sandwiches are only for meetings starting at 7.00pm and it makes more sense for sandwiches to be brought in than stopping the meeting to go and buy something. I'm sure they would rather be home eating a proper meal.

As for giving the leftovers to the homeless, I am not sure they would even accept it.

If Simon Parker wants to help, then set up proper food kitchens and beds for the homeless. Not leftovers.
I think it sounds quite reasonable to expect tea/coffee and biscuits in a meeting. The sandwiches are only for meetings starting at 7.00pm and it makes more sense for sandwiches to be brought in than stopping the meeting to go and buy something. I'm sure they would rather be home eating a proper meal. As for giving the leftovers to the homeless, I am not sure they would even accept it. If Simon Parker wants to help, then set up proper food kitchens and beds for the homeless. Not leftovers. Malc London

1:22pm Wed 4 Jul 12

MrsFBucks says...

Slacker wrote:
It is an outrage that councillors are given sandwiches out of the council budget anyway.

BFP know how to do these things, I request please that you put in a freedom of information request to ask exactly how much of their budget is spent per year on free snacks and drinks for the council members.

As a matter of safety I would prefer street lights to be left on at night and for the council to save money by stopping these free lunches. It is not right and especially so in these times of austerity. It is also not needed. Councillors are not poor neglected children that need feeding, they get paid a wage just like the rest of us.
Errrr they get paid a lot MORE than the rest of us and we still pay for their lunch??!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Slacker[/bold] wrote: It is an outrage that councillors are given sandwiches out of the council budget anyway. BFP know how to do these things, I request please that you put in a freedom of information request to ask exactly how much of their budget is spent per year on free snacks and drinks for the council members. As a matter of safety I would prefer street lights to be left on at night and for the council to save money by stopping these free lunches. It is not right and especially so in these times of austerity. It is also not needed. Councillors are not poor neglected children that need feeding, they get paid a wage just like the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Errrr they get paid a lot MORE than the rest of us and we still pay for their lunch??!!!!! MrsFBucks

1:53pm Wed 4 Jul 12

tigeran says...

demoness the second wrote:
Mr Vegas wrote:
Cressex Offender wrote:
I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.
The last two companies I've been at tightened their belts when financial results weren't so good & one of the first things to suffer was the nice buffet. only when external, important people were in did the food come out otherwise it was let's break for half an hour & you can pop out and grab a sandwich. or bring you lunch in to the meeting.
I work for a public sector organisation.
No way do we have sandwiches etc at meetings. We don't have any drinks - if we want a drink we bring our own.
I think it is appalling to be honest.
And as for giving their leftovers to the homeless... well giving a person a curled up sandwich that has been left in a warm room all afternoon is the best way to give them food poisoning.
Why dont you take a cut in your taxpayers funded pension and with that money saved there give to the homeless? Oh no cant do that!!
[quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Vegas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cressex Offender[/bold] wrote: I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.[/p][/quote]The last two companies I've been at tightened their belts when financial results weren't so good & one of the first things to suffer was the nice buffet. only when external, important people were in did the food come out otherwise it was let's break for half an hour & you can pop out and grab a sandwich. or bring you lunch in to the meeting.[/p][/quote]I work for a public sector organisation. No way do we have sandwiches etc at meetings. We don't have any drinks - if we want a drink we bring our own. I think it is appalling to be honest. And as for giving their leftovers to the homeless... well giving a person a curled up sandwich that has been left in a warm room all afternoon is the best way to give them food poisoning.[/p][/quote]Why dont you take a cut in your taxpayers funded pension and with that money saved there give to the homeless? Oh no cant do that!! tigeran

3:39pm Wed 4 Jul 12

Bill Taxpayer says...

Malc London wrote:
I think it sounds quite reasonable to expect tea/coffee and biscuits in a meeting. The sandwiches are only for meetings starting at 7.00pm and it makes more sense for sandwiches to be brought in than stopping the meeting to go and buy something. I'm sure they would rather be home eating a proper meal. As for giving the leftovers to the homeless, I am not sure they would even accept it. If Simon Parker wants to help, then set up proper food kitchens and beds for the homeless. Not leftovers.
Why? Seriously, why is it reasonable to have sandwiches at a meeting? Why is it fair for taxpayers to pay for them?

Why can't they have something to eat and drink before the meeting, have the meeting, then go and get something to eat afterwards (and pay for it!) if they are still hungry?

It's what everyone else has to do!
[quote][p][bold]Malc London[/bold] wrote: I think it sounds quite reasonable to expect tea/coffee and biscuits in a meeting. The sandwiches are only for meetings starting at 7.00pm and it makes more sense for sandwiches to be brought in than stopping the meeting to go and buy something. I'm sure they would rather be home eating a proper meal. As for giving the leftovers to the homeless, I am not sure they would even accept it. If Simon Parker wants to help, then set up proper food kitchens and beds for the homeless. Not leftovers.[/p][/quote]Why? Seriously, why is it reasonable to have sandwiches at a meeting? Why is it fair for taxpayers to pay for them? Why can't they have something to eat and drink before the meeting, have the meeting, then go and get something to eat afterwards (and pay for it!) if they are still hungry? It's what everyone else has to do! Bill Taxpayer

8:55pm Wed 4 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

tigeran wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
Mr Vegas wrote:
Cressex Offender wrote:
I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.
The last two companies I've been at tightened their belts when financial results weren't so good & one of the first things to suffer was the nice buffet. only when external, important people were in did the food come out otherwise it was let's break for half an hour & you can pop out and grab a sandwich. or bring you lunch in to the meeting.
I work for a public sector organisation.
No way do we have sandwiches etc at meetings. We don't have any drinks - if we want a drink we bring our own.
I think it is appalling to be honest.
And as for giving their leftovers to the homeless... well giving a person a curled up sandwich that has been left in a warm room all afternoon is the best way to give them food poisoning.
Why dont you take a cut in your taxpayers funded pension and with that money saved there give to the homeless? Oh no cant do that!!
Tigeran
What part of I CONTRIBUTE TO MY PENSION FULLY AND I AM ALSO A TAX PAYER are you not getting?
[quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Vegas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cressex Offender[/bold] wrote: I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.[/p][/quote]The last two companies I've been at tightened their belts when financial results weren't so good & one of the first things to suffer was the nice buffet. only when external, important people were in did the food come out otherwise it was let's break for half an hour & you can pop out and grab a sandwich. or bring you lunch in to the meeting.[/p][/quote]I work for a public sector organisation. No way do we have sandwiches etc at meetings. We don't have any drinks - if we want a drink we bring our own. I think it is appalling to be honest. And as for giving their leftovers to the homeless... well giving a person a curled up sandwich that has been left in a warm room all afternoon is the best way to give them food poisoning.[/p][/quote]Why dont you take a cut in your taxpayers funded pension and with that money saved there give to the homeless? Oh no cant do that!![/p][/quote]Tigeran What part of I CONTRIBUTE TO MY PENSION FULLY AND I AM ALSO A TAX PAYER are you not getting? demoness the second

9:00pm Wed 4 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

demoness the second wrote:
tigeran wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
Mr Vegas wrote:
Cressex Offender wrote:
I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.
The last two companies I've been at tightened their belts when financial results weren't so good & one of the first things to suffer was the nice buffet. only when external, important people were in did the food come out otherwise it was let's break for half an hour & you can pop out and grab a sandwich. or bring you lunch in to the meeting.
I work for a public sector organisation.
No way do we have sandwiches etc at meetings. We don't have any drinks - if we want a drink we bring our own.
I think it is appalling to be honest.
And as for giving their leftovers to the homeless... well giving a person a curled up sandwich that has been left in a warm room all afternoon is the best way to give them food poisoning.
Why dont you take a cut in your taxpayers funded pension and with that money saved there give to the homeless? Oh no cant do that!!
Tigeran
What part of I CONTRIBUTE TO MY PENSION FULLY AND I AM ALSO A TAX PAYER are you not getting?
Actually forget I said that - I do not like you. You do not like me. You have decided to judge and condemn me without having any idea what I do for a job - in your mind I am a public sector bureucrat. I know I am not - I KNOW I do good but Tigeran I am not ( under any circs) going to tell you what it is.
So carry on... do your worse. Insult me as much as you like - because I actually do have the moral high ground. :)))
[quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Vegas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cressex Offender[/bold] wrote: I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.[/p][/quote]The last two companies I've been at tightened their belts when financial results weren't so good & one of the first things to suffer was the nice buffet. only when external, important people were in did the food come out otherwise it was let's break for half an hour & you can pop out and grab a sandwich. or bring you lunch in to the meeting.[/p][/quote]I work for a public sector organisation. No way do we have sandwiches etc at meetings. We don't have any drinks - if we want a drink we bring our own. I think it is appalling to be honest. And as for giving their leftovers to the homeless... well giving a person a curled up sandwich that has been left in a warm room all afternoon is the best way to give them food poisoning.[/p][/quote]Why dont you take a cut in your taxpayers funded pension and with that money saved there give to the homeless? Oh no cant do that!![/p][/quote]Tigeran What part of I CONTRIBUTE TO MY PENSION FULLY AND I AM ALSO A TAX PAYER are you not getting?[/p][/quote]Actually forget I said that - I do not like you. You do not like me. You have decided to judge and condemn me without having any idea what I do for a job - in your mind I am a public sector bureucrat. I know I am not - I KNOW I do good but Tigeran I am not ( under any circs) going to tell you what it is. So carry on... do your worse. Insult me as much as you like - because I actually do have the moral high ground. :))) demoness the second

