Labour: Wycombe on verge of housing crisis (From Bucks Free Press)
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Labour: Wycombe on verge of housing crisis
10:00am Monday 1st October 2012 in News By James Nadal
Councillor Victoria Groulef
WYCOMBE is teetering on the precipice of a major homeless crisis, the Labour party claims.
Increasing numbers of desperate families are coming to surgeries held by the group, Councillor Victoria Groulef said, as she berated the 'shabby' strategy of the Tory controlled authority.
Cllr Groulef, leader of the Wycombe Labour group, said in recent weeks about 20 families have come to her, including a man who is sleeping rough in a park.
She said: "These are people in a pretty bad state, who can't afford to pay rent or have lost their jobs.
“The housing situation in Wycombe is becoming really serious and it's only going to get worse the number of caseloads we are now getting is massive.
“There are families with kids who are on their knees and it breaks my heart, it's getting dreadfully bad.”
Labour said that the quarterly figures for bed-and-breakfast being used by Wycombe District Council is still going up and many of those are being relocated Slough because it is cheaper.
Cllr Groulef said: "They need a holistic approach to tackle the problem."
She labelled councils current strategy strategy 'shabby' for what she described as some of the most vulnerable people in society.
WDC's Cabinet approved a feasibility study on a new approach to temporary housing in July.
Spokesman Sue Robinson said: “In line with all the expert guidance there is a pressing obligation to make effective use of all available housing assets in order and this has been our focus.
“It has enabled us to avoid having to utilise emergency bed and breakfast accommodation where families have to share kitchen and bathroom facilities with others and are located outside the district with all the disruption for work, family ties and schooling which that entails.
“The council is diligently meeting its responsibilities to house and support the homeless. We only utilise bed and breakfast as very short term emergency accommodation whilst we make arrangements for appropriate temporary accommodation.”
She confirmed four households are in bed and breakfasts currently in Slough, the nearest approved accommodation.
A homelessness review is under way, to be published in the new year.
Comments(74)
BOOKERite
says...
10:20am Mon 1 Oct 12
Party politics again! Perhaps if it hadn't been Labour's policy for eleven years to let as many immigrants into the UK as they did, then High Wycombe and the rest of the country wouldn't have such a dire housing shortage and the rest of the problems that over population brings with it.
readerabc
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10:47am Mon 1 Oct 12
erum..there has been a major homelessness issue for years! it's not new!
perhaps if we weren't the dumping ground for all it might not be so bad!! I work inthe town and talk to people who come here from london "for work" and end up homeless as there is no work, or come from overseas for work and a home!!
perhaps if we weren't the dumping ground for all it might not be so bad!! I work inthe town and talk to people who come here from london "for work" and end up homeless as there is no work, or come from overseas for work and a home!!
A VOTER
says...
10:56am Mon 1 Oct 12
I’m not convinced that labour should be bleating on about this, given that they are the primary instigator of many of this country’s problems.
BOOKERite is correct about the ‘open doors’ policy of the labour government, allowing unfettered immigration to cause many of today’s housing problems.
In addition to that, Labour is one of the main reasons that this country can’t afford many things, having sold our gold reserves at knock down prices that even ‘We buy any gold’ would have been ashamed of.
Conservatives aren’t much better, but Labour should hang their heads in shame for what they have done to this country.
BOOKERite is correct about the ‘open doors’ policy of the labour government, allowing unfettered immigration to cause many of today’s housing problems.
In addition to that, Labour is one of the main reasons that this country can’t afford many things, having sold our gold reserves at knock down prices that even ‘We buy any gold’ would have been ashamed of.
Conservatives aren’t much better, but Labour should hang their heads in shame for what they have done to this country.
Darren Hayday
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11:03am Mon 1 Oct 12
Labour blame the Conservatives, the Conservatives blame Labour and around and around the merry go round goes – yes you guessed it ‘round’.
Labour did let in too many people from outside the UK, however I feel that I must add the following:-
There are 2 types of people in this world, the ones that want to work hard, pay their taxes and provide for their families and the others are the ones that do not fit into the first category – they want not to work and to take what they can get.
Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc
Many of whom want to work and contribute to society.
Why can’t we round up all of the people that don’t want to work and drop them in the middle of Africa/India/Where ever and keep those hard grafters that are left?
We had the right idea when we sent ships of our convicts to the other side of the world to Australia!
Ironically they only want the hard workers now!!
Labour did let in too many people from outside the UK, however I feel that I must add the following:-
There are 2 types of people in this world, the ones that want to work hard, pay their taxes and provide for their families and the others are the ones that do not fit into the first category – they want not to work and to take what they can get.
Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc
Many of whom want to work and contribute to society.
Why can’t we round up all of the people that don’t want to work and drop them in the middle of Africa/India/Where ever and keep those hard grafters that are left?
We had the right idea when we sent ships of our convicts to the other side of the world to Australia!
Ironically they only want the hard workers now!!
sweetleaf89uk
says...
11:05am Mon 1 Oct 12
As readerabc has said, its not a new problem. no work, no houses what do they expect. The council is too busy spending the peoples tax on unnecessary things for example the survey on the councils services I received in the post. What a waste of time and resources, I could of gone into the offices and told them they were rubbish for nothing. All the money to produce that paperwork would have been better spent.
Welwyn Dowd
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11:45am Mon 1 Oct 12
You can see why the Tories dropped Heyday. Rivers of blood all over again.
Darren Hayday
says...
12:06pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Welwyn Dowd wrote:The Tories never dropped me; I decided to stand down and also to return my membership card to them (in two half’s). My name is spelt "Hayday" and not Heyday and finally in what way are you comparing me to Enoch Powel? - I am saying that we do live in a very racist Country, my wife is an immigrant and she has to go through it all. I would rather employee an immigrant worker rather than a feckless British born worker. LEARN TO READ Mr LibDem activist.
You can see why the Tories dropped Heyday. Rivers of blood all over again.
A VOTER
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12:22pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Darren Hayday I would rather employee an immigrant worker rather than a feckless British born worker.Mr Hayday. Please be advised that there are also plenty of ‘feckless’ immigrant workers, many of which specifically came to this country for the benefits and free housing.
I agree that many immigrants work hard, and many benefit this country. We also have may native British people that are lazy, and work the system.
Unfettered immigration has led to housing shortages nationwide. It is Government policies that have caused the vast majority of the problems in this country.
Irritatingly, the people who have caused these problems, are the people that are not affected by them. This includes Politicians and Bankers.
Darren Hayday
says...
12:40pm Mon 1 Oct 12
A VOTER wrote:I agree with you entirely.
Darren Hayday I would rather employee an immigrant worker rather than a feckless British born worker.Mr Hayday. Please be advised that there are also plenty of ‘feckless’ immigrant workers, many of which specifically came to this country for the benefits and free housing.
I agree that many immigrants work hard, and many benefit this country. We also have may native British people that are lazy, and work the system.
Unfettered immigration has led to housing shortages nationwide. It is Government policies that have caused the vast majority of the problems in this country.
Irritatingly, the people who have caused these problems, are the people that are not affected by them. This includes Politicians and Bankers.
J B Blackett
says...
1:06pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
sparky49
says...
1:13pm Mon 1 Oct 12
I have read all the comments regarding this subject. The first thing that comes out is the amount of xenophobia being displayed. Lets look at the main content of the article. Social housing shortage. Why? Thatcher sold off the council homes to allow folk to become homeowners and better themselves. No problem with that. The problem began when those homes were not replaced, coupled with a lack of building new homes, which in turn pushed up the price of new homes preventing many from getting on the ladder. Those already on the ladder saw the value of their homes soar. You can not blame immigrants for everything. Most of them are commonwealth passport holders or EU members which allow people to move form country to country with in the EU. The fact this country is one of the richest in the EU hence why people want to come here, couple this with dodgy employers who exploit them with low wages. There are actually 3 types of people that were mentioned earlier, the missing type is The Philip Greens of this world that are plentiful. Forget your politics for one moment and take a view that is impartial. Result would be that we will still argue and blame the other party. This situation will not be resolved simply because a mass social housing programme along the scale of the 60's and 70''s is what is needed but neither party has the courage to do so for fear of private home values dropping. We are in a catch 22 and now reaping what was sowed 30 years ago.
A VOTER
says...
1:28pm Mon 1 Oct 12
I have just been watching the Labour Conference on BBC2. A female labour politician has just given an interview explaining that the labour party will build 100,000 affordable new homes, at a cost of £3 billion, by using the money from the selling of 4G mobile frequencies.
When the reporter questioned the maths used to calculate how they could build new homes for £30,000 each, she flustered and tried to avoid giving any answer.
When the reporter questioned the maths used to calculate how they could build new homes for £30,000 each, she flustered and tried to avoid giving any answer.
J B Blackett
says...
1:36pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Nothing to do with not enough jobs , too many people, sustainability or stable communities in our relatively civil society then ?
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Just build ourselves out of any problems and fund that (and all the necessary infrastructure) from lots of borrowed money that will (allegedly) get paid back a long way in the future.
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I wonder why nobody thought of that. People for instance like Dave Cameron , George Osborne ,Gordon Brown , Tony Blair , John Major , Mrs Thatcher etc.
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Oops - sorry they did !
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Just build ourselves out of any problems and fund that (and all the necessary infrastructure) from lots of borrowed money that will (allegedly) get paid back a long way in the future.
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I wonder why nobody thought of that. People for instance like Dave Cameron , George Osborne ,Gordon Brown , Tony Blair , John Major , Mrs Thatcher etc.
.
Oops - sorry they did !
tigeran
says...
1:45pm Mon 1 Oct 12
sparky49 wrote:Hey up, the voice of socialism has spoken! Better listen to these words of wisdom..............
I have read all the comments regarding this subject. The first thing that comes out is the amount of xenophobia being displayed. Lets look at the main content of the article. Social housing shortage. Why? Thatcher sold off the council homes to allow folk to become homeowners and better themselves. No problem with that. The problem began when those homes were not replaced, coupled with a lack of building new homes, which in turn pushed up the price of new homes preventing many from getting on the ladder. Those already on the ladder saw the value of their homes soar. You can not blame immigrants for everything. Most of them are commonwealth passport holders or EU members which allow people to move form country to country with in the EU. The fact this country is one of the richest in the EU hence why people want to come here, couple this with dodgy employers who exploit them with low wages. There are actually 3 types of people that were mentioned earlier, the missing type is The Philip Greens of this world that are plentiful. Forget your politics for one moment and take a view that is impartial. Result would be that we will still argue and blame the other party. This situation will not be resolved simply because a mass social housing programme along the scale of the 60's and 70''s is what is needed but neither party has the courage to do so for fear of private home values dropping. We are in a catch 22 and now reaping what was sowed 30 years ago.
....................
"Thatcher sold off the council homes to allow folk to become homeowners and better themselves"
Exactly. Trying to stop people opting for the easy route and get subsidised housing. Who would do that I wonder?.............
.....
Darren Hayday
says...
2:22pm Mon 1 Oct 12
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
tigeran
says...
2:47pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Darren Hayday wrote:"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
s, etc"
How on earth can you say that?!!!! This is THE most tolerant country in the world bar none and yes I do believe that that is part of our demise as 'Great Britain'!!! We are totally diluted! We are expected to accept every race, colour and creed and all their beliefs and cultures at the expence of our own and no questions asked!!! What an extremely warped view you have on this country!! This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!! What planet are you on?
Darren Hayday
says...
3:07pm Mon 1 Oct 12
tigeran wrote:If we lived in such a perfect Utopia where we all go around holding hands and skipping with each other - why do the BNP have followers?
Darren Hayday wrote:"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
s, etc"
How on earth can you say that?!!!! This is THE most tolerant country in the world bar none and yes I do believe that that is part of our demise as 'Great Britain'!!! We are totally diluted! We are expected to accept every race, colour and creed and all their beliefs and cultures at the expence of our own and no questions asked!!! What an extremely warped view you have on this country!! This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!! What planet are you on?
Reading between your views - it sounds as if you aren’t happy yourself "with this 'diluted' once wonderful Country."
Ironically most of us going back into our history one or some of our relatives came to the UK from another Country.
It doesn’t matter what colour your skin is, how your accent sounds or which Religion you follow - we are all from this same planet –we are all human.
J B Blackett
says...
3:20pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Darren Hayday wrote:Except for the 'politicians' who have forked tongues and scaly yet slimy skin , are from other planets and hate all the human race.
tigeran wrote:If we lived in such a perfect Utopia where we all go around holding hands and skipping with each other - why do the BNP have followers?
