Mayor blasts 'scandal' of Marlow subsidising High Wycombe (From Bucks Free Press)

Of course it's not fair that Marlow residents should be paying more tax for their Wycombe counterparts, etc

I feel that NOW is the right time to move towards creating a Wycombe Town Council. Please watch this space for further information on this matter.

Do these so called councillors at Princes Risborough, do anything constructive, other than whinge?

They should really look at their own council, and the damage they have done to the town before they even think of attacking other people.

If this town council is anything to go by, i think Wycombe is better off with out one.

It's not an extra level of bureaucracy that we need. Marlow residents pay taxes to three different councils. Unitary authories are the way to go.

Mr Methane wrote:
It's not an extra level of bureaucracy that we need. Marlow residents pay taxes to three different councils. Unitary authories are the way to go.

Yes - but first to make this case, a Town Council would be needed - then to go for a Unitary.

At the moment, the ruling WDC Tories have even ruled out a joint partnership with nearby Councils and are against having a Unitary Council.

It would make sense to start with a Town Council first, especially if the case can be shown that it would save people in tax, etc

miccles wrote:
Do these so called councillors at Princes Risborough, do anything constructive, other than whinge?

They should really look at their own council, and the damage they have done to the town before they even think of attacking other people.

If this town council is anything to go by, i think Wycombe is better off with out one.

Well this is called "Politics".. If you live in PR, then you have the right to vote these Cllrs out.
It’s not a nice game, but it’s the only way that works and we have the right and power of voting.

In Wycombe we don’t have this right as we don’t even have a Parish or Town Council.

We only have District Cllrs who also wear another hat and sit on committees - whereby we aren’t able to vote them off. They are automatically given these seats which make decisions about the town centre and surrounding wards..

What complete nonsense, why pick up on one particular cost centre and create an unbalanced news articles such as this?

Town centre residents subsidise those in rural locations in so many other ways. as many WDC services are considerably more expensive to deliver to rural locations...waste collection for example.

If the cost of running Marlow and Risborough town councils is too great than close them. Hayday pipes up that we must go the other way and have a Wycombe town council of course.

Let WDC manage the affairs of the district and chop all town councils in the district immediately. Problem solved, and more of these sly, expense grabbing little numpties will have to get a proper job like the rest of us.

Stalemate wrote:
What complete nonsense, why pick up on one particular cost centre and create an unbalanced news articles such as this?

Town centre residents subsidise those in rural locations in so many other ways. as many WDC services are considerably more expensive to deliver to rural locations...waste collection for example.

If the cost of running Marlow and Risborough town councils is too great than close them. Hayday pipes up that we must go the other way and have a Wycombe town council of course.

Let WDC manage the affairs of the district and chop all town councils in the district immediately. Problem solved, and more of these sly, expense grabbing little numpties will have to get a proper job like the rest of us.

You are making all of the sounds of a Tory WDC Cllr... There are always going to be grounds for one side of an argument and another - but what makes you such an authority on this subject? All very well that you are throwing around 'names' but where is your substance for this argument (i.e. keeping things as they are - or going the extra mile and actually axing other Town Councils?) - also what is your 'proper' job may I ask?

I run my own company, it makes good money and allows me to live in a mortgage free detached home and send my children to the very best schools in the land.

Others out there will hide behind the statement "run my own company", when in fact the company makes very little money. It's a clever ruse, and fools most unless they choose to download the company accounts and take a look.

There seem to be a good few would be councillors in Wycombe district who "run their own company" but in truth are desperate for some council expenses to put the leccy back on ;-)

Stalemate wrote:
I run my own company, it makes good money and allows me to live in a mortgage free detached home and send my children to the very best schools in the land.

Others out there will hide behind the statement "run my own company", when in fact the company makes very little money. It's a clever ruse, and fools most unless they choose to download the company accounts and take a look.

There seem to be a good few would be councillors in Wycombe district who "run their own company" but in truth are desperate for some council expenses to put the leccy back on ;-)

Thank you for telling us how wonderfully successful and privileged you and your children are but you didn’t answer my question “what makes you such an authority on this subject” – other than insulting most current/future aspiring local Councillors?
Or are you going to inform us some more fascinating insights into your personal life – perhaps telling us that you drive a brand new Bentley with a personalised number plate, take 4 holidays a year and are a VIP BA frequent flyer?
I bet you wake up each and every morning and kiss your mirror – don’t you? Surely?