9:04am Thu 5 Jul 12

tigeran says...

demoness the second wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
tigeran wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
Mr Vegas wrote:
Cressex Offender wrote:
I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.
The last two companies I've been at tightened their belts when financial results weren't so good & one of the first things to suffer was the nice buffet. only when external, important people were in did the food come out otherwise it was let's break for half an hour & you can pop out and grab a sandwich. or bring you lunch in to the meeting.
I work for a public sector organisation.
No way do we have sandwiches etc at meetings. We don't have any drinks - if we want a drink we bring our own.
I think it is appalling to be honest.
And as for giving their leftovers to the homeless... well giving a person a curled up sandwich that has been left in a warm room all afternoon is the best way to give them food poisoning.
Why dont you take a cut in your taxpayers funded pension and with that money saved there give to the homeless? Oh no cant do that!!
Tigeran
What part of I CONTRIBUTE TO MY PENSION FULLY AND I AM ALSO A TAX PAYER are you not getting?
Actually forget I said that - I do not like you. You do not like me. You have decided to judge and condemn me without having any idea what I do for a job - in your mind I am a public sector bureucrat. I know I am not - I KNOW I do good but Tigeran I am not ( under any circs) going to tell you what it is.
So carry on... do your worse. Insult me as much as you like - because I actually do have the moral high ground. :)))
Of course you wont tell me what you do as I would undoutedly be horrified at knowing I have to pay for what you do AND provide a pension for you!!! Like most public sector workers you are a HUGE hypocrite who is completeley ablivious to the fact that their job is probably only there to keep you off the street!
[quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Vegas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cressex Offender[/bold] wrote: I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.[/p][/quote]The last two companies I've been at tightened their belts when financial results weren't so good & one of the first things to suffer was the nice buffet. only when external, important people were in did the food come out otherwise it was let's break for half an hour & you can pop out and grab a sandwich. or bring you lunch in to the meeting.[/p][/quote]I work for a public sector organisation. No way do we have sandwiches etc at meetings. We don't have any drinks - if we want a drink we bring our own. I think it is appalling to be honest. And as for giving their leftovers to the homeless... well giving a person a curled up sandwich that has been left in a warm room all afternoon is the best way to give them food poisoning.[/p][/quote]Why dont you take a cut in your taxpayers funded pension and with that money saved there give to the homeless? Oh no cant do that!![/p][/quote]Tigeran What part of I CONTRIBUTE TO MY PENSION FULLY AND I AM ALSO A TAX PAYER are you not getting?[/p][/quote]Actually forget I said that - I do not like you. You do not like me. You have decided to judge and condemn me without having any idea what I do for a job - in your mind I am a public sector bureucrat. I know I am not - I KNOW I do good but Tigeran I am not ( under any circs) going to tell you what it is. So carry on... do your worse. Insult me as much as you like - because I actually do have the moral high ground. :)))[/p][/quote]Of course you wont tell me what you do as I would undoutedly be horrified at knowing I have to pay for what you do AND provide a pension for you!!! Like most public sector workers you are a HUGE hypocrite who is completeley ablivious to the fact that their job is probably only there to keep you off the street! tigeran

9:06am Thu 5 Jul 12

tigeran says...

demoness the second wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
tigeran wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
Mr Vegas wrote:
Cressex Offender wrote:
I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.
The last two companies I've been at tightened their belts when financial results weren't so good & one of the first things to suffer was the nice buffet. only when external, important people were in did the food come out otherwise it was let's break for half an hour & you can pop out and grab a sandwich. or bring you lunch in to the meeting.
I work for a public sector organisation.
No way do we have sandwiches etc at meetings. We don't have any drinks - if we want a drink we bring our own.
I think it is appalling to be honest.
And as for giving their leftovers to the homeless... well giving a person a curled up sandwich that has been left in a warm room all afternoon is the best way to give them food poisoning.
Why dont you take a cut in your taxpayers funded pension and with that money saved there give to the homeless? Oh no cant do that!!
Tigeran
What part of I CONTRIBUTE TO MY PENSION FULLY AND I AM ALSO A TAX PAYER are you not getting?
Actually forget I said that - I do not like you. You do not like me. You have decided to judge and condemn me without having any idea what I do for a job - in your mind I am a public sector bureucrat. I know I am not - I KNOW I do good but Tigeran I am not ( under any circs) going to tell you what it is.
So carry on... do your worse. Insult me as much as you like - because I actually do have the moral high ground. :)))
PS. Dont forget that your so called contributions you made are only possible due to money provided for you by the real workers of this country, the private sector, you know, the ones that bring money into this country to allow you a life? You must have heard of us?.....
[quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Vegas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cressex Offender[/bold] wrote: I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.[/p][/quote]The last two companies I've been at tightened their belts when financial results weren't so good & one of the first things to suffer was the nice buffet. only when external, important people were in did the food come out otherwise it was let's break for half an hour & you can pop out and grab a sandwich. or bring you lunch in to the meeting.[/p][/quote]I work for a public sector organisation. No way do we have sandwiches etc at meetings. We don't have any drinks - if we want a drink we bring our own. I think it is appalling to be honest. And as for giving their leftovers to the homeless... well giving a person a curled up sandwich that has been left in a warm room all afternoon is the best way to give them food poisoning.[/p][/quote]Why dont you take a cut in your taxpayers funded pension and with that money saved there give to the homeless? Oh no cant do that!![/p][/quote]Tigeran What part of I CONTRIBUTE TO MY PENSION FULLY AND I AM ALSO A TAX PAYER are you not getting?[/p][/quote]Actually forget I said that - I do not like you. You do not like me. You have decided to judge and condemn me without having any idea what I do for a job - in your mind I am a public sector bureucrat. I know I am not - I KNOW I do good but Tigeran I am not ( under any circs) going to tell you what it is. So carry on... do your worse. Insult me as much as you like - because I actually do have the moral high ground. :)))[/p][/quote]PS. Dont forget that your so called contributions you made are only possible due to money provided for you by the real workers of this country, the private sector, you know, the ones that bring money into this country to allow you a life? You must have heard of us?..... tigeran

1:21pm Thu 5 Jul 12

localjoker says...

tigeran wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
tigeran wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
Mr Vegas wrote:
Cressex Offender wrote: I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.
The last two companies I've been at tightened their belts when financial results weren't so good & one of the first things to suffer was the nice buffet. only when external, important people were in did the food come out otherwise it was let's break for half an hour & you can pop out and grab a sandwich. or bring you lunch in to the meeting.
I work for a public sector organisation. No way do we have sandwiches etc at meetings. We don't have any drinks - if we want a drink we bring our own. I think it is appalling to be honest. And as for giving their leftovers to the homeless... well giving a person a curled up sandwich that has been left in a warm room all afternoon is the best way to give them food poisoning.
Why dont you take a cut in your taxpayers funded pension and with that money saved there give to the homeless? Oh no cant do that!!
Tigeran What part of I CONTRIBUTE TO MY PENSION FULLY AND I AM ALSO A TAX PAYER are you not getting?
Actually forget I said that - I do not like you. You do not like me. You have decided to judge and condemn me without having any idea what I do for a job - in your mind I am a public sector bureucrat. I know I am not - I KNOW I do good but Tigeran I am not ( under any circs) going to tell you what it is. So carry on... do your worse. Insult me as much as you like - because I actually do have the moral high ground. :)))
PS. Dont forget that your so called contributions you made are only possible due to money provided for you by the real workers of this country, the private sector, you know, the ones that bring money into this country to allow you a life? You must have heard of us?.....
What do you do Tigeran, obviously something really important better than everyone else.
[quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Vegas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cressex Offender[/bold] wrote: I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.[/p][/quote]The last two companies I've been at tightened their belts when financial results weren't so good & one of the first things to suffer was the nice buffet. only when external, important people were in did the food come out otherwise it was let's break for half an hour & you can pop out and grab a sandwich. or bring you lunch in to the meeting.[/p][/quote]I work for a public sector organisation. No way do we have sandwiches etc at meetings. We don't have any drinks - if we want a drink we bring our own. I think it is appalling to be honest. And as for giving their leftovers to the homeless... well giving a person a curled up sandwich that has been left in a warm room all afternoon is the best way to give them food poisoning.[/p][/quote]Why dont you take a cut in your taxpayers funded pension and with that money saved there give to the homeless? Oh no cant do that!![/p][/quote]Tigeran What part of I CONTRIBUTE TO MY PENSION FULLY AND I AM ALSO A TAX PAYER are you not getting?[/p][/quote]Actually forget I said that - I do not like you. You do not like me. You have decided to judge and condemn me without having any idea what I do for a job - in your mind I am a public sector bureucrat. I know I am not - I KNOW I do good but Tigeran I am not ( under any circs) going to tell you what it is. So carry on... do your worse. Insult me as much as you like - because I actually do have the moral high ground. :)))[/p][/quote]PS. Dont forget that your so called contributions you made are only possible due to money provided for you by the real workers of this country, the private sector, you know, the ones that bring money into this country to allow you a life? You must have heard of us?.....[/p][/quote]What do you do Tigeran, obviously something really important better than everyone else. localjoker

1:54pm Thu 5 Jul 12

tigeran says...

