£4.2m plan to convert key roundabout to crossroads (From Bucks Free Press)

Surely this is a huge waste of money? I use this roundabout every day and it's not that bad. Am I the only one who thinks this is unnecessary and will make things worse?

I'm also not sure that this would be a good use of funds..

HOW ABOUT PAYING THIS MONEY TO GET BACK OUR HOSPTIAL SERVICES IN WYCOMBE??

The sceptical part of me thinks that this maybe given the go ahead, to boost the case for the new Super Hospital planned for just up the road..

Also that the Government is giving the big green light to these types of projects to try and boost the economy, etc

It's a terrible idea.

Not sure how it will make over 2,000 new homes either.

Also, notice how the picture of the A404 traffic jam is after Bisham roundabout, and caused by the terrible traffic light system at Handy Cross . . .

I'm sure that there is a traffic light salesman who sells to Bucks County Council and the Highways Agency - that is a very rich man - thanks to his pals in one or both agencies!!

Just look at the MANY traffic lights that there are in our town and in the County - I might think of changing jobs!!! ;op

Brilliant idea.

Move the traffic jams 3 miles further down the road.

Mrs Teresa May doing her bit for society again, I don't think!
You can guarantee if it's not going to be any good, The councils and government will go ahead with it.
They sure have lost touch with life and common sense.

3 years to put some traffic lights in? What a joke - Bucks CC taking the easy & cheap option again. This junction needs a major overhaul to keep the traffic flowing through continuously like the next two junctions up (at Burchetts Green and the A4) - traffic lights will have little discernible impact on the queues, and could in fact make them worse.

Remove the roundabout, tunnel the A308 under the A404 and add some longer slip roads - (proper) job done.

kerlmann wrote:
3 years to put some traffic lights in? What a joke - Bucks CC taking the easy & cheap option again. This junction needs a major overhaul to keep the traffic flowing through continuously like the next two junctions up (at Burchetts Green and the A4) - traffic lights will have little discernible impact on the queues, and could in fact make them worse.

Remove the roundabout, tunnel the A308 under the A404 and add some longer slip roads - (proper) job done.

Totally agree with you, this should have been done years ago, but they need to make it 3 lanes the whole stretch from wycombe to J8/9, but as per usual the think tanks on thousands of pounds a year fail again, what should happen in real terms to make is easier for road users is 4 lanes, as proposed hospital at J 8/9, would help emergancy services

Cressex Offender wrote:
Surely this is a huge waste of money? I use this roundabout every day and it's not that bad. Am I the only one who thinks this is unnecessary and will make things worse?

and what time of day do you use it

andydg52 wrote:
Mrs Teresa May doing her bit for society again, I don't think!
You can guarantee if it's not going to be any good, The councils and government will go ahead with it.
They sure have lost touch with life and common sense.

my best bet is that she be up for the best witch award on the 31st of October, she sure is growing some bags under her eyes

This is not the answer and a seriously unacceptable and unguided approach.
The whole road between the Maidenhead junction of the M4 and the High Wycombe junction of the M40 should be upgraded to a motorways standard and the crossing at Nisham needs an elevated flyover. Then it would make sense to deal with the High Wycombe junction as was proposed in the 1990s to make the through traffic alterations that were proposed then.
The M40 needs re-aligning to allow traffic from Stokenchurch to flow uninterrupted to Beaconsfield by changing the alignment through the diverted line that would move the motorway towards Marlow and facilitate an access road joing the M40 enabling traffic to go westwards at Loudwater. This is the only solution which would work and reduce the 10 major fatalities per year in this section of the motorway.

Replacing roundabouts with traffic light/crossroads hasn't worked in Reading and has only made traffic worse (the A33 past Madejski into town for example). The council have admitted there is still a problem with the traffic but now don't have the funds to re-instate the roundabout.This will be a terible waste of money that could be put to better use elsewhere.

Surely a quicker and cheaper solution would be to keep the existing roundabout, but introduce peak-time only traffic lights?

