Out of control hedge endangers cyclists on £278k path (From Bucks Free Press)

Cyclists are a menace on our roads, they hold up traffic, think they own the road and are generally a problem for motorists. Roads are meant for cars not human powered pests! If they are worried about the 'cycle path' being over grown why not start a toll for cyclists to pay for it?, They dont pay any road tax.

It's the same all over the county with overgrown cycle paths, bridleways and footpaths. The last time I saw them in this state was shortly after the foot-and-mouth outbreak in 2001/7

I think the contractors are supposed to do 13 cuts per annum but I bet the bad weather has prevented or delayed them.

With regard to helmets I would strongly recommend wearing a helmet for any kind of performance cycling either professional or leisure especially if you have your feet attached to the pedals. The last thing to hit the road should you come a cropper will be your head. However it shouldn't be compulsory to allow others who just use bikes for "pootling" about to not have to conform to overbearing formality in dress. Holland has a lovely approach to cycling which allows both cyclist and drivers to make progress to their destination through lots of dedicated cycle paths which are well maintained. Many cyclists can't use cycle paths in this country because they are full of debris swept from the main road and likely to cause punctures.

Tigeran - LOL - I think you'll find that most cyclists pay road tax already.I do. Should there be a tax for horse riders too? How about a pedestrian tax to pay for those footpaths and pavements? Or even charge pedestrians to walk along the road where no footpath exists and for those pesky pedestrian crossings.

what are you on about tigeran? The cycle path is there to prevent cyclists from having to use the road, thus freeing it up for car drivers. It is therefore in the motorists interest to ensure the cycle path is kept in a condition where those so called menaces can be kept off your precious road

The box has been ticked - cycle path created and therefore they have fulfilled their obligation to provide.

However, the comment regarding the trees being private is not valid. Any obstruction is `100% the councils responsibility. They have a right to cut and a H&S obligation to do so.

Once the council has been informed they will be liable for any injury caused by the overgrowth if shown to be a contributing factor in any accident.

Sometimes Health & Safety legislation is OTT but this time I fully support it.

I agree some cyclists, are a pain in the rear, talking abouit this hedge being overgrown, and BCC saying its nothing to do with them, what is to do with them is, alot of grass verges, and some hedges, that is their responsibility, and they are not cutting them at all, they make this county a disgrace, and they have a cheek to say its ANOB, well open your eyes BCC, tfb, whatever fancy name you like to call yourself and make it ANOB, this council has gone into decline so much since Tett took over.

It is the responsability of every land owner to make sure vegitation does not overhang the highway from their land.....so instead of having a go at BCC get the land owner to sort it or get BCC to do it and to send them a bill if they don't

thethe wrote:
what are you on about tigeran? The cycle path is there to prevent cyclists from having to use the road, thus freeing it up for car drivers. It is therefore in the motorists interest to ensure the cycle path is kept in a condition where those so called menaces can be kept off your precious road

So start paying tax then and pay for it that way, the motorist is cained all the time. Bikes are a pain and should not be allowed on the road. The road is for cars, not bikes, they are too slow, many are too arrogant and rude and are extremely dangerous on modern roads, and I cant remember the last time I saw a cyclist obey the highway code like stopping at a red light, always just swan on through, total disregard for the law. Total menaces.

tigeran wrote:
Cyclists are a menace on our roads, they hold up traffic, think they own the road and are generally a problem for motorists. Roads are meant for cars not human powered pests! If they are worried about the 'cycle path' being over grown why not start a toll for cyclists to pay for it?, They dont pay any road tax.

Lol poor old tigeran, there is NO SUCH THING AS ROAD TAX. I guess you mean vehicle excise duty, this does not pay for roads it goes to the govenment pot. So you could argue I paid for the road with vat when I purchased a new t.v. Please get get facts right before sprouting utter tripe.

usvelt wrote:

tigeran wrote:
Cyclists are a menace on our roads, they hold up traffic, think they own the road and are generally a problem for motorists. Roads are meant for cars not human powered pests! If they are worried about the 'cycle path' being over grown why not start a toll for cyclists to pay for it?, They dont pay any road tax.

Lol poor old tigeran, there is NO SUCH THING AS ROAD TAX. I guess you mean vehicle excise duty, this does not pay for roads it goes to the govenment pot. So you could argue I paid for the road with vat when I purchased a new t.v. Please get get facts right before sprouting utter tripe.

They don't pay road tax. It is called road tax, for a reason and I am well aware it goes into a pot but it is a tax that road users SHOULD pay so hense cyclists don't pay road tax. What part don't you understand and I will try to explain to you slower so you can understand. Would you like for me to slow down for you? Bless! X

I'm sorry, what cycle path? I see a footpath, but no actual markings to say its for cycles. Or is this the point, the hedge has come out so far you can't see it at all?

I believe it is only a footpath at that point in which case it should be trimmed to keep pedestrians out of the road and cyclists shouldn't be on it because I though it was illegal to cycle on the pavement.

tigeran wrote:

thethe wrote: what are you on about tigeran? The cycle path is there to prevent cyclists from having to use the road, thus freeing it up for car drivers. It is therefore in the motorists interest to ensure the cycle path is kept in a condition where those so called menaces can be kept off your precious road

So start paying tax then and pay for it that way, the motorist is cained all the time. Bikes are a pain and should not be allowed on the road. The road is for cars, not bikes, they are too slow, many are too arrogant and rude and are extremely dangerous on modern roads, and I cant remember the last time I saw a cyclist obey the highway code like stopping at a red light, always just swan on through, total disregard for the law. Total menaces.