Darren Hayday wrote:"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
s, etc"
How on earth can you say that?!!!! This is THE most tolerant country in the world bar none and yes I do believe that that is part of our demise as 'Great Britain'!!! We are totally diluted! We are expected to accept every race, colour and creed and all their beliefs and cultures at the expence of our own and no questions asked!!! What an extremely warped view you have on this country!! This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!! What planet are you on?
Reading between your views - it sounds as if you aren’t happy yourself "with this 'diluted' once wonderful Country."
Ironically most of us going back into our history one or some of our relatives came to the UK from another Country.
It doesn’t matter what colour your skin is, how your accent sounds or which Religion you follow - we are all from this same planet –we are all human.
.
PS. You have still not explained why you think this country's people are 'very xenophobic' compared to other peoples. Evidence and some facts and figures please.
.
Otherwise I might suspect you are just indulging yourself in gratuitous name-calling for reasons best known to yourself ; and that would be not very nice.
Darren Hayday
says...
3:33pm Mon 1 Oct 12
J B Blackett wrote:From personal experience, I have never come across a friend or colleague that isn’t of white & British decent - who have never in their life (past and current) been subjected to racism or people knocking them as they are not white/British.
Darren Hayday wrote:Except for the 'politicians' who have forked tongues and scaly yet slimy skin , are from other planets and hate all the human race.
tigeran wrote:If we lived in such a perfect Utopia where we all go around holding hands and skipping with each other - why do the BNP have followers?
Darren Hayday wrote:"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
s, etc"
How on earth can you say that?!!!! This is THE most tolerant country in the world bar none and yes I do believe that that is part of our demise as 'Great Britain'!!! We are totally diluted! We are expected to accept every race, colour and creed and all their beliefs and cultures at the expence of our own and no questions asked!!! What an extremely warped view you have on this country!! This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!! What planet are you on?
Reading between your views - it sounds as if you aren’t happy yourself "with this 'diluted' once wonderful Country."
Ironically most of us going back into our history one or some of our relatives came to the UK from another Country.
It doesn’t matter what colour your skin is, how your accent sounds or which Religion you follow - we are all from this same planet –we are all human.
.
PS. You have still not explained why you think this country's people are 'very xenophobic' compared to other peoples. Evidence and some facts and figures please.
.
Otherwise I might suspect you are just indulging yourself in gratuitous name-calling for reasons best known to yourself ; and that would be not very nice.
As I previously stated. For any facts/figures/white papers that are published to back these claims up or to disprove them - it doesn’t matter, as Mark Twain once said:-
"There are Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
I'm assuming that you yourself are White British and that the only time whereby you would experience any type of xenophobia would be if you went to France and didn’t speak French to a Frenchman.
But please - ask your friends who aren’t white British and ask them if they have (evenly recently) experienced racism or xenophobia.
tigeran
says...
3:51pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Darren Hayday wrote:You really are talking like a politician now!! No it doesnt matter what colour your skin is or what your accent sounds like, my point is that you pointed the finger at this country and then also said. "Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear." refering to foreigners views on this country, my point is, what other countries indigeonous population in this world isnt exactly the same if not worse towards foreigners? Why do you persist in insisting we are any worse than any other country? Dont go singling out this country as any worse than anywhere else as it is not. This is the problem, people like you make out the British and far worse than anyone else for some unknown reason. Dont go spouting the 'perfect world' rhetoric when you know full well that will probably never happen and that has nothing to do soley with the British, resentment towards something different is a programed response in every human being irrelevant of colour or creed!
tigeran wrote:If we lived in such a perfect Utopia where we all go around holding hands and skipping with each other - why do the BNP have followers?
Darren Hayday wrote:"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
s, etc"
How on earth can you say that?!!!! This is THE most tolerant country in the world bar none and yes I do believe that that is part of our demise as 'Great Britain'!!! We are totally diluted! We are expected to accept every race, colour and creed and all their beliefs and cultures at the expence of our own and no questions asked!!! What an extremely warped view you have on this country!! This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!! What planet are you on?
Reading between your views - it sounds as if you aren’t happy yourself "with this 'diluted' once wonderful Country."
Ironically most of us going back into our history one or some of our relatives came to the UK from another Country.
It doesn’t matter what colour your skin is, how your accent sounds or which Religion you follow - we are all from this same planet –we are all human.
Darren Hayday
says...
4:01pm Mon 1 Oct 12
tigeran wrote:I have no idea who you are.
Darren Hayday wrote:You really are talking like a politician now!! No it doesnt matter what colour your skin is or what your accent sounds like, my point is that you pointed the finger at this country and then also said. "Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear." refering to foreigners views on this country, my point is, what other countries indigeonous population in this world isnt exactly the same if not worse towards foreigners? Why do you persist in insisting we are any worse than any other country? Dont go singling out this country as any worse than anywhere else as it is not. This is the problem, people like you make out the British and far worse than anyone else for some unknown reason. Dont go spouting the 'perfect world' rhetoric when you know full well that will probably never happen and that has nothing to do soley with the British, resentment towards something different is a programed response in every human being irrelevant of colour or creed!
tigeran wrote:If we lived in such a perfect Utopia where we all go around holding hands and skipping with each other - why do the BNP have followers?
Darren Hayday wrote:"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
s, etc"
How on earth can you say that?!!!! This is THE most tolerant country in the world bar none and yes I do believe that that is part of our demise as 'Great Britain'!!! We are totally diluted! We are expected to accept every race, colour and creed and all their beliefs and cultures at the expence of our own and no questions asked!!! What an extremely warped view you have on this country!! This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!! What planet are you on?
Reading between your views - it sounds as if you aren’t happy yourself "with this 'diluted' once wonderful Country."
Ironically most of us going back into our history one or some of our relatives came to the UK from another Country.
It doesn’t matter what colour your skin is, how your accent sounds or which Religion you follow - we are all from this same planet –we are all human.
feel free to email me d_hayday@hotmail.com
J B Blackett
says...
4:09pm Mon 1 Oct 12
So - you reluctant to answer the question as to whether you are of the opinion the British people are not just ' xenophobic' but 'very xenophobic'.
.
You are beginning to sounding even more like one of those off planet 'politicians'
.
I have worked and been to several (but not all) countries in the world and have not noticed that the British are 'very xenophobic' compared to the others.
.
I can tell you I experienced this 'xenophobic' reaction in all (not just some) the countries I have been to. On occasions I myself was not the target of xenophobia or what is called racism - but some of my work-mates or companions were. So I do know a bit about and have experienced this sort of behaviour. And never mind mocking and sneering at the regions of the UK people come from - which is not a crime or even not ' socially cohesive' apparently (according the politicians).
.
And you are wrong . Yes - I have also experienced anti-English and anti-regional abuse from a variety of misguided ill-informed deluded people here in this country of ours.
.
But as you apparently continue to refuse to answer my first question and prefer to just issue a blanket term of insult directed at ordinary British people , there is not much more I can tell or ask you.
.
If you were a politician, I may have understood that what you were talking the usual political stuff - but I will give you the benefit of doubt assume you aren't (like you assumed things about me)
.
You are beginning to sounding even more like one of those off planet 'politicians'
.
I have worked and been to several (but not all) countries in the world and have not noticed that the British are 'very xenophobic' compared to the others.
.
I can tell you I experienced this 'xenophobic' reaction in all (not just some) the countries I have been to. On occasions I myself was not the target of xenophobia or what is called racism - but some of my work-mates or companions were. So I do know a bit about and have experienced this sort of behaviour. And never mind mocking and sneering at the regions of the UK people come from - which is not a crime or even not ' socially cohesive' apparently (according the politicians).
.
And you are wrong . Yes - I have also experienced anti-English and anti-regional abuse from a variety of misguided ill-informed deluded people here in this country of ours.
.
But as you apparently continue to refuse to answer my first question and prefer to just issue a blanket term of insult directed at ordinary British people , there is not much more I can tell or ask you.
.
If you were a politician, I may have understood that what you were talking the usual political stuff - but I will give you the benefit of doubt assume you aren't (like you assumed things about me)
Darren Hayday
says...
4:10pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Stalemate wrote:Again, you call me 'Hayday' (at the very least you can spell my name correctly) - I would never address anyone that I didn’t know in that manner.
So when I ask Hayday, who calls others feckless, how many hours a week he works.
His retort is that it is none of my business how many hours he "works, studies or gives to public service".
By which reply I deduce maybe not much work , but some study and public service when the fancy takes him?
So Hayday, how can you call others feckless?
In relation to your wife. You, of your own free will, introduced her into the debate in the belief that, because she is of foreign origin, you may take the high ground in debates such as this.
How can you use a wife as a tool in that way? Pretty sick.
You could also use my first name 'Darren' as it is a free Country.
If the mood carried you, perhaps you could drag yourself to type 'Mr Hayday'? - but I somehow doubt it.
Just for your information - I run my own business (I have done since 2005) and I work between the hours of 8.30am to normally 5.30pm - so just to keep you happy, I work on average about 40 hours a week.
I am also studying for a Diploma and this weekend just gone I studied for all of Sat and Sunday during the day.
Also when (and if) I get re-elected as a local Cllr, I would normally dedicate a further of (on average) 2-3 hours per day.
I do not consider myself lazy, feckless or rude.
I have worked every since I was 12 and had my first paper-round delivering copies of the Bucks Free Press. My working life now spans over 20 years.
Here is a question for you, now:-
What is your real name?
Darren Hayday
says...
4:15pm Mon 1 Oct 12
J B Blackett wrote:I am of the opinion that a small minority of the British people are 'xenophobic'.
So - you reluctant to answer the question as to whether you are of the opinion the British people are not just ' xenophobic' but 'very xenophobic'.
.
You are beginning to sounding even more like one of those off planet 'politicians'
.
I have worked and been to several (but not all) countries in the world and have not noticed that the British are 'very xenophobic' compared to the others.
.
I can tell you I experienced this 'xenophobic' reaction in all (not just some) the countries I have been to. On occasions I myself was not the target of xenophobia or what is called racism - but some of my work-mates or companions were. So I do know a bit about and have experienced this sort of behaviour. And never mind mocking and sneering at the regions of the UK people come from - which is not a crime or even not ' socially cohesive' apparently (according the politicians).
.
And you are wrong . Yes - I have also experienced anti-English and anti-regional abuse from a variety of misguided ill-informed deluded people here in this country of ours.
.
But as you apparently continue to refuse to answer my first question and prefer to just issue a blanket term of insult directed at ordinary British people , there is not much more I can tell or ask you.
.
If you were a politician, I may have understood that what you were talking the usual political stuff - but I will give you the benefit of doubt assume you aren't (like you assumed things about me)
But no more so that other bigots living in other Countries.
I am not a politician, however I was and I would aspire to be in the next Bucks County Elections as an Independent member for Booker, Cressex & Castlefield.
Darren Hayday
says...
4:20pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Stalemate wrote:Didn't buy her from “Tinternet” either!
Just googled your email address Hayday, so you married into Austro-Hungarian nobility then ;-)
Not feckless though............
If I did, then perhaps I would still be entitled to a refund after all this time!!
Sales of Goods Act
Thank you for recognising that I'm not indeed feckless.
yog
says...
4:26pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Worth reminding readers that the Labour leader at the time joined with the Tories in persuading tenants to vote for the Tory housing sell off.
tigeran
says...
4:37pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Darren Hayday wrote:What has that got to do with the debate on this site? I have asked you a question on this site and I would like you to answer me what I asked. You started to point the finger, now explian why.
tigeran wrote:I have no idea who you are.
Darren Hayday wrote:You really are talking like a politician now!! No it doesnt matter what colour your skin is or what your accent sounds like, my point is that you pointed the finger at this country and then also said. "Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear." refering to foreigners views on this country, my point is, what other countries indigeonous population in this world isnt exactly the same if not worse towards foreigners? Why do you persist in insisting we are any worse than any other country? Dont go singling out this country as any worse than anywhere else as it is not. This is the problem, people like you make out the British and far worse than anyone else for some unknown reason. Dont go spouting the 'perfect world' rhetoric when you know full well that will probably never happen and that has nothing to do soley with the British, resentment towards something different is a programed response in every human being irrelevant of colour or creed!
tigeran wrote:If we lived in such a perfect Utopia where we all go around holding hands and skipping with each other - why do the BNP have followers?
Darren Hayday wrote:"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
s, etc"
How on earth can you say that?!!!! This is THE most tolerant country in the world bar none and yes I do believe that that is part of our demise as 'Great Britain'!!! We are totally diluted! We are expected to accept every race, colour and creed and all their beliefs and cultures at the expence of our own and no questions asked!!! What an extremely warped view you have on this country!! This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!! What planet are you on?