I'm feeling bad now, and wish I could STRIKE OFF those remarks ;-)

Just shows that sticking up for your mates on completely toilet local political issues is a pretty poor judgement call. Far too many gobby white-van men trying to run this country of ours; give 'em a slap and they'll pipe down.

I'm going to turn the thermostat down a notch or two, as it's way to warm and cosy in this house of mine ;-)

Maybe High Wycombe Town would like our Princes Risborough councillors. They act like a load of children and spent/waste our council tax. We have the highest tax in the district. Here in Risborough we have to pay £95.21 yet Marlow town pay only £42.93 for a band D tax.

why do we need any more layers of paperwork and unneeded expense
county
district
now town

why?
scrap them and have one council= less waste

Well said FairSay

Most posters on this site would have noticed that a certain someone always uses the line "and watch makes you such an authority" as if we are all meant to bow to his experience, not post a thing and simply agree with him on every matter.

Men of that ilk will happily send their wives out to work all week, waiting for years, nay decades, for the next cushy deal to come along. Wycombe Town Council will never happen, and there are a good many people in this town who will fight tooth and nail to make sure that stays the case.

Why not just man up and go get a proper job, or is it a case of "I don't do 9-5 honey".

Feckless I say.

and well said readerabc....another clued up member of the electorate who sees that the job centre is the best place for these feckless local bigwigs.

readerabc wrote:
why do we need any more layers of paperwork and unneeded expense
county
district
now town

why?
scrap them and have one council= less waste

I agree with you! However it's the powers that be that are stopping this from happening - as they don’t want to hand over power to anyone else.

Like everything, you have to start small to build up the case to get a Unitary Council in.

Stalemate wrote:
Well said FairSay

Most posters on this site would have noticed that a certain someone always uses the line "and watch makes you such an authority" as if we are all meant to bow to his experience, not post a thing and simply agree with him on every matter.

Men of that ilk will happily send their wives out to work all week, waiting for years, nay decades, for the next cushy deal to come along. Wycombe Town Council will never happen, and there are a good many people in this town who will fight tooth and nail to make sure that stays the case.

Why not just man up and go get a proper job, or is it a case of "I don't do 9-5 honey".

Feckless I say.

Are you referring to me in particular?

You just have to read Hayday's response to readerabc!

The man really can't take a hint can he ;-)

LOL - I've worked out who you are...

;op

hahaha.... Bless.

Well good luck with that Hayday, come and say hi when you see me next. If you could carry a copy of Private Eye and introduce yourself as Deepthroat, I will be happy to shake hands.

It was nice of you to ask whether I was referring to you; did you spot a little sweetie that you liked on the libel trolley?

Stalemate wrote:
Well good luck with that Hayday, come and say hi when you see me next. If you could carry a copy of Private Eye and introduce yourself as Deepthroat, I will be happy to shake hands.

It was nice of you to ask whether I was referring to you; did you spot a little sweetie that you liked on the libel trolley?

:o)

hahaha - you've made my day.

;op

My - after all - you DO have some authority on this subject don’t you..

I hope that you are taking life a little more relaxed and not getting yourself stressed out in your old age..

I just had a call, are you looking to speak with me?

Why is the Mayor of Princes Risborough giving a story with Marlow in the headline, yet furthur down the story he mentions his own town of Princes Risborough. Is this because he knows residence of Risborough are fed up with paying the highest council tax in the district and he didn't want to bring that to the attention of the BFP readers.
Why didn't Councillor Hall say in the headline 'Scandal' of Risborough subsidising High Wycombe. Since he is suppose to be the Mayor of Risborough not Marlow.

Stalemate wrote:
I just had a call, are you looking to speak with me?

I think that it’s called “paranoia” pal.
:op

Stalemate wrote:
I just had a call, are you looking to speak with me?

Obviously a councillor or ex councillor

Fair Play, the entire story has been contacted for Gazza to push his old mucker Dazza into a town council seat. Risborough and Marlow are read herrings, this is just about Wycombe Town Council. Subtle as a brick!

the spell checking on these postings is appalling.

Stalemate wrote:
the spell checking on these postings is appalling.

:o)

A big smile for you "Salemate".

Enjoy your heating..

Mandieeeeee... ;op

So Hayday, when are you going to accept that you are out of power for good, and that no matter how hard you talk up a "Town Council" or "Unitary Authority" (LMAO!) to force a seismic shift that might get you back in, no-one is buying it?

Once you've all finished your bickering and sniping, maybe we can revisit the original issue? It seems that there's too much being spent on performing tasks that could be run by a single authority. End result is that some areas are paying more for "administration" than others. Surely there's a really simple, cost effective solution?

