Travellers move onto Kingsmead ground (From Bucks Free Press)

blueskythinking says...
5:03pm Fri 20 Jul 12

"Grace said: "It is nice. It is going to be hot tomorrow so we needed to find somewhere nice." "

Correction, it was going to be nice here tomorrow but it's not now!

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tigeran says...
5:08pm Fri 20 Jul 12

Wait for the rubbish, sewage and stolen items they dont need to be left strewn all over the place. Horrible people.

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williamjames says...
5:24pm Fri 20 Jul 12

If they wish to drop out of society then they are free so to do. BUT they must not break the law, trespass or put their hands out for benefits from the law abiding, hardworking majority.

I am going to make sure that my premises are secure.

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Readerabc123 says...
5:34pm Fri 20 Jul 12

There are a load of caravans in the car park at Handy Cross cinema as well...

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gungun says...
5:58pm Fri 20 Jul 12

Yeah its gonna be nice for all of us weather wise - just that most of us will stay where we are, paying our taxes, tidying our own rubbish away and making sure our hard earned goods are not pilfered away by some tax dodging caravan habiting low life.

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Flackwell boy says...
6:13pm Fri 20 Jul 12

You need to do some research 98% of crime is done by the none gypsy Community

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MrsFBucks says...
6:36pm Fri 20 Jul 12

Flackwell boy wrote:
You need to do some research 98% of crime is done by the none gypsy Community

http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
1195205/Conviction-t
ravelling-family-red
uces-crime-rate-coun
ty-20-year-low.html

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demoness the second says...
8:54pm Fri 20 Jul 12

I have no idea re the crime etc - all I know is that they make a mess.
I don't think they would have half the opposition if they respected the area they went to, and tidied up after themselves.
But the rubbish that they leave is disgusting - and then they expect others to tidy up after them.

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wycswan says...
9:05pm Fri 20 Jul 12

Oh dear 'Pot calling the Kettle Black' springs to mind.
There are good and bad in all people groups.
Perhaps some of you should take a look at yourself before judging others. Some of your comments don't make you appear particularly pleasant people.

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Flackwell boy says...
9:14pm Fri 20 Jul 12

I no sum times this is ture but there is good and bed in every Community and every race I just don't like every one being tired with the same brush it is not fare i no a lot of family's from all races and Iv come across good and bad

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Flackwell boy says...
9:15pm Fri 20 Jul 12

wycswan wrote:
Oh dear 'Pot calling the Kettle Black' springs to mind.
There are good and bad in all people groups.
Perhaps some of you should take a look at yourself before judging others. Some of your comments don't make you appear particularly pleasant people.

So true my friend

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geoffW says...
9:32pm Fri 20 Jul 12

"Grace said: "It is nice. It is going to be hot tomorrow"
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Good day to get the combine harvesters out into the fields.

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demoness the second says...
9:55pm Fri 20 Jul 12

MrsFBucks wrote:

Flackwell boy wrote:
You need to do some research 98% of crime is done by the none gypsy Community
http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/news/article-

1195205/Conviction-t

ravelling-family-red

uces-crime-rate-coun

ty-20-year-low.html

Oh dear...
It's in the Daily Mail.
So it must be true! :))))

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yog says...
11:33pm Fri 20 Jul 12

If Councils provided enough official sites then maybe they wouldn't need to just pitch up anywhere.

There is bad in every community it makes you sound ignorant to judge them all by a stereotypical image.

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townraider says...
11:42pm Fri 20 Jul 12

i was in kingsmead earlier -- Was verbally abused by the travellers -- not a nice bunch

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Flackwell boy says...
11:44pm Fri 20 Jul 12

yog wrote:
If Councils provided enough official sites then maybe they wouldn't need to just pitch up anywhere.

There is bad in every community it makes you sound ignorant to judge them all by a stereotypical image.

Iv just looked on the net and there is no wear for them to go in Buckinghamshire English Gyspys got no wear to go but a we can find room for 1000s of none English family's but not true English family's makes me sick

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Flackwell boy says...
11:47pm Fri 20 Jul 12

Flackwell boy wrote:

tigeran wrote:

wycswan wrote:
Oh dear 'Pot calling the Kettle Black' springs to mind.
There are good and bad in all people groups.
Perhaps some of you should take a look at yourself before judging others. Some of your comments don't make you appear particularly pleasant people.
Are you a pykie too then? Tell you what why not invite them onto your land for the weekend then? Oh of ,course two faced do gooders like you and flackwell boy are full of sh*t!
If they was on hear running you down or dear I say being racist towards the black or Asian Community you all would be doing your nut but it is ok for to be racist towards them **** grow up

What you have to say to them or was you steering as if they were aliens ?