localjoker wrote:
tigeran wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
tigeran wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
Mr Vegas wrote:
Cressex Offender wrote: I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.
The last two companies I've been at tightened their belts when financial results weren't so good & one of the first things to suffer was the nice buffet. only when external, important people were in did the food come out otherwise it was let's break for half an hour & you can pop out and grab a sandwich. or bring you lunch in to the meeting.
I work for a public sector organisation. No way do we have sandwiches etc at meetings. We don't have any drinks - if we want a drink we bring our own. I think it is appalling to be honest. And as for giving their leftovers to the homeless... well giving a person a curled up sandwich that has been left in a warm room all afternoon is the best way to give them food poisoning.
Why dont you take a cut in your taxpayers funded pension and with that money saved there give to the homeless? Oh no cant do that!!
Tigeran What part of I CONTRIBUTE TO MY PENSION FULLY AND I AM ALSO A TAX PAYER are you not getting?
Actually forget I said that - I do not like you. You do not like me. You have decided to judge and condemn me without having any idea what I do for a job - in your mind I am a public sector bureucrat. I know I am not - I KNOW I do good but Tigeran I am not ( under any circs) going to tell you what it is. So carry on... do your worse. Insult me as much as you like - because I actually do have the moral high ground. :)))
PS. Dont forget that your so called contributions you made are only possible due to money provided for you by the real workers of this country, the private sector, you know, the ones that bring money into this country to allow you a life? You must have heard of us?.....
What do you do Tigeran, obviously something really important better than everyone else.
Yes, I work in the private sector bringing money into this country that pays for the public sector. I have to provide for my own pension (of which is generally several times less profitable than a public sector workers of a comparable wage) and I also dont hold the country to ransom due to making ridiculous and selfish claims that I should not take a cut in my pension like everyone else has to who is not supported by the private sector (cant loose with having them pay for you!) ......... Like the public sector workers!
[quote][p][bold]localjoker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Vegas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cressex Offender[/bold] wrote: I am all for criticising the council but everyone saying it's outrageous that they get sandwiches is going a bit far. Every job I've ever had, they have supplied sandwiches and nibbles for meetings, so why should the council be any diffferent just because of how they are funded.[/p][/quote]The last two companies I've been at tightened their belts when financial results weren't so good & one of the first things to suffer was the nice buffet. only when external, important people were in did the food come out otherwise it was let's break for half an hour & you can pop out and grab a sandwich. or bring you lunch in to the meeting.[/p][/quote]I work for a public sector organisation. No way do we have sandwiches etc at meetings. We don't have any drinks - if we want a drink we bring our own. I think it is appalling to be honest. And as for giving their leftovers to the homeless... well giving a person a curled up sandwich that has been left in a warm room all afternoon is the best way to give them food poisoning.[/p][/quote]Why dont you take a cut in your taxpayers funded pension and with that money saved there give to the homeless? Oh no cant do that!![/p][/quote]Tigeran What part of I CONTRIBUTE TO MY PENSION FULLY AND I AM ALSO A TAX PAYER are you not getting?[/p][/quote]Actually forget I said that - I do not like you. You do not like me. You have decided to judge and condemn me without having any idea what I do for a job - in your mind I am a public sector bureucrat. I know I am not - I KNOW I do good but Tigeran I am not ( under any circs) going to tell you what it is. So carry on... do your worse. Insult me as much as you like - because I actually do have the moral high ground. :)))[/p][/quote]PS. Dont forget that your so called contributions you made are only possible due to money provided for you by the real workers of this country, the private sector, you know, the ones that bring money into this country to allow you a life? You must have heard of us?.....[/p][/quote]What do you do Tigeran, obviously something really important better than everyone else.[/p][/quote]Yes, I work in the private sector bringing money into this country that pays for the public sector. I have to provide for my own pension (of which is generally several times less profitable than a public sector workers of a comparable wage) and I also dont hold the country to ransom due to making ridiculous and selfish claims that I should not take a cut in my pension like everyone else has to who is not supported by the private sector (cant loose with having them pay for you!) ......... Like the public sector workers! tigeran

2:22pm Thu 5 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

Have you got private healthcare Tigeran?
Do you have access to a private policeforce, fire service?
Presumably you have access to a private ambulance as well.
What about your dustbins? Who empties them?
Do you keep your own roads swept?
Are your children ( if you have any) educated privately.
I am contributing more to my pension and I have absolutely no problem with that at all. In fact when have I ever complained about paying more into my pension? I haven't because I know I am lucky to have one. I would also NEVER strike about pensions and I have nothing but contempt for my colleagues that do.
I do not complain about working in the public sector - I absolutely love my job and would not do anything else. It is worthwhile and I am making a difference to people's lives.
I am sorry you have such hatred towards me - a stranger. Can we please just stop this now?
Have you got private healthcare Tigeran? Do you have access to a private policeforce, fire service? Presumably you have access to a private ambulance as well. What about your dustbins? Who empties them? Do you keep your own roads swept? Are your children ( if you have any) educated privately. I am contributing more to my pension and I have absolutely no problem with that at all. In fact when have I ever complained about paying more into my pension? I haven't because I know I am lucky to have one. I would also NEVER strike about pensions and I have nothing but contempt for my colleagues that do. I do not complain about working in the public sector - I absolutely love my job and would not do anything else. It is worthwhile and I am making a difference to people's lives. I am sorry you have such hatred towards me - a stranger. Can we please just stop this now? demoness the second

2:40pm Thu 5 Jul 12

Slacker says...

I don't think it is very healthy debate for people to be arguing which is better - private or public sector jobs. Personally I think both are as equally important to the running of this country and nobody should belittle others chosen job sector.

Would be nice to get back to the original point of the sandwiches :-)
I don't think it is very healthy debate for people to be arguing which is better - private or public sector jobs. Personally I think both are as equally important to the running of this country and nobody should belittle others chosen job sector. Would be nice to get back to the original point of the sandwiches :-) Slacker

2:43pm Thu 5 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

Slacker wrote:
I don't think it is very healthy debate for people to be arguing which is better - private or public sector jobs. Personally I think both are as equally important to the running of this country and nobody should belittle others chosen job sector.

Would be nice to get back to the original point of the sandwiches :-)
I agree but I was attacked and I was trying to defend myself :(
The government wants private v public sector fights because that steers us away from the real criminals .. the banks.
[quote][p][bold]Slacker[/bold] wrote: I don't think it is very healthy debate for people to be arguing which is better - private or public sector jobs. Personally I think both are as equally important to the running of this country and nobody should belittle others chosen job sector. Would be nice to get back to the original point of the sandwiches :-)[/p][/quote]I agree but I was attacked and I was trying to defend myself :( The government wants private v public sector fights because that steers us away from the real criminals .. the banks. demoness the second

3:31pm Thu 5 Jul 12

tigeran says...

demoness the second wrote:
Have you got private healthcare Tigeran?
Do you have access to a private policeforce, fire service?
Presumably you have access to a private ambulance as well.
What about your dustbins? Who empties them?
Do you keep your own roads swept?
Are your children ( if you have any) educated privately.
I am contributing more to my pension and I have absolutely no problem with that at all. In fact when have I ever complained about paying more into my pension? I haven't because I know I am lucky to have one. I would also NEVER strike about pensions and I have nothing but contempt for my colleagues that do.
I do not complain about working in the public sector - I absolutely love my job and would not do anything else. It is worthwhile and I am making a difference to people's lives.
I am sorry you have such hatred towards me - a stranger. Can we please just stop this now?
"I absolutely love my job and would not do anything else"

I bet you do! Its probably easy money!
[quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: Have you got private healthcare Tigeran? Do you have access to a private policeforce, fire service? Presumably you have access to a private ambulance as well. What about your dustbins? Who empties them? Do you keep your own roads swept? Are your children ( if you have any) educated privately. I am contributing more to my pension and I have absolutely no problem with that at all. In fact when have I ever complained about paying more into my pension? I haven't because I know I am lucky to have one. I would also NEVER strike about pensions and I have nothing but contempt for my colleagues that do. I do not complain about working in the public sector - I absolutely love my job and would not do anything else. It is worthwhile and I am making a difference to people's lives. I am sorry you have such hatred towards me - a stranger. Can we please just stop this now?[/p][/quote]"I absolutely love my job and would not do anything else" I bet you do! Its probably easy money! tigeran

9:02pm Thu 5 Jul 12

Slacker says...

Tigeran, I don't understand why you are being so nasty about it. This country relys on public sector workers for your medical care, fire service and police to name but a few.
Tigeran, I don't understand why you are being so nasty about it. This country relys on public sector workers for your medical care, fire service and police to name but a few. Slacker

10:14pm Thu 5 Jul 12

Bookermum says...

In every (public sector) meeting I've had (before or after 7pm), there has been water available in the rooms, & a tea/coffee machine outside!
I have never had the honor of having sandwiches or even biscuits supplied!!
I usually have a sandwich I eat before the meeting, then have my tea when I get home!!
What's good enough for one should be good enough for all!!
In every (public sector) meeting I've had (before or after 7pm), there has been water available in the rooms, & a tea/coffee machine outside! I have never had the honor of having sandwiches or even biscuits supplied!! I usually have a sandwich I eat before the meeting, then have my tea when I get home!! What's good enough for one should be good enough for all!! Bookermum

11:32pm Thu 5 Jul 12

tigeran says...

