Wycombe Hospital's emergency room to close next week (From Bucks Free Press)

Great, whatever you do, don't have an accident in Wycombe then or you'll wake up in Mandeville or Wexham... or die on the way.

50,000 leaflets, in a town with over 90,000 people, and that doesn't count all the villages and neighbouring towns it serves. I haven't had one.

This beggars belief. No A&E in a town of this size is ludicrous

This IS ludicrous. How can a town the size of High Wycombe, not have an A&E department?

Getting to Stoke Mandeville is a joke.

What happens if there is carnage on the M40 in this area?

Living on the east side of town certainly makes Wexham Park a better option.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Wholesale changes have also been made to emergency response.

We now have a fleet of ambulance cars in the area delivering our emergency medical response. They are parked 24/7 at strategic points on the main roads around town. I know there is one permanently parked up at the Kingsmead Business Park on London Road.

If you dial 999, you don't get a proper ambulance from the hospital but one of these cars staffed by two muppets who have been sitting in the vehicle all day scratching their balls, eating fast food and p!ssing in bushes. Not exactly hygenic if you ask me. What's more, just a bit of first aid training between them, nothing more formal than that.

If you have a heart attack in HW they still offer care at Wycombe Hospital but you will likely die on the way in because of these unqualified gophers. As any survivor of a heart attack will tell you, the first ten minutes are crucial.

Did we vote for this ?

Stalemate wrote:
This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Wholesale changes have also been made to emergency response.

We now have a fleet of ambulance cars in the area delivering our emergency medical response. They are parked 24/7 at strategic points on the main roads around town. I know there is one permanently parked up at the Kingsmead Business Park on London Road.

If you dial 999, you don't get a proper ambulance from the hospital but one of these cars staffed by two muppets who have been sitting in the vehicle all day scratching their balls, eating fast food and p!ssing in bushes. Not exactly hygenic if you ask me. What's more, just a bit of first aid training between them, nothing more formal than that.

If you have a heart attack in HW they still offer care at Wycombe Hospital but you will likely die on the way in because of these unqualified gophers. As any survivor of a heart attack will tell you, the first ten minutes are crucial.

Dear god what a completely vile human being you are.
Do you get some sort of joy in making sweeping generalisations?
But still. the editor on here welcomes this sort of malicious nonsense - after all, it is free speech is it not?
Oh and ambulances don't generally come from hospitals - they come from ambulance stations.
Perhaps you could also share with us your clearly extensive knowledge on the training that paramedics get - I am sure we are all bursting to know.

Stalemate wrote:
This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Wholesale changes have also been made to emergency response.

We now have a fleet of ambulance cars in the area delivering our emergency medical response. They are parked 24/7 at strategic points on the main roads around town. I know there is one permanently parked up at the Kingsmead Business Park on London Road.

If you dial 999, you don't get a proper ambulance from the hospital but one of these cars staffed by two muppets who have been sitting in the vehicle all day scratching their balls, eating fast food and p!ssing in bushes. Not exactly hygenic if you ask me. What's more, just a bit of first aid training between them, nothing more formal than that.

If you have a heart attack in HW they still offer care at Wycombe Hospital but you will likely die on the way in because of these unqualified gophers. As any survivor of a heart attack will tell you, the first ten minutes are crucial.

Your talking utter rubbish my friend.

Yes there are emergency responders that will go to incidents (like there are in every part of the country) but the vast majority of people attending 999 calls are indeed qualified paramedics and tech's.

When you see the rapid response vehicles responding to an incident you will see the vast majority are single crewed.........by a paramedic.

And if someone wishes to go to the toilet they will do so at an ambulance station. Fool.

It's disgraceful that a town the size of Wycombe with its prominent location close to the motorway does not have full A&E services at its hospital.
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When will these people learn that people who live in Wycombe and the surrounding villages generally have nothing to do with Stoke Mandeville or Aylesbury. County town or not, we don't go there! So why force us to go there for our healthcare when it's a rubbish, long and congested drive away. I refuse - will continue to go to the John Radcliife up the M40. These people are completely devoid of common sense. The town the size of Wycombe should have a general hospital.