Remove ALL Town Councils - If High Wycombe can cope without one, why does Princes Risborough and Marlow need one?

Remove ALL District Councils - after all, the services could be subsumed into Councy Councils.

Remove ALL County Councils - instead utilise a shared service model whereby there's just one HR Department for all Councils, one Payroll department, one Legal department, one IT Facility (it's known as G-Cloud and its already happening elsewhere), etc. etc.

This way you remove three layers of overhead.

Consolidate all ratepayer payments, so you don't have a country and district precepts. This would simplify the administration, making it cheaper to operate (and the savings could be passed back to ratepayers).

What you do still need is localised decision making - which is where MP's and Councillors still have a role. Or maybe that could be performed by Parish Councillors instead?

Lights blue touch paper, stands well back.....

What nobody seems to understand that High Wycombe has only one councillor on the cabinet. Residents hereare tired of the town being run on the cheap by residents of Marlow and other parts of the District. A town council and a unitary is best.

I want to know where Wayneo has gone - he would love a good old political rumbus :))

Verdamus = Hayday
Wayneo is one of Hayday's mates

It's the Daren Hayday political mouththpiece column again.

geoffW wrote:
It's the Daren Hayday political mouththpiece column again.

I assume he wants to become a County Councillor, hence all the posting over the last couple of months. Oh dear!

Stalemate wrote:
Verdamus = Hayday
Wayneo is one of Hayday's mates

No I'm not Verdamus - I don't hide behind made up names "Clive".

Mr Silent Majority wrote:

geoffW wrote:
It's the Daren Hayday political mouththpiece column again.

I assume he wants to become a County Councillor, hence all the posting over the last couple of months. Oh dear!

Correct, plus just like you - I live in the area and have an interest in different local matters.

geoffW wrote:
It's the Daren Hayday political mouththpiece column again.

Well Geoff to be honest, all I want to do is to add my 2p's worth and there is at least one person on this posting that is being rather personal and vindictive.
It would be interesting if he were to be uncovered, for other people to know who he is and what his views are on 'plebs'.

A main reason why I left the 'nasty' party.

Yes I am political (for my sins) I can’t help it.
Just like you, I want to discuss different subjects.
I maybe wrong on some area’s but that’s the point of having the right to express your own views and also to listen to other views.
I also choose to write under my actual name.

miccles wrote:

Stalemate wrote:
I just had a call, are you looking to speak with me?

Obviously a councillor or ex councillor

Yes - I believe that he is a current sitting Conservative WDC Councillor.
Hence the reason that he's being rather vindictive and nasty, as he is not happy with me for standing up against the Stadium plans in Booker.

gpn01 wrote:
Once you've all finished your bickering and sniping, maybe we can revisit the original issue? It seems that there's too much being spent on performing tasks that could be run by a single authority. End result is that some areas are paying more for "administration
" than others. Surely there's a really simple, cost effective solution?

Remove ALL Town Councils - If High Wycombe can cope without one, why does Princes Risborough and Marlow need one?

Remove ALL District Councils - after all, the services could be subsumed into Councy Councils.

Remove ALL County Councils - instead utilise a shared service model whereby there's just one HR Department for all Councils, one Payroll department, one Legal department, one IT Facility (it's known as G-Cloud and its already happening elsewhere), etc. etc.

This way you remove three layers of overhead.

Consolidate all ratepayer payments, so you don't have a country and district precepts. This would simplify the administration, making it cheaper to operate (and the savings could be passed back to ratepayers).

What you do still need is localised decision making - which is where MP's and Councillors still have a role. Or maybe that could be performed by Parish Councillors instead?

Lights blue touch paper, stands well back.....

I think that this would be a better idea - however I also know that the current leaders of BCC and WDC would be against this plan and will fight it (as they and their predecessors have in the past).

I know that there are many Councils up and down the UK that jointly work together or work better as Unitary Councils - but unfortunately that power is out of our hands.

I believe for instance that Wycombe should not have a Committee - that it should have a Town Council - this would be a start in the right direction.

Alex Collingwood - the current leader of WDC has recently stated that he doesn’t see the benefits of working jointly with the nearby other District Councils.

So - this is what we are left with..

demoness the second wrote:
I want to know where Wayneo has gone - he would love a good old political rumbus :))

Yes, I have been wondering that myself. I haven't seen him since the infamous Editor's Chair Freedom of Speech debacle.