Slacker wrote:
Tigeran, I don't understand why you are being so nasty about it. This country relys on public sector workers for your medical care, fire service and police to name but a few.
LOL!! Nasty!! You baby! Just speaking the truth!
[quote][p][bold]Slacker[/bold] wrote: Tigeran, I don't understand why you are being so nasty about it. This country relys on public sector workers for your medical care, fire service and police to name but a few.[/p][/quote]LOL!! Nasty!! You baby! Just speaking the truth! tigeran

11:41pm Thu 5 Jul 12

tigeran says...

demoness the second wrote:
Have you got private healthcare Tigeran?
Do you have access to a private policeforce, fire service?
Presumably you have access to a private ambulance as well.
What about your dustbins? Who empties them?
Do you keep your own roads swept?
Are your children ( if you have any) educated privately.
I am contributing more to my pension and I have absolutely no problem with that at all. In fact when have I ever complained about paying more into my pension? I haven't because I know I am lucky to have one. I would also NEVER strike about pensions and I have nothing but contempt for my colleagues that do.
I do not complain about working in the public sector - I absolutely love my job and would not do anything else. It is worthwhile and I am making a difference to people's lives.
I am sorry you have such hatred towards me - a stranger. Can we please just stop this now?
Please Demoness, You are VERY hypocritical and you make me laugh at your defence of what you say at times! Typical public sector! You will never know what it is like having to provide for yourself AND public sector workers in their old age like the private sector has to! Oh well, I suppose that is my fault in not taking the easy route.........
[quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: Have you got private healthcare Tigeran? Do you have access to a private policeforce, fire service? Presumably you have access to a private ambulance as well. What about your dustbins? Who empties them? Do you keep your own roads swept? Are your children ( if you have any) educated privately. I am contributing more to my pension and I have absolutely no problem with that at all. In fact when have I ever complained about paying more into my pension? I haven't because I know I am lucky to have one. I would also NEVER strike about pensions and I have nothing but contempt for my colleagues that do. I do not complain about working in the public sector - I absolutely love my job and would not do anything else. It is worthwhile and I am making a difference to people's lives. I am sorry you have such hatred towards me - a stranger. Can we please just stop this now?[/p][/quote]Please Demoness, You are VERY hypocritical and you make me laugh at your defence of what you say at times! Typical public sector! You will never know what it is like having to provide for yourself AND public sector workers in their old age like the private sector has to! Oh well, I suppose that is my fault in not taking the easy route......... tigeran

6:33am Fri 6 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

tigeran wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
Have you got private healthcare Tigeran?
Do you have access to a private policeforce, fire service?
Presumably you have access to a private ambulance as well.
What about your dustbins? Who empties them?
Do you keep your own roads swept?
Are your children ( if you have any) educated privately.
I am contributing more to my pension and I have absolutely no problem with that at all. In fact when have I ever complained about paying more into my pension? I haven't because I know I am lucky to have one. I would also NEVER strike about pensions and I have nothing but contempt for my colleagues that do.
I do not complain about working in the public sector - I absolutely love my job and would not do anything else. It is worthwhile and I am making a difference to people's lives.
I am sorry you have such hatred towards me - a stranger. Can we please just stop this now?
Please Demoness, You are VERY hypocritical and you make me laugh at your defence of what you say at times! Typical public sector! You will never know what it is like having to provide for yourself AND public sector workers in their old age like the private sector has to! Oh well, I suppose that is my fault in not taking the easy route.........
You don't know anything about me at all - only that I am a public sector worker.
And yet you are making the most outrageous assumptions.I have even tried to ask you to draw a line under it and you still keep on.
You have an irrational hatred for a person on the internet.
Well odd.
[quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: Have you got private healthcare Tigeran? Do you have access to a private policeforce, fire service? Presumably you have access to a private ambulance as well. What about your dustbins? Who empties them? Do you keep your own roads swept? Are your children ( if you have any) educated privately. I am contributing more to my pension and I have absolutely no problem with that at all. In fact when have I ever complained about paying more into my pension? I haven't because I know I am lucky to have one. I would also NEVER strike about pensions and I have nothing but contempt for my colleagues that do. I do not complain about working in the public sector - I absolutely love my job and would not do anything else. It is worthwhile and I am making a difference to people's lives. I am sorry you have such hatred towards me - a stranger. Can we please just stop this now?[/p][/quote]Please Demoness, You are VERY hypocritical and you make me laugh at your defence of what you say at times! Typical public sector! You will never know what it is like having to provide for yourself AND public sector workers in their old age like the private sector has to! Oh well, I suppose that is my fault in not taking the easy route.........[/p][/quote]You don't know anything about me at all - only that I am a public sector worker. And yet you are making the most outrageous assumptions.I have even tried to ask you to draw a line under it and you still keep on. You have an irrational hatred for a person on the internet. Well odd. demoness the second

6:34am Fri 6 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

tigeran wrote:
Slacker wrote:
Tigeran, I don't understand why you are being so nasty about it. This country relys on public sector workers for your medical care, fire service and police to name but a few.
LOL!! Nasty!! You baby! Just speaking the truth!
What is so infantile about Slacker's remark?
And you haven't answered my questions yet.
[quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slacker[/bold] wrote: Tigeran, I don't understand why you are being so nasty about it. This country relys on public sector workers for your medical care, fire service and police to name but a few.[/p][/quote]LOL!! Nasty!! You baby! Just speaking the truth![/p][/quote]What is so infantile about Slacker's remark? And you haven't answered my questions yet. demoness the second

2:54pm Fri 6 Jul 12

Lucy-Fur says...

Sorry to hijack but this item is at number 2 on most commented, front page of the Marlow Free Press states "Millionaire convicted of tax evasion" Oh dear Mr Shanly!! Why does this story not appear on the BFP website? Don't tell me the BFP are in Mr Shanlys pocket as well!
Sorry to hijack but this item is at number 2 on most commented, front page of the Marlow Free Press states "Millionaire convicted of tax evasion" Oh dear Mr Shanly!! Why does this story not appear on the BFP website? Don't tell me the BFP are in Mr Shanlys pocket as well! Lucy-Fur

9:25am Sat 7 Jul 12

tigeran says...

demoness the second wrote:
tigeran wrote:
Slacker wrote:
Tigeran, I don't understand why you are being so nasty about it. This country relys on public sector workers for your medical care, fire service and police to name but a few.
LOL!! Nasty!! You baby! Just speaking the truth!
What is so infantile about Slacker's remark?
And you haven't answered my questions yet.
To answer your question, of course I use these, I pay my taxes so I am entitled to it plus these are essential, You on the other hand, like many other public sector workers are probably the "surplus to requirement" type who breeze along on the private sector tax and then we have to fund your highly inflated and under contributed (your contribution you so band about) for the rest of your days! My justification for this assumption is that you are reluctant to say what you do as it will probably be laughable! Let me reiterate for you, Private sector funds the public sector, the public sector spends the money the private sector creates. Your wages and "contributions" are all provided by the private sector. "Surplus to requirement" probably sums you up.
[quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slacker[/bold] wrote: Tigeran, I don't understand why you are being so nasty about it. This country relys on public sector workers for your medical care, fire service and police to name but a few.[/p][/quote]LOL!! Nasty!! You baby! Just speaking the truth![/p][/quote]What is so infantile about Slacker's remark? And you haven't answered my questions yet.[/p][/quote]To answer your question, of course I use these, I pay my taxes so I am entitled to it plus these are essential, You on the other hand, like many other public sector workers are probably the "surplus to requirement" type who breeze along on the private sector tax and then we have to fund your highly inflated and under contributed (your contribution you so band about) for the rest of your days! My justification for this assumption is that you are reluctant to say what you do as it will probably be laughable! Let me reiterate for you, Private sector funds the public sector, the public sector spends the money the private sector creates. Your wages and "contributions" are all provided by the private sector. "Surplus to requirement" probably sums you up. tigeran

11:38am Sat 7 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

tigeran wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
tigeran wrote:
Slacker wrote:
Tigeran, I don't understand why you are being so nasty about it. This country relys on public sector workers for your medical care, fire service and police to name but a few.
LOL!! Nasty!! You baby! Just speaking the truth!
What is so infantile about Slacker's remark?
And you haven't answered my questions yet.
To answer your question, of course I use these, I pay my taxes so I am entitled to it plus these are essential, You on the other hand, like many other public sector workers are probably the "surplus to requirement" type who breeze along on the private sector tax and then we have to fund your highly inflated and under contributed (your contribution you so band about) for the rest of your days! My justification for this assumption is that you are reluctant to say what you do as it will probably be laughable! Let me reiterate for you, Private sector funds the public sector, the public sector spends the money the private sector creates. Your wages and "contributions" are all provided by the private sector. "Surplus to requirement" probably sums you up.
I would absolutely love to know why you have come to this conclusion.
You have already been told that I am a front line worker.. I am absolutely not going to give away what I do... who knows I may have come across you in my work already.I prefer the anonymity because it means I can say what I feel about certain services.
PLEASE stop insulting me all the time - your personal comments are getting beyond a joke and I suggest that you read the Ts and Cs at the bottom of the page - they are there for a reason.
[quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slacker[/bold] wrote: Tigeran, I don't understand why you are being so nasty about it. This country relys on public sector workers for your medical care, fire service and police to name but a few.[/p][/quote]LOL!! Nasty!! You baby! Just speaking the truth![/p][/quote]What is so infantile about Slacker's remark? And you haven't answered my questions yet.[/p][/quote]To answer your question, of course I use these, I pay my taxes so I am entitled to it plus these are essential, You on the other hand, like many other public sector workers are probably the "surplus to requirement" type who breeze along on the private sector tax and then we have to fund your highly inflated and under contributed (your contribution you so band about) for the rest of your days! My justification for this assumption is that you are reluctant to say what you do as it will probably be laughable! Let me reiterate for you, Private sector funds the public sector, the public sector spends the money the private sector creates. Your wages and "contributions" are all provided by the private sector. "Surplus to requirement" probably sums you up.[/p][/quote]I would absolutely love to know why you have come to this conclusion. You have already been told that I am a front line worker.. I am absolutely not going to give away what I do... who knows I may have come across you in my work already.I prefer the anonymity because it means I can say what I feel about certain services. PLEASE stop insulting me all the time - your personal comments are getting beyond a joke and I suggest that you read the Ts and Cs at the bottom of the page - they are there for a reason. demoness the second