In my opinion, every single "improvement" made by installing trffic lights in High Wycombe has improved traffic flow not one iota. Iin some instances it is far worse.
Will this be the same? Does anyone in power actually care? When we are told that we live in times where austerity is the answer, does spending money on this, or billions on a new airport (even if it is privately funded, the cost of the servicing infrastructure must be met by taxpayers, 9 billion or so) or HS2 (billions to save a few minutes travel time whilst carving up the countryside) really constitute tightening the belt? How can we spend money we don't have? Where is it coming from? More borrowing? I despair; the politicians really don't have a clue.

stevet123 wrote:

Cressex Offender wrote:
Surely this is a huge waste of money? I use this roundabout every day and it's not that bad. Am I the only one who thinks this is unnecessary and will make things worse?

and what time of day do you use it

Rush hour. I live in Marlow by the junction and work in Maidenhead. So five days a week I use this at rush hour. I accept that the queues from Marlow to Bisham in the morning can be big but I think if anything that traffic lights will make it worse not better.

And what will happen when the traffic lights get stuck on red, like they did on sunday afternoon at the retail park, took me over an hour to get to the park from the town.

Find it hard to believe a set of traffic lights out in the country will cost £4.2M

Would have thought a fly-over would be more appropiate, with provision for future widening of A404 to 3 lanes.

stevet123 wrote:

Ivor'sbestfriend wrote:
Also, notice how the picture of the A404 traffic jam is after Bisham roundabout, and caused by the terrible traffic light system at Handy Cross . . .

what a prat you are

How rude and unnecessary. How about saying something constructive and sensible and not troll-like just to annoy.
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Ivor's Friend is correct btw , The picture is one of the N-bound up the Marlow by-pass , NE of Marlow Town.

CarolHorner wrote:
This is not the answer and a seriously unacceptable and unguided approach.
The whole road between the Maidenhead junction of the M4 and the High Wycombe junction of the M40 should be upgraded to a motorways standard and the crossing at Nisham needs an elevated flyover. Then it would make sense to deal with the High Wycombe junction as was proposed in the 1990s to make the through traffic alterations that were proposed then.
The M40 needs re-aligning to allow traffic from Stokenchurch to flow uninterrupted to Beaconsfield by changing the alignment through the diverted line that would move the motorway towards Marlow and facilitate an access road joing the M40 enabling traffic to go westwards at Loudwater. This is the only solution which would work and reduce the 10 major fatalities per year in this section of the motorway.

when they did the last improvements at handy cross, the M40 should have been made into 3 lanes under that section, or what you have stated, as for a access road at loudwater to go westwards, would mean either knocking down office blocks, or uprooting trees at fennels wood, same as that area a east bound exit could be created on the old railway line, would ease up the pressure of handy cross and wycombe town, but all it would do would create havoc at loudwater which will not cope with the extra traffic what so ever

Cressex Offender wrote:

stevet123 wrote:

Cressex Offender wrote:
Surely this is a huge waste of money? I use this roundabout every day and it's not that bad. Am I the only one who thinks this is unnecessary and will make things worse?

and what time of day do you use it

Rush hour. I live in Marlow by the junction and work in Maidenhead. So five days a week I use this at rush hour. I accept that the queues from Marlow to Bisham in the morning can be big but I think if anything that traffic lights will make it worse not better.

Underpass or fly over the best solutions,i used to use that road travelling to Reading daily nightmare

Can't tunnel the A308, not enough room and very likely below the water table. Best option to shift the junction south 800ft. This allows the 308 to bridge the 404 before the downhill stretch and have long enough slip roads. The roundabout can then be removed and made a straight road.
can however tunnel the 404 UNDER the M40 to bypass the Handycross junction.

Whether or not there is ultimately an improvement, this is a recipe for months of chaos.