Reading between your views - it sounds as if you aren’t happy yourself "with this 'diluted' once wonderful Country."
Ironically most of us going back into our history one or some of our relatives came to the UK from another Country.
It doesn’t matter what colour your skin is, how your accent sounds or which Religion you follow - we are all from this same planet –we are all human.
feel free to email me d_hayday@hotmail.com
Darren Hayday
says...
4:38pm Mon 1 Oct 12
yog wrote:I did wonder 'why' the local Labour party didn’t kick up more of a fuss at the time... I had assumed that they would have been against such plans to sell off the housing stock.
Worth reminding readers that the Labour leader at the time joined with the Tories in persuading tenants to vote for the Tory housing sell off.
The majority of the Labour WDC members were fairly quiet over all of this.
Darren Hayday
says...
4:45pm Mon 1 Oct 12
tigeran wrote:I am bored with you now (escpaiily as I dont know your name), I've invited you to communicate with me by email.
Darren Hayday wrote:What has that got to do with the debate on this site? I have asked you a question on this site and I would like you to answer me what I asked. You started to point the finger, now explian why.
tigeran wrote:I have no idea who you are.
Darren Hayday wrote:You really are talking like a politician now!! No it doesnt matter what colour your skin is or what your accent sounds like, my point is that you pointed the finger at this country and then also said. "Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear." refering to foreigners views on this country, my point is, what other countries indigeonous population in this world isnt exactly the same if not worse towards foreigners? Why do you persist in insisting we are any worse than any other country? Dont go singling out this country as any worse than anywhere else as it is not. This is the problem, people like you make out the British and far worse than anyone else for some unknown reason. Dont go spouting the 'perfect world' rhetoric when you know full well that will probably never happen and that has nothing to do soley with the British, resentment towards something different is a programed response in every human being irrelevant of colour or creed!
tigeran wrote:If we lived in such a perfect Utopia where we all go around holding hands and skipping with each other - why do the BNP have followers?
Darren Hayday wrote:"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
s, etc"
How on earth can you say that?!!!! This is THE most tolerant country in the world bar none and yes I do believe that that is part of our demise as 'Great Britain'!!! We are totally diluted! We are expected to accept every race, colour and creed and all their beliefs and cultures at the expence of our own and no questions asked!!! What an extremely warped view you have on this country!! This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!! What planet are you on?
Reading between your views - it sounds as if you aren’t happy yourself "with this 'diluted' once wonderful Country."
Ironically most of us going back into our history one or some of our relatives came to the UK from another Country.
It doesn’t matter what colour your skin is, how your accent sounds or which Religion you follow - we are all from this same planet –we are all human.
feel free to email me d_hayday@hotmail.com
Please answer me these questions:
What is the meaning of Life?
What are the winning Euro Millions numbers for the next draw?
Why are we all here?
Why cant we freely choose who represents us in Governement?
Has Capialisum died?
Why are bankers rich?
What is your mothers maiden name?
What is your bank account details?
Blah, blah, blah....
PS - to answer your final question - I do beleive that it was you who said something about dilouting this once beautiful Country of ours...
Darren Hayday
says...
4:47pm Mon 1 Oct 12
tigeran wrote:I'm so bored that I didnt even copy and paste the correctly spelt version of my reply ..... Zzzzzzzzzzz
Darren Hayday wrote:What has that got to do with the debate on this site? I have asked you a question on this site and I would like you to answer me what I asked. You started to point the finger, now explian why.
tigeran wrote:I have no idea who you are.
Darren Hayday wrote:You really are talking like a politician now!! No it doesnt matter what colour your skin is or what your accent sounds like, my point is that you pointed the finger at this country and then also said. "Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear." refering to foreigners views on this country, my point is, what other countries indigeonous population in this world isnt exactly the same if not worse towards foreigners? Why do you persist in insisting we are any worse than any other country? Dont go singling out this country as any worse than anywhere else as it is not. This is the problem, people like you make out the British and far worse than anyone else for some unknown reason. Dont go spouting the 'perfect world' rhetoric when you know full well that will probably never happen and that has nothing to do soley with the British, resentment towards something different is a programed response in every human being irrelevant of colour or creed!
tigeran wrote:If we lived in such a perfect Utopia where we all go around holding hands and skipping with each other - why do the BNP have followers?
Darren Hayday wrote:"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
s, etc"
How on earth can you say that?!!!! This is THE most tolerant country in the world bar none and yes I do believe that that is part of our demise as 'Great Britain'!!! We are totally diluted! We are expected to accept every race, colour and creed and all their beliefs and cultures at the expence of our own and no questions asked!!! What an extremely warped view you have on this country!! This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!! What planet are you on?
Reading between your views - it sounds as if you aren’t happy yourself "with this 'diluted' once wonderful Country."
Ironically most of us going back into our history one or some of our relatives came to the UK from another Country.
It doesn’t matter what colour your skin is, how your accent sounds or which Religion you follow - we are all from this same planet –we are all human.
feel free to email me d_hayday@hotmail.com
Night Night..
I am bored with you now (especially as I don’t know your name), I've invited you to communicate with me by email. So you don’t give me your name, I have no idea who you are –without this basic information to me you are nothing more than a troll.
Please answer me these questions:
What is the meaning of Life?
What are the winning Euro Millions numbers for the next draw?
Why are we all here?
Why can’t we freely choose who represents us in Government?
Has Capitalism died?
Why are bankers rich?
What is your mother’s maiden name?
What is your bank account details?
Blah, blah, blah....
PS - to answer your final question - I do believe that it was you who said something about diluting this once beautiful Country of ours...
ZZzzzzzzzz - Border than the bordest border...
demoness the second
says...
4:51pm Mon 1 Oct 12
tigeran wrote:This will NEVER happen again (LOL) BUT Mr Hayday...
Darren Hayday wrote:What has that got to do with the debate on this site? I have asked you a question on this site and I would like you to answer me what I asked. You started to point the finger, now explian why.
tigeran wrote:I have no idea who you are.
Darren Hayday wrote:You really are talking like a politician now!! No it doesnt matter what colour your skin is or what your accent sounds like, my point is that you pointed the finger at this country and then also said. "Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear." refering to foreigners views on this country, my point is, what other countries indigeonous population in this world isnt exactly the same if not worse towards foreigners? Why do you persist in insisting we are any worse than any other country? Dont go singling out this country as any worse than anywhere else as it is not. This is the problem, people like you make out the British and far worse than anyone else for some unknown reason. Dont go spouting the 'perfect world' rhetoric when you know full well that will probably never happen and that has nothing to do soley with the British, resentment towards something different is a programed response in every human being irrelevant of colour or creed!
tigeran wrote:If we lived in such a perfect Utopia where we all go around holding hands and skipping with each other - why do the BNP have followers?
Darren Hayday wrote:"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
s, etc"
How on earth can you say that?!!!! This is THE most tolerant country in the world bar none and yes I do believe that that is part of our demise as 'Great Britain'!!! We are totally diluted! We are expected to accept every race, colour and creed and all their beliefs and cultures at the expence of our own and no questions asked!!! What an extremely warped view you have on this country!! This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!! What planet are you on?
Reading between your views - it sounds as if you aren’t happy yourself "with this 'diluted' once wonderful Country."
Ironically most of us going back into our history one or some of our relatives came to the UK from another Country.
It doesn’t matter what colour your skin is, how your accent sounds or which Religion you follow - we are all from this same planet –we are all human.
feel free to email me d_hayday@hotmail.com
Tigeran has a point - I think we would all like to see the answer to those questions - anonymity has nothing to do with it.
If you are going to put yourself out there you should be willing to deal with the flack.
Saying you refuse to discuss it and you are bored with him just tells me that you do not actually have any answers but just like to come out with dramatic speeches :))
Oh wait.. didn't you used to be in local politics?
That explains so much.
BTW my name really is Demoness - I had progressive parents don't ya know? ;)
tigeran
says...
5:07pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Darren Hayday wrote:You are bored because you dont have an answer! You decided to blog about this now explain on the blog! You have reallty shown your true colours today!!
tigeran wrote:I'm so bored that I didnt even copy and paste the correctly spelt version of my reply ..... Zzzzzzzzzzz
Darren Hayday wrote:What has that got to do with the debate on this site? I have asked you a question on this site and I would like you to answer me what I asked. You started to point the finger, now explian why.
tigeran wrote:I have no idea who you are.
Darren Hayday wrote:You really are talking like a politician now!! No it doesnt matter what colour your skin is or what your accent sounds like, my point is that you pointed the finger at this country and then also said. "Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear." refering to foreigners views on this country, my point is, what other countries indigeonous population in this world isnt exactly the same if not worse towards foreigners? Why do you persist in insisting we are any worse than any other country? Dont go singling out this country as any worse than anywhere else as it is not. This is the problem, people like you make out the British and far worse than anyone else for some unknown reason. Dont go spouting the 'perfect world' rhetoric when you know full well that will probably never happen and that has nothing to do soley with the British, resentment towards something different is a programed response in every human being irrelevant of colour or creed!
tigeran wrote:If we lived in such a perfect Utopia where we all go around holding hands and skipping with each other - why do the BNP have followers?
Darren Hayday wrote:"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
s, etc"
How on earth can you say that?!!!! This is THE most tolerant country in the world bar none and yes I do believe that that is part of our demise as 'Great Britain'!!! We are totally diluted! We are expected to accept every race, colour and creed and all their beliefs and cultures at the expence of our own and no questions asked!!! What an extremely warped view you have on this country!! This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!! What planet are you on?
Reading between your views - it sounds as if you aren’t happy yourself "with this 'diluted' once wonderful Country."
Ironically most of us going back into our history one or some of our relatives came to the UK from another Country.
It doesn’t matter what colour your skin is, how your accent sounds or which Religion you follow - we are all from this same planet –we are all human.
feel free to email me d_hayday@hotmail.com
Night Night..
I am bored with you now (especially as I don’t know your name), I've invited you to communicate with me by email. So you don’t give me your name, I have no idea who you are –without this basic information to me you are nothing more than a troll.
Please answer me these questions:
What is the meaning of Life?
What are the winning Euro Millions numbers for the next draw?
Why are we all here?
Why can’t we freely choose who represents us in Government?
Has Capitalism died?
Why are bankers rich?
What is your mother’s maiden name?
What is your bank account details?
Blah, blah, blah....
PS - to answer your final question - I do believe that it was you who said something about diluting this once beautiful Country of ours...
ZZzzzzzzzz - Border than the bordest border...
Can I also add:-
"I am not a politician, however I was and I would aspire to be in the next Bucks County Elections as an Independent member for Booker, Cressex & Castlefield"
That would explain the un answered, ill thought out splurge about Xenephobia etc! LOL!!
miccles
says...
5:10pm Mon 1 Oct 12
I hope it does not rain this evening?
tigeran
says...
5:12pm Mon 1 Oct 12
demoness the second wrote:Thankyou Demoness! I would like to clear one thing up though, by me saying "this will NEVER happen" I am not saying this because I dont want it to happen, I am saying it as it is human nature to resist such things wherver oyu come from and thus is a global thing. Just wanted to explain!
tigeran wrote:This will NEVER happen again (LOL) BUT Mr Hayday...
Darren Hayday wrote:What has that got to do with the debate on this site? I have asked you a question on this site and I would like you to answer me what I asked. You started to point the finger, now explian why.
tigeran wrote:I have no idea who you are.
Darren Hayday wrote:You really are talking like a politician now!! No it doesnt matter what colour your skin is or what your accent sounds like, my point is that you pointed the finger at this country and then also said. "Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear." refering to foreigners views on this country, my point is, what other countries indigeonous population in this world isnt exactly the same if not worse towards foreigners? Why do you persist in insisting we are any worse than any other country? Dont go singling out this country as any worse than anywhere else as it is not. This is the problem, people like you make out the British and far worse than anyone else for some unknown reason. Dont go spouting the 'perfect world' rhetoric when you know full well that will probably never happen and that has nothing to do soley with the British, resentment towards something different is a programed response in every human being irrelevant of colour or creed!
tigeran wrote:If we lived in such a perfect Utopia where we all go around holding hands and skipping with each other - why do the BNP have followers?
Darren Hayday wrote:"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
s, etc"
How on earth can you say that?!!!! This is THE most tolerant country in the world bar none and yes I do believe that that is part of our demise as 'Great Britain'!!! We are totally diluted! We are expected to accept every race, colour and creed and all their beliefs and cultures at the expence of our own and no questions asked!!! What an extremely warped view you have on this country!! This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!! What planet are you on?
Reading between your views - it sounds as if you aren’t happy yourself "with this 'diluted' once wonderful Country."