Replace "bikes" with motorists, and you're somewhere close. Any arrogant and rude cyclists are more than overrun (or should that be "run over"?) by arrogant and rude motorists (and have you never seen motorists ignore a red light?)
Try to remember that we've had roads for 2000 years, and they were built for wheeled traffic and pedestrians (Roman soldiers.) Also, cycles were around before the car appeared (maybe we should reintroduce the man with the red flag?).
I have a little task for you, Tigeran; check out how many pedestrians and motorists have been killed by cyclists. Now check how many cyclists and pedestrians have been killed by motorists.
The whine, that I always hear, from motorists, is, "Cyclists should pay the road tax." Why? What damage do they do to the roads? What pollution do they introduce to villages and towns? I'll go along with the idea of insurance, but that's all.

Darn these out of control hedges... you can't trust them!

Edgar Brooks wrote:

tigeran wrote:

thethe wrote: what are you on about tigeran? The cycle path is there to prevent cyclists from having to use the road, thus freeing it up for car drivers. It is therefore in the motorists interest to ensure the cycle path is kept in a condition where those so called menaces can be kept off your precious road

So start paying tax then and pay for it that way, the motorist is cained all the time. Bikes are a pain and should not be allowed on the road. The road is for cars, not bikes, they are too slow, many are too arrogant and rude and are extremely dangerous on modern roads, and I cant remember the last time I saw a cyclist obey the highway code like stopping at a red light, always just swan on through, total disregard for the law. Total menaces.

Replace "bikes" with motorists, and you're somewhere close. Any arrogant and rude cyclists are more than overrun (or should that be "run over"?) by arrogant and rude motorists (and have you never seen motorists ignore a red light?)
Try to remember that we've had roads for 2000 years, and they were built for wheeled traffic and pedestrians (Roman soldiers.) Also, cycles were around before the car appeared (maybe we should reintroduce the man with the red flag?).
I have a little task for you, Tigeran; check out how many pedestrians and motorists have been killed by cyclists. Now check how many cyclists and pedestrians have been killed by motorists.
The whine, that I always hear, from motorists, is, "Cyclists should pay the road tax." Why? What damage do they do to the roads? What pollution do they introduce to villages and towns? I'll go along with the idea of insurance, but that's all.

Pointless talking to you as you are obviously a cyclist. Bikes are a pain and need to be banned from roads. The real menace are bikes. Road tax is needed if only because they cause so much agro! The sooner you get off the roads and enable people who actually pay to use them, the better. Absolute menace.

I think it was Tigeran who drove past me today while I was out on my bike. :) beep! beep!

Those that lead us think bicycles are a good thing with the government's Cycle to Work initiative so I'm afraid Tigeran you'll have to put up with more "velocipedants" in the future. Even more so with the glorious display of the sport in the Olympics.

There is nothing worse than an overgrown bush.....

It all sounds great - cut the hedges, make it safer for cyclists etc. except that I've never seen a cyclist actually USE this path provided!? They're quite happy to cycle along, in the road, as far away as they can get into the middle of the lane and usually two abreast? Explain...

I do a lot of driving in Bucks - mainly around all the back lanes and country roads. I have yet to see a cyclist treated with anything but respect and given space when cars are overtaking them.
And yet we are not afforded the same courtesy... two a breast, riding in the middle of the road. and most annoying, going for a lovely jaunt when the roads are at their busiest and there is loads of traffic about. Oh and then there is the whole listening to Mp3 players - how can they hear what is going on around them when they have ear phones in - just as bad as car drivers being on mobiles IMO.
I actually am live and let live on the whole - I am not arrogant enough to assume that roads are just for cars - just look at the Highway Code for clarification.
I just think that car drivers are blamed automatically the minute anything to do with a bike is concerned - yes we drive huge metal monsters and you are on delicate little machines,but it would be good if you bore this in mind more as you weave in and out of traffic and come up on the inside of cars hitting their blind spot.
Cyclists should perhaps treat car drivers with a little more courtesy as well - then we could all use the roads safely.

The photo shows a pavement not a proper cycle lane! And this cost a quarter of a million? As a cyclist and driver I just have to laugh.
As for "road tax" if it was introduced for cyclists, it would be at the zero-rate because we don't cause pollution and the minutest abbrasion to the road surface. BTW, I pay "excise duty" for two cars and my monthly PAYE tax bill is about £1500, plus I pay council tax, petrol duty, etc etc. so why should there be a penalty tax for cyclists? It would only be there as another source of income for the gov.

tigeran wrote:

Edgar Brooks wrote:

tigeran wrote:

thethe wrote: what are you on about tigeran? The cycle path is there to prevent cyclists from having to use the road, thus freeing it up for car drivers. It is therefore in the motorists interest to ensure the cycle path is kept in a condition where those so called menaces can be kept off your precious road

So start paying tax then and pay for it that way, the motorist is cained all the time. Bikes are a pain and should not be allowed on the road. The road is for cars, not bikes, they are too slow, many are too arrogant and rude and are extremely dangerous on modern roads, and I cant remember the last time I saw a cyclist obey the highway code like stopping at a red light, always just swan on through, total disregard for the law. Total menaces.

Replace "bikes" with motorists, and you're somewhere close. Any arrogant and rude cyclists are more than overrun (or should that be "run over"?) by arrogant and rude motorists (and have you never seen motorists ignore a red light?)
Try to remember that we've had roads for 2000 years, and they were built for wheeled traffic and pedestrians (Roman soldiers.) Also, cycles were around before the car appeared (maybe we should reintroduce the man with the red flag?).
I have a little task for you, Tigeran; check out how many pedestrians and motorists have been killed by cyclists. Now check how many cyclists and pedestrians have been killed by motorists.
The whine, that I always hear, from motorists, is, "Cyclists should pay the road tax." Why? What damage do they do to the roads? What pollution do they introduce to villages and towns? I'll go along with the idea of insurance, but that's all.

Pointless talking to you as you are obviously a cyclist. Bikes are a pain and need to be banned from roads. The real menace are bikes. Road tax is needed if only because they cause so much agro! The sooner you get off the roads and enable people who actually pay to use them, the better. Absolute menace.