11:49am Sat 7 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

Oh and as for the private sector creating wealth etc..
Who was it that bailed the banks out?
Who is still cheating and bleeding this country dry while all the time avoiding taxes and getting big bonuses?
I completely agree with you that there is a lot of waste in the Public sector. I also am glad that many of the quangos have been abolished - far too many of them.
But this personal vendetta against me - as if i am to blame for all the country's ills is pointless. I work hard. I do a worthwhile job - it is not particularly easy but I love it.
I know you won't believe me but I am trying very hard to be conciliatory - so why not be the same?
Oh and as for the private sector creating wealth etc.. Who was it that bailed the banks out? Who is still cheating and bleeding this country dry while all the time avoiding taxes and getting big bonuses? I completely agree with you that there is a lot of waste in the Public sector. I also am glad that many of the quangos have been abolished - far too many of them. But this personal vendetta against me - as if i am to blame for all the country's ills is pointless. I work hard. I do a worthwhile job - it is not particularly easy but I love it. I know you won't believe me but I am trying very hard to be conciliatory - so why not be the same? demoness the second

3:16pm Sat 7 Jul 12

Scarletto says...

For years they've been fed cuppas, sandwiches and biscuits at meetings. A uniformed flunkey used to go round the room with a trolley. Not sure if that still happens. Congrats to the councillor who suggested passing the goodies on. These council meetings often go long into thye night as members try to settle community affairs for us all as we sit at home all tucked up in front of the TV or on our way to bed. Within reason it's not so bad if they're fed and watered a bit. The same happens on many other councils including Bucks county council.
For years they've been fed cuppas, sandwiches and biscuits at meetings. A uniformed flunkey used to go round the room with a trolley. Not sure if that still happens. Congrats to the councillor who suggested passing the goodies on. These council meetings often go long into thye night as members try to settle community affairs for us all as we sit at home all tucked up in front of the TV or on our way to bed. Within reason it's not so bad if they're fed and watered a bit. The same happens on many other councils including Bucks county council. Scarletto

3:19pm Sat 7 Jul 12

Scarletto says...

For years they've been fed cuppas, sandwiches and biscuits at meetings. A uniformed flunkey used to go round the room with a trolley. Not sure if that still happens. Congrats to the councillor who suggested passing the goodies on. These council meetings often go long into thye night as members try to settle community affairs for us all as we sit at home all tucked up in front of the TV or on our way to bed. Within reason it's not so bad if they're fed and watered a bit. The same happens on many other councils including Bucks county council.
For years they've been fed cuppas, sandwiches and biscuits at meetings. A uniformed flunkey used to go round the room with a trolley. Not sure if that still happens. Congrats to the councillor who suggested passing the goodies on. These council meetings often go long into thye night as members try to settle community affairs for us all as we sit at home all tucked up in front of the TV or on our way to bed. Within reason it's not so bad if they're fed and watered a bit. The same happens on many other councils including Bucks county council. Scarletto

6:54pm Sat 7 Jul 12

tigeran says...

demoness the second wrote:
Oh and as for the private sector creating wealth etc..
Who was it that bailed the banks out?
Who is still cheating and bleeding this country dry while all the time avoiding taxes and getting big bonuses?
I completely agree with you that there is a lot of waste in the Public sector. I also am glad that many of the quangos have been abolished - far too many of them.
But this personal vendetta against me - as if i am to blame for all the country's ills is pointless. I work hard. I do a worthwhile job - it is not particularly easy but I love it.
I know you won't believe me but I am trying very hard to be conciliatory - so why not be the same?
Personal vendetta? Don't flatter yourself! I just find you hypocritical in lots you say that's all. You could say that I have lots to say, well you don't do too bad yourself. For your information it is NOT a personal vendetta.
[quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: Oh and as for the private sector creating wealth etc.. Who was it that bailed the banks out? Who is still cheating and bleeding this country dry while all the time avoiding taxes and getting big bonuses? I completely agree with you that there is a lot of waste in the Public sector. I also am glad that many of the quangos have been abolished - far too many of them. But this personal vendetta against me - as if i am to blame for all the country's ills is pointless. I work hard. I do a worthwhile job - it is not particularly easy but I love it. I know you won't believe me but I am trying very hard to be conciliatory - so why not be the same?[/p][/quote]Personal vendetta? Don't flatter yourself! I just find you hypocritical in lots you say that's all. You could say that I have lots to say, well you don't do too bad yourself. For your information it is NOT a personal vendetta. tigeran

8:56pm Sat 7 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

tigeran wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
Oh and as for the private sector creating wealth etc..
Who was it that bailed the banks out?
Who is still cheating and bleeding this country dry while all the time avoiding taxes and getting big bonuses?
I completely agree with you that there is a lot of waste in the Public sector. I also am glad that many of the quangos have been abolished - far too many of them.
But this personal vendetta against me - as if i am to blame for all the country's ills is pointless. I work hard. I do a worthwhile job - it is not particularly easy but I love it.
I know you won't believe me but I am trying very hard to be conciliatory - so why not be the same?
Personal vendetta? Don't flatter yourself! I just find you hypocritical in lots you say that's all. You could say that I have lots to say, well you don't do too bad yourself. For your information it is NOT a personal vendetta.
It seems like that.. I don't think I have EVER resorted to the name calling, the insults or the personal remarks that you have made towards me.
How am I hypocritical?
[quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: Oh and as for the private sector creating wealth etc.. Who was it that bailed the banks out? Who is still cheating and bleeding this country dry while all the time avoiding taxes and getting big bonuses? I completely agree with you that there is a lot of waste in the Public sector. I also am glad that many of the quangos have been abolished - far too many of them. But this personal vendetta against me - as if i am to blame for all the country's ills is pointless. I work hard. I do a worthwhile job - it is not particularly easy but I love it. I know you won't believe me but I am trying very hard to be conciliatory - so why not be the same?[/p][/quote]Personal vendetta? Don't flatter yourself! I just find you hypocritical in lots you say that's all. You could say that I have lots to say, well you don't do too bad yourself. For your information it is NOT a personal vendetta.[/p][/quote]It seems like that.. I don't think I have EVER resorted to the name calling, the insults or the personal remarks that you have made towards me. How am I hypocritical? demoness the second

11:55pm Sat 7 Jul 12

A VOTER says...

Tigeran,
There are many bad public sector workers, and there are many good public sector workers. Some of the good public sector workers will move heaven and earth to do great things. Sometimes you will rely on public sector workers to keep you safe, to protect you, to rescue you, or to save your life. Without these dedicated people, all of our lives would be very different. One day, you may need the services provided by demoness....
Tigeran, There are many bad public sector workers, and there are many good public sector workers. Some of the good public sector workers will move heaven and earth to do great things. Sometimes you will rely on public sector workers to keep you safe, to protect you, to rescue you, or to save your life. Without these dedicated people, all of our lives would be very different. One day, you may need the services provided by demoness.... A VOTER

9:12am Sun 8 Jul 12

tom.marlow2 says...

A VOTER wrote:
Tigeran,
There are many bad public sector workers, and there are many good public sector workers. Some of the good public sector workers will move heaven and earth to do great things. Sometimes you will rely on public sector workers to keep you safe, to protect you, to rescue you, or to save your life. Without these dedicated people, all of our lives would be very different. One day, you may need the services provided by demoness....
Actually, outside of the deranged perspective of the Daily Mail there aren't really "many bad public sector workers,".

In fact, in our society, I don't think there are that many bad people at all in any sphere.

The overwhelming majority of people just get on with their lives in a civilised manner and do their jobs reasonably well.
[quote][p][bold]A VOTER[/bold] wrote: Tigeran, There are many bad public sector workers, and there are many good public sector workers. Some of the good public sector workers will move heaven and earth to do great things. Sometimes you will rely on public sector workers to keep you safe, to protect you, to rescue you, or to save your life. Without these dedicated people, all of our lives would be very different. One day, you may need the services provided by demoness....[/p][/quote]Actually, outside of the deranged perspective of the Daily Mail there aren't really "many bad public sector workers,". In fact, in our society, I don't think there are that many bad people at all in any sphere. The overwhelming majority of people just get on with their lives in a civilised manner and do their jobs reasonably well. tom.marlow2

5:45pm Sun 8 Jul 12

tigeran says...

