Incinerator plan will not be reconsidered

Incinerator plan will not be reconsidered Incinerator plan will not be reconsidered

AN ATTEMPT to make council chiefs reconsider controversial plans for a new incinerator in north Bucks has failed.

Buckinghamshire County Council's scrutiny committee has just ruled against accepting a 'call in' on the decision to award a 30-year contract for the future treatment of waste FCC Environment UK, formerly WRG Ltd.

It is worth £275million.

Campaigners today went to Aylesbury to persuade members to tell Cabinet to re-examine the proposal.

But just one councillor on the committee, Niknam Hussain, voted to 'call in' the decision.

A proposed plant in Calvert, north Bucks, where rubbish would be burned to turn into energy, is the key element of the strategy.

The council says the plant would save it about £100m over 30 years and generate low carbon electricity for up to 36,000 homes.

Councillor Michael Brand and other colleagues requested further scrutiny of the decision.

But summing up in the last few minutes, committee chairman Cllr Lesley Clarke, said: “We have heard from expert witnesses who have responded to the six points detailed in the call-in.

"The committee does not find that there is any reason to refer the decision back to cabinet or to full council. It is clear to this committee that the programme is robust, represents value for money and is capable of delivering what has been promised.”

Fellow committee members, including ex-leader Cllr David Shakespeare, said concerns over the budget, which had been their primary focus, had been allayed following the private section of the public meeting this afternoon.

Cllr Clarke said she was content with reassurances given on the matter.

Cllr Trevor Egleton said: “We have very firm assurance that we are operating within the budget process at the moment.

“I'm not convinced with any of of the issues on the call in that we should refer it back to Cabinet.”

One of the grounds for the case put by opponents was a lack of proper consultation.

Committee Member Michael Edmonds said: “I think it's fair to say that a one of the local members we weren't consulted but having said that I'm convinced having read all the papers that all members of the council were consulted by email.”

Cabinet Member for Environment, Cllr Steven Adams, had earlier defended the decision and denied it had been anything other than open and transparent, saying it has already been through scrutiny seven times.

“We have consulted fully, frankly and completely,” he said.

Campaigners had raised questions over documents where information had been blacked out or redacted.

Cllr Adams said: “There's a reason we have redacted some information because we have to protect the commercial position of the contractor.”

He said it would damage future negotiations with potential partners if certain details were disclosed.

“Redaction is not a lack of transparency, it's a way to protect Buckinghamshire County Council taxpayers' interests,” he insisted.

Cllr Brand said in the earlier exchanges that legal experts had advised the campaigners they had an excellent case but could not disclose all the details today.

Campaigner Michael Barnes said the business case was flawed and went into detail about the financial reports of FCC.

He claimed the deal left BCC with a “great deal of risk” while colleague Peter Evershed labelled the move a 'commercial gamble'.

Already, a sub-plan for an expansion of High Heavens waste centre in Booker, where rubbish will be bulked up before being transferred to Calvert has been approved.

It was given the go ahead despite outcry over an extra 21 lorries per day travelling to the site.

A similar plan for Amersham has, however, been rejected.

Comment from FCC to come.

Comments (14)

4:48pm Tue 4 Sep 12

motco says...

Quelle surprise!
Quelle surprise! [rolls eyes skyward] motco

5:01pm Tue 4 Sep 12

miccles says...

Did anybody think any different, can read these councillors like a book, if the general public do not want something, then the council goes ahead with it.
Did anybody think any different, can read these councillors like a book, if the general public do not want something, then the council goes ahead with it. miccles

6:13pm Tue 4 Sep 12

s6blr says...

Why does BCC even bother? They hate the taxpayers, they have nothing but disdain for the public.

I'm not surprised in the least.
Why does BCC even bother? They hate the taxpayers, they have nothing but disdain for the public. I'm not surprised in the least. s6blr

7:10pm Tue 4 Sep 12

washondo says...

One can only hope that each and every one of the councillors lives for at least 30 years!
~
Does "proper consultation" involve only members of the council???...?
One can only hope that each and every one of the councillors lives for at least 30 years! ~ Does "proper consultation" involve only members of the council???...? washondo

9:30pm Tue 4 Sep 12

Michael, HP7 says...

More surprises

"Cllr Lesley Clarke objected to a call-in". Hmm Stadium fiasco anyone. Cllr in charge of that.
- David Shakespeare - was that the smarmy bloke who made sure his mug-shot and/or ceo 'initiatives, accompanied by beaming subservient 'teams' and beaming 'clients', was always front- and inside- paging the BCC Pravda? Bucks Times, produced by external -- PR company?
Surely not. under that cllr / ceo's watch. Missing funds in Iceland?
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Final point - from a reader's point of view, i.e. understandability,it would be helpful if you put (Con), (LibDem) (Lab), (Ind) or, whatever to inform and balance out long pieces.