You are right there is no point arguing once again THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ROAD TAX! Yup I am a cyclist, also a car owner.

demoness the second wrote:
I do a lot of driving in Bucks - mainly around all the back lanes and country roads. I have yet to see a cyclist treated with anything but respect and given space when cars are overtaking them.
And yet we are not afforded the same courtesy... two a breast, riding in the middle of the road. and most annoying, going for a lovely jaunt when the roads are at their busiest and there is loads of traffic about. Oh and then there is the whole listening to Mp3 players - how can they hear what is going on around them when they have ear phones in - just as bad as car drivers being on mobiles IMO.
I actually am live and let live on the whole - I am not arrogant enough to assume that roads are just for cars - just look at the Highway Code for clarification.
I just think that car drivers are blamed automatically the minute anything to do with a bike is concerned - yes we drive huge metal monsters and you are on delicate little machines,but it would be good if you bore this in mind more as you weave in and out of traffic and come up on the inside of cars hitting their blind spot.
Cyclists should perhaps treat car drivers with a little more courtesy as well - then we could all use the roads safely.

I absolutely agree, rules of the road are there for ALL to follow and should be adhered to by all. As for going for a lovely jaunt when ther roads are full of traffic - could these same cyclist be commuting to work? As far as I am aware there is no restrictions on times that I am alowed to ride my bike (or drive my car for that matter) so Im afraid thats a rather daft comment.
But yes we should all treat each other with the utmost respect.

Some facts: this is a shared path: the hedge obscures the notice! the cost relates to the bits at either end: this bit was too narrow to improve. And some thoughts: if there were ramps on the footbridge over the bypass cyclists could go that way (illegally, as it is a footpath, but it would keep us off the road). It is very frustrating having to cross the A4155 several times between Bourne End and Marlow so this encourages some cyclists to use the road.

usvelt wrote:

demoness the second wrote:
I do a lot of driving in Bucks - mainly around all the back lanes and country roads. I have yet to see a cyclist treated with anything but respect and given space when cars are overtaking them.
And yet we are not afforded the same courtesy... two a breast, riding in the middle of the road. and most annoying, going for a lovely jaunt when the roads are at their busiest and there is loads of traffic about. Oh and then there is the whole listening to Mp3 players - how can they hear what is going on around them when they have ear phones in - just as bad as car drivers being on mobiles IMO.
I actually am live and let live on the whole - I am not arrogant enough to assume that roads are just for cars - just look at the Highway Code for clarification.
I just think that car drivers are blamed automatically the minute anything to do with a bike is concerned - yes we drive huge metal monsters and you are on delicate little machines,but it would be good if you bore this in mind more as you weave in and out of traffic and come up on the inside of cars hitting their blind spot.
Cyclists should perhaps treat car drivers with a little more courtesy as well - then we could all use the roads safely.

I absolutely agree, rules of the road are there for ALL to follow and should be adhered to by all. As for going for a lovely jaunt when ther roads are full of traffic - could these same cyclist be commuting to work? As far as I am aware there is no restrictions on times that I am alowed to ride my bike (or drive my car for that matter) so Im afraid thats a rather daft comment.
But yes we should all treat each other with the utmost respect.

LOL Usvelt that was a daft comment but it was made out of pique cos the other day I was hot, tired and just wanted to be at home and there was a cyclist that caused an absolute tailback having a lovely little bike ride - well he was dressed in lycra and had that determined look on his face so I am assuming it was leisure! :))

For me, its the whole air of arrogance that surrounds cyclists that really grates.
There is a path provided specifically for your use, its there for a reason, so why cycle along as if totally ignorant to the fact of its existence about 6" (usually more like 6ft) to your left?

demoness the second wrote:

usvelt wrote:

demoness the second wrote:
I do a lot of driving in Bucks - mainly around all the back lanes and country roads. I have yet to see a cyclist treated with anything but respect and given space when cars are overtaking them.
And yet we are not afforded the same courtesy... two a breast, riding in the middle of the road. and most annoying, going for a lovely jaunt when the roads are at their busiest and there is loads of traffic about. Oh and then there is the whole listening to Mp3 players - how can they hear what is going on around them when they have ear phones in - just as bad as car drivers being on mobiles IMO.
I actually am live and let live on the whole - I am not arrogant enough to assume that roads are just for cars - just look at the Highway Code for clarification.
I just think that car drivers are blamed automatically the minute anything to do with a bike is concerned - yes we drive huge metal monsters and you are on delicate little machines,but it would be good if you bore this in mind more as you weave in and out of traffic and come up on the inside of cars hitting their blind spot.
Cyclists should perhaps treat car drivers with a little more courtesy as well - then we could all use the roads safely.

I absolutely agree, rules of the road are there for ALL to follow and should be adhered to by all. As for going for a lovely jaunt when ther roads are full of traffic - could these same cyclist be commuting to work? As far as I am aware there is no restrictions on times that I am alowed to ride my bike (or drive my car for that matter) so Im afraid thats a rather daft comment.
But yes we should all treat each other with the utmost respect.

LOL Usvelt that was a daft comment but it was made out of pique cos the other day I was hot, tired and just wanted to be at home and there was a cyclist that caused an absolute tailback having a lovely little bike ride - well he was dressed in lycra and had that determined look on his face so I am assuming it was leisure! :))

When I commute to work I do 'don the lycra as it is pretty much the most comfortable way to ride ( shower and clothes at work) - as for a determined look we tend to look like that most of the time!! (in our heads we are all Brad Wiggins).

Too Quick For You wrote:
For me, its the whole air of arrogance that surrounds cyclists that really grates.
There is a path provided specifically for your use, its there for a reason, so why cycle along as if totally ignorant to the fact of its existence about 6" (usually more like 6ft) to your left?

