Police investigate mass fight outside Marlow pub

10:33am Sunday 2nd September 2012 in News By Rebecca Cain

Police investigate mass fight outside Marlow pub Police investigate mass fight outside Marlow pub

POLICE have taped off a pub in Marlow following a fight in the early hours of this morning.

Officers were called at 2.30am to The Cross Keys in Spittal Street.

Inspector Paul Beaney from Thames Valley Police said there was a violent disorder.

He said: "It is still very early days. We are not sure what happened."

He said about 30 people were involved in a fight and bottles were thrown.

Inspector Beaney said CCTV shows several people seemed to have been injured but no person made a complaint to police.

He said the offenders left the scene when they arrived and at the moment no witnesses have come forward.

He said: "Inquiries are ongoing. It is a violent disorder and quite a serious incident."

Part of the car park in Dean Street has been taped off as well.

Comments(22)

Marlow_AP says...
12:08pm Sun 2 Sep 12

This pub is so dodgy these days. I avoid it like the plague...it just seems to attract trouble

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BlueberryBear says...
12:27pm Sun 2 Sep 12

When I read the headline on Facebook I just KNEW it was going to have happened at The Cross Keys! I've only been in there once (years ago) and that was my first and last time!

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wycombechick says...
6:05pm Sun 2 Sep 12

Rough pub full of rough idiots!

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Iceberg69 says...
6:24pm Sun 2 Sep 12

Here we go with more comments from people who have probably never even stepped foot in the Cross Keys. There is nothing wrong with the pub, I have a good time whenever I go there (unless I'm watching football and my team loses). The landlord and staff are friendly, they do good food, have good music, show all the football and even though you get a few 'out of towners' coming in and causing trouble once in a blue moon (as with any pub with a late license) the whole place, no matter what day or time has a good atmosphere. Places like the Cross Keys get a bad reputation from stupid people who believe stupid rumours. There may be a few little scraps that happen OUTSIDE the pub but this certainly won't stop me from being a regular customer!

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realist_highwycombe says...
7:57pm Sun 2 Sep 12

I refer to my comment on the other news story on this page.

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Sjh123 says...
8:11pm Sun 2 Sep 12

I've been in the a few times normally after eating out in marlow and seems full of attitude. "stupid people stupid rumours"? Wasn't there a stabbing a couple of months ago?

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Sjh123 says...
8:16pm Sun 2 Sep 12

*there*

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Marlow_AP says...
12:19am Mon 3 Sep 12

Iceberg69 - I have been into The Cross Keys for your information. I didn't find it very welcoming. It may well be people from out of town causing the trouble, but that doesn't change the fact that that there appears to be an increasing amount of fights etc. there.

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Iceberg69 says...
9:35am Mon 3 Sep 12

If some of these events happened at a pub in High Wycombe people would just dismiss it because it happens all the time, trust me it does I've seen it with my own eyes on many occassions! But that's the same with any town that has pubs or clubs that are open past 2am, the only difference with Marlow is that the Cross Keys is the only pub that is open late therefore, naturally, most people will go there at the end of the night and most people who are still out at that time are usually drunk and will drink more and as with anywhere in the world, drunk people together can and will lead to fights breaking out, it's not good but it happens everywhere. The Marlow busy bodies have nothing better to do than complain about the Cross Keys but they are so quick to forget that Marlow regatta used lead to big fights and lots of trouble every year but no one blamed the regatta organisers because it wasn't their fault it was trouble makers coming into Marlow and causing the problems. There have been two news worthy events that concern the Cross Keys over the past couple of months, both of which were blown way out of proportion but rumours, but there haven't been any other major issues, sure there may have been a few pathetic scraps but this happens everywhere. I'm not defending the trouble makers, I'm defending the pub, I hope this recent event makes them stricter on the weekends and I'm sure it will.

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just-say-it says...
9:53am Mon 3 Sep 12

The pub is joke! People that are barred get allowed back in! Drug dealers are allowed to stay in and sell.... even though management know exactly who they are and what they do, I used to go there all the time and I stopped going because of the drama and abuse you get from there. I went back in there for the first time a few weeks ago and walked staright back out 15 minutes later - I didnt even get a drink! Half of the fights and issues are to do with people from Marlow, so where you get off saying that its outsiders coming in Iceberg69 is beyond me!

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realist_highwycombe says...
3:22pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Iceberg you talk a load of rubbish mate.

Firstly, The Cross Keys is not the only place open late on a weekend.

The Ship pub and also Claytons Lounge are both open late and guess what - the police are never called there!