Ironically most of us going back into our history one or some of our relatives came to the UK from another Country.
It doesn’t matter what colour your skin is, how your accent sounds or which Religion you follow - we are all from this same planet –we are all human.
feel free to email me d_hayday@hotmail.com
Tigeran has a point - I think we would all like to see the answer to those questions - anonymity has nothing to do with it.
If you are going to put yourself out there you should be willing to deal with the flack.
Saying you refuse to discuss it and you are bored with him just tells me that you do not actually have any answers but just like to come out with dramatic speeches :))
Oh wait.. didn't you used to be in local politics?
That explains so much.
BTW my name really is Demoness - I had progressive parents don't ya know? ;)
I do agree that he has no answers what so ever and in my opinion he is reacting EXACTLY like a politician, allbeit a wannabe one!!
Darren Hayday
says...
5:18pm Mon 1 Oct 12
demoness the second wrote:Demoness, Tigress, batman, bob the builder, whatever/whoever.
tigeran wrote:This will NEVER happen again (LOL) BUT Mr Hayday...
Darren Hayday wrote:What has that got to do with the debate on this site? I have asked you a question on this site and I would like you to answer me what I asked. You started to point the finger, now explian why.
tigeran wrote:I have no idea who you are.
Darren Hayday wrote:You really are talking like a politician now!! No it doesnt matter what colour your skin is or what your accent sounds like, my point is that you pointed the finger at this country and then also said. "Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear." refering to foreigners views on this country, my point is, what other countries indigeonous population in this world isnt exactly the same if not worse towards foreigners? Why do you persist in insisting we are any worse than any other country? Dont go singling out this country as any worse than anywhere else as it is not. This is the problem, people like you make out the British and far worse than anyone else for some unknown reason. Dont go spouting the 'perfect world' rhetoric when you know full well that will probably never happen and that has nothing to do soley with the British, resentment towards something different is a programed response in every human being irrelevant of colour or creed!
tigeran wrote:If we lived in such a perfect Utopia where we all go around holding hands and skipping with each other - why do the BNP have followers?
Darren Hayday wrote:"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
s, etc"
How on earth can you say that?!!!! This is THE most tolerant country in the world bar none and yes I do believe that that is part of our demise as 'Great Britain'!!! We are totally diluted! We are expected to accept every race, colour and creed and all their beliefs and cultures at the expence of our own and no questions asked!!! What an extremely warped view you have on this country!! This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!! What planet are you on?
Reading between your views - it sounds as if you aren’t happy yourself "with this 'diluted' once wonderful Country."
Ironically most of us going back into our history one or some of our relatives came to the UK from another Country.
It doesn’t matter what colour your skin is, how your accent sounds or which Religion you follow - we are all from this same planet –we are all human.
feel free to email me d_hayday@hotmail.com
Tigeran has a point - I think we would all like to see the answer to those questions - anonymity has nothing to do with it.
If you are going to put yourself out there you should be willing to deal with the flack.
Saying you refuse to discuss it and you are bored with him just tells me that you do not actually have any answers but just like to come out with dramatic speeches :))
Oh wait.. didn't you used to be in local politics?
That explains so much.
BTW my name really is Demoness - I had progressive parents don't ya know? ;)
Yes I can take flack - you of all people know this, as can you as well.
I'm so bored with this Tiger person that I have no idea which question that I didn’t answer for him/her/it.
All I know is that I don’t honestly 'care' either.
She/he/it is below my interest level and all that I shall remember from he/she/it is that they would be happy living in a white undiluted British Country... I offered my email address with whatever question that he/she/it sends me. Which I don’t think that they would ever do, as it would break their hidden Batman identity...
ZZzzzzzz That's me done for today I'm sorry to say.
As for the original news story:
Labour let in too many immigrants (that have to live somewhere). We are now left with a number of people homeless in our local area some of which Victoria Groulef is dealing with.
I would rather that we kicked out all feckless people (regardless of their background) and let hard working people stay (regardless of skin colour or accent).
Also I think the last point was = yes we do have racist people living in the UK (as there are all around this wonderful planet of ours).
tigeran
says...
5:19pm Mon 1 Oct 12
demoness the second wrote:Ah! Just realised what you meant by "this will NEVER happen again"!! And yes I agree with your humourous LOL!! But thanks any way!
tigeran wrote:This will NEVER happen again (LOL) BUT Mr Hayday...
Darren Hayday wrote:What has that got to do with the debate on this site? I have asked you a question on this site and I would like you to answer me what I asked. You started to point the finger, now explian why.
tigeran wrote:I have no idea who you are.
Darren Hayday wrote:You really are talking like a politician now!! No it doesnt matter what colour your skin is or what your accent sounds like, my point is that you pointed the finger at this country and then also said. "Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear." refering to foreigners views on this country, my point is, what other countries indigeonous population in this world isnt exactly the same if not worse towards foreigners? Why do you persist in insisting we are any worse than any other country? Dont go singling out this country as any worse than anywhere else as it is not. This is the problem, people like you make out the British and far worse than anyone else for some unknown reason. Dont go spouting the 'perfect world' rhetoric when you know full well that will probably never happen and that has nothing to do soley with the British, resentment towards something different is a programed response in every human being irrelevant of colour or creed!
tigeran wrote:If we lived in such a perfect Utopia where we all go around holding hands and skipping with each other - why do the BNP have followers?
Darren Hayday wrote:"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
s, etc"
How on earth can you say that?!!!! This is THE most tolerant country in the world bar none and yes I do believe that that is part of our demise as 'Great Britain'!!! We are totally diluted! We are expected to accept every race, colour and creed and all their beliefs and cultures at the expence of our own and no questions asked!!! What an extremely warped view you have on this country!! This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!! What planet are you on?
Reading between your views - it sounds as if you aren’t happy yourself "with this 'diluted' once wonderful Country."
Ironically most of us going back into our history one or some of our relatives came to the UK from another Country.
It doesn’t matter what colour your skin is, how your accent sounds or which Religion you follow - we are all from this same planet –we are all human.
feel free to email me d_hayday@hotmail.com
Tigeran has a point - I think we would all like to see the answer to those questions - anonymity has nothing to do with it.
If you are going to put yourself out there you should be willing to deal with the flack.
Saying you refuse to discuss it and you are bored with him just tells me that you do not actually have any answers but just like to come out with dramatic speeches :))
Oh wait.. didn't you used to be in local politics?
That explains so much.
BTW my name really is Demoness - I had progressive parents don't ya know? ;)
tigeran
says...
5:29pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Darren Hayday wrote:What a cop out!!! "I cant remember what question" Spineless!!
demoness the second wrote:Demoness, Tigress, batman, bob the builder, whatever/whoever.
tigeran wrote:This will NEVER happen again (LOL) BUT Mr Hayday...
Darren Hayday wrote:What has that got to do with the debate on this site? I have asked you a question on this site and I would like you to answer me what I asked. You started to point the finger, now explian why.
tigeran wrote:I have no idea who you are.
Darren Hayday wrote:You really are talking like a politician now!! No it doesnt matter what colour your skin is or what your accent sounds like, my point is that you pointed the finger at this country and then also said. "Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear." refering to foreigners views on this country, my point is, what other countries indigeonous population in this world isnt exactly the same if not worse towards foreigners? Why do you persist in insisting we are any worse than any other country? Dont go singling out this country as any worse than anywhere else as it is not. This is the problem, people like you make out the British and far worse than anyone else for some unknown reason. Dont go spouting the 'perfect world' rhetoric when you know full well that will probably never happen and that has nothing to do soley with the British, resentment towards something different is a programed response in every human being irrelevant of colour or creed!
tigeran wrote:If we lived in such a perfect Utopia where we all go around holding hands and skipping with each other - why do the BNP have followers?
Darren Hayday wrote:"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
s, etc"
How on earth can you say that?!!!! This is THE most tolerant country in the world bar none and yes I do believe that that is part of our demise as 'Great Britain'!!! We are totally diluted! We are expected to accept every race, colour and creed and all their beliefs and cultures at the expence of our own and no questions asked!!! What an extremely warped view you have on this country!! This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!! What planet are you on?
Reading between your views - it sounds as if you aren’t happy yourself "with this 'diluted' once wonderful Country."
Ironically most of us going back into our history one or some of our relatives came to the UK from another Country.
It doesn’t matter what colour your skin is, how your accent sounds or which Religion you follow - we are all from this same planet –we are all human.
feel free to email me d_hayday@hotmail.com
Tigeran has a point - I think we would all like to see the answer to those questions - anonymity has nothing to do with it.
If you are going to put yourself out there you should be willing to deal with the flack.
Saying you refuse to discuss it and you are bored with him just tells me that you do not actually have any answers but just like to come out with dramatic speeches :))
Oh wait.. didn't you used to be in local politics?
That explains so much.
BTW my name really is Demoness - I had progressive parents don't ya know? ;)
Yes I can take flack - you of all people know this, as can you as well.
I'm so bored with this Tiger person that I have no idea which question that I didn’t answer for him/her/it.
All I know is that I don’t honestly 'care' either.
She/he/it is below my interest level and all that I shall remember from he/she/it is that they would be happy living in a white undiluted British Country... I offered my email address with whatever question that he/she/it sends me. Which I don’t think that they would ever do, as it would break their hidden Batman identity...
ZZzzzzzz That's me done for today I'm sorry to say.
As for the original news story:
Labour let in too many immigrants (that have to live somewhere). We are now left with a number of people homeless in our local area some of which Victoria Groulef is dealing with.
I would rather that we kicked out all feckless people (regardless of their background) and let hard working people stay (regardless of skin colour or accent).
Also I think the last point was = yes we do have racist people living in the UK (as there are all around this wonderful planet of ours).
You have not shown yourself in a very good light today AT ALL!! LOL!! Typical rubbish spouted from a wannabe!!
PS. you were hiding behind not a name but a political mask at the start of this blog, that mask has now fallen off to reveal your true glorious colours!! "I dont care" "I have forgotten" etc, etc. Words of a person with absolutely NO anwers to back themselves up AT ALL!! LOL!!
J B Blackett
says...
5:41pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Darren Hayday wrote
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I am of the opinion that a small minority of the British people are 'xenophobic'.
But no more so that other bigots living in other Countries.
.
in reply to J B Blackett. :
That is more like it . And it more or less matches my experiences around the planet in varied locations.
.
Some people conflate culture or religiosity (both in themselves potent forces) with racism for their own convenience and for some political advantage.
.
There are some countries where xenophobia is worse even virulent for historic reasons or is being currently whipped up by the usual suspects (politicians , zealots etc) to suit their own aims.
.
A small minority in this country does that - like in all the other place but that does not make the British people 'very xenophobic'. I like to think we as a people are tolerant compared with most. At least I hope so.
.
But a lot of it comes down to inept arrogant politicians and what they've been getting up it (and are stiill at it btw).
.
In the old days it used to be the despotic kings , queens and aristocracies who used to impose their bigoted views on the 'plebs'.
.
But nowadays in their stead we have international politicians , global financiers and untouchable bureaucrats to dictate how we live our lives.
.
Nothing seems to change - and it always ends in tears. Unless the idea of those words - dreaded and feared by politicians , bankers , big business , assorted gang leaders ,zealots etc in fact all dictators - is freed from its chains. Those words are True Democracy - however the words don't frighten me.
.
I wonder if the world will ever experience Democracy in its real humane sense. Well not as long as the current lot of crooks, cheats and liars run things and won't let go , I think.
.
I am of the opinion that a small minority of the British people are 'xenophobic'.
But no more so that other bigots living in other Countries.
.
in reply to J B Blackett. :
That is more like it . And it more or less matches my experiences around the planet in varied locations.
.
Some people conflate culture or religiosity (both in themselves potent forces) with racism for their own convenience and for some political advantage.
.
There are some countries where xenophobia is worse even virulent for historic reasons or is being currently whipped up by the usual suspects (politicians , zealots etc) to suit their own aims.
.
A small minority in this country does that - like in all the other place but that does not make the British people 'very xenophobic'. I like to think we as a people are tolerant compared with most. At least I hope so.
.
But a lot of it comes down to inept arrogant politicians and what they've been getting up it (and are stiill at it btw).
.
In the old days it used to be the despotic kings , queens and aristocracies who used to impose their bigoted views on the 'plebs'.
.
But nowadays in their stead we have international politicians , global financiers and untouchable bureaucrats to dictate how we live our lives.
.
Nothing seems to change - and it always ends in tears. Unless the idea of those words - dreaded and feared by politicians , bankers , big business , assorted gang leaders ,zealots etc in fact all dictators - is freed from its chains. Those words are True Democracy - however the words don't frighten me.