Well Demoness, at least this is healthy debate.

The fact is that there are emergency responder cars parked up all over the district and the chaps do sit in the cars all day waiting for the next call out.

Any Wycombe resident can see these responder cars out and about and parked up. They never used to exist. What I say is factually true. If the truth is malicious then so be it.

"Wycombe Hospital’s emergency room will close next week as part of controversial NHS changes which were agreed earlier this year"

Agreed by whom, exactly?

realist_highwycombe wrote:

Stalemate wrote:
This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Wholesale changes have also been made to emergency response.

We now have a fleet of ambulance cars in the area delivering our emergency medical response. They are parked 24/7 at strategic points on the main roads around town. I know there is one permanently parked up at the Kingsmead Business Park on London Road.

If you dial 999, you don't get a proper ambulance from the hospital but one of these cars staffed by two muppets who have been sitting in the vehicle all day scratching their balls, eating fast food and p!ssing in bushes. Not exactly hygenic if you ask me. What's more, just a bit of first aid training between them, nothing more formal than that.

If you have a heart attack in HW they still offer care at Wycombe Hospital but you will likely die on the way in because of these unqualified gophers. As any survivor of a heart attack will tell you, the first ten minutes are crucial.

Your talking utter rubbish my friend.

Yes there are emergency responders that will go to incidents (like there are in every part of the country) but the vast majority of people attending 999 calls are indeed qualified paramedics and tech's.

When you see the rapid response vehicles responding to an incident you will see the vast majority are single crewed.........by a paramedic.

And if someone wishes to go to the toilet they will do so at an ambulance station. Fool.

Realist_highwycombe

It is not good enough that the "vast majority" of those attending 999 calls are qualified paramedics, it must be 100%, end of story!

Have you heard of "mission creep". The "vast majority" will soon become 50:50 and then hardly ever!

If you know the emergency services, then I am glad you are contributing to this thread. I am simply a member of the public observing. Tell us more realist, we are interested...(and I'm not being sarcastic, OK!)

Roll on the super hospital?

So there you have it folks.

If you have an emergency, you will need to go all the way to Stoke Mandeville, who will not be able to cope to look after you (after your nearly hour long journey to get there) till they have their extension built next year.

What can you, we, do about it?

Nothing.

Nadda.

We have been given the choice of accepting a new Super Hospital which will be just as far away as Stoke or Wexham Park - or just Stoke which is understaffed and in need of extra space to deal with the increased capacity.

If it wasn’t actually happening in real life - it would seem a joke. But it's no joke, it is real.

jdough wrote:
"Wycombe Hospital’s emergency room will close next week as part of controversial NHS changes which were agreed earlier this year"

Agreed by whom, exactly?

yes i agree by whom.

Have the people who decided to shut down a much needed A & E in Wycombe realise that when an accident on the M40 or A404 and all there resources are needed to attend, what happens to people who need one for heart problems, car accidents on A & B roads, people breaking limbs at home, OAP's having falls and in lots of pain, Wake up Cameron and his monkeys, do not let the death rate shoot sky high in high wycombe

"More than 50,000 leaflets have been sent out to alert residents to the closure and give advice about where to go for urgent or emergency care"

So where were these leaflets delivered to??? certainly not through my letterbox.

hm1 wrote:
50,000 leaflets, in a town with over 90,000 people, and that doesn't count all the villages and neighbouring towns it serves. I haven't had one.

I didn't get one either, ill reckon ill be heading to Maidenhead if in need of an emergency.

Stalemate wrote:

realist_highwycombe wrote:

Stalemate wrote:
This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Wholesale changes have also been made to emergency response.

We now have a fleet of ambulance cars in the area delivering our emergency medical response. They are parked 24/7 at strategic points on the main roads around town. I know there is one permanently parked up at the Kingsmead Business Park on London Road.