In relation to your comments about 2 news stories being blown out of proportion......a male is stabbed at a pub receiving serious injuries and now people have a large scale fight involving glasses and bottles resulting in a male being in a serious condition in hospital - thats not blowing something out of proportion that is just worrying!

Iceberg69 I dont see any other "customers" defending the pub. So shall we naturally assume you are either the landlord or family?

Pop down to Claytons or The Ship and see the difference in clientele in these places compared to the X Keys - then you might see why they are far better places to go....

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The_whole_truth says...
9:56pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Just-say-it and realist_highwycombe I 100% agree with you! This pub is turning into a disgrace. I have been assaulted in this pub, which was witnessed by the landlord and several bar staff and a week later the perpetrator was back in the pub! I don't even think they were barred! The landlord knows exactly who the trouble makers are (99% Marlow born and bred) and he knows exactly who the dealers are, where they deal (on the premises) what they deal and who to and he does nothing about it...or shall we assume he is in on it?? During the day this is a semi "ok" workers pub that does "ok" food, the minute night falls its a drug dealers heaven!! Unless you want to be stabbed by the door man or assaulted by the locals I would avoid this pub! If you want to do drugs, drink expensive alcohol and get into a fight knowing there will be no consequences this place is for you.

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morism says...
9:12am Tue 4 Sep 12

There are obviously backhanders going to councillors. I have spoken to numerous residents who live close to the pub, most of them have complained to the council and the police about the loud music and noise going on until 230 am. Directly behind this pub is an old peoples home and some flats with young families. The council claim not to have received complaints but I believe this is a conspiracy. The council have a duty of care to the local residents young and old. If they don't close or severely limit this pub then they themselves could be open to prosecution. I shall be writing to my MP Dominic Grieve about this.http://www.writ
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martynl1988 says...
1:04pm Tue 4 Sep 12

I'm sorry but I feel no safer in a pub in Marlow than I do a pub in Wycombe or Maidenhead or Windsor!! U get trouble everywhere u go!! And I'm sorry but people don't get stabbed in Wycombe every week!! I go out in Wycombe regularly and there is no more or no less throuble than in Marlow and in my eyes Wyc is a much better night out with a bigger choice of venues and a more diverse group of people!!
When a certain type of person drinks too much they get violent!! U can't blame the town or the pub it's the vile people that can commit such crimes that are to blame!! #justsaying
All the door staff I have ever encountered in any pub in my life have been brilliant and break up fights as quickly as they can!! This was out of hours so a Police matter!!

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The_whole_truth says...
10:19pm Tue 4 Sep 12

The problem with this pub compared to the likes of wycombe etc is that those pubs take part in a pub watch scheme, trouble makers get put on a black list and are not allowed in the pubs in the centre of town! The fight started in the pub and led out onto the streets involving one group of regulars and one group of people from out of town! Needless to say the majority (regulars) got the better of one poor man in this case! From several friends in Marlow I have been told the pubs staff witnessed the fight and of course would know all the regulars involved yet no one has given a statement? A little odd wouldn't you think? Isn't it the pubs duty to support this investigation not worry about protecting a few regulars to save a bit of business? Business that stops the "normal" people of Marlow from entering this venue??

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shutit says...
4:34pm Wed 5 Sep 12

~Sorry but most of what has been said on he is a joke in my eyes.

I drink in this pub 3/4 nights of the week and i have never been put in harms way!

You get fights everywhere , dont get me wrong when someone is stabbed things have to be changed.

But to say it is a drug dealers heaven and the landlord is in on it, is stupid !!

What has happened at the pub was dealt with by door staff , and it happened in the car park across the road . So how is it the pubs fault ??

The people were kicked out at closing time Drunk and had a fight , you can not blame the pub they sell booze to people to get drunk then they shut the pub they can not be blamed for what happens outside , the people to blame are the people throwing the punchs and throwing the bottles !!!

And for most of you to be saying stay out of this pub i would love to see how you all act after a drink and how many fights and arguements you havewhen drunk !!

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just-say-it says...
5:25pm Wed 5 Sep 12

shutit - you obviously don’t have anything better to do than drink in a pub 3/4 times a week... maybe your time would be better spent at an evening class. Maybe one that teaches spelling and grammar? Just a suggestion.

As for the information that you have decided to share, the pub is to blame for allowing people to get in that state. The police should have been called when it kicked off inside and bottles and glasses were being thrown. Allowing both parties to be outside together? That was a recipe for disaster – and I ask the question of how did bottles and glasses get outside?

Finally in response to your comment regarding loving to see how we act and how many fights we get into after a few drinks… I am sure I can speak for the majority when I say, that wouldn’t happen if you are a mature adult.