Have a ride around this area and enjoy the cycle paths that, I can only imagine are an after thought by people who will never use them. They stop for no reason, you are supposed to share some with pedestrians ( which cannot be fun for them) and then cut across junctions in such a way you have to stop to make sure the way is clear.
I uses them as much as possible, but some are more a danger to pedestrians and to the cyclist themselves. As for the arrogance of cyclists I think you will find the vast majority are also car owners so I wonder where that arrogance comes from. Its a far from ideal situation, I would love lanes for bikes and for cars after all we all pay for them. Sadly I do not see this ever happening so we have to try and get along. Cyclists and car drivers both have a right to be there and we both should adhere to the laws sadly a lot do not and this is where problems arise. I think in the future thanks to our great gold winning team a lot more people are going to be on bikes, great for the enviornment, great for our health but a bit more patience will be needed when we are in our cars.

tigeran wrote:

Edgar Brooks wrote:

tigeran wrote:

thethe wrote: what are you on about tigeran? The cycle path is there to prevent cyclists from having to use the road, thus freeing it up for car drivers. It is therefore in the motorists interest to ensure the cycle path is kept in a condition where those so called menaces can be kept off your precious road

So start paying tax then and pay for it that way, the motorist is cained all the time. Bikes are a pain and should not be allowed on the road. The road is for cars, not bikes, they are too slow, many are too arrogant and rude and are extremely dangerous on modern roads, and I cant remember the last time I saw a cyclist obey the highway code like stopping at a red light, always just swan on through, total disregard for the law. Total menaces.

Replace "bikes" with motorists, and you're somewhere close. Any arrogant and rude cyclists are more than overrun (or should that be "run over"?) by arrogant and rude motorists (and have you never seen motorists ignore a red light?) Try to remember that we've had roads for 2000 years, and they were built for wheeled traffic and pedestrians (Roman soldiers.) Also, cycles were around before the car appeared (maybe we should reintroduce the man with the red flag?). I have a little task for you, Tigeran; check out how many pedestrians and motorists have been killed by cyclists. Now check how many cyclists and pedestrians have been killed by motorists. The whine, that I always hear, from motorists, is, "Cyclists should pay the road tax." Why? What damage do they do to the roads? What pollution do they introduce to villages and towns? I'll go along with the idea of insurance, but that's all.

Pointless talking to you as you are obviously a cyclist. Bikes are a pain and need to be banned from roads. The real menace are bikes. Road tax is needed if only because they cause so much agro! The sooner you get off the roads and enable people who actually pay to use them, the better. Absolute menace.

Which shows how completely out of touch, and hat a complete ignoramus you are. I WAS a cyclist, up to 35 years ago, when I passed my driving test, and it left me with an abiding knowledge of what it's like to share the road with moronic self-centred motorists, plus a lifetime's respect for their absolute right to share the road on which I'm travelling.

Should have said share the road with cyclists," and, if you check the Highway Code, it advises cyclists to travel two abreast, because it affords a certain amount of mutual protection. As for riding on a path, which does not have a clear indication that it can be used by cyclists, no cyclists will do that, and risk prosecution by zealous plod.

Edgar Brooks wrote:
Should have said share the road with cyclists," and, if you check the Highway Code, it advises cyclists to travel two abreast, because it affords a certain amount of mutual protection. As for riding on a path, which does not have a clear indication that it can be used by cyclists, no cyclists will do that, and risk prosecution by zealous plod.

It may well do but how does that work when you are on a quiet country road with lots of bends and perhaps ( as a car driver) you would like to make progress and over take? Surely a couple of courteous cyclists would then go single file to allow their fellow car driver to over take safely without putting either them or him/her at risk.
Also I can absolutely 1005 assure you that cyclists DO ride on paths and sadly have killed pedestrians as well..

http://www.metro.co.
uk/news/719063-cycli
st-is-jailed-for-kil
ling-by-1861-law

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-politics-13
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Courtesy, respect and understanding needed all round.. as I said before.

demoness the second wrote:

Edgar Brooks wrote:
Should have said share the road with cyclists," and, if you check the Highway Code, it advises cyclists to travel two abreast, because it affords a certain amount of mutual protection. As for riding on a path, which does not have a clear indication that it can be used by cyclists, no cyclists will do that, and risk prosecution by zealous plod.

It may well do but how does that work when you are on a quiet country road with lots of bends and perhaps ( as a car driver) you would like to make progress and over take? Surely a couple of courteous cyclists would then go single file to allow their fellow car driver to over take safely without putting either them or him/her at risk.
Also I can absolutely 1005 assure you that cyclists DO ride on paths and sadly have killed pedestrians as well..

http://www.metro.co.

uk/news/719063-cycli

st-is-jailed-for-kil

ling-by-1861-law

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-politics-13

034162


Courtesy, respect and understanding needed all round.. as I said before.

Demoness The Second when coming up on a pair of cyclists quite often how quiet cars are now and with wind noise in your ears you tend not to hear the car behind you. A friendly toot toot on the horn to let them know you are there normally does the trick for bikes to drop in to single file. Blasting the horn or gunning the engine will have the effect of winding each party up and it gets knowhere. Try it - it works.

Edgar Brooks wrote:
Should have said share the road with cyclists," and, if you check the Highway Code, it advises cyclists to travel two abreast, because it affords a certain amount of mutual protection. As for riding on a path, which does not have a clear indication that it can be used by cyclists, no cyclists will do that, and risk prosecution by zealous plod.

Have to say Edgar plenty of idiots on bikes use the path and should be brought to book for it.

usvelt wrote:

demoness the second wrote:

Edgar Brooks wrote:
Should have said share the road with cyclists," and, if you check the Highway Code, it advises cyclists to travel two abreast, because it affords a certain amount of mutual protection. As for riding on a path, which does not have a clear indication that it can be used by cyclists, no cyclists will do that, and risk prosecution by zealous plod.