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Wycombebornandbread says...
1:29am Sat 21 Jul 12

They are right outside my flat and are noisy and totally disrespectful they have dogs running around and they are not picking up after them and they were driving around the park. How on earth did they get in they must have broke the lock there is also more of them at cressex in a carpark that has height restriction barriers and caravans shouldn't fit under them unless they tampered with them they are disrespectful and need to move on

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osmith says...
3:09am Sat 21 Jul 12

I have already heard negative feedback on this group from several nearby homeowners.
I wonder how interested VOSA would be in some tax cross-referencing and vehicle inspection.
I'll give you 15 to 1 if all of the vehicles are displaying valid tax!

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ThePedant says...
6:06am Sat 21 Jul 12

Flackwell boy wrote:
You need to do some research 98% of crime is done by the none gypsy Community

Maybe so but given that "travellers" represent less than 2% of the population, this means that they are statistically more likely to commit criminal offences than anyone else.

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Brian JM says...
9:03am Sat 21 Jul 12

Crikey, message goes up Friday tea-time and by Saturday breakfast 27 responses have been posted - make that 28. I guess if a purpose-built site were provided it would not be quite as idyllic as Kingsmead. Just a thought.

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hm1 says...
9:06am Sat 21 Jul 12

I don't know about all the crime stats being thrown around but this lot ARE breaking the law as we speak by being there.

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misty8 says...
10:25am Sat 21 Jul 12

this is interesting- many moons ago my late hubby was plumbing a bungalow close to a camp- all the pipes/ rads /new boiler went missing over 1 week-end from i add a very secure lock up- a police call later to report- but alas nothing appeared so hubby paid a visit to said campment- with a jcb- and pulled up at first caravan asking for his heating materials to be returned- foloed by if they dont this caravan is going to rock and roll and he meant it- needless to say most not all materials appeared if by magic- of course no 1 new anything- my hubby was charged with criminal intent which was later dropped- a case of 1 law to 1 and a 1 law to another???

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sai-diva says...
10:41am Sat 21 Jul 12

Object to their behaviour, object to their lifestyle choices, but when you start using phrases like 'Pykie' and 'Scum' 'thieving scum bags' then you cross a line. None of you would dream of using the same names in reference to other minorities (at least not on here). There is no where for them to go,they are pushed from pillar to post, ostracised,villified by our 'civilsed society'. Use the powers that be to get them shifted,campaign for somewhere for them to move to,or for changes in the law, but name calling is the behaviour of the playground, you should be ashamed.

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The New Girl says...
10:51am Sat 21 Jul 12

me and my friends go there regularly and now we won't feel safe with them there

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banknote says...
10:57am Sat 21 Jul 12

By the comment, this looks like the lot we have entertained here in Dorset.

Prediction. They will leave a unholy mess, which the Council Tax payers in High Wycombe will have to foot the bill.

It is really about time that there with strictly enforced laws stopping this from happening. Comments like sai-diva above are wrong headed. How would he/she like unauthorised "visitors" on their land?

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sai-diva says...
12:26pm Sat 21 Jul 12

Kingsmead, in one sense is 'my land' I don't object to the objections,I object to the manner in which they are made.
If you read my post i encourage you to lobby for change using due process, not just hurl abuse
Just out of interest, where would you suggest that they go?

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BOOKERite says...
12:42pm Sat 21 Jul 12

sai-diva wrote:
Object to their behaviour, object to their lifestyle choices, but when you start using phrases like 'Pykie' and 'Scum' 'thieving scum bags' then you cross a line. None of you would dream of using the same names in reference to other minorities (at least not on here). There is no where for them to go,they are pushed from pillar to post, ostracised,villified by our 'civilsed society'. Use the powers that be to get them shifted,campaign for somewhere for them to move to,or for changes in the law, but name calling is the behaviour of the playground, you should be ashamed.

What do you mean 'there is nowhere for them to go'. Many of the Irish Travellers, which I believe the ones up at Cressex are, have their own homes back in Ireland, they are just off for their summer holidays - most caravaners pay fees - not this lot! Some of them have permanent sites but want to travel around causing meyhem, using the bushes and woods as their toilet, dumping their rubbish, and ill treating their dogs.
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Also ask the people who work at Asda if they are honest, they have to put up with the shoplifting, especially the very young children who are taught to steel from the time they can toddle. I have seen this happen.
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They are aggressive, the Police refuse to go anywhere near them, HMRC turn a blind eye to them not paying their taxes DVLC don't check to see if their vehicles are taxed.
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I wonder if you would still feel the same if they set up camp at the bottom of your garden. I very much doubt it.

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wycswan says...
1:06pm Sat 21 Jul 12

sai-diva wrote:
Object to their behaviour, object to their lifestyle choices, but when you start using phrases like 'Pykie' and 'Scum' 'thieving scum bags' then you cross a line. None of you would dream of using the same names in reference to other minorities (at least not on here). There is no where for them to go,they are pushed from pillar to post, ostracised,villified by our 'civilsed society'. Use the powers that be to get them shifted,campaign for somewhere for them to move to,or for changes in the law, but name calling is the behaviour of the playground, you should be ashamed.

I totally agree with you sai-diver and that is my point.
Tigerann I am not either of those insulting words you used, neither am I a gypsy or traveller, but I do know many perfectly good kind and law abiding gypsies who I am proud to call friends.
My point is don't name call and insult a whole people group just because there are some bad folks amongst them. otherwise you'd better start looking at your own kind as there are always some who would shame us. Just think back to last August,amongst those rioting were people of all creeds and colours and origins.

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sai-diva says...
3:56pm Sat 21 Jul 12

BOOKERite wrote:

sai-diva wrote:
Object to their behaviour, object to their lifestyle choices, but when you start using phrases like 'Pykie' and 'Scum' 'thieving scum bags' then you cross a line. None of you would dream of using the same names in reference to other minorities (at least not on here). There is no where for them to go,they are pushed from pillar to post, ostracised,villified by our 'civilsed society'. Use the powers that be to get them shifted,campaign for somewhere for them to move to,or for changes in the law, but name calling is the behaviour of the playground, you should be ashamed.
What do you mean 'there is nowhere for them to go'. Many of the Irish Travellers, which I believe the ones up at Cressex are, have their own homes back in Ireland, they are just off for their summer holidays - most caravaners pay fees - not this lot! Some of them have permanent sites but want to travel around causing meyhem, using the bushes and woods as their toilet, dumping their rubbish, and ill treating their dogs.
.
Also ask the people who work at Asda if they are honest, they have to put up with the shoplifting, especially the very young children who are taught to steel from the time they can toddle. I have seen this happen.
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They are aggressive, the Police refuse to go anywhere near them, HMRC turn a blind eye to them not paying their taxes DVLC don't check to see if their vehicles are taxed.
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I wonder if you would still feel the same if they set up camp at the bottom of your garden. I very much doubt it.

Please enlighten me and tell me where I can view the evidence that they all have homes back in Ireland.
You say that 'some' of them have permanent sites, do you know what proportion have a permanent site? what about those who don't, where do they go?There certainly aren't enough sites in bucks for them, and no provision is being made for them either. Are you of the opinion, often voiced on here that travellers should travel?or do you want to see them driven off of the road and onto traveller ghettos? Do please tell me what your solution is to the lack of permanent sites.
I have seen examples of the behaviour you site amongst 'fixed' estate dwellers, are they to be abused as well?
Why ask a question if you already seem to know the answer? Some travellers are lovely some aren't so I can't answer that one.

[quote][p][bold]BOOKERite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sai-diva[/bold] wrote: Object to their behaviour, object to their lifestyle choices, but when you start using phrases like 'Pykie' and 'Scum' 'thieving scum bags' then you cross a line. None of you would dream of using the same names in reference to other minorities (at least not on here). There is no where for them to go,they are pushed from pillar to post, ostracised,villified by our 'civilsed society'. Use the powers that be to get them shifted,campaign for somewhere for them to move to,or for changes in the law, but name calling is the behaviour of the playground, you should be ashamed.[/p][/quote]What do you mean 'there is nowhere for them to go'. Many of the Irish Travellers, which I believe the ones up at Cressex are, have their own homes back in Ireland, they are just off for their summer holidays - most caravaners pay fees - not this lot! Some of them have permanent sites but want to travel around causing meyhem, using the bushes and woods as their toilet, dumping their rubbish, and ill treating their dogs. . Also ask the people who work at Asda if they are honest, they have to put up with the shoplifting, especially the very young children who are taught to steel from the time they can toddle. I have seen this happen. . They are aggressive, the Police refuse to go anywhere near them, HMRC turn a blind eye to them not paying their taxes DVLC don't check to see if their vehicles are taxed. . I wonder if you would still feel the same if they set up camp at the bottom of your garden. I very much doubt it.[/p][/quote]Please enlighten me and tell me where I can view the evidence that they all have homes back in Ireland. You say that 'some' of them have permanent sites, do you know what proportion have a permanent site? what about those who don't, where do they go?There certainly aren't enough sites in bucks for them, and no provision is being made for them either. Are you of the opinion, often voiced on here that travellers should travel?or do you want to see them driven off of the road and onto traveller ghettos? Do please tell me what your solution is to the lack of permanent sites. I have seen examples of the behaviour you site amongst 'fixed' estate dwellers, are they to be abused as well? Why ask a question if you already seem to know the answer? Some travellers are lovely some aren't so I can't answer that one. sai-diva

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banknote says...
4:16pm Sat 21 Jul 12

To those who have posted supporting the "travellers", I would ask the following:-

Would you be happy to have uninvited visitors on your property?

Are you prepared to clean-up the mess that is left behind?

Are you happy that these people think that they are above the law of the land. Laws which most folk observe?

As I previously commented. If they are the same group who have travelled from Dorset, then the High Wycombe local tax payers will have to pay for the clear-up once they have gone. Down here in Dorset they have illegally camped in Portland, Weymouth, Poundbury and Poole - and in each case have left a terrible mess which the Councils and individuals have had to clear up. Is that really fair on the rest of the population?

Regarding comments on where should they go - the majority of these "travellers" are from the the Republic of Ireland. That is their so-called home. Perhaps it is time to introduce passports between the Irish Republic and the United Kingdom?

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Flackwell boy says...
4:39pm Sat 21 Jul 12

We are in 2012 we welcome people from all over the world but can not leave English born and breed people alone and who gives a f##k if they got a site to go to any way it is down to them if they want to show there children the way of life of there race

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Flackwell boy says...
4:39pm Sat 21 Jul 12

We are in 2012 we welcome people from all over the world but can not leave English born and breed people alone and who gives a f##k if they got a site to go to any way it is down to them if they want to show there children the way of life of there race

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banknote says...
5:33pm Sat 21 Jul 12

Flackwell boy wrote:
We are in 2012 we welcome people from all over the world but can not leave English born and breed people alone and who gives a f##k if they got a site to go to any way it is down to them if they want to show there children the way of life of there race

I really do think that you should check your grammar, spelling and stop swearing before trying, repeat trying, to make a point.

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townraider says...
6:30pm Sat 21 Jul 12

I have a sense that we may have some travellers on this BLOG -- some names i havnt seen before !!! In support if travellers !!

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wycombeboy says...
6:55pm Sat 21 Jul 12

Flackwell boy wrote:
You need to do some research 98% of crime is done by the none gypsy Community

What rubbish. They are a mobile crime wave and they always have been. Anti-social pests, a bit like an infestation of rats.

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BOOKERite says...
8:05pm Sat 21 Jul 12

sai-diva wrote:

BOOKERite wrote:

sai-diva wrote:
Object to their behaviour, object to their lifestyle choices, but when you start using phrases like 'Pykie' and 'Scum' 'thieving scum bags' then you cross a line. None of you would dream of using the same names in reference to other minorities (at least not on here). There is no where for them to go,they are pushed from pillar to post, ostracised,villified by our 'civilsed society'. Use the powers that be to get them shifted,campaign for somewhere for them to move to,or for changes in the law, but name calling is the behaviour of the playground, you should be ashamed.
What do you mean 'there is nowhere for them to go'. Many of the Irish Travellers, which I believe the ones up at Cressex are, have their own homes back in Ireland, they are just off for their summer holidays - most caravaners pay fees - not this lot! Some of them have permanent sites but want to travel around causing meyhem, using the bushes and woods as their toilet, dumping their rubbish, and ill treating their dogs.
.
Also ask the people who work at Asda if they are honest, they have to put up with the shoplifting, especially the very young children who are taught to steel from the time they can toddle. I have seen this happen.
.
They are aggressive, the Police refuse to go anywhere near them, HMRC turn a blind eye to them not paying their taxes DVLC don't check to see if their vehicles are taxed.
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I wonder if you would still feel the same if they set up camp at the bottom of your garden. I very much doubt it.
Please enlighten me and tell me where I can view the evidence that they all have homes back in Ireland.
You say that 'some' of them have permanent sites, do you know what proportion have a permanent site? what about those who don't, where do they go?There certainly aren't enough sites in bucks for them, and no provision is being made for them either. Are you of the opinion, often voiced on here that travellers should travel?or do you want to see them driven off of the road and onto traveller ghettos? Do please tell me what your solution is to the lack of permanent sites.
I have seen examples of the behaviour you site amongst 'fixed' estate dwellers, are they to be abused as well?
Why ask a question if you already seem to know the answer? Some travellers are lovely some aren't so I can't answer that one.

Firstly sai-diva I did not say that 'they all have homes back in Ireland'. I said that many of the Irish Travellers have homes in Ireland, in fact, if you can believe the media a high percentage of the houses in a town called Rathkeale in Ireland are owned by Travellers who spend their time in the summer months over here and go back to Ireland when the weather gets cold. If you know different please tell me.
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Secondly, no I don't know what proportion have permanent sites, once again if you believe the media many of them have, but they prefer to travel especially in the summer months. And I don't believe that there is a lack of permanent sites, if you know differently tell me. Also, I do not want my taxes to pay for sites for them, they earn decent money and pay no taxes why should I support them?
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But perhaps you know some that do pay tax on their earnings, if you do please give me at least one example.

[quote][p][bold]sai-diva[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BOOKERite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sai-diva[/bold] wrote: Object to their behaviour, object to their lifestyle choices, but when you start using phrases like 'Pykie' and 'Scum' 'thieving scum bags' then you cross a line. None of you would dream of using the same names in reference to other minorities (at least not on here). There is no where for them to go,they are pushed from pillar to post, ostracised,villified by our 'civilsed society'. Use the powers that be to get them shifted,campaign for somewhere for them to move to,or for changes in the law, but name calling is the behaviour of the playground, you should be ashamed.[/p][/quote]What do you mean 'there is nowhere for them to go'. Many of the Irish Travellers, which I believe the ones up at Cressex are, have their own homes back in Ireland, they are just off for their summer holidays - most caravaners pay fees - not this lot! Some of them have permanent sites but want to travel around causing meyhem, using the bushes and woods as their toilet, dumping their rubbish, and ill treating their dogs. . Also ask the people who work at Asda if they are honest, they have to put up with the shoplifting, especially the very young children who are taught to steel from the time they can toddle. I have seen this happen. . They are aggressive, the Police refuse to go anywhere near them, HMRC turn a blind eye to them not paying their taxes DVLC don't check to see if their vehicles are taxed. . I wonder if you would still feel the same if they set up camp at the bottom of your garden. I very much doubt it.[/p][/quote]Please enlighten me and tell me where I can view the evidence that they all have homes back in Ireland. You say that 'some' of them have permanent sites, do you know what proportion have a permanent site? what about those who don't, where do they go?There certainly aren't enough sites in bucks for them, and no provision is being made for them either. Are you of the opinion, often voiced on here that travellers should travel?or do you want to see them driven off of the road and onto traveller ghettos? Do please tell me what your solution is to the lack of permanent sites. I have seen examples of the behaviour you site amongst 'fixed' estate dwellers, are they to be abused as well? Why ask a question if you already seem to know the answer? Some travellers are lovely some aren't so I can't answer that one.[/p][/quote]Firstly sai-diva I did not say that 'they all have homes back in Ireland'. I said that many of the Irish Travellers have homes in Ireland, in fact, if you can believe the media a high percentage of the houses in a town called Rathkeale in Ireland are owned by Travellers who spend their time in the summer months over here and go back to Ireland when the weather gets cold. If you know different please tell me. . Secondly, no I don't know what proportion have permanent sites, once again if you believe the media many of them have, but they prefer to travel especially in the summer months. And I don't believe that there is a lack of permanent sites, if you know differently tell me. Also, I do not want my taxes to pay for sites for them, they earn decent money and pay no taxes why should I support them? . But perhaps you know some that do pay tax on their earnings, if you do please give me at least one example. BOOKERite

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J B Blackett says...
8:07pm Sat 21 Jul 12

Score so far -
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Abusers / Foul (?) language usage - 13
Anti 'Traveller' ripostes 11
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The imaginary referee has walk off because it was decided no satisfactory conclusion can be drawn due to lack of any evidence one way or the other.
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You can't beat a good old-fashioned expletive-strewn 'heated debate' can you ?

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