.
I wonder if the world will ever experience Democracy in its real humane sense. Well not as long as the current lot of crooks, cheats and liars run things and won't let go , I think.
A VOTER
says...
5:41pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Daren Hayday wrote:
Please answer me these questions:
Q. What is the meaning of Life?
A. 42
Q. What are the winning Euro Millions numbers for the next draw?
A. 12, 18, 34, 41, 50 + 2, 8.
Q. Why are we all here?
A. Evolution
Q. Why can’t we freely choose who represents us in Government?
A. Because the system is based on an ‘Old Boys Club’
Q. Has Capitalism died?
A. Not at all… All our politicians and bankers are doing very well out of it.
Q. Why are bankers rich?
A. Corruption, Theft, Obfuscation, Gerrymandering
Q. What is your mother’s maiden name?
A. Churchill
Q. What is your bank account details? (sic)
A. My bank account details is : In my mattress
Q. Blah, blah, blah....
A. Now we’re talking ‘real’ political speeches
Judge 2
says...
5:52pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Interesting! So why did Labour Councillors call in and opposse plans for temporary housing in the Castlefiled area?
J B Blackett
says...
5:56pm Mon 1 Oct 12
A VOTER wrote:Excellent answers - top marks , Voter.
Daren Hayday wrote:
Please answer me these questions:
Q. What is the meaning of Life?
A. 42
Q. What are the winning Euro Millions numbers for the next draw?
A. 12, 18, 34, 41, 50 + 2, 8.
Q. Why are we all here?
A. Evolution
Q. Why can’t we freely choose who represents us in Government?
A. Because the system is based on an ‘Old Boys Club’
Q. Has Capitalism died?
A. Not at all… All our politicians and bankers are doing very well out of it.
Q. Why are bankers rich?
A. Corruption, Theft, Obfuscation, Gerrymandering
Q. What is your mother’s maiden name?
A. Churchill
Q. What is your bank account details? (sic)
A. My bank account details is : In my mattress
Q. Blah, blah, blah....
A. Now we’re talking ‘real’ political speeches
.
You are deemed to be through to next round.
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Unfortunately it's in the Afterlife. Do you want to answer the next set of questions ?
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If you do all , MPs and a church and a religious leader of your choice will speed you cheerily on your way with the correct processes and assorted mumbled blessings.
.
If you don't want to go and wish to claim your prize , I have to tell you in the words of the ex-Rothchilds merchant banker and ex-home office and Treasury Minister , Liam Byrne - " there is nothing left we (ie the politicians) have spent it all"
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Nice try though on your behalf. Better luck next time.
Darren Hayday
says...
6:48pm Mon 1 Oct 12
A VOTER wrote:Love it!
Daren Hayday wrote:
Please answer me these questions:
Q. What is the meaning of Life?
A. 42
Q. What are the winning Euro Millions numbers for the next draw?
A. 12, 18, 34, 41, 50 + 2, 8.
Q. Why are we all here?
A. Evolution
Q. Why can’t we freely choose who represents us in Government?
A. Because the system is based on an ‘Old Boys Club’
Q. Has Capitalism died?
A. Not at all… All our politicians and bankers are doing very well out of it.
Q. Why are bankers rich?
A. Corruption, Theft, Obfuscation, Gerrymandering
Q. What is your mother’s maiden name?
A. Churchill
Q. What is your bank account details? (sic)
A. My bank account details is : In my mattress
Q. Blah, blah, blah....
A. Now we’re talking ‘real’ political speeches
I hope that you're right with the Euro numbers!
Darren Hayday
says...
6:52pm Mon 1 Oct 12
J B Blackett wrote:We can only live in hope that one day things will change and that power will come to the people and not those at the top. Whether it happens in our lifetimes, who knows? But look at what happened in the French revolutions and other revolutions around the world - however someone usually comes along for their own benefits to snatch real power away from the people..
Darren Hayday wrote
.
I am of the opinion that a small minority of the British people are 'xenophobic'.
But no more so that other bigots living in other Countries.
.
in reply to J B Blackett. :
That is more like it . And it more or less matches my experiences around the planet in varied locations.
.
Some people conflate culture or religiosity (both in themselves potent forces) with racism for their own convenience and for some political advantage.
.
There are some countries where xenophobia is worse even virulent for historic reasons or is being currently whipped up by the usual suspects (politicians , zealots etc) to suit their own aims.
.
A small minority in this country does that - like in all the other place but that does not make the British people 'very xenophobic'. I like to think we as a people are tolerant compared with most. At least I hope so.
.
But a lot of it comes down to inept arrogant politicians and what they've been getting up it (and are stiill at it btw).
.
In the old days it used to be the despotic kings , queens and aristocracies who used to impose their bigoted views on the 'plebs'.
.
But nowadays in their stead we have international politicians , global financiers and untouchable bureaucrats to dictate how we live our lives.
.
Nothing seems to change - and it always ends in tears. Unless the idea of those words - dreaded and feared by politicians , bankers , big business , assorted gang leaders ,zealots etc in fact all dictators - is freed from its chains. Those words are True Democracy - however the words don't frighten me.
.
I wonder if the world will ever experience Democracy in its real humane sense. Well not as long as the current lot of crooks, cheats and liars run things and won't let go , I think.
tigeran
says...
9:04pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Darren Hayday wrote:Still waiting for your answer! What a coward!
J B Blackett wrote:We can only live in hope that one day things will change and that power will come to the people and not those at the top. Whether it happens in our lifetimes, who knows? But look at what happened in the French revolutions and other revolutions around the world - however someone usually comes along for their own benefits to snatch real power away from the people..
Darren Hayday wrote
.
I am of the opinion that a small minority of the British people are 'xenophobic'.
But no more so that other bigots living in other Countries.
.
in reply to J B Blackett. :
That is more like it . And it more or less matches my experiences around the planet in varied locations.
.
Some people conflate culture or religiosity (both in themselves potent forces) with racism for their own convenience and for some political advantage.
.
There are some countries where xenophobia is worse even virulent for historic reasons or is being currently whipped up by the usual suspects (politicians , zealots etc) to suit their own aims.
.
A small minority in this country does that - like in all the other place but that does not make the British people 'very xenophobic'. I like to think we as a people are tolerant compared with most. At least I hope so.
.
But a lot of it comes down to inept arrogant politicians and what they've been getting up it (and are stiill at it btw).
.
In the old days it used to be the despotic kings , queens and aristocracies who used to impose their bigoted views on the 'plebs'.
.
But nowadays in their stead we have international politicians , global financiers and untouchable bureaucrats to dictate how we live our lives.
.
Nothing seems to change - and it always ends in tears. Unless the idea of those words - dreaded and feared by politicians , bankers , big business , assorted gang leaders ,zealots etc in fact all dictators - is freed from its chains. Those words are True Democracy - however the words don't frighten me.
.
I wonder if the world will ever experience Democracy in its real humane sense. Well not as long as the current lot of crooks, cheats and liars run things and won't let go , I think.
geoffW
says...
9:05pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Is this now the Darren Hayday political forum?
.
What a waste of space.
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What a waste of space.
tigeran
says...
9:13pm Mon 1 Oct 12
geoffW wrote:Yep!! and seems to avoid any thing he has no answers for as well!!
Is this now the Darren Hayday political forum?
.
What a waste of space.
ImpeturbableLawrence
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9:29pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Welwyn Dowd wrote:I take it this is a reference to Enoch Powell's speech in 1968.
You can see why the Tories dropped Heyday. Rivers of blood all over again.
In its tone and predictions for the future Powell’s speech was a fairly straightforward piece of racism of the kind common amongst older men at that time and was clearly hostile to ‘immigrants’ as they were called then.
I don’t think Darren Hayday’s post can be compared to Powell’s speech – Hayday tacitly eschews racism - saying specifically ‘there are two types of people in this world’ without reference to their ethnicities:
… the ones that want to work hard … and the others … (who) … want not to work and to take what they can get.
He then continues with words that show he is willing to respect those who ‘want to work and contribute to society’:
Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc. Many of whom want to work and contribute to society.
I think he is asking for trouble a bit when he says:
Why can’t we round up all of the people that don’t want to work and drop them in the middle of Africa/India/Where ever and keep those hard grafters that are left?
- because 1: this can sound as if he is saying that skivers naturally belong in Africa and India and 2: when he says ‘drop them in the middle of Africa/India’ what he means is ‘send them back there.’
Most immigrants in Wycombe are Asian and Mr Hayday has made remarks about Asian voters before that hardly suggest he dislikes them. I think comparing what he says in his post to Enoch Powell’s speech is inaccurate.
PS I don’t agree with him that we are any more Xenophobic than the bloody foreigners.
demoness the second
says...
10:58pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Two things Darren dear going by the amount of bulls wotsits that you have just spoken,
Empty vessels make the most noise and BullS**t baffles brains.
Except in this case it didn't ;))
Empty vessels make the most noise and BullS**t baffles brains.
Except in this case it didn't ;))
ImpeturbableLawrence
says...
11:13pm Mon 1 Oct 12
tigeran wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
s, etc"
How on earth can you say that?!!!! This is THE most tolerant country in the world bar none and yes I do believe that that is part of our demise as 'Great Britain'!!! We are totally diluted! We are expected to accept every race, colour and creed and all their beliefs and cultures at the expence of our own and no questions asked!!! What an extremely warped view you have on this country!! This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!! What planet are you on?
This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!!
People are guaranteed these freedoms in the USA and quite a few other countries – even in conservative states like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan it is possible to carry on with ‘decadent’ western practices like alcohol and Christianity providing you do it discreetly.
In this country if someone wants to worship in a mosque, speak Urdu at home, and wear Islamic clothes (or Islamic-style clothes amongst some of the younger people) then that is not an act of disrespect to me or other white ‘indigenous’ people nor does it affect my ability to be myself.
Our country has always been changing – you hear nothing now of anti-Catholicism, the Church/Chapel rivalry of the 19th and early 20th centuries, the 1930s hostility to Welsh and Irish ‘immigrants’ to High Wycombe, or the post-1945 hostility to Poles and other central Europeans – our country has absorbed these people and imperceptibly changed into what it is at the moment. Asians born in this country become more and more British as time goes by – we cannot remain completely unchanging as if the desires of the ‘ivor’ blogger had been carried out and we were living in a static society. England is a river not a pond – it is in motion and changes all the time – I don’t see the brown and black people in Wycombe town centre are going to harm us although they will affect a little the way we all change in the future - with their cuisine, fashions, music, and attitudes, amongst other things.
faircuppa
says...
11:40pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Has Hayday had his hayday now? Groulef's comments clearly coincide with a Labour Conference briefing on their new policy of spending £3b which as is rightly pointed out will only provide 45,000 family size homes. It is important that everyone has a roof over their heads as nobody wants homeless masses in the streets. We have plenty of land banked around Wycombe, but Tories are afraid of losing votes if they build any estates between Wycombe and the rural areas. The political will is absent in Wycombe, not helped by Labour supporting the transfer to Red Kite Housing.
J B Blackett
says...
12:27am Tue 2 Oct 12
ImpeturbableLawrence wrote:I wish I could live in your so tolerant and appealing world of calm , friendliness and serenity where everybody got along with each other and intermingled continuously in all sorts of social , cultural and spiritual ways
tigeran wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
.
No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
.
Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
.
There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
.
Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
.
If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
.
You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
s, etc"
How on earth can you say that?!!!! This is THE most tolerant country in the world bar none and yes I do believe that that is part of our demise as 'Great Britain'!!! We are totally diluted! We are expected to accept every race, colour and creed and all their beliefs and cultures at the expence of our own and no questions asked!!! What an extremely warped view you have on this country!! This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!! What planet are you on?This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!!
People are guaranteed these freedoms in the USA and quite a few other countries – even in conservative states like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan it is possible to carry on with ‘decadent’ western practices like alcohol and Christianity providing you do it discreetly.
In this country if someone wants to worship in a mosque, speak Urdu at home, and wear Islamic clothes (or Islamic-style clothes amongst some of the younger people) then that is not an act of disrespect to me or other white ‘indigenous’ people nor does it affect my ability to be myself.
Our country has always been changing – you hear nothing now of anti-Catholicism, the Church/Chapel rivalry of the 19th and early 20th centuries, the 1930s hostility to Welsh and Irish ‘immigrants’ to High Wycombe, or the post-1945 hostility to Poles and other central Europeans – our country has absorbed these people and imperceptibly changed into what it is at the moment. Asians born in this country become more and more British as time goes by – we cannot remain completely unchanging as if the desires of the ‘ivor’ blogger had been carried out and we were living in a static society. England is a river not a pond – it is in motion and changes all the time – I don’t see the brown and black people in Wycombe town centre are going to harm us although they will affect a little the way we all change in the future - with their cuisine, fashions, music, and attitudes, amongst other things.