It may well do but how does that work when you are on a quiet country road with lots of bends and perhaps ( as a car driver) you would like to make progress and over take? Surely a couple of courteous cyclists would then go single file to allow their fellow car driver to over take safely without putting either them or him/her at risk.
Also I can absolutely 1005 assure you that cyclists DO ride on paths and sadly have killed pedestrians as well..

http://www.metro.co.


uk/news/719063-cycli


st-is-jailed-for-kil


ling-by-1861-law

http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/uk-politics-13


034162


Courtesy, respect and understanding needed all round.. as I said before.

Demoness The Second when coming up on a pair of cyclists quite often how quiet cars are now and with wind noise in your ears you tend not to hear the car behind you. A friendly toot toot on the horn to let them know you are there normally does the trick for bikes to drop in to single file. Blasting the horn or gunning the engine will have the effect of winding each party up and it gets knowhere. Try it - it works.

In all seriousness - thank you for that.
I do not rev my engine however because I do agree that is both rude and dangerous.
I did not know that bikes could not always hear cars - again that is useful
I really am live and let live on the roads.. apart from audi drivers and the odd BMW.
They are a special case ;))

Gald to be of help.
Wont mention the Audis!!

Edgar Brooks wrote:

tigeran wrote:

Edgar Brooks wrote:

tigeran wrote:

thethe wrote: what are you on about tigeran? The cycle path is there to prevent cyclists from having to use the road, thus freeing it up for car drivers. It is therefore in the motorists interest to ensure the cycle path is kept in a condition where those so called menaces can be kept off your precious road

So start paying tax then and pay for it that way, the motorist is cained all the time. Bikes are a pain and should not be allowed on the road. The road is for cars, not bikes, they are too slow, many are too arrogant and rude and are extremely dangerous on modern roads, and I cant remember the last time I saw a cyclist obey the highway code like stopping at a red light, always just swan on through, total disregard for the law. Total menaces.

Replace "bikes" with motorists, and you're somewhere close. Any arrogant and rude cyclists are more than overrun (or should that be "run over"?) by arrogant and rude motorists (and have you never seen motorists ignore a red light?) Try to remember that we've had roads for 2000 years, and they were built for wheeled traffic and pedestrians (Roman soldiers.) Also, cycles were around before the car appeared (maybe we should reintroduce the man with the red flag?). I have a little task for you, Tigeran; check out how many pedestrians and motorists have been killed by cyclists. Now check how many cyclists and pedestrians have been killed by motorists. The whine, that I always hear, from motorists, is, "Cyclists should pay the road tax." Why? What damage do they do to the roads? What pollution do they introduce to villages and towns? I'll go along with the idea of insurance, but that's all.

Pointless talking to you as you are obviously a cyclist. Bikes are a pain and need to be banned from roads. The real menace are bikes. Road tax is needed if only because they cause so much agro! The sooner you get off the roads and enable people who actually pay to use them, the better. Absolute menace.

Which shows how completely out of touch, and hat a complete ignoramus you are. I WAS a cyclist, up to 35 years ago, when I passed my driving test, and it left me with an abiding knowledge of what it's like to share the road with moronic self-centred motorists, plus a lifetime's respect for their absolute right to share the road on which I'm travelling.

My god! Are you still on the road?!! You need to be tested as you are obviously too old to be alowed on the road!! Oh god, cant beleive old f@rts like you are still allowed out as you are DANGEROUS!!

usvelt wrote:

tigeran wrote:

Edgar Brooks wrote:

tigeran wrote:

thethe wrote: what are you on about tigeran? The cycle path is there to prevent cyclists from having to use the road, thus freeing it up for car drivers. It is therefore in the motorists interest to ensure the cycle path is kept in a condition where those so called menaces can be kept off your precious road

So start paying tax then and pay for it that way, the motorist is cained all the time. Bikes are a pain and should not be allowed on the road. The road is for cars, not bikes, they are too slow, many are too arrogant and rude and are extremely dangerous on modern roads, and I cant remember the last time I saw a cyclist obey the highway code like stopping at a red light, always just swan on through, total disregard for the law. Total menaces.

Replace "bikes" with motorists, and you're somewhere close. Any arrogant and rude cyclists are more than overrun (or should that be "run over"?) by arrogant and rude motorists (and have you never seen motorists ignore a red light?)
Try to remember that we've had roads for 2000 years, and they were built for wheeled traffic and pedestrians (Roman soldiers.) Also, cycles were around before the car appeared (maybe we should reintroduce the man with the red flag?).
I have a little task for you, Tigeran; check out how many pedestrians and motorists have been killed by cyclists. Now check how many cyclists and pedestrians have been killed by motorists.
The whine, that I always hear, from motorists, is, "Cyclists should pay the road tax." Why? What damage do they do to the roads? What pollution do they introduce to villages and towns? I'll go along with the idea of insurance, but that's all.

Pointless talking to you as you are obviously a cyclist. Bikes are a pain and need to be banned from roads. The real menace are bikes. Road tax is needed if only because they cause so much agro! The sooner you get off the roads and enable people who actually pay to use them, the better. Absolute menace.

You are right there is no point arguing once again THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ROAD TAX! Yup I am a cyclist, also a car owner.

Oh god, cyclist really are a menace!! Please stay off the roads and let the REAL people who pay to use the roads continue? You really do hold REAL people up. Please let us be?

Has anyone noticed a surge of Bradley wannabes in the past couple of weeks ? Wonder how long their enthusiasm will last.

tigeran wrote:

usvelt wrote:

tigeran wrote:

Edgar Brooks wrote:

tigeran wrote:

thethe wrote: what are you on about tigeran? The cycle path is there to prevent cyclists from having to use the road, thus freeing it up for car drivers. It is therefore in the motorists interest to ensure the cycle path is kept in a condition where those so called menaces can be kept off your precious road

So start paying tax then and pay for it that way, the motorist is cained all the time. Bikes are a pain and should not be allowed on the road. The road is for cars, not bikes, they are too slow, many are too arrogant and rude and are extremely dangerous on modern roads, and I cant remember the last time I saw a cyclist obey the highway code like stopping at a red light, always just swan on through, total disregard for the law. Total menaces.