If you dial 999, you don't get a proper ambulance from the hospital but one of these cars staffed by two muppets who have been sitting in the vehicle all day scratching their balls, eating fast food and p!ssing in bushes. Not exactly hygenic if you ask me. What's more, just a bit of first aid training between them, nothing more formal than that.

If you have a heart attack in HW they still offer care at Wycombe Hospital but you will likely die on the way in because of these unqualified gophers. As any survivor of a heart attack will tell you, the first ten minutes are crucial.

Your talking utter rubbish my friend.

Yes there are emergency responders that will go to incidents (like there are in every part of the country) but the vast majority of people attending 999 calls are indeed qualified paramedics and tech's.

When you see the rapid response vehicles responding to an incident you will see the vast majority are single crewed.........by a paramedic.

And if someone wishes to go to the toilet they will do so at an ambulance station. Fool.

Realist_highwycombe

It is not good enough that the "vast majority" of those attending 999 calls are qualified paramedics, it must be 100%, end of story!

Have you heard of "mission creep". The "vast majority" will soon become 50:50 and then hardly ever!

If you know the emergency services, then I am glad you are contributing to this thread. I am simply a member of the public observing. Tell us more realist, we are interested...(and I'm not being sarcastic, OK!)

Unfortunately there simply is not enough money in the pot across the whole public sector to provide a service we want.

When a Government wishes to make cuts left, right and centre to emergency services then a paramedic cannot AND should not be sent to every incident.

Not all incidents require a paramedic, infact many do not require an ambulance at all - the same goes for the police where they have to work as 24 hour social workers instead of police officers.

Next time you see a vehicle parked on the roadside, go and talk to them - you will see they are a paramedic or a technichan. Both qualified, both ready to respond. The only time you will not see this is if you see the RAF First Responder team who do a fantastic job in providing life saving treatment before an ambulance crew can arrive. They can defib and perform many other life saving techniques.

In the ideal world a policeman would be on every street corner, a paramedic stood by them and both would be sent within minutes to your emergency - in the real world there are hardly any police officers for the size of this town and not enough ambulance staff. They do their best in extremely difficult conditions and for that they should be thanked.

The main issue here is the closure of the EMC at Wycombe - it's disgusting.

We all know how much of a dangerous road the A4010 is and how long it can take to get to Stoke Mandeville. Even on a good day it can be 45 minutes - take 15 off of that if you are in an ambulance on blue lights and you are still looking at 30 minutes. Shocking.

This ever expanding town needs a fully equipped A&E, what is happening is wrong.

jdough wrote:
"Wycombe Hospital’s emergency room will close next week as part of controversial NHS changes which were agreed earlier this year"

Agreed by whom, exactly?

Little gangs of self-selecting unelected Bureaucrats and 'consultant' accountants - that's who. And 'they' soon move on to the next well-rewarded 'job' elsewhere
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The democracy that this country used to be proud of has now been chiselled away to virtually nothing.
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And yet all the arrogant pompous self-important politicians strut about on in venues / stages in front 'select' audiences / spectators and declare how wonderfully they are and have been running things.
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What ever happened to true democracy and ordinary folk having a say in anything ? One vote , once every 5 years is no answer.
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The process is in fact absolutely pathetic and the whole so-called 'democratic' system is not fit for purpose. It has been subverted and undermined by those who wish us no good at all. Quite the opposite in fact !

Hi Realist

Well it appears that you have no concern that Wycombe maybe on a slippery slope as far as emergency response is concerned, and that qualified staff will continue to be despatched to the scene when they are required.

In relation to EMC (to borrow your term) in Wycombe, public confusion abounds:
There are different bodies: trusts, authorities and councils, each of these have local, county and national versions, and each of these versions have elected management teams and permanent management teams. By my calculation, that makes at least 2x3x3 = 18 possible management teams who could be blamed for this closure.

Can you shed any light on who pushed this closure through?

SDH wrote:

hm1 wrote:
50,000 leaflets, in a town with over 90,000 people, and that doesn't count all the villages and neighbouring towns it serves. I haven't had one.