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And folk , who wished to , would have to time to sit around , at any time of their choosing , in amicable little mixed groups and discussed all sorts of things intellectual and philosophical and of import..
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And there was not hatred or fear of others or strangers. And there were no ghettos or monocultural and self-segregated areas where others fear to tread.
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And there were no nasty horrid people about whom might hit you on your head and steal your sandwiches or other less valuable possessions..
.Or fracture and disturb the peoples' peace of mind in other horrid ways. like Mass murder , bombs , bullets , torture , politics or religion or rent or mortgages or being made to 'work' and scratch a living just to survive etc etc
But instead the distant purple sun would shine all through the night. And the pink luminous moon glowing in a friendly way throughout the day would skim the surface of the Earth just above head height basking its surface in a gentle warmth .
And anybody could reach up and scoop a handful of delicious self-replenishing cheese (or yoghurt or anything nutritious that your heart desired ) from its surface without disturbing the beloved Moon's orbit or overall mass.
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And so on .....
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What a wonderful world it would be. (Oh Yeah - just like Louis Armstrong was heard to sing from his heart ). And I sing with him - Oh Yeah.I
demoness the second
says...
6:42am Tue 2 Oct 12
JBB - you have got to be one of the most negative miserable posters I have ever had the misfortune to come across in all my years of messing about on the internet.
No one is allowed to see anything good or positive in this world - instead you insist on putting your own bitter jaded nasty slant on it,
I think Lawrence made some really good points in his post - but clearly, you being a man of the world and of far more experience than any of us on here, completely take it to pieces.
When you are not doing that, you are making "witty" remarks which I do not think anyone else understands.
I think the world has too many miseries in it - maybe your vast knowledge and experience has made you thus but do me a favour... keep it to yourself because I am fed up with reading about it :)))
No one is allowed to see anything good or positive in this world - instead you insist on putting your own bitter jaded nasty slant on it,
I think Lawrence made some really good points in his post - but clearly, you being a man of the world and of far more experience than any of us on here, completely take it to pieces.
When you are not doing that, you are making "witty" remarks which I do not think anyone else understands.
I think the world has too many miseries in it - maybe your vast knowledge and experience has made you thus but do me a favour... keep it to yourself because I am fed up with reading about it :)))
Darren Hayday
says...
9:38am Tue 2 Oct 12
In a way (and wading through the childish rambling from people like tigeran) I'm humbled that people are taking the time to read my comments.
I do now stand corrected and agree that in the UK that we are a tolerant Country compared to the rest of the world - however I still stand by my points that there are still "some" racist people amongst us - I personally know this as my wife comes across it being of Eastern European decent.
Perhaps where I stated that we should ship/drop all of the feckless into Africa/India/Where ever was not a good reference (I was trying to show that we once would have shipped them to Australia where now they wouldn’t take them) - I was trying to think where we could ship them out to. I was not meaning that these were places in particular that any one race or culture would not have a hard working attitude – the opposite actually!
My original point is that I would rather live next door to a hard working and law abiding man descended from abroad rather than a feckless, lazy British man who thinks it his right to have a Council/Social House and for him to claim benefits, etc
Also I wish that we all held the same intelligent views of ImpeturbableLawrence - and we can then drag ourselves out of the new Dark Age that we've been in for the last 20 odd years while in the meantime the MP's and Bankers have been shafting us.
I do now stand corrected and agree that in the UK that we are a tolerant Country compared to the rest of the world - however I still stand by my points that there are still "some" racist people amongst us - I personally know this as my wife comes across it being of Eastern European decent.
Perhaps where I stated that we should ship/drop all of the feckless into Africa/India/Where ever was not a good reference (I was trying to show that we once would have shipped them to Australia where now they wouldn’t take them) - I was trying to think where we could ship them out to. I was not meaning that these were places in particular that any one race or culture would not have a hard working attitude – the opposite actually!
My original point is that I would rather live next door to a hard working and law abiding man descended from abroad rather than a feckless, lazy British man who thinks it his right to have a Council/Social House and for him to claim benefits, etc
Also I wish that we all held the same intelligent views of ImpeturbableLawrence - and we can then drag ourselves out of the new Dark Age that we've been in for the last 20 odd years while in the meantime the MP's and Bankers have been shafting us.
tigeran
says...
10:04am Tue 2 Oct 12
Darren Hayday wrote:"I'm so bored with this Tiger person that I have no idea which question that I didn’t answer for him/her/it."
In a way (and wading through the childish rambling from people like tigeran) I'm humbled that people are taking the time to read my comments.
I do now stand corrected and agree that in the UK that we are a tolerant Country compared to the rest of the world - however I still stand by my points that there are still "some" racist people amongst us - I personally know this as my wife comes across it being of Eastern European decent.
Perhaps where I stated that we should ship/drop all of the feckless into Africa/India/Where ever was not a good reference (I was trying to show that we once would have shipped them to Australia where now they wouldn’t take them) - I was trying to think where we could ship them out to. I was not meaning that these were places in particular that any one race or culture would not have a hard working attitude – the opposite actually!
My original point is that I would rather live next door to a hard working and law abiding man descended from abroad rather than a feckless, lazy British man who thinks it his right to have a Council/Social House and for him to claim benefits, etc
Also I wish that we all held the same intelligent views of ImpeturbableLawrence - and we can then drag ourselves out of the new Dark Age that we've been in for the last 20 odd years while in the meantime the MP's and Bankers have been shafting us.
"All I know is that I don’t honestly 'care' either"
"ZZzzzzzz That's me done for today I'm sorry to say"
"I am bored with you now (especially as I don’t know your name), "
LOL!! Childish ramblings?!! Pot and Kettle springs to mind!!
You have shown yourself to be a complete waste of tax payers money like most councillors. Please resign from your post and try to find something you can actually do for a job, PLEASE!!!
Darren Hayday
says...
10:51am Tue 2 Oct 12
tigeran wrote:That would be very difficult to do as I don’t have a post to resign from.
Darren Hayday wrote:"I'm so bored with this Tiger person that I have no idea which question that I didn’t answer for him/her/it."
In a way (and wading through the childish rambling from people like tigeran) I'm humbled that people are taking the time to read my comments.
I do now stand corrected and agree that in the UK that we are a tolerant Country compared to the rest of the world - however I still stand by my points that there are still "some" racist people amongst us - I personally know this as my wife comes across it being of Eastern European decent.
Perhaps where I stated that we should ship/drop all of the feckless into Africa/India/Where ever was not a good reference (I was trying to show that we once would have shipped them to Australia where now they wouldn’t take them) - I was trying to think where we could ship them out to. I was not meaning that these were places in particular that any one race or culture would not have a hard working attitude – the opposite actually!
My original point is that I would rather live next door to a hard working and law abiding man descended from abroad rather than a feckless, lazy British man who thinks it his right to have a Council/Social House and for him to claim benefits, etc
Also I wish that we all held the same intelligent views of ImpeturbableLawrence - and we can then drag ourselves out of the new Dark Age that we've been in for the last 20 odd years while in the meantime the MP's and Bankers have been shafting us.
"All I know is that I don’t honestly 'care' either"
"ZZzzzzzz That's me done for today I'm sorry to say"
"I am bored with you now (especially as I don’t know your name), "
LOL!! Childish ramblings?!! Pot and Kettle springs to mind!!
You have shown yourself to be a complete waste of tax payers money like most councillors. Please resign from your post and try to find something you can actually do for a job, PLEASE!!!
Nor do I cost a single penny to anyone - tax payer or otherwise.
I run my own business (www.efi-marketing.c
o.uk) and I'm not bad at it either - thank you very much.
sai-diva
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11:19am Tue 2 Oct 12
tigeran wrote:Got to pull you up on this one tigger, When you buy a council house,subsidised housing is exactly what you get. I didn't understand thatcher's policy of selling of the housing stock at a very reduced rate, discounts of up to 60% were available I believe. If she had then gone onto reinvest this money into social housing then more people would have had the opportunity, houses that could have been built cheaply as a third of the value of a house is the land it stands on.
sparky49 wrote:Hey up, the voice of socialism has spoken! Better listen to these words of wisdom..............
I have read all the comments regarding this subject. The first thing that comes out is the amount of xenophobia being displayed. Lets look at the main content of the article. Social housing shortage. Why? Thatcher sold off the council homes to allow folk to become homeowners and better themselves. No problem with that. The problem began when those homes were not replaced, coupled with a lack of building new homes, which in turn pushed up the price of new homes preventing many from getting on the ladder. Those already on the ladder saw the value of their homes soar. You can not blame immigrants for everything. Most of them are commonwealth passport holders or EU members which allow people to move form country to country with in the EU. The fact this country is one of the richest in the EU hence why people want to come here, couple this with dodgy employers who exploit them with low wages. There are actually 3 types of people that were mentioned earlier, the missing type is The Philip Greens of this world that are plentiful. Forget your politics for one moment and take a view that is impartial. Result would be that we will still argue and blame the other party. This situation will not be resolved simply because a mass social housing programme along the scale of the 60's and 70''s is what is needed but neither party has the courage to do so for fear of private home values dropping. We are in a catch 22 and now reaping what was sowed 30 years ago.
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"Thatcher sold off the council homes to allow folk to become homeowners and better themselves"
Exactly. Trying to stop people opting for the easy route and get subsidised housing. Who would do that I wonder?.............
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So Thatcher created a lot of wealth for people who bought their house, waited for 3 years and then sold it on at a huge profit to themselves but a loss to the taxpayer and the country.
And for those of you arguing about the xenophobic state of this country,
these figures are from the MoJ site.
In 2010/11, 51,187 racist incidents were recorded by the police. Over the five- year period (2006/07 to 2010/11), there was a decrease of almost 18% in the number of incidents reported across England and Wales.
So although there is evidence that racism is on the decrease, it still exists, and these are the reported incidents,rather than the 'low level' niggling incidents most of us witness.
I do agree that the English are a tolerant race, and on the whole very accepting. But the presence of parties like the BNP and the biased reporting of some of the press means that those who hate racism in all its forms sstill have to be very aware that it is still a force in our country that we need to heed.
All it takes for racism to take hold is for ordinary men to stand by and do nothing, blaming immigrants for all of our countries ills is a mistake. As I have said before, those who come to our country contribute more than they take.
tigeran
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11:45am Tue 2 Oct 12
Darren Hayday wrote:Oh thank god for that! I thought you were an acting councillor the way you were prattling on!
tigeran wrote:That would be very difficult to do as I don’t have a post to resign from.
Darren Hayday wrote:"I'm so bored with this Tiger person that I have no idea which question that I didn’t answer for him/her/it."
In a way (and wading through the childish rambling from people like tigeran) I'm humbled that people are taking the time to read my comments.
I do now stand corrected and agree that in the UK that we are a tolerant Country compared to the rest of the world - however I still stand by my points that there are still "some" racist people amongst us - I personally know this as my wife comes across it being of Eastern European decent.
Perhaps where I stated that we should ship/drop all of the feckless into Africa/India/Where ever was not a good reference (I was trying to show that we once would have shipped them to Australia where now they wouldn’t take them) - I was trying to think where we could ship them out to. I was not meaning that these were places in particular that any one race or culture would not have a hard working attitude – the opposite actually!
My original point is that I would rather live next door to a hard working and law abiding man descended from abroad rather than a feckless, lazy British man who thinks it his right to have a Council/Social House and for him to claim benefits, etc
Also I wish that we all held the same intelligent views of ImpeturbableLawrence - and we can then drag ourselves out of the new Dark Age that we've been in for the last 20 odd years while in the meantime the MP's and Bankers have been shafting us.
"All I know is that I don’t honestly 'care' either"
"ZZzzzzzz That's me done for today I'm sorry to say"
"I am bored with you now (especially as I don’t know your name), "
LOL!! Childish ramblings?!! Pot and Kettle springs to mind!!
You have shown yourself to be a complete waste of tax payers money like most councillors. Please resign from your post and try to find something you can actually do for a job, PLEASE!!!
Nor do I cost a single penny to anyone - tax payer or otherwise.
I run my own business (www.efi-marketing.c
o.uk) and I'm not bad at it either - thank you very much.
Glad you are not wasting tax payers money! For that you have gone up (very slightly) in my opinion now, well done!!