Replace "bikes" with motorists, and you're somewhere close. Any arrogant and rude cyclists are more than overrun (or should that be "run over"?) by arrogant and rude motorists (and have you never seen motorists ignore a red light?)
Try to remember that we've had roads for 2000 years, and they were built for wheeled traffic and pedestrians (Roman soldiers.) Also, cycles were around before the car appeared (maybe we should reintroduce the man with the red flag?).
I have a little task for you, Tigeran; check out how many pedestrians and motorists have been killed by cyclists. Now check how many cyclists and pedestrians have been killed by motorists.
The whine, that I always hear, from motorists, is, "Cyclists should pay the road tax." Why? What damage do they do to the roads? What pollution do they introduce to villages and towns? I'll go along with the idea of insurance, but that's all.

Pointless talking to you as you are obviously a cyclist. Bikes are a pain and need to be banned from roads. The real menace are bikes. Road tax is needed if only because they cause so much agro! The sooner you get off the roads and enable people who actually pay to use them, the better. Absolute menace.

You are right there is no point arguing once again THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ROAD TAX! Yup I am a cyclist, also a car owner.

Oh god, cyclist really are a menace!! Please stay off the roads and let the REAL people who pay to use the roads continue? You really do hold REAL people up. Please let us be?

Hows paying that "road tax" going tigeran?

Brian JM wrote:
Has anyone noticed a surge of Bradley wannabes in the past couple of weeks ? Wonder how long their enthusiasm will last.

Yeah its good to see, hopefully a few will stick at it and well those that done Im sure there will be some bargain very expensive bikes for sale!

Yawn!! No doubt these people have been cheering the cyclists on at the Olympics then wedged themselves back into their cars. And for the record road tax doesn't pay for roads..... ZZZZzzzzz..... get out of my way or your wing mirrors gone.....

jeff01 wrote:
Yawn!! No doubt these people have been cheering the cyclists on at the Olympics then wedged themselves back into their cars. And for the record road tax doesn't pay for roads..... ZZZZzzzzz..... get out of my way or your wing mirrors gone.....

WHAT? Road tax doesnt pay for roads.....what is this nonsense, tell him tigerian

What "cycle path"??
The picture shows the pavement.
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I would have thought that cyclists of the Ketleys generation would have sufficient road sense to cycle responsibly.

never mind cyclists jumping red lights, how many pedestrians cross before the green man shows? Pedestrians should pay pavement tax

jeff01 wrote:
Yawn!! No doubt these people have been cheering the cyclists on at the Olympics then wedged themselves back into their cars. And for the record road tax doesn't pay for roads..... ZZZZzzzzz..... get out of my way or your wing mirrors gone.....

Beeep, SPLAT!!

Once again tigger proves him/herself to be a fine intelligent person, given to reasoned debate,and prepared to concede a point when proven wrong.Please tell us your reg number so that we can pull to one side and respectfully doff our caps toward you for allowing us onto the roads that you single handedly pay for.

sai-diva wrote:
Once again tigger proves him/herself to be a fine intelligent person, given to reasoned debate,and prepared to concede a point when proven wrong.Please tell us your reg number so that we can pull to one side and respectfully doff our caps toward you for allowing us onto the roads that you single handedly pay for.

It is 'M0V3 PEA5ANT5' So if you would abide by this simple rule undertaken by the likes of yourself that would be great!!

tigeran wrote:

sai-diva wrote:
Once again tigger proves him/herself to be a fine intelligent person, given to reasoned debate,and prepared to concede a point when proven wrong.Please tell us your reg number so that we can pull to one side and respectfully doff our caps toward you for allowing us onto the roads that you single handedly pay for.

It is 'M0V3 PEA5ANT5' So if you would abide by this simple rule undertaken by the likes of yourself that would be great!!

Just tell us about this "road tax" you and only you seem to pay tigeran?

Drove to Maidenhead yesterday, group of cyclists heading from Maidenhead to Cookham up to three abreast taking up the whole of their side of the road with a queue of cars behind them - and they wonder why motorists get annoyed with them. I have nothing against cyclists per se if they ride where and how they are supposed to - and that is everyone on a bike.

I have to cycle this route every day as I work in marlow,i cant drive or get a lift and it's a nightmare. I used to go down sheepridge but one day a car came so close to me they smacked my handlebars. I'm only 19 and that terrified the life out of me so I have tried to find paths that cars won't go down but this part of the journey is the absolute worst as I get stung on my arms, my neck and my legs whilst trying to duck under nettles higher than me and avoid falling into the traffic!! thank goodness someone is finally doing something about it!!

tigeran wrote:
Cyclists are a menace on our roads, they hold up traffic, think they own the road and are generally a problem for motorists. Roads are meant for cars not human powered pests! If they are worried about the 'cycle path' being over grown why not start a toll for cyclists to pay for it?, They dont pay any road tax.

Tigeran - Cars are a menace on our roads, they hold up traffic, think they own the road and are generally a problem for Cyclists. Roads are meant for everybody not powered pests, also car tax or Vehicle Excise Duty is based on the car's CO2 emissions and the type of fuel it uses - last time i looked bikes don't produce any CO2 or need fuel -

Risborough 14 wrote:

tigeran wrote:
Cyclists are a menace on our roads, they hold up traffic, think they own the road and are generally a problem for motorists. Roads are meant for cars not human powered pests! If they are worried about the 'cycle path' being over grown why not start a toll for cyclists to pay for it?, They dont pay any road tax.