Just on the first mention would do.

You being the political reporter.

Glad you have made clear that this sceme is being sold as a 'waste to energy' project. Not vice versa. As previously reported, twice, as 'waste from energy'.

Nice to get it right.

And just fancy that: private session, within public session. Does that happen in many councils?
---------
Any intern openings on BFP? Me havva ver' good Heengleesh and ham, much good on 'energy to waste'. Just viewing your pieces.
More surprises "Cllr Lesley Clarke objected to a call-in". Hmm Stadium fiasco anyone. Cllr in charge of that. - David Shakespeare - was that the smarmy bloke who made sure his mug-shot and/or ceo 'initiatives, accompanied by beaming subservient 'teams' and beaming 'clients', was always front- and inside- paging the BCC Pravda? Bucks Times, produced by external -- PR company? Surely not. under that cllr / ceo's watch. Missing funds in Iceland? --- Final point - from a reader's point of view, i.e. understandability,it would be helpful if you put (Con), (LibDem) (Lab), (Ind) or, whatever to inform and balance out long pieces. Just on the first mention would do. You being the political reporter. Glad you have made clear that this sceme is being sold as a 'waste to energy' project. Not vice versa. As previously reported, twice, as 'waste from energy'. Nice to get it right. And just fancy that: private session, within public session. Does that happen in many councils? --------- Any intern openings on BFP? Me havva ver' good Heengleesh and ham, much good on 'energy to waste'. Just viewing your pieces. Michael, HP7

10:34pm Tue 4 Sep 12

ImpeturbableLawrence says...

s6blr wrote:
Why does BCC even bother? They hate the taxpayers, they have nothing but disdain for the public.

I'm not surprised in the least.
s6blr is being cynical I think.

This is the sort of thing that, if we read about it somewhere in the US Deep South we would immediately regard as corruption or apparent corruption from a local government clique:
Campaigners had raised questions over documents where information had been blacked out or redacted. Cllr Adams said: “There's a reason we have redacted some information because we have to protect the commercial position of the contractor.” … Cllr Brand said in the earlier exchanges that legal experts had advised the campaigners they had an excellent case but could not disclose all the details today.



Obviously this is NOT the US Deep South and it must be honest (although it's not actually above board) in this country.

Although it’s a great shame that councillors can’t share with us the details of how they are spending our money and why their case is a good one, their first loyalty is to the contractors. We voters don’t really need to see commercially confidential evidence and I am sure we can trust people like Lesley Clarke and David Shakespeare who have shown in the past that they can be trusted to look after our money and deal honestly, rationally and impartially on our behalf with contractors and commercial interests like … well stadium developers are an obvious example.
[quote][p][bold]s6blr[/bold] wrote: Why does BCC even bother? They hate the taxpayers, they have nothing but disdain for the public. I'm not surprised in the least.[/p][/quote]s6blr is being cynical I think. This is the sort of thing that, if we read about it somewhere in the US Deep South we would immediately regard as corruption or apparent corruption from a local government clique: [quote]Campaigners had raised questions over documents where information had been blacked out or redacted. Cllr Adams said: “There's a reason we have redacted some information because we have to protect the commercial position of the contractor.” … Cllr Brand said in the earlier exchanges that legal experts had advised the campaigners they had an excellent case but could not disclose all the details today. [/quote] Obviously this is NOT the US Deep South and it must be honest (although it's not actually above board) in this country. Although it’s a great shame that councillors can’t share with us the details of how they are spending our money and why their case is a good one, their first loyalty is to the contractors. We voters don’t really need to see commercially confidential evidence and I am sure we can trust people like Lesley Clarke and David Shakespeare who have shown in the past that they can be trusted to look after our money and deal honestly, rationally and impartially on our behalf with contractors and commercial interests like … well stadium developers are an obvious example. ImpeturbableLawrence

10:36pm Tue 4 Sep 12

ImpeturbableLawrence says...

Comment from FCC to come.


Why should they make any kind of useful comment now? They have the contract and are not prepared to put their cards on the table only redacted cards.
[quote] Comment from FCC to come. [/quote] Why should they make any kind of useful comment now? They have the contract and are not prepared to put their cards on the table only redacted cards. ImpeturbableLawrence

10:39pm Tue 4 Sep 12

Michael, HP7 says...

--------------
James Nadal report of the deal
" It is worth £275million."

Is that, being unsourced, a made-up, utterly unchecked, republished figure?