I didn't get one either, ill reckon ill be heading to Maidenhead if in need of an emergency.

we did not get one, but my sister who lives 20 doors away did, so whoever was paid to distribute them, not getting the job done shortcuts bad bad society we live in

I picked up one at a doctor's surgery today. What is extra bizarre is that I can't find one online!

Contents state from Oct 1st Wycombe has only a Minor Injuries and Illness Unit (MIIU):

Wycombe MIIU at WGH will mean adults can be treated for: cuts/bruises, sprains/strains, bites/stings, scalds and minor burns (not on neck/head), infected wounds, suspected fractures, minor head injuries (no loss of conciousness), onbects lodged in ears, eyes, nose mouth.
Children will be treated for all the above except head injuries of any kind.

Any severe abdominal pain, history of aoritc anuerism got to A&E. Any seriously ill children go to A&E.

Hughenden Parish Council are on the ball: Leaflet here

http://www.hughenden
parishcouncil.org.uk
/app/download/579184
3496/MIIU+leaflet.pd
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Speins wrote:
When will these people learn that people who live in Wycombe and the surrounding villages generally have nothing to do with Stoke Mandeville or Aylesbury. County town or not, we don't go there! So why force us to go there for our healthcare when it's a rubbish, long and congested drive away. I refuse - will continue to go to the John Radcliife up the M40. These people are completely devoid of common sense. The town the size of Wycombe should have a general hospital.

Sorry to disagree but some of us do have something to do with Aylesbury and indeed SM hospital for various reasons you are generalising on behalf of other people, It is not a long complicated journey neither by bus the 300 service runs every 20 mins and even enters the hospital grounds, even by car it is no real problem and the parking charges are the same as HW, yes we would all like to have a hospital on our doorstep and in walking distance but this will never be the case for everyone, what puzzles me though is your preference to go to the JR assuming you live in High Wycombe this is a 25 mile journey compared with 12 miles to SM and JR has quite complicated access through side roads and limited parking and remember JR is in Oxfordshire so you would go out of county but not use nearer hospital facilities in Bucks, apart from all this I do NOT agree with what is happening to HW hospital and strongly agree it should be fully functional in all departments in particular A&E.

Instead of us all whinging on here we should be doind a demo at wycombe hostpital saying we want our services back here, as i said earlier, when there is a pile up on the motorway and needs the attendance of 6 ambulances for example, then other people will suffer as they cannot get to them quick enough, same as when ambulances go to SM or WP or JR your looking at an ambulance out of service for 2 to 6 hours at a time, absolute stupid, and the NHS big wigs think they are saving money, they believe vdu's computer programms do the work, and cannot see what goes on on the outside of a building, fecking people who run these are so stupid, as all Tories like to look at figures, not what they see with there own eyes

CRIMINAL!
Marlow A&E shut years ago that was fine,but a town the size of Wycombe has any of the people involved in the closing ever been there it is always packed.

The only people responsible ? all Prime Ministers from last 20 years. Maybe they and there families should be banned from all hospitals private and public and then flown by air ambulance in an emergency, to the Middle East.

The newly formed CCG has remorsely pushed the transfer of emergency services & other major services to SM.
This is not about the quality of paramedics/ambulance staff - even with the most highly qualified paramedics - the journey to SM can be expected to result in the deaths of about 1/2 of emergency patients.
Its simply a matter of time & distance.
This is known to those making the decisions - they have simply decided to put profit before people..end of story...

Coming soon to a hospital near you!!

http://tinyurl.com/d
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richardoxuk, you sound like a man in the know!

What is "CCG" and do you know for a fact they pushed this through?

Googled it, here you go:

www.chilternccg.nhs.
uk

I have not received a leaflet with any of this information. With regards to ambulance response, as far as i am aware there have been no redundancies or cut backs so i would assume there are the same number available as before.

See this report in the Mail on Sunday -
it includes Wycombe -
The deaths of many patients will be on the hands of the planners of this "profits before people" policy...
http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2210690/Scandal-A-E-
closures-Ambulance-c
rews-brink-collapse.
html
-Shameful - but greed knows no conscience...