BOOKERite
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12:52pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Why if the 'i' word is mentioned as one of the reasons that we have a housing shortage do you Darren immediately brand anybody who dares discuss the problem as racist or xenophobic? I, like many people in this country, have immigrants way back in my ancestry and I have friends which are of different races and cultures, but IMO over immigration is partly responsible for many things, one being housing shortages, another being the dire state of the NHS, there is just not enough services to go around for all the very many people that have poured into the High Wycombe district over the last few years. This is not a racist comment - what has happened to free speech in this country?
This article has been hijacked once again by agitators and self-publicists.
This article has been hijacked once again by agitators and self-publicists.
Darren Hayday
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1:25pm Tue 2 Oct 12
BOOKERite wrote:Who have I called a racist or xenophobic?
Why if the 'i' word is mentioned as one of the reasons that we have a housing shortage do you Darren immediately brand anybody who dares discuss the problem as racist or xenophobic? I, like many people in this country, have immigrants way back in my ancestry and I have friends which are of different races and cultures, but IMO over immigration is partly responsible for many things, one being housing shortages, another being the dire state of the NHS, there is just not enough services to go around for all the very many people that have poured into the High Wycombe district over the last few years. This is not a racist comment - what has happened to free speech in this country?
This article has been hijacked once again by agitators and self-publicists.
I said that they do exist in this Country (sadly) and I also agreed that they exist in Countries outside the UK.
You mention about "Free Speech" yet you complain when the rest of us make comments here. Is that not contradicting yourself?
Or would you prefer that you are the only person with an opinion and able to post on this website?
J B Blackett
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2:27pm Tue 2 Oct 12
demoness the second wrote:You are absolutely correct. I am miserable - now. You have a wicked 'tongue'
JBB - you have got to be one of the most negative miserable posters I have ever had the misfortune to come across in all my years of messing about on the internet.
No one is allowed to see anything good or positive in this world - instead you insist on putting your own bitter jaded nasty slant on it,
I think Lawrence made some really good points in his post - but clearly, you being a man of the world and of far more experience than any of us on here, completely take it to pieces.
When you are not doing that, you are making "witty" remarks which I do not think anyone else understands.
I think the world has too many miseries in it - maybe your vast knowledge and experience has made you thus but do me a favour... keep it to yourself because I am fed up with reading about it :)))
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And I join happily a band of people who you accuse of various assorted web misdemeanors and have taken to task . In recent times - Like Morag , Lawrence , Tigeran (I'm fraid to say) , Tom of Marlow (who he ?) , myself (I can include you recent past remarks , can't I) and others too numerous or ephemeral to mention.
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If you do not understand my 'witty' remarks' how do you know they are negative and miserable.
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You may (as far as I can tell ) be coming on here looking for conflict - but I do not. I have not been admonished or thrown of the site by the editor.
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I just sometimes wish to express my negative miserable view of the world - like Lawrence (DH ie) or Cassandra.
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If that is not permitted or if it causes you offense, just skip over it and please allow me (as I allow you ) my opinions.
Thank you.
demoness the second
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5:11pm Tue 2 Oct 12
J B Blackett wrote:How on earth can you say you do not come on here looking for conflict when all you do is make statements about how dire the world is, how evil politicians are and how anyone who dares to criticise HW is clearly Ivor?
demoness the second wrote:You are absolutely correct. I am miserable - now. You have a wicked 'tongue'
JBB - you have got to be one of the most negative miserable posters I have ever had the misfortune to come across in all my years of messing about on the internet.
No one is allowed to see anything good or positive in this world - instead you insist on putting your own bitter jaded nasty slant on it,
I think Lawrence made some really good points in his post - but clearly, you being a man of the world and of far more experience than any of us on here, completely take it to pieces.
When you are not doing that, you are making "witty" remarks which I do not think anyone else understands.
I think the world has too many miseries in it - maybe your vast knowledge and experience has made you thus but do me a favour... keep it to yourself because I am fed up with reading about it :)))
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And I join happily a band of people who you accuse of various assorted web misdemeanors and have taken to task . In recent times - Like Morag , Lawrence , Tigeran (I'm fraid to say) , Tom of Marlow (who he ?) , myself (I can include you recent past remarks , can't I) and others too numerous or ephemeral to mention.
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If you do not understand my 'witty' remarks' how do you know they are negative and miserable.
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You may (as far as I can tell ) be coming on here looking for conflict - but I do not. I have not been admonished or thrown of the site by the editor.
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I just sometimes wish to express my negative miserable view of the world - like Lawrence (DH ie) or Cassandra.
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If that is not permitted or if it causes you offense, just skip over it and please allow me (as I allow you ) my opinions.
Thank you.
I have never seen you post anything positive - ever. And you do not like being challenged because you get personal.
So with me it is because I am clearly Ivor and have a wicked tongue.
As for the others - well if you ever bother reading my posts you will see that I always apologise if I have offended. I am absolutely not going to discuss the others here -you too have had more than your fair share of arguments.
Lawrence posted a perfectly reasonable view point an ( IMO) you tore it to pieces.
I did not say anything that was not constructive about Wycombe - and you accused me of being Ivor - in fact you were very rude if I remember rightly.
So JBB - pot, kettle,black I am afraid :)
J B Blackett
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7:01pm Tue 2 Oct 12
demoness the second wrote:No - I wasn't very rude . I am never very rude. Especially when compared to some bigots , zealots and politicos and foul-mouthed others on here. I did not 'tear to pieces' IL's view point. I just hinted at an alternative potential view of the world and expressed a desire to live in his/hers.
J B Blackett wrote:How on earth can you say you do not come on here looking for conflict when all you do is make statements about how dire the world is, how evil politicians are and how anyone who dares to criticise HW is clearly Ivor?
demoness the second wrote:You are absolutely correct. I am miserable - now. You have a wicked 'tongue'
JBB - you have got to be one of the most negative miserable posters I have ever had the misfortune to come across in all my years of messing about on the internet.
No one is allowed to see anything good or positive in this world - instead you insist on putting your own bitter jaded nasty slant on it,
I think Lawrence made some really good points in his post - but clearly, you being a man of the world and of far more experience than any of us on here, completely take it to pieces.
When you are not doing that, you are making "witty" remarks which I do not think anyone else understands.
I think the world has too many miseries in it - maybe your vast knowledge and experience has made you thus but do me a favour... keep it to yourself because I am fed up with reading about it :)))
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And I join happily a band of people who you accuse of various assorted web misdemeanors and have taken to task . In recent times - Like Morag , Lawrence , Tigeran (I'm fraid to say) , Tom of Marlow (who he ?) , myself (I can include you recent past remarks , can't I) and others too numerous or ephemeral to mention.
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If you do not understand my 'witty' remarks' how do you know they are negative and miserable.
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You may (as far as I can tell ) be coming on here looking for conflict - but I do not. I have not been admonished or thrown of the site by the editor.
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I just sometimes wish to express my negative miserable view of the world - like Lawrence (DH ie) or Cassandra.
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If that is not permitted or if it causes you offense, just skip over it and please allow me (as I allow you ) my opinions.
Thank you.
I have never seen you post anything positive - ever. And you do not like being challenged because you get personal.
So with me it is because I am clearly Ivor and have a wicked tongue.
As for the others - well if you ever bother reading my posts you will see that I always apologise if I have offended. I am absolutely not going to discuss the others here -you too have had more than your fair share of arguments.
Lawrence posted a perfectly reasonable view point an ( IMO) you tore it to pieces.
I did not say anything that was not constructive about Wycombe - and you accused me of being Ivor - in fact you were very rude if I remember rightly.
So JBB - pot, kettle,black I am afraid :)
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Am I not allowed my points of view ? Even if you choose to mostly disagree with them. And I never indulge in personal abuse , like some do. Except when it comes to Bigot the Liar (who does not exist).
So much for free speech and self-appointed censors who tell others to stop talking/writing. Only those you approve of (??) can write on here ?.
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The only person I have 'personally' attacked is Bigot - who does not exist at all.
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So perrr-lease as I am also afraid.
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In the meantime life goes on and some inadequately housed people are looking for a roof over their heads while others more fortunate are not and are not very sympathetic about others. It appears.
demoness the second
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7:14pm Tue 2 Oct 12
You cannot say you are not rude - you may not be in your opinion but others may find you so - it is all relative.
You are allowed your POV and I am allowed to challenge and disagree with you.
So maybe we should just avoid each other?
You are allowed your POV and I am allowed to challenge and disagree with you.
So maybe we should just avoid each other?
Spartacus the Radiator
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9:19pm Tue 2 Oct 12
I think the presence of ivor living in Castlefield must make a lot of people depressed and want to give up on their surroundings.
ImpeturbableLawrence
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9:42pm Tue 2 Oct 12
J B Blackett wrote:I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make in this post so I will only comment on the opening sentences:
ImpeturbableLawrence wrote:I wish I could live in your so tolerant and appealing world of calm , friendliness and serenity where everybody got along with each other and intermingled continuously in all sorts of social , cultural and spiritual ways
tigeran wrote:
Darren Hayday wrote:"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
J B Blackett wrote:You ask any adult in this Country who is not white or speaks with a foreign accent.
Darren Hayday wrote :
"Unfortunately this is a very Xenophobic Country and it’s very easy to blame the immigrants/foreigner
s, etc.
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No, it isn't , Mr Hayday. No more than anywhere else or any country on the 5 continents. Check your 'facts' and justify your all-embracing unprovable and insulting phrase 'very xenophobic'.
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Is this undesirable trait spread evenly all over the country or only in select areas like Tony Blair's country estate or Carlisle or Torbay or Chipping Norton or Hampstead or Rock in Cornwall ? Give us a list of areas and countries you think are 'very xenophobic'
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There was and still is only 'unfettered' immigration of persecuted and afflicted people in war/famine/epidemic ravaged areas. However in most of Europe the concept of democracy is now considered outmoded and politicians ignored what the people said and just handed their orders to civil servants , functionaries and associates.
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Constantly telling people they are 'xenophobic' or 'racist' or whatever does not persuade them they are 'wrong' - it doesn't even add to the argument. It's just name-calling - like politicians and lots of zealots do. With very loud voices.
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If you think this country is 'very xenophobic' rather than making potentially politically-based smears about all the general public in the UK (God forbid any UK politician takes any blame - for anything ) , please provide some evidence that this country is 'very xenophobic' compared to anywhere else.
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You are beginning to talk like one of those 'politicians' we all love , respect and look up to as ideal role models.
Ask them if the UK is a racist or Xenophobic Country or not. You see what stories appear.
You can have stat’s on any subject and also see counter stats to show the exact opposite – but you ask your friends who are not white or who have a foreign accent and see what they say.
Unfortunately not everyone is intelligent and articulate like you.
s, etc"
How on earth can you say that?!!!! This is THE most tolerant country in the world bar none and yes I do believe that that is part of our demise as 'Great Britain'!!! We are totally diluted! We are expected to accept every race, colour and creed and all their beliefs and cultures at the expence of our own and no questions asked!!! What an extremely warped view you have on this country!! This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!! What planet are you on?This country is the ONLY country in the world where a person can come here and COMPLETELY carry on with their religion, culture and traditions and not have to respect the indigenous ways!!
People are guaranteed these freedoms in the USA and quite a few other countries – even in conservative states like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan it is possible to carry on with ‘decadent’ western practices like alcohol and Christianity providing you do it discreetly.
In this country if someone wants to worship in a mosque, speak Urdu at home, and wear Islamic clothes (or Islamic-style clothes amongst some of the younger people) then that is not an act of disrespect to me or other white ‘indigenous’ people nor does it affect my ability to be myself.
Our country has always been changing – you hear nothing now of anti-Catholicism, the Church/Chapel rivalry of the 19th and early 20th centuries, the 1930s hostility to Welsh and Irish ‘immigrants’ to High Wycombe, or the post-1945 hostility to Poles and other central Europeans – our country has absorbed these people and imperceptibly changed into what it is at the moment. Asians born in this country become more and more British as time goes by – we cannot remain completely unchanging as if the desires of the ‘ivor’ blogger had been carried out and we were living in a static society. England is a river not a pond – it is in motion and changes all the time – I don’t see the brown and black people in Wycombe town centre are going to harm us although they will affect a little the way we all change in the future - with their cuisine, fashions, music, and attitudes, amongst other things.
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And folk , who wished to , would have to time to sit around , at any time of their choosing , in amicable little mixed groups and discussed all sorts of things intellectual and philosophical and of import..
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And there was not hatred or fear of others or strangers. And there were no ghettos or monocultural and self-segregated areas where others fear to tread.
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And there were no nasty horrid people about whom might hit you on your head and steal your sandwiches or other less valuable possessions..