-To whom, is it worth, the quoted £250m? Who arrived at that figure?
-Or just more easy-slush relayed, from subsequent unquoted hand-outs.

Who will be paying, locally, and how much of that figure? And over what period?

Maybe that will make a story for James Nadal.
Future Nadal exclusives: Estate Agents My Friends, Councillors at Senior Level, My Friends, Health Authorities My Friends, all old Councillors at senior level, my robust critics, also My Friends.

Will that do?
Source-agreeable reporting is a speciality.

One would re-churn out the PR for that dumping station.

Let me know your thoughts.
-------------- James Nadal report of the deal " It is worth £275million." Is that, being unsourced, a made-up, utterly unchecked, republished figure? -To whom, is it worth, the quoted £250m? Who arrived at that figure? -Or just more easy-slush relayed, from subsequent unquoted hand-outs. Who will be paying, locally, and how much of that figure? And over what period? Maybe that will make a story for James Nadal. Future Nadal exclusives: Estate Agents My Friends, Councillors at Senior Level, My Friends, Health Authorities My Friends, all old Councillors at senior level, my robust critics, also My Friends. Will that do? Source-agreeable reporting is a speciality. One would re-churn out the PR for that dumping station. Let me know your thoughts. Michael, HP7

10:40pm Tue 4 Sep 12

ImpeturbableLawrence says...

What we need is some kind of consultative system where local representatives have the final say and state public opinion after public disclosure of the case for and against developments of a controversial nature … oh wait a minute.
What we need is some kind of consultative system where local representatives have the final say and state public opinion after public disclosure of the case for and against developments of a controversial nature … oh wait a minute. ImpeturbableLawrence

10:43pm Tue 4 Sep 12

ImpeturbableLawrence says...

miccles wrote:
Did anybody think any different, can read these councillors like a book, if the general public do not want something, then the council goes ahead with it.
Judging on past form they do what they want whether or not the public can be reasonably supposed to disapprove of it - they don't just do it because we don't want it - they just couldn't care less - what do they get from it one wonders.
[quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote: Did anybody think any different, can read these councillors like a book, if the general public do not want something, then the council goes ahead with it.[/p][/quote]Judging on past form they do what they want whether or not the public can be reasonably supposed to disapprove of it - they don't just do it because we don't want it - they just couldn't care less - what do they get from it one wonders. ImpeturbableLawrence

10:45pm Tue 4 Sep 12

ImpeturbableLawrence says...

ImpeturbableLawrence wrote:
miccles wrote:
Did anybody think any different, can read these councillors like a book, if the general public do not want something, then the council goes ahead with it.
Judging on past form they do what they want whether or not the public can be reasonably supposed to disapprove of it - they don't just do it because we don't want it - they just couldn't care less - what do they get from it one wonders.
Do they do it for monetary considerations, or just for the approval of rich and powerful men, or men who run rich and powerful organisations?
[quote][p][bold]ImpeturbableLawrence[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miccles[/bold] wrote: Did anybody think any different, can read these councillors like a book, if the general public do not want something, then the council goes ahead with it.[/p][/quote]Judging on past form they do what they want whether or not the public can be reasonably supposed to disapprove of it - they don't just do it because we don't want it - they just couldn't care less - what do they get from it one wonders.[/p][/quote]Do they do it for monetary considerations, or just for the approval of rich and powerful men, or men who run rich and powerful organisations? ImpeturbableLawrence

8:27am Wed 5 Sep 12

s6blr says...

Well ImpeturbableLawrence
, in the US South, one knows who's on what side. Here, we know the BCC is ONLY on the vendor's side.

Would it be easier for the idiots in BCC if we all left the county so they could finish ruining it?
Well ImpeturbableLawrence , in the US South, one knows who's on what side. Here, we know the BCC is ONLY on the vendor's side. Would it be easier for the idiots in BCC if we all left the county so they could finish ruining it? s6blr

9:51am Wed 5 Sep 12

motco says...

The principal protagonist in the cabinet for this scheme has subsequently had the brass neck to be the leader of protests against HS2 on 'environmental' grounds. Oh the irony...
The principal protagonist in the cabinet for this scheme has subsequently had the brass neck to be the leader of protests against HS2 on 'environmental' grounds. Oh the irony... motco

10:43am Wed 5 Sep 12

ImpeturbableLawrence says...

This what Clarke and the others would have done if they hadbeen able to with the Booker Stadium - side with the developer on 'commonsense' grounds that they unfortunately could not explain to the public.
This what Clarke and the others would have done if they hadbeen able to with the Booker Stadium - side with the developer on 'commonsense' grounds that they unfortunately could not explain to the public. ImpeturbableLawrence
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