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The_whole_truth says...
7:19pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Shut it...if you drink in this pub 3/4 times a week then maybe you should enquire with the staff and the landlord who was involved in this fight and who assaulted the victim and put him into a critical condition. Enquire if this man has been previously barred on several occassions and if he is a known drug dealer!? Although I'm sure IF you are such a loyal customer you will already know the answer to this! Then ask the land lord and all the staff including the trustworthy independently employed door staff if any of them put that mans name in their statement, if they even bothered to give a statement at all. The door staff have a duty and an alliance with the police to provide that information and the pub has a duty with the community and it's customers to keep them safe. Neither party has honoured that alliance and will happily serve this man a pint this week to the next! Morally wrong? Yes? Should this landlord have a licence? No!!!

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Iceberg69 says...
10:09am Thu 6 Sep 12

Firstly, Just-Say-It, the last thing you mention on your previous post is about being a mature adult yet you comment on shutit's post by saying they need an evening class to learn spelling and grammar, that's a little bit immature if you ask me! Also if a pub is your local then 3/4 times a week isn't bad, perhaps it is just a quick pint after work! You talk about the police being called and they were! Once the 'fight' took the street the police were there within 2 minutes, this is actual information from eye witnesses. Now a lot can happen in two minutes but that's how long it took, probably because there were no police patrolling the area at that time, if a pub has a late license, no matter whaere it is, police should always be close by especially near closing time! I've witnessed drug delaing in a far better class of pub than the Cross Keys in Marlow, it's just an unavoidable thing that unfortunately happens everywhere these days and it is hard to combat, I doubt any bouncer wants to do fully body searches on everyone who enters the pub! I know the landlord well so to say he is in on the durg dealing or giving back handers to the council is rubbish. The landlord and staff, especially on a busy Saturday night probably didn't see who started the trouble and any names they are given could just be hearsay. Shutit (whoever you are, i'm sure we've met before, probably in the Keys) don't pay too much attention to the replies you have had, some people just jump on the band wagon without knowing all the facts. I'm sure I will get negative responses to this post but I really don't care. I'm going to contiune with my work now and perhapslater I'll go for a nice pint in the Cross Keys!

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just-say-it says...
11:25am Fri 7 Sep 12

Levels of maturity differ when it is fighting and putting somebody in hospital and verbally corrrecting somebody!
I think all of you would have a different opinion on this if you knew the person that had been hospitalised... but you dont really care about that person, just that the pubs name is cleared! The pub SHOULD have called the police when the fighting kicked off inside and glasses were being thrown, instead they allowed both parties to be outside together... what did they think was going to happen! The pub is a joke! You are a joke for thinking that this is normal! I too used to be a regular in that pub.... and when you dont go there anymore and remove yourself from the cross keys family of locals.... you see how morally incorrect the pub is! Pathetic!

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shutit says...
6:55pm Sat 8 Sep 12

Just-say-it are you a retard ?? the pub gets very very very busy on weekends and the bar staff would not have been able to see who was throwing the bottles etc and you would know how busy it was if what you say is true you used to drink in there!!

The landlord is a very nice man and i think for you people that sit behind a computer slagging the pub of are the real joke ! none of you know the landlord or the staff so maybe you should talk about something you do know !

If a fight breaks out in a pub which it does in a lot of pubs the first thing that happens is they are removed so if both parties are having a fight inside the pub they both get removed because the landlord does not want fighting in his pub if he was to keep one of the parties in the pub he then would look like he was taking a side , Plus have you ever tried keeping 20 grown Men in one place they will always over power you and get outside at some point and if it would not have happened that night it would have happened somewhere else so none of you know any real facts and im not going to start asking the landlord and staff what happen and for name thats what the police are there for ! its the only thing the police have actually done !!

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The_whole_truth says...
2:09pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Shut it! I am also a regular customer of the cross keys, I voice my opinion on this website because the landlord and it's staff abuse and retaliate to ANY form of critism positive or negative on other sites that they allow feedback ie Facebook. You are clearly a member of staff at the pub because I do not know anyother regular or local that would hold your point of view. I ONLY go to the cross keys to visit friends who happen to be there. The drinks are over priced, the bar staff especially the young bar girl are rude and miserable, constantly ignoring customers whilst they play on their phones. The land lady is abusive and constantly drunk. I have actually witnessed her swear at paying customers. I have seen certain customers exchanging drugs and cash in the side alley under the view of staff, doorman and cctv. I know from first hand discussions with staff that they know exactly who started the fight. Who got glassed, who was jumping on a car outside the pub, who hit someone with a fence panel and still not one of them has given an honest statement to the police! So if I were you I would take your own advice and "shut it"

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