.Or fracture and disturb the peoples' peace of mind in other horrid ways. like Mass murder , bombs , bullets , torture , politics or religion or rent or mortgages or being made to 'work' and scratch a living just to survive etc etc
But instead the distant purple sun would shine all through the night. And the pink luminous moon glowing in a friendly way throughout the day would skim the surface of the Earth just above head height basking its surface in a gentle warmth .
And anybody could reach up and scoop a handful of delicious self-replenishing cheese (or yoghurt or anything nutritious that your heart desired ) from its surface without disturbing the beloved Moon's orbit or overall mass.
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And so on .....
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What a wonderful world it would be. (Oh Yeah - just like Louis Armstrong was heard to sing from his heart ). And I sing with him - Oh Yeah.I
I wish I could live in your so tolerant and appealing world of calm , friendliness and serenity where everybody got along with each other and intermingled continuously in all sorts of social , cultural and spiritual ways
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And folk , who wished to , would have to time to sit around , at any time of their choosing , in amicable little mixed groups and discussed all sorts of things intellectual and philosophical and of import..
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make – that I’m living in a fantasy world or imagining a fantasy world. I’m not always friendly or calm or spiritual and don’t intermingle with people – what I said in my post was that other people not being like me doesn’t stop me being myself – not that I was ‘intermingling’ with other people in a sort of nirvana state in Frogmoor or the Eden Centre.
I don’t discuss things much with people - rarely in person - in case they have strongly-held opinions that are opposed to my own (and I cannot do anything ‘at any time of (my) choosing and I keep out of dangerous areas and situations if at all possible).’
I accept the world as much as possible the way it is and realise that it is alweays changeing into something different.
What is the point you are trying to make (in clear non-alliterating sentences.)
ImpeturbableLawrence
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9:46pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Darren Hayday wrote:I agree with your remark:
In a way (and wading through the childish rambling from people like tigeran) I'm humbled that people are taking the time to read my comments.
I do now stand corrected and agree that in the UK that we are a tolerant Country compared to the rest of the world - however I still stand by my points that there are still "some" racist people amongst us - I personally know this as my wife comes across it being of Eastern European decent.
Perhaps where I stated that we should ship/drop all of the feckless into Africa/India/Where ever was not a good reference (I was trying to show that we once would have shipped them to Australia where now they wouldn’t take them) - I was trying to think where we could ship them out to. I was not meaning that these were places in particular that any one race or culture would not have a hard working attitude – the opposite actually!
My original point is that I would rather live next door to a hard working and law abiding man descended from abroad rather than a feckless, lazy British man who thinks it his right to have a Council/Social House and for him to claim benefits, etc
Also I wish that we all held the same intelligent views of ImpeturbableLawrence - and we can then drag ourselves out of the new Dark Age that we've been in for the last 20 odd years while in the meantime the MP's and Bankers have been shafting us.
I wish that we all held the same intelligent views of ImpeturbableLawrence
I often think this myself but is is most unusual for someone to agree with me - well done Darren Hayday!
ImpeturbableLawrence
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9:57pm Tue 2 Oct 12
demoness the second wrote:JBB – you hinted that I was igor the Blogger of Evil at 12:27 when you said:
J B Blackett wrote:How on earth can you say you do not come on here looking for conflict when all you do is make statements about how dire the world is, how evil politicians are and how anyone who dares to criticise HW is clearly Ivor?
demoness the second wrote:You are absolutely correct. I am miserable - now. You have a wicked 'tongue'
JBB - you have got to be one of the most negative miserable posters I have ever had the misfortune to come across in all my years of messing about on the internet.
No one is allowed to see anything good or positive in this world - instead you insist on putting your own bitter jaded nasty slant on it,
I think Lawrence made some really good points in his post - but clearly, you being a man of the world and of far more experience than any of us on here, completely take it to pieces.
When you are not doing that, you are making "witty" remarks which I do not think anyone else understands.
I think the world has too many miseries in it - maybe your vast knowledge and experience has made you thus but do me a favour... keep it to yourself because I am fed up with reading about it :)))
.
And I join happily a band of people who you accuse of various assorted web misdemeanors and have taken to task . In recent times - Like Morag , Lawrence , Tigeran (I'm fraid to say) , Tom of Marlow (who he ?) , myself (I can include you recent past remarks , can't I) and others too numerous or ephemeral to mention.
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If you do not understand my 'witty' remarks' how do you know they are negative and miserable.
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You may (as far as I can tell ) be coming on here looking for conflict - but I do not. I have not been admonished or thrown of the site by the editor.
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I just sometimes wish to express my negative miserable view of the world - like Lawrence (DH ie) or Cassandra.
.
If that is not permitted or if it causes you offense, just skip over it and please allow me (as I allow you ) my opinions.
Thank you.
I have never seen you post anything positive - ever. And you do not like being challenged because you get personal.
So with me it is because I am clearly Ivor and have a wicked tongue.
As for the others - well if you ever bother reading my posts you will see that I always apologise if I have offended. I am absolutely not going to discuss the others here -you too have had more than your fair share of arguments.
Lawrence posted a perfectly reasonable view point an ( IMO) you tore it to pieces.
I did not say anything that was not constructive about Wycombe - and you accused me of being Ivor - in fact you were very rude if I remember rightly.
So JBB - pot, kettle,black I am afraid :)
And there were no nasty horrid people about whom might hit you on your head and steal your sandwiches or other less valuable possessions..
I don’t mind being called a fascist or a hypocrite but comparisons with ivor are taking things a bit too far.
ImpeturbableLawrence
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10:09pm Tue 2 Oct 12
BOOKERite wrote:The population of this country has been increasing ever since it started being recorded in 1801. Until after the Second World War there was little immigration and quite a bit of emigration to the Empire and the USA. I got involved in a dispute earlier this year in the online BFP because I said that I thought the planet was beginning to demonstrate Malthusian tendencies – I think people should have somewhere civilised to live but the way things are at the moment if we build more houses then we will simply fill them and temporarily decrease the amount of people without housing – this is not caused by immigration however.
Why if the 'i' word is mentioned as one of the reasons that we have a housing shortage do you Darren immediately brand anybody who dares discuss the problem as racist or xenophobic? I, like many people in this country, have immigrants way back in my ancestry and I have friends which are of different races and cultures, but IMO over immigration is partly responsible for many things, one being housing shortages, another being the dire state of the NHS, there is just not enough services to go around for all the very many people that have poured into the High Wycombe district over the last few years. This is not a racist comment - what has happened to free speech in this country?
This article has been hijacked once again by agitators and self-publicists.
faircuppa
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10:22pm Tue 2 Oct 12
The issue here is about whether or not there is an imminent housing crisis in High Wycombe. Whatever we think of local councillors, they are probably better suited than bloggers above including Hayday.
Councillors need to be utterly focussed on issues, not going off at tangents. There has not been one single practical idea to ease housing shortages. I suggest all of you above come up with an idea to extend Wycombe's housing stock. The Hayday can present it in his election manifesto.
Councillors need to be utterly focussed on issues, not going off at tangents. There has not been one single practical idea to ease housing shortages. I suggest all of you above come up with an idea to extend Wycombe's housing stock. The Hayday can present it in his election manifesto.
J B Blackett
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11:43pm Tue 2 Oct 12
ImpeturbableLawrence wrote:I was drawing a parallel world similar to the one that Herbert G Wells created in his famous fantastic work of fiction called The Time Machine where the Eloi people lived an apparent idyllic existence where everything was lovely and all the beautiful looking people sat around all day and talked in little friendly groups or danced together and played music and sang uplifting songs and composed poetry etc etc.
BOOKERite wrote:The population of this country has been increasing ever since it started being recorded in 1801. Until after the Second World War there was little immigration and quite a bit of emigration to the Empire and the USA. I got involved in a dispute earlier this year in the online BFP because I said that I thought the planet was beginning to demonstrate Malthusian tendencies – I think people should have somewhere civilised to live but the way things are at the moment if we build more houses then we will simply fill them and temporarily decrease the amount of people without housing – this is not caused by immigration however.
Why if the 'i' word is mentioned as one of the reasons that we have a housing shortage do you Darren immediately brand anybody who dares discuss the problem as racist or xenophobic? I, like many people in this country, have immigrants way back in my ancestry and I have friends which are of different races and cultures, but IMO over immigration is partly responsible for many things, one being housing shortages, another being the dire state of the NHS, there is just not enough services to go around for all the very many people that have poured into the High Wycombe district over the last few years. This is not a racist comment - what has happened to free speech in this country?
This article has been hijacked once again by agitators and self-publicists.
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All the food and drink was free and delicious and appeared magically out of nowhere , whenever it was wanted.
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And weather was always perfect though everybody still wore clothes - brightly coloured and all free also.
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And the Moon was a lot closer to the Earth and loomed in the sky although it was not made of edible matter (I invented that bit for creative reasons).
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And that reason was that there was a bit of a drawback about this paradise because after the Eloi went to have a lie down after a hard day dancing etc , a subterranean and entirely differently evolved race called the Molochs came to surface and rounded up prime Eloi specimens , killed and butchered them and them ate them. Just for protein you understand - no other ulterior motives.
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The Molochs made the whole system work , kept the Eloi in a manner to which they had become accustomed and just took a few Eloi for a meal now and again
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By this means the Molochs kept everybody happy and well fed (including themselves). Even newcomers who would be welcomed with open arms - no immigration , housing ,overcrowding or population problems in Eloi - Molochland.
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And the whole system was in balance and sustainable and life (for most , for a lot of the time ) was lovely.
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But apparently all this is a bad idea and I am a continual miserable s*d and have totally dismantled your points of view / perspective.
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Still as old HG used to say - you can't please everybody all the time.
Cheers
Malc London
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1:05pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Building houses is not the answer. What's needed is for the unemployed/homeless to go elsewhere, somewhere where there are jobs and houses.
If you try and build houses to meet demand, you will continually be building houses.
And it's no good building houses, without building schools, hospitals, and creating jobs.
The only solution is to have less houses, then people will dispurse and eventually you will have less demand, but enough to sustain steady growth at an affordable level.
If you try and build houses to meet demand, you will continually be building houses.
And it's no good building houses, without building schools, hospitals, and creating jobs.
The only solution is to have less houses, then people will dispurse and eventually you will have less demand, but enough to sustain steady growth at an affordable level.
ImpeturbableLawrence
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1:16pm Thu 4 Oct 12
faircuppa wrote:'Whatever we think of local councillors, they are probably better suited than bloggers above including Hayday.'
The issue here is about whether or not there is an imminent housing crisis in High Wycombe. Whatever we think of local councillors, they are probably better suited than bloggers above including Hayday.
Councillors need to be utterly focussed on issues, not going off at tangents. There has not been one single practical idea to ease housing shortages. I suggest all of you above come up with an idea to extend Wycombe's housing stock. The Hayday can present it in his election manifesto.
Some of our local councillors are PHENOMENALLY stupid - it's no wonder they just nod through the decisions of local government officials at planning meetings for instance.
BTW Darren Hayday used to be one of the councillors whose informed opinion you respect.
J B Blackett
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2:11pm Thu 4 Oct 12
Malc London wrote:The flaw in your argument is that a lot of people do not move to merely change houses.
Building houses is not the answer. What's needed is for the unemployed/homeless to go elsewhere, somewhere where there are jobs and houses.
If you try and build houses to meet demand, you will continually be building houses.
And it's no good building houses, without building schools, hospitals, and creating jobs.
The only solution is to have less houses, then people will dispurse and eventually you will have less demand, but enough to sustain steady growth at an affordable level.
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Some cram into overcrowded accommodation and inadequate or unsuitable that is on offer locally. That's either with relatives or landlords who can exploit this sort of situation.
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Sometimes a job-seeker will go elsewhere and look for gainful employment and leave the family where they are - returning now and again.
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Most people are reluctant to change their neighbourhood or relatives or culture unless better opportunities arise for them and/or their families and then they move - even to a different country.
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But a roof over your head , some sort of income providing your food , clothing etc and relatives and friends around you is the basic and currently the only requirement for some.
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Building more houses , you are correct is not the answer. Creating more jobs - wherever they are - is a far better prospect.
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Politicians have used house building as way of soaking up unemployment (skilled and unskilled) but that has only a temporary and passing effect.
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We need to start making things or providing services and expertise again that other countries want and need. We can't all work for the government or in a supermarket.
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Over to the entrepreneurs and politicians in the meantime.
Voyeur
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10:14pm Wed 10 Oct 12
The star blocks in Castlefield do not even meet the Decent Homes Standard so why does WDC expect homeless people to live there? They should be investing in decent homes for all instead of putting homeless families into damp and mouldy conditions.
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