Tigeran - Cars are a menace on our roads, they hold up traffic, think they own the road and are generally a problem for Cyclists. Roads are meant for everybody not powered pests, also car tax or Vehicle Excise Duty is based on the car's CO2 emissions and the type of fuel it uses - last time i looked bikes don't produce any CO2 or need fuel -

Yes you are right, they do hold up trafic when a pig headed cyclist gets run over! Real people have to then wait for them to get scrapped up!!

Cylist hold up progress, ban them and let us grow PLEASE!!!!

tigeran wrote:
Cylist hold up progress, ban them and let us grow PLEASE!!!!

tigeran please tell us about this "road tax ". You are the only person paying it what is it?

usvelt wrote:

tigeran wrote:
Cylist hold up progress, ban them and let us grow PLEASE!!!!

tigeran please tell us about this "road tax ". You are the only person paying it what is it?

My god! Are you still bleating on! If you dont understand what it is then look it up. No point talking to you as you will hold up my progress like you do on the roads!!!
Saw one this morning, MASSIVE queue of tax payers held up behind a tax dodger!! Complete and utter manace! Should be banned.

tigeran wrote:

usvelt wrote:

tigeran wrote:
Cylist hold up progress, ban them and let us grow PLEASE!!!!

tigeran please tell us about this "road tax ". You are the only person paying it what is it?

My god! Are you still bleating on! If you dont understand what it is then look it up. No point talking to you as you will hold up my progress like you do on the roads!!!
Saw one this morning, MASSIVE queue of tax payers held up behind a tax dodger!! Complete and utter manace! Should be banned.

If you would have looked it up in the first place rather than sprouting the usual ignorant tripe I wouldnt have had so much entertainment goading you.
Poor old tigeran and his miserable little world.

usvelt wrote:

tigeran wrote:

usvelt wrote:

tigeran wrote:
Cylist hold up progress, ban them and let us grow PLEASE!!!!

tigeran please tell us about this "road tax ". You are the only person paying it what is it?

My god! Are you still bleating on! If you dont understand what it is then look it up. No point talking to you as you will hold up my progress like you do on the roads!!!
Saw one this morning, MASSIVE queue of tax payers held up behind a tax dodger!! Complete and utter manace! Should be banned.

If you would have looked it up in the first place rather than sprouting the usual ignorant tripe I wouldnt have had so much entertainment goading you.
Poor old tigeran and his miserable little world.

LOL!! I get the impression you yourself are wound up about this!! TAX DODGER ALERT!!!

How can I be I dont suffer this foolish "road tax" what fool would pay that. I do however pay V.E.D on my cars which all but morons know does not pay for roads.

usvelt wrote:
How can I be I dont suffer this foolish "road tax" what fool would pay that. I do however pay V.E.D on my cars which all but morons know does not pay for roads.

Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) So you DO pay road tax?!!! Glad that is cleared up! Well done!! And there was me thinking you were using the roads illegally!

usvelt wrote:
How can I be I dont suffer this foolish "road tax" what fool would pay that. I do however pay V.E.D on my cars which all but morons know does not pay for roads.

I really am so pleased, I mistook you for one of those awful creatures that ride bicycles, you know the ones, they hold up traffic, are rude, arrogant and selfish, think they own the road and dont pay any road tax! Hideous things!!

tigeran wrote:

usvelt wrote:
How can I be I dont suffer this foolish "road tax" what fool would pay that. I do however pay V.E.D on my cars which all but morons know does not pay for roads.

I really am so pleased, I mistook you for one of those awful creatures that ride bicycles, you know the ones, they hold up traffic, are rude, arrogant and selfish, think they own the road and dont pay any road tax! Hideous things!!

I love you tigeran!

usvelt wrote:

tigeran wrote:

usvelt wrote:
How can I be I dont suffer this foolish "road tax" what fool would pay that. I do however pay V.E.D on my cars which all but morons know does not pay for roads.

I really am so pleased, I mistook you for one of those awful creatures that ride bicycles, you know the ones, they hold up traffic, are rude, arrogant and selfish, think they own the road and dont pay any road tax! Hideous things!!

I love you tigeran!

Not as much as I love you!! x

tigeran wrote:

usvelt wrote:

tigeran wrote:

usvelt wrote:
How can I be I dont suffer this foolish "road tax" what fool would pay that. I do however pay V.E.D on my cars which all but morons know does not pay for roads.

I really am so pleased, I mistook you for one of those awful creatures that ride bicycles, you know the ones, they hold up traffic, are rude, arrogant and selfish, think they own the road and dont pay any road tax! Hideous things!!

I love you tigeran!

Not as much as I love you!! x

Lets go for a bike ride?

LOL This should be on the Edinburgh Fringe.

No wonder so many cyclists get killed - with all this pent-up aggression! I think it's great that people keep fit and cut pollution by cycling - they might even cut spending on the NHS. Obesity and the diseases it causes are now known to be the biggest killer of adults in the UK.

Mind you - I'm too fat to cycle!

fatgardener wrote:
LOL This should be on the Edinburgh Fringe.

No wonder so many cyclists get killed - with all this pent-up aggression! I think it's great that people keep fit and cut pollution by cycling - they might even cut spending on the NHS. Obesity and the diseases it causes are now known to be the biggest killer of adults in the UK.

Mind you - I'm too fat to cycle!

Come on fatgardener shave those legs and get on that bike....or just shave yer legs!

usvelt wrote:

tigeran wrote:

usvelt wrote:

tigeran wrote:

usvelt wrote:
How can I be I dont suffer this foolish "road tax" what fool would pay that. I do however pay V.E.D on my cars which all but morons know does not pay for roads.

I really am so pleased, I mistook you for one of those awful creatures that ride bicycles, you know the ones, they hold up traffic, are rude, arrogant and selfish, think they own the road and dont pay any road tax! Hideous things!!

I love you tigeran!

Not as much as I love you!! x

Lets go for a bike ride?