A VOTER wrote:
Tigeran,
There are many bad public sector workers, and there are many good public sector workers. Some of the good public sector workers will move heaven and earth to do great things. Sometimes you will rely on public sector workers to keep you safe, to protect you, to rescue you, or to save your life. Without these dedicated people, all of our lives would be very different. One day, you may need the services provided by demoness....
I have great respect for all our front line people and if demoness is one then I do for what she does and not her views. What I cannot stand is the recent delutions of grandure some of the public sector workers have displayed with regards to pensions etc during these times of hardship that has seen decent people not in the public sector have their pensions ripped apart and can do nothing about it but public sector hold these very people to ransom who bring money into the country that pays for these people's wages! Demoness just happens to be a public sector worker whos views irritate me and hence the clash! Nothing more.
[quote][p][bold]A VOTER[/bold] wrote: Tigeran, There are many bad public sector workers, and there are many good public sector workers. Some of the good public sector workers will move heaven and earth to do great things. Sometimes you will rely on public sector workers to keep you safe, to protect you, to rescue you, or to save your life. Without these dedicated people, all of our lives would be very different. One day, you may need the services provided by demoness....[/p][/quote]I have great respect for all our front line people and if demoness is one then I do for what she does and not her views. What I cannot stand is the recent delutions of grandure some of the public sector workers have displayed with regards to pensions etc during these times of hardship that has seen decent people not in the public sector have their pensions ripped apart and can do nothing about it but public sector hold these very people to ransom who bring money into the country that pays for these people's wages! Demoness just happens to be a public sector worker whos views irritate me and hence the clash! Nothing more. tigeran

5:56pm Sun 8 Jul 12

Slacker says...

tigeran wrote:
A VOTER wrote:
Tigeran,
There are many bad public sector workers, and there are many good public sector workers. Some of the good public sector workers will move heaven and earth to do great things. Sometimes you will rely on public sector workers to keep you safe, to protect you, to rescue you, or to save your life. Without these dedicated people, all of our lives would be very different. One day, you may need the services provided by demoness....
I have great respect for all our front line people and if demoness is one then I do for what she does and not her views. What I cannot stand is the recent delutions of grandure some of the public sector workers have displayed with regards to pensions etc during these times of hardship that has seen decent people not in the public sector have their pensions ripped apart and can do nothing about it but public sector hold these very people to ransom who bring money into the country that pays for these people's wages! Demoness just happens to be a public sector worker whos views irritate me and hence the clash! Nothing more.
This is what is confusing. Despite Demoness working in the public sector, her first post was displaying an annoyance/dislike of the public sector workers who went on strike.

So you both have the same views it seems.
[quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A VOTER[/bold] wrote: Tigeran, There are many bad public sector workers, and there are many good public sector workers. Some of the good public sector workers will move heaven and earth to do great things. Sometimes you will rely on public sector workers to keep you safe, to protect you, to rescue you, or to save your life. Without these dedicated people, all of our lives would be very different. One day, you may need the services provided by demoness....[/p][/quote]I have great respect for all our front line people and if demoness is one then I do for what she does and not her views. What I cannot stand is the recent delutions of grandure some of the public sector workers have displayed with regards to pensions etc during these times of hardship that has seen decent people not in the public sector have their pensions ripped apart and can do nothing about it but public sector hold these very people to ransom who bring money into the country that pays for these people's wages! Demoness just happens to be a public sector worker whos views irritate me and hence the clash! Nothing more.[/p][/quote]This is what is confusing. Despite Demoness working in the public sector, her first post was displaying an annoyance/dislike of the public sector workers who went on strike. So you both have the same views it seems. Slacker

7:41pm Sun 8 Jul 12

tom.marlow2 says...

tigeran wrote:
A VOTER wrote:
Tigeran,
There are many bad public sector workers, and there are many good public sector workers. Some of the good public sector workers will move heaven and earth to do great things. Sometimes you will rely on public sector workers to keep you safe, to protect you, to rescue you, or to save your life. Without these dedicated people, all of our lives would be very different. One day, you may need the services provided by demoness....
I have great respect for all our front line people and if demoness is one then I do for what she does and not her views. What I cannot stand is the recent delutions of grandure some of the public sector workers have displayed with regards to pensions etc during these times of hardship that has seen decent people not in the public sector have their pensions ripped apart and can do nothing about it but public sector hold these very people to ransom who bring money into the country that pays for these people's wages! Demoness just happens to be a public sector worker whos views irritate me and hence the clash! Nothing more.
And which groups of public sector workers caused the current set of economic problems ?

I suppose you could argue that as Lloyds TSB, RBS, Northern Rock are in public ownership then their insane trading positions were the result of public sector workers.

But... just as big a burn up of public money is attributable to tax avoidance, both by individuals and by companies, but you don't seem to have a go at them when they squeal about their tax avoidance schemes being ripped apart. Or when they hold you to ransom over energy prices.

Blame public sector workers if you want (or as seems popular on here, the previous government), but its not them that are trousering your (and my) hard earned money.
[quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A VOTER[/bold] wrote: Tigeran, There are many bad public sector workers, and there are many good public sector workers. Some of the good public sector workers will move heaven and earth to do great things. Sometimes you will rely on public sector workers to keep you safe, to protect you, to rescue you, or to save your life. Without these dedicated people, all of our lives would be very different. One day, you may need the services provided by demoness....[/p][/quote]I have great respect for all our front line people and if demoness is one then I do for what she does and not her views. What I cannot stand is the recent delutions of grandure some of the public sector workers have displayed with regards to pensions etc during these times of hardship that has seen decent people not in the public sector have their pensions ripped apart and can do nothing about it but public sector hold these very people to ransom who bring money into the country that pays for these people's wages! Demoness just happens to be a public sector worker whos views irritate me and hence the clash! Nothing more.[/p][/quote]And which groups of public sector workers caused the current set of economic problems ? I suppose you could argue that as Lloyds TSB, RBS, Northern Rock are in public ownership then their insane trading positions were the result of public sector workers. But... just as big a burn up of public money is attributable to tax avoidance, both by individuals and by companies, but you don't seem to have a go at them when they squeal about their tax avoidance schemes being ripped apart. Or when they hold you to ransom over energy prices. Blame public sector workers if you want (or as seems popular on here, the previous government), but its not them that are trousering your (and my) hard earned money. tom.marlow2

9:07pm Sun 8 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

Slacker wrote:
tigeran wrote:
A VOTER wrote:
Tigeran,
There are many bad public sector workers, and there are many good public sector workers. Some of the good public sector workers will move heaven and earth to do great things. Sometimes you will rely on public sector workers to keep you safe, to protect you, to rescue you, or to save your life. Without these dedicated people, all of our lives would be very different. One day, you may need the services provided by demoness....
I have great respect for all our front line people and if demoness is one then I do for what she does and not her views. What I cannot stand is the recent delutions of grandure some of the public sector workers have displayed with regards to pensions etc during these times of hardship that has seen decent people not in the public sector have their pensions ripped apart and can do nothing about it but public sector hold these very people to ransom who bring money into the country that pays for these people's wages! Demoness just happens to be a public sector worker whos views irritate me and hence the clash! Nothing more.
This is what is confusing. Despite Demoness working in the public sector, her first post was displaying an annoyance/dislike of the public sector workers who went on strike.

So you both have the same views it seems.
No.... I said that I did not have time for my colleagues that went on strike over pensions - we are darn lucky to have a pension and I can assure you that there are a lot of PS workers who feel the same as me.
Please do not presume to put words in my mouth or make assumptions about my beliefs.
[quote][p][bold]Slacker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A VOTER[/bold] wrote: Tigeran, There are many bad public sector workers, and there are many good public sector workers. Some of the good public sector workers will move heaven and earth to do great things. Sometimes you will rely on public sector workers to keep you safe, to protect you, to rescue you, or to save your life. Without these dedicated people, all of our lives would be very different. One day, you may need the services provided by demoness....[/p][/quote]I have great respect for all our front line people and if demoness is one then I do for what she does and not her views. What I cannot stand is the recent delutions of grandure some of the public sector workers have displayed with regards to pensions etc during these times of hardship that has seen decent people not in the public sector have their pensions ripped apart and can do nothing about it but public sector hold these very people to ransom who bring money into the country that pays for these people's wages! Demoness just happens to be a public sector worker whos views irritate me and hence the clash! Nothing more.[/p][/quote]This is what is confusing. Despite Demoness working in the public sector, her first post was displaying an annoyance/dislike of the public sector workers who went on strike. So you both have the same views it seems.[/p][/quote]No.... I said that I did not have time for my colleagues that went on strike over pensions - we are darn lucky to have a pension and I can assure you that there are a lot of PS workers who feel the same as me. Please do not presume to put words in my mouth or make assumptions about my beliefs. demoness the second

10:38am Mon 9 Jul 12

tigeran says...

Slacker wrote:
tigeran wrote:
A VOTER wrote:
Tigeran,
There are many bad public sector workers, and there are many good public sector workers. Some of the good public sector workers will move heaven and earth to do great things. Sometimes you will rely on public sector workers to keep you safe, to protect you, to rescue you, or to save your life. Without these dedicated people, all of our lives would be very different. One day, you may need the services provided by demoness....
I have great respect for all our front line people and if demoness is one then I do for what she does and not her views. What I cannot stand is the recent delutions of grandure some of the public sector workers have displayed with regards to pensions etc during these times of hardship that has seen decent people not in the public sector have their pensions ripped apart and can do nothing about it but public sector hold these very people to ransom who bring money into the country that pays for these people's wages! Demoness just happens to be a public sector worker whos views irritate me and hence the clash! Nothing more.
This is what is confusing. Despite Demoness working in the public sector, her first post was displaying an annoyance/dislike of the public sector workers who went on strike.