I love the way you have illustrated the problems at Bisham roundabout with a picure taken at the Marlow junction of the A404 looking toward the real problem of Handy Cross. The roundabout is bad if you are coming out of Bisham or Maidenhead but for through traffic I have never felt it to be a problem, yes slow at peak times but what do you expect. I can't see how adding lights is going to improve things and during the transition it will be a lot worse. Sadly I had to give up the car for the bus a couple of years ago and for buses and other vehicles trying to get out of Marlow Bottom Road negotiating Handy Cross is no fun, only having 10 seconds to get through the green lights from Marlow Bottom before they go red only to find your way blocked by those idiots who think it ok to jump the lights and block the junction

stevet123 wrote:

Cressex Offender wrote:

stevet123 wrote:

Cressex Offender wrote:
Surely this is a huge waste of money? I use this roundabout every day and it's not that bad. Am I the only one who thinks this is unnecessary and will make things worse?

and what time of day do you use it

Rush hour. I live in Marlow by the junction and work in Maidenhead. So five days a week I use this at rush hour. I accept that the queues from Marlow to Bisham in the morning can be big but I think if anything that traffic lights will make it worse not better.

Underpass or fly over the best solutions,i used to use that road travelling to Reading daily nightmare

I agree. The traffic light idea sounds dreadful and will surely make things worse.

Ms. May should be exported as an internal terrorist. Adding lights will make an already bad situation at rush hours FAR worse.

The money should be spent to build a proper fly over or underpass and remove the situation entirely.

Anything else is just rubbish.

People supporting a flyover at the Bisham roundabout are correct as traffic lights will be just a disaster waiting to happen; we all know that fast traffic on the A404 will be tempted to jump the lights causing crashes and fatalities. So it should be important to separate slower moving local traffic from the fast moving inter- motorway traffic

For a flyover to work effectively it may be sensible to prevent slow moving uphill traffic joining the A404 from a southbound slip lane at the Bisham roundabout flyover.

Instead a new south bound slip road could be built higher up the hill between Bradnam and Inkydown Woods; with a junction where the Marlow Road turns down the hill to join the existing Bisham roundabout.

Yet another rash of traffic lights... what a waste, I hope they put cameras on them to catch the jumpers.

What an absolute Joke - as others have commented, do they not learn from their own and others mistakes? The shambles that is the lights near Sainsburys in Wycombe? The shambles that is happening in Reading near the football ground? For gods sake has anyone in the local councils or governments got any idea whatsoever?

I use the roundabout every day twice a day, and lights will add time to the journey, not cut it at all!

Someone in local government must be on backhanders or something, that or they have an unhealthy obsession with traffic lights. This town and most of the surrounding area is going down the pan and decisions like this only add to the problem!

TerriersResident wrote:
What an absolute Joke - as others have commented, do they not learn from their own and others mistakes? The shambles that is the lights near Sainsburys in Wycombe? The shambles that is happening in Reading near the football ground? For gods sake has anyone in the local councils or governments got any idea whatsoever?

I use the roundabout every day twice a day, and lights will add time to the journey, not cut it at all!

Someone in local government must be on backhanders or something, that or they have an unhealthy obsession with traffic lights. This town and most of the surrounding area is going down the pan and decisions like this only add to the problem!

the idiotic think tanks do not give a dam as thats all they think about to come up with with the aid of a computer, then another department think tank comes up with to shut off more urban street lights to cover the costs of the traffic lights

TerriersResident wrote:
What an absolute Joke - as others have commented, do they not learn from their own and others mistakes? The shambles that is the lights near Sainsburys in Wycombe? The shambles that is happening in Reading near the football ground? For gods sake has anyone in the local councils or governments got any idea whatsoever?

I use the roundabout every day twice a day, and lights will add time to the journey, not cut it at all!

Someone in local government must be on backhanders or something, that or they have an unhealthy obsession with traffic lights. This town and most of the surrounding area is going down the pan and decisions like this only add to the problem!

Theresa May sounds uncharacteristically out of touch.