Morag wrote:

demoness the second wrote:
I want to know where Wayneo has gone - he would love a good old political rumbus :))

Yes, I have been wondering that myself. I haven't seen him since the infamous Editor's Chair Freedom of Speech debacle.

A rhombus is a simple (non self-intersecting) quadrilateral whose four sides all have the same length.
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Folk have to decide which side they are on. They do have a choice but not necessarily of the right angle.
.
Sorry ; perhaps that was too obtuse.

J B Blackett wrote:

Morag wrote:

demoness the second wrote: I want to know where Wayneo has gone - he would love a good old political rumbus :))

Yes, I have been wondering that myself. I haven't seen him since the infamous Editor's Chair Freedom of Speech debacle.

A rhombus is a simple (non self-intersecting) quadrilateral whose four sides all have the same length. . Folk have to decide which side they are on. They do have a choice but not necessarily of the right angle. . Sorry ; perhaps that was too obtuse.

Beware, JBB. If someone accuses you of being acutely obtuse, it is not complimentary.

J B Blackett wrote:

Morag wrote:

demoness the second wrote: I want to know where Wayneo has gone - he would love a good old political rumbus :))

Yes, I have been wondering that myself. I haven't seen him since the infamous Editor's Chair Freedom of Speech debacle.

A rhombus is a simple (non self-intersecting) quadrilateral whose four sides all have the same length. . Folk have to decide which side they are on. They do have a choice but not necessarily of the right angle. . Sorry ; perhaps that was too obtuse.

Actually that holds true only in a flat universe. In a curved (concave or convex) universe the statement isn't correct. Real depends which universe you're living in. Looking at soem of the posts, I suspect that you're at least in a different dimension.

gpn01 wrote:

J B Blackett wrote:

Morag wrote:

demoness the second wrote: I want to know where Wayneo has gone - he would love a good old political rumbus :))

Yes, I have been wondering that myself. I haven't seen him since the infamous Editor's Chair Freedom of Speech debacle.

A rhombus is a simple (non self-intersecting) quadrilateral whose four sides all have the same length. . Folk have to decide which side they are on. They do have a choice but not necessarily of the right angle. . Sorry ; perhaps that was too obtuse.

Actually that holds true only in a flat universe. In a curved (concave or convex) universe the statement isn't correct. Real depends which universe you're living in. Looking at soem of the posts, I suspect that you're at least in a different dimension.

A rhomboid is a rum bird which ever dimension it does or does not exist in.
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Most Non-Euclideans would concur.
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They would also say that 'Dimension trumps Universe' every time - especially while drinking from a Klein bottle

I think I prefer the annonymous banter. This is far too personal... I am not involved in politics and my views would prob not be of much interest to people, but this is fit for the playground. Take each other with a pinch of salt and a swig of tequila for both of your blood pressures sakes. Life is too short!!!

Darren Hayday wrote:

gpn01 wrote:
Once you've all finished your bickering and sniping, maybe we can revisit the original issue? It seems that there's too much being spent on performing tasks that could be run by a single authority. End result is that some areas are paying more for "administration

" than others. Surely there's a really simple, cost effective solution?

Remove ALL Town Councils - If High Wycombe can cope without one, why does Princes Risborough and Marlow need one?

Remove ALL District Councils - after all, the services could be subsumed into Councy Councils.

Remove ALL County Councils - instead utilise a shared service model whereby there's just one HR Department for all Councils, one Payroll department, one Legal department, one IT Facility (it's known as G-Cloud and its already happening elsewhere), etc. etc.

This way you remove three layers of overhead.

Consolidate all ratepayer payments, so you don't have a country and district precepts. This would simplify the administration, making it cheaper to operate (and the savings could be passed back to ratepayers).

What you do still need is localised decision making - which is where MP's and Councillors still have a role. Or maybe that could be performed by Parish Councillors instead?

Lights blue touch paper, stands well back.....

I think that this would be a better idea - however I also know that the current leaders of BCC and WDC would be against this plan and will fight it (as they and their predecessors have in the past).

I know that there are many Councils up and down the UK that jointly work together or work better as Unitary Councils - but unfortunately that power is out of our hands.

I believe for instance that Wycombe should not have a Committee - that it should have a Town Council - this would be a start in the right direction.

Alex Collingwood - the current leader of WDC has recently stated that he doesn’t see the benefits of working jointly with the nearby other District Councils.

So - this is what we are left with..

Have ever tried getting any sense out of the BCC or WDC if you live out side Wycombe or Aylesbury - I sure they think that it a place were the yokels live and interbred because they don't care about the roads, schools or services out side the big towns that's for sure.