So you both have the same views it seems.
It also seems you dont know what you are talking about.
[quote][p][bold]Slacker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A VOTER[/bold] wrote: Tigeran, There are many bad public sector workers, and there are many good public sector workers. Some of the good public sector workers will move heaven and earth to do great things. Sometimes you will rely on public sector workers to keep you safe, to protect you, to rescue you, or to save your life. Without these dedicated people, all of our lives would be very different. One day, you may need the services provided by demoness....[/p][/quote]I have great respect for all our front line people and if demoness is one then I do for what she does and not her views. What I cannot stand is the recent delutions of grandure some of the public sector workers have displayed with regards to pensions etc during these times of hardship that has seen decent people not in the public sector have their pensions ripped apart and can do nothing about it but public sector hold these very people to ransom who bring money into the country that pays for these people's wages! Demoness just happens to be a public sector worker whos views irritate me and hence the clash! Nothing more.[/p][/quote]This is what is confusing. Despite Demoness working in the public sector, her first post was displaying an annoyance/dislike of the public sector workers who went on strike. So you both have the same views it seems.[/p][/quote]It also seems you dont know what you are talking about. tigeran

6:45pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Slacker says...

demoness the second wrote:
Slacker wrote:
tigeran wrote:
A VOTER wrote:
Tigeran,
There are many bad public sector workers, and there are many good public sector workers. Some of the good public sector workers will move heaven and earth to do great things. Sometimes you will rely on public sector workers to keep you safe, to protect you, to rescue you, or to save your life. Without these dedicated people, all of our lives would be very different. One day, you may need the services provided by demoness....
I have great respect for all our front line people and if demoness is one then I do for what she does and not her views. What I cannot stand is the recent delutions of grandure some of the public sector workers have displayed with regards to pensions etc during these times of hardship that has seen decent people not in the public sector have their pensions ripped apart and can do nothing about it but public sector hold these very people to ransom who bring money into the country that pays for these people's wages! Demoness just happens to be a public sector worker whos views irritate me and hence the clash! Nothing more.
This is what is confusing. Despite Demoness working in the public sector, her first post was displaying an annoyance/dislike of the public sector workers who went on strike.

So you both have the same views it seems.
No.... I said that I did not have time for my colleagues that went on strike over pensions - we are darn lucky to have a pension and I can assure you that there are a lot of PS workers who feel the same as me.
Please do not presume to put words in my mouth or make assumptions about my beliefs.
That was a bit unexpected especially considering I was defending you earlier. Okay I may have got that little bit wrong, but you still both have no time for them.

I was trying to help ease things between you both as the flames were getting hotter. Seems its just a waste time. I have finished with this thread now. Good luck.
[quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slacker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A VOTER[/bold] wrote: Tigeran, There are many bad public sector workers, and there are many good public sector workers. Some of the good public sector workers will move heaven and earth to do great things. Sometimes you will rely on public sector workers to keep you safe, to protect you, to rescue you, or to save your life. Without these dedicated people, all of our lives would be very different. One day, you may need the services provided by demoness....[/p][/quote]I have great respect for all our front line people and if demoness is one then I do for what she does and not her views. What I cannot stand is the recent delutions of grandure some of the public sector workers have displayed with regards to pensions etc during these times of hardship that has seen decent people not in the public sector have their pensions ripped apart and can do nothing about it but public sector hold these very people to ransom who bring money into the country that pays for these people's wages! Demoness just happens to be a public sector worker whos views irritate me and hence the clash! Nothing more.[/p][/quote]This is what is confusing. Despite Demoness working in the public sector, her first post was displaying an annoyance/dislike of the public sector workers who went on strike. So you both have the same views it seems.[/p][/quote]No.... I said that I did not have time for my colleagues that went on strike over pensions - we are darn lucky to have a pension and I can assure you that there are a lot of PS workers who feel the same as me. Please do not presume to put words in my mouth or make assumptions about my beliefs.[/p][/quote]That was a bit unexpected especially considering I was defending you earlier. Okay I may have got that little bit wrong, but you still both have no time for them. I was trying to help ease things between you both as the flames were getting hotter. Seems its just a waste time. I have finished with this thread now. Good luck. Slacker

7:33pm Mon 9 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

Slacker wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
Slacker wrote:
tigeran wrote:
A VOTER wrote:
Tigeran,
There are many bad public sector workers, and there are many good public sector workers. Some of the good public sector workers will move heaven and earth to do great things. Sometimes you will rely on public sector workers to keep you safe, to protect you, to rescue you, or to save your life. Without these dedicated people, all of our lives would be very different. One day, you may need the services provided by demoness....
I have great respect for all our front line people and if demoness is one then I do for what she does and not her views. What I cannot stand is the recent delutions of grandure some of the public sector workers have displayed with regards to pensions etc during these times of hardship that has seen decent people not in the public sector have their pensions ripped apart and can do nothing about it but public sector hold these very people to ransom who bring money into the country that pays for these people's wages! Demoness just happens to be a public sector worker whos views irritate me and hence the clash! Nothing more.
This is what is confusing. Despite Demoness working in the public sector, her first post was displaying an annoyance/dislike of the public sector workers who went on strike.

So you both have the same views it seems.
No.... I said that I did not have time for my colleagues that went on strike over pensions - we are darn lucky to have a pension and I can assure you that there are a lot of PS workers who feel the same as me.
Please do not presume to put words in my mouth or make assumptions about my beliefs.
That was a bit unexpected especially considering I was defending you earlier. Okay I may have got that little bit wrong, but you still both have no time for them.

I was trying to help ease things between you both as the flames were getting hotter. Seems its just a waste time. I have finished with this thread now. Good luck.
Sorry Slacker - I should have read back- yes you were defending me.
I just did not want you to think I had the same views as Tigeran!
Sometimes the written word can be misinterpreted. A HUGE apology :))))
[quote][p][bold]Slacker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slacker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A VOTER[/bold] wrote: Tigeran, There are many bad public sector workers, and there are many good public sector workers. Some of the good public sector workers will move heaven and earth to do great things. Sometimes you will rely on public sector workers to keep you safe, to protect you, to rescue you, or to save your life. Without these dedicated people, all of our lives would be very different. One day, you may need the services provided by demoness....[/p][/quote]I have great respect for all our front line people and if demoness is one then I do for what she does and not her views. What I cannot stand is the recent delutions of grandure some of the public sector workers have displayed with regards to pensions etc during these times of hardship that has seen decent people not in the public sector have their pensions ripped apart and can do nothing about it but public sector hold these very people to ransom who bring money into the country that pays for these people's wages! Demoness just happens to be a public sector worker whos views irritate me and hence the clash! Nothing more.[/p][/quote]This is what is confusing. Despite Demoness working in the public sector, her first post was displaying an annoyance/dislike of the public sector workers who went on strike. So you both have the same views it seems.[/p][/quote]No.... I said that I did not have time for my colleagues that went on strike over pensions - we are darn lucky to have a pension and I can assure you that there are a lot of PS workers who feel the same as me. Please do not presume to put words in my mouth or make assumptions about my beliefs.[/p][/quote]That was a bit unexpected especially considering I was defending you earlier. Okay I may have got that little bit wrong, but you still both have no time for them. I was trying to help ease things between you both as the flames were getting hotter. Seems its just a waste time. I have finished with this thread now. Good luck.[/p][/quote]Sorry Slacker - I should have read back- yes you were defending me. I just did not want you to think I had the same views as Tigeran! Sometimes the written word can be misinterpreted. A HUGE apology :)))) demoness the second

7:41pm Mon 9 Jul 12

Slacker says...

Im back!

Its okay I have done the same myself before.

My point was that you both disliked the strikers (as minor or as big as the dislike may be) so I was confused as to why there were hammer blows.

I blame the weather.
Im back! Its okay I have done the same myself before. My point was that you both disliked the strikers (as minor or as big as the dislike may be) so I was confused as to why there were hammer blows. I blame the weather. Slacker

8:44pm Mon 9 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

Slacker wrote:
Im back!

Its okay I have done the same myself before.

My point was that you both disliked the strikers (as minor or as big as the dislike may be) so I was confused as to why there were hammer blows.

I blame the weather.
Flipping weather!
My main problem with Tigeran is that he tars every single PS worker with the same brush and without knowing one thing about me, has made some pretty nasty and personal accusations.
I do think that in this climate we should be grateful for having a job and a pension but blaming the PS for all the economy's ills is just not on.
Particularly in light of all of the tax fiddles from very rich folk an d the banking scandals.

Billions of tax payers money went into bailing the banks out.
And yet Tigeran has had nothing to say about that.
[quote][p][bold]Slacker[/bold] wrote: Im back! Its okay I have done the same myself before. My point was that you both disliked the strikers (as minor or as big as the dislike may be) so I was confused as to why there were hammer blows. I blame the weather.[/p][/quote]Flipping weather! My main problem with Tigeran is that he tars every single PS worker with the same brush and without knowing one thing about me, has made some pretty nasty and personal accusations. I do think that in this climate we should be grateful for having a job and a pension but blaming the PS for all the economy's ills is just not on. Particularly in light of all of the tax fiddles from very rich folk an d the banking scandals. Billions of tax payers money went into bailing the banks out. And yet Tigeran has had nothing to say about that. demoness the second

9:46pm Mon 9 Jul 12

tom.marlow2 says...

