High Speed rail route confirmed (From Bucks Free Press)

Oh great! That's alright then!

Doesn't sound like they've changed anything in this area? The poor beggars in Wendover, south Aylesbury and Missenden will be blighted by monstrous viaducts and cable gantries. It wouldn't be so bad if they looked like the nice giant brick viaduct at Gerrards Cross over the M25 that Great Central had built, but they will be ugly efficient concrete structures.
I suppose in 100 years they won't know why everyone made so much fuss!
It's not as if we will benefit with a station to connect us with the HS line.

I cant believe they are going to ruin the countryside ive grown up in for 30 years, just so some businessman/woman can get to Birmingham or London 15 mins earlier.
I wont be buying another house in Bucks, I will be looking elsewhere.
I dont suppose it will be passing through chequers front garden will it!!

Cheryl Gillan: resign

Excellent news that HS2 is going ahead - and essentially on the same alignment that was published back in March. This was always going to be the most appropriate route.

Futher mitigation measures have been put in place where necessary, so there will be little visual or noise impact for the vast majority of the route through Bucks.

The critics of the scheme will doubtless misrepresent it, whether through ignorance or malice, and the NIMBYS will be out in force, and will need to be faced down by the strength of argument in favour of the project.

Is there any chance that the Bucks Free Press might give a balanced account of the arguments, I wonder? It seems unlikely, given the hysterical and tendentious style of reporting of this story over the past few months.

I've been to visit the line of HS1 and been "up close" to it - the noise and visual intrusion is remarkably slight - certainly less than any dual carriageway or motorway I have ever encountered. People concerend about this ought to check out the facts, and not allow themselves to be hoodwinked by the hysterical or the ignorant.

At least it isn't coming through Wycombe....
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I pity the poor people of Wendover, Amersham and Missenden. Their lives will be ruined....
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Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page.

This will be a financial disaster. Rail travel is horrifically expensive anyway and this is only going to be more expensive still. It will never recoup the outlay and will need everybody, users and non-users, to prop it up - just like the existing railways but far less useful to the people.

Why is NIMBY portrayed as bad? HS2 won't affect me directly, but I worked hard for the house I live in and paid through the nose to live somewhere nice for my family to grow up in. I am not ashamed of wanting to defend that where necessary. Anyone who accuses people of NIMBYism is clearly unaffected by any blights. NIMBY, yes, and in this case NIABY Not In Anyone's Back Yard.

My comment in support of HS2 got deleted it was not offensive. So why did Bucks free Press delete it?

ivor wrote:
At least it isn't coming through Wycombe....
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I pity the poor people of Wendover, Amersham and Missenden. Their lives will be ruined....
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Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “BLOGS” link at the top of the page.

I don't agree with the line but I hardly see how those in Wendover or Amersham can be that put out? Wendover is a town built next to what is esentially a bypass with a trainline running through it already and an RAF site at Halton. Amersham has a train line and tube line, a massive Tesco's and is grid-locked without fail every morning. Its hardly quaint or quiet.

All that money in order to cut the journey time to Birmingham by 25 minutes!

On a day when Chilterns Railways left passengers stranded by not stopping at the stations they had serviced in the morning.

Scrap HS2, spend just 10% of the money on improving the existing connection, including reducing fares and more trains and the other 90% on the cuts being made to other services.

And IF you really need to get to Birmingham 25 minutes earlier, get an earlier train.

Timbers wrote:
Excellent news that HS2 is going ahead - and essentially on the same alignment that was published back in March. This was always going to be the most appropriate route. Futher mitigation measures have been put in place where necessary, so there will be little visual or noise impact for the vast majority of the route through Bucks. The critics of the scheme will doubtless misrepresent it, whether through ignorance or malice, and the NIMBYS will be out in force, and will need to be faced down by the strength of argument in favour of the project. Is there any chance that the Bucks Free Press might give a balanced account of the arguments, I wonder? It seems unlikely, given the hysterical and tendentious style of reporting of this story over the past few months. I've been to visit the line of HS1 and been "up close" to it - the noise and visual intrusion is remarkably slight - certainly less than any dual carriageway or motorway I have ever encountered. People concerend about this ought to check out the facts, and not allow themselves to be hoodwinked by the hysterical or the ignorant.

What a remarkably spiteful diatribe. It is not surprising that the very people who are in favour of such developments in the South East,bstart by casting insulting labels such as Nimby, accuse residents of misrepresentation or insinuate that they don't know what they are talking about, i'm afraid they do and using fallacious arguments to in order to slur speaks for itself.

Most people I know who live in villages, are not against development, they are just against bad development and are fortunate enough to be in a position where they can make their voices heard - equally, were the strength of argument in favour of the project known or indeed prevalent, then there would be demonstrations in favour, not against. Evidently the case has not been made has it?

By the way, what's wrong with people wanting to protect their way of life, to preserve their villages for their children etc?

wayneo wrote:

Timbers wrote:
Excellent news that HS2 is going ahead - and essentially on the same alignment that was published back in March. This was always going to be the most appropriate route. Futher mitigation measures have been put in place where necessary, so there will be little visual or noise impact for the vast majority of the route through Bucks. The critics of the scheme will doubtless misrepresent it, whether through ignorance or malice, and the NIMBYS will be out in force, and will need to be faced down by the strength of argument in favour of the project. Is there any chance that the Bucks Free Press might give a balanced account of the arguments, I wonder? It seems unlikely, given the hysterical and tendentious style of reporting of this story over the past few months. I've been to visit the line of HS1 and been "up close" to it - the noise and visual intrusion is remarkably slight - certainly less than any dual carriageway or motorway I have ever encountered. People concerend about this ought to check out the facts, and not allow themselves to be hoodwinked by the hysterical or the ignorant.

What a remarkably spiteful diatribe. It is not surprising that the very people who are in favour of such developments in the South East,bstart by casting insulting labels such as Nimby, accuse residents of misrepresentation or insinuate that they don't know what they are talking about, i'm afraid they do and using fallacious arguments to in order to slur speaks for itself.

Most people I know who live in villages, are not against development, they are just against bad development and are fortunate enough to be in a position where they can make their voices heard - equally, were the strength of argument in favour of the project known or indeed prevalent, then there would be demonstrations in favour, not against. Evidently the case has not been made has it?

By the way, what's wrong with people wanting to protect their way of life, to preserve their villages for their children etc?

Hear hear Wayneo - lets keep the Chilterns as they are .
I wonder how the poster would feel if it were HIS or HER home that was going to be compulsory purchased....
This is wrong and the raping of the countryside is wrong.

Malc London wrote:
All that money in order to cut the journey time to Birmingham by 25 minutes!

On a day when Chilterns Railways left passengers stranded by not stopping at the stations they had serviced in the morning.

Scrap HS2, spend just 10% of the money on improving the existing connection, including reducing fares and more trains and the other 90% on the cuts being made to other services.

And IF you really need to get to Birmingham 25 minutes earlier, get an earlier train.

simple solution, Nationalise the trains