LOL!! Fair play!

usvelt wrote:

fatgardener wrote:
LOL This should be on the Edinburgh Fringe.

No wonder so many cyclists get killed - with all this pent-up aggression! I think it's great that people keep fit and cut pollution by cycling - they might even cut spending on the NHS. Obesity and the diseases it causes are now known to be the biggest killer of adults in the UK.

Mind you - I'm too fat to cycle!

Come on fatgardener shave those legs and get on that bike....or just shave yer legs!

Ho ho! These are just woolly socks.

Off on a driving holiday...

tigeran wrote:

Risborough 14 wrote:

tigeran wrote: Cyclists are a menace on our roads, they hold up traffic, think they own the road and are generally a problem for motorists. Roads are meant for cars not human powered pests! If they are worried about the 'cycle path' being over grown why not start a toll for cyclists to pay for it?, They dont pay any road tax.

Tigeran - Cars are a menace on our roads, they hold up traffic, think they own the road and are generally a problem for Cyclists. Roads are meant for everybody not powered pests, also car tax or Vehicle Excise Duty is based on the car's CO2 emissions and the type of fuel it uses - last time i looked bikes don't produce any CO2 or need fuel -

Yes you are right, they do hold up trafic when a pig headed cyclist gets run over! Real people have to then wait for them to get scrapped up!!

Tigeran - reading over some of your rants, quotes and postings it appears you believe cyclist should pay some sort of road tax!! OK let’s run with this for 5 mins –
As it stands by law cyclists are not required to pay any form of road tax or fuel duty or road excise duty or VED - therefore to enforce this new regulation the proper legal & democratic process via parliament needs to undertaken to created this new Law – this is normally conducted though rational & balanced debate
Any chance you could lay out your arguments for as to why and how this new law should and will be created
(Cos I say so or else is not customary or adequate for this sort of grown up debate)
Please take the following into consideration –
Which political party or MP have you received support from for this motion?
How do you propose to get this bill into its first parliamentary reading?

Administration Set up – how would this be funded and work
As an estimate how much would it cost?
Which legal authority who would administer this institute?
What is the registration process?
What is the process to collect this Tax?
Where and what would the TAX revenue generated be used for?
Is there a license?
What is the Licensing conditions what are they?
How long is the license valid for?
Is there a test to obtain this license?
How much does the test cost?
Who would administer this test?
Who would enforce the Law?
What are the punishments?
Plug loopholes
Bikes from overseas how are there catered for?
Bike Rental


Are there any Tax exception or exemptions–
For example
Carbon frame bike pay less,
Age of the bicycle
Riding on designated cycle ways,
Speed limits
Under 16s
Over 65s
The Low paid
Valid in Scotland, Wales and NI
Private land
Velodromes
Riding Footpaths
Riding on open countryside

sure their are many more but this is a good start - ta very much

Risborough 14 wrote:

tigeran wrote:

Risborough 14 wrote:

tigeran wrote: Cyclists are a menace on our roads, they hold up traffic, think they own the road and are generally a problem for motorists. Roads are meant for cars not human powered pests! If they are worried about the 'cycle path' being over grown why not start a toll for cyclists to pay for it?, They dont pay any road tax.

Tigeran - Cars are a menace on our roads, they hold up traffic, think they own the road and are generally a problem for Cyclists. Roads are meant for everybody not powered pests, also car tax or Vehicle Excise Duty is based on the car's CO2 emissions and the type of fuel it uses - last time i looked bikes don't produce any CO2 or need fuel -

Yes you are right, they do hold up trafic when a pig headed cyclist gets run over! Real people have to then wait for them to get scrapped up!!

Tigeran - reading over some of your rants, quotes and postings it appears you believe cyclist should pay some sort of road tax!! OK let’s run with this for 5 mins –
As it stands by law cyclists are not required to pay any form of road tax or fuel duty or road excise duty or VED - therefore to enforce this new regulation the proper legal & democratic process via parliament needs to undertaken to created this new Law – this is normally conducted though rational & balanced debate
Any chance you could lay out your arguments for as to why and how this new law should and will be created
(Cos I say so or else is not customary or adequate for this sort of grown up debate)
Please take the following into consideration –
Which political party or MP have you received support from for this motion?
How do you propose to get this bill into its first parliamentary reading?

Administration Set up – how would this be funded and work
As an estimate how much would it cost?
Which legal authority who would administer this institute?
What is the registration process?
What is the process to collect this Tax?
Where and what would the TAX revenue generated be used for?
Is there a license?
What is the Licensing conditions what are they?
How long is the license valid for?
Is there a test to obtain this license?
How much does the test cost?
Who would administer this test?
Who would enforce the Law?
What are the punishments?
Plug loopholes
Bikes from overseas how are there catered for?
Bike Rental


Are there any Tax exception or exemptions–
For example
Carbon frame bike pay less,
Age of the bicycle
Riding on designated cycle ways,
Speed limits
Under 16s
Over 65s
The Low paid
Valid in Scotland, Wales and NI
Private land
Velodromes
Riding Footpaths
Riding on open countryside

sure their are many more but this is a good start - ta very much

Sorry, can you elaborate on that?

tigeran wrote:
Cylist hold up progress, ban them and let us grow PLEASE!!!!

You missed the word "up" between "grow" and "please." You're like a little boy, stamping his feet and throwing his toys out of the pram, because Mummy and Daddy have told him that he can't run riot on the lawn,and kill all the other little animals which are getting in his way.

Edgar Brooks wrote:

tigeran wrote:
Cylist hold up progress, ban them and let us grow PLEASE!!!!

You missed the word "up" between "grow" and "please." You're like a little boy, stamping his feet and throwing his toys out of the pram, because Mummy and Daddy have told him that he can't run riot on the lawn,and kill all the other little animals which are getting in his way.

LOL!! I like that! x