And, as in all likelihood, if those banks had been allowed to go titsup, chances are he would be waving goodbye to his private sector pension.

So really the taxpayer is bankrolling his pension too.
And, as in all likelihood, if those banks had been allowed to go titsup, chances are he would be waving goodbye to his private sector pension. So really the taxpayer is bankrolling his pension too. tom.marlow2

10:07pm Mon 9 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

tom.marlow2 wrote:
And, as in all likelihood, if those banks had been allowed to go titsup, chances are he would be waving goodbye to his private sector pension.

So really the taxpayer is bankrolling his pension too.
:))))

No words Tom. :)))
[quote][p][bold]tom.marlow2[/bold] wrote: And, as in all likelihood, if those banks had been allowed to go titsup, chances are he would be waving goodbye to his private sector pension. So really the taxpayer is bankrolling his pension too.[/p][/quote]:)))) No words Tom. :))) demoness the second

12:08pm Tue 10 Jul 12

tigeran says...

demoness the second wrote:
tom.marlow2 wrote:
And, as in all likelihood, if those banks had been allowed to go titsup, chances are he would be waving goodbye to his private sector pension.

So really the taxpayer is bankrolling his pension too.
:))))

No words Tom. :)))
Yep! But as a private sector worker I dont have the likes of me, the private sector worker to fall back on like the public sector worker! Public sector have it SOOOOOO easy!!!
[quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tom.marlow2[/bold] wrote: And, as in all likelihood, if those banks had been allowed to go titsup, chances are he would be waving goodbye to his private sector pension. So really the taxpayer is bankrolling his pension too.[/p][/quote]:)))) No words Tom. :)))[/p][/quote]Yep! But as a private sector worker I dont have the likes of me, the private sector worker to fall back on like the public sector worker! Public sector have it SOOOOOO easy!!! tigeran

4:02pm Tue 10 Jul 12

tom.marlow2 says...

tigeran wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
tom.marlow2 wrote:
And, as in all likelihood, if those banks had been allowed to go titsup, chances are he would be waving goodbye to his private sector pension.

So really the taxpayer is bankrolling his pension too.
:))))

No words Tom. :)))
Yep! But as a private sector worker I dont have the likes of me, the private sector worker to fall back on like the public sector worker! Public sector have it SOOOOOO easy!!!
Your fallback is the taxpayer, which includes both public sector and private sector workers.

In fact everyone other than those who go out of their way to dodge paying tax.
[quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tom.marlow2[/bold] wrote: And, as in all likelihood, if those banks had been allowed to go titsup, chances are he would be waving goodbye to his private sector pension. So really the taxpayer is bankrolling his pension too.[/p][/quote]:)))) No words Tom. :)))[/p][/quote]Yep! But as a private sector worker I dont have the likes of me, the private sector worker to fall back on like the public sector worker! Public sector have it SOOOOOO easy!!![/p][/quote]Your fallback is the taxpayer, which includes both public sector and private sector workers. In fact everyone other than those who go out of their way to dodge paying tax. tom.marlow2

9:09pm Tue 10 Jul 12

demoness the second says...

tigeran wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
tom.marlow2 wrote:
And, as in all likelihood, if those banks had been allowed to go titsup, chances are he would be waving goodbye to his private sector pension.

So really the taxpayer is bankrolling his pension too.
:))))

No words Tom. :)))
Yep! But as a private sector worker I dont have the likes of me, the private sector worker to fall back on like the public sector worker! Public sector have it SOOOOOO easy!!!
*heads desk*
[quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tom.marlow2[/bold] wrote: And, as in all likelihood, if those banks had been allowed to go titsup, chances are he would be waving goodbye to his private sector pension. So really the taxpayer is bankrolling his pension too.[/p][/quote]:)))) No words Tom. :)))[/p][/quote]Yep! But as a private sector worker I dont have the likes of me, the private sector worker to fall back on like the public sector worker! Public sector have it SOOOOOO easy!!![/p][/quote]*heads desk* demoness the second

9:46am Thu 12 Jul 12

tigeran says...

tom.marlow2 wrote:
tigeran wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
tom.marlow2 wrote:
And, as in all likelihood, if those banks had been allowed to go titsup, chances are he would be waving goodbye to his private sector pension.

So really the taxpayer is bankrolling his pension too.
:))))

No words Tom. :)))
Yep! But as a private sector worker I dont have the likes of me, the private sector worker to fall back on like the public sector worker! Public sector have it SOOOOOO easy!!!
Your fallback is the taxpayer, which includes both public sector and private sector workers.

In fact everyone other than those who go out of their way to dodge paying tax.
No its not the taxpayer, its the PRIVATE sector, you know the ones who make the money and enables the public sector to function. You really are a bit slow at times!!
[quote][p][bold]tom.marlow2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tom.marlow2[/bold] wrote: And, as in all likelihood, if those banks had been allowed to go titsup, chances are he would be waving goodbye to his private sector pension. So really the taxpayer is bankrolling his pension too.[/p][/quote]:)))) No words Tom. :)))[/p][/quote]Yep! But as a private sector worker I dont have the likes of me, the private sector worker to fall back on like the public sector worker! Public sector have it SOOOOOO easy!!![/p][/quote]Your fallback is the taxpayer, which includes both public sector and private sector workers. In fact everyone other than those who go out of their way to dodge paying tax.[/p][/quote]No its not the taxpayer, its the PRIVATE sector, you know the ones who make the money and enables the public sector to function. You really are a bit slow at times!! tigeran

1:16pm Thu 12 Jul 12

tom.marlow2 says...

tigeran wrote:
tom.marlow2 wrote:
tigeran wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
tom.marlow2 wrote:
And, as in all likelihood, if those banks had been allowed to go titsup, chances are he would be waving goodbye to his private sector pension.

So really the taxpayer is bankrolling his pension too.
:))))

No words Tom. :)))
Yep! But as a private sector worker I dont have the likes of me, the private sector worker to fall back on like the public sector worker! Public sector have it SOOOOOO easy!!!
Your fallback is the taxpayer, which includes both public sector and private sector workers.

In fact everyone other than those who go out of their way to dodge paying tax.
No its not the taxpayer, its the PRIVATE sector, you know the ones who make the money and enables the public sector to function. You really are a bit slow at times!!
Yeah sorry, I've been so busy looking at my tax bill, that I didnt notice the money my company is paying to the public sector.

I must pay more attention
[quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tom.marlow2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tom.marlow2[/bold] wrote: And, as in all likelihood, if those banks had been allowed to go titsup, chances are he would be waving goodbye to his private sector pension. So really the taxpayer is bankrolling his pension too.[/p][/quote]:)))) No words Tom. :)))[/p][/quote]Yep! But as a private sector worker I dont have the likes of me, the private sector worker to fall back on like the public sector worker! Public sector have it SOOOOOO easy!!![/p][/quote]Your fallback is the taxpayer, which includes both public sector and private sector workers. In fact everyone other than those who go out of their way to dodge paying tax.[/p][/quote]No its not the taxpayer, its the PRIVATE sector, you know the ones who make the money and enables the public sector to function. You really are a bit slow at times!![/p][/quote]Yeah sorry, I've been so busy looking at my tax bill, that I didnt notice the money my company is paying to the public sector. I must pay more attention tom.marlow2

1:33pm Thu 12 Jul 12

tigeran says...

tom.marlow2 wrote:
tigeran wrote:
tom.marlow2 wrote:
tigeran wrote:
demoness the second wrote:
tom.marlow2 wrote:
And, as in all likelihood, if those banks had been allowed to go titsup, chances are he would be waving goodbye to his private sector pension.

So really the taxpayer is bankrolling his pension too.
:))))

No words Tom. :)))
Yep! But as a private sector worker I dont have the likes of me, the private sector worker to fall back on like the public sector worker! Public sector have it SOOOOOO easy!!!
Your fallback is the taxpayer, which includes both public sector and private sector workers.

In fact everyone other than those who go out of their way to dodge paying tax.
No its not the taxpayer, its the PRIVATE sector, you know the ones who make the money and enables the public sector to function. You really are a bit slow at times!!
Yeah sorry, I've been so busy looking at my tax bill, that I didnt notice the money my company is paying to the public sector.

I must pay more attention
Oh dear, your not very clued up are you?!!!! This is how it works.......Nah forget it, you obviously wont be able to understand.
[quote][p][bold]tom.marlow2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tom.marlow2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tigeran[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]demoness the second[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tom.marlow2[/bold] wrote: And, as in all likelihood, if those banks had been allowed to go titsup, chances are he would be waving goodbye to his private sector pension. So really the taxpayer is bankrolling his pension too.[/p][/quote]:)))) No words Tom. :)))[/p][/quote]Yep! But as a private sector worker I dont have the likes of me, the private sector worker to fall back on like the public sector worker! Public sector have it SOOOOOO easy!!![/p][/quote]Your fallback is the taxpayer, which includes both public sector and private sector workers. In fact everyone other than those who go out of their way to dodge paying tax.[/p][/quote]No its not the taxpayer, its the PRIVATE sector, you know the ones who make the money and enables the public sector to function. You really are a bit slow at times!![/p][/quote]Yeah sorry, I've been so busy looking at my tax bill, that I didnt notice the money my company is paying to the public sector. I must pay more attention[/p][/quote]Oh dear, your not very clued up are you?!!!! This is how it works.......Nah forget it, you obviously wont be able to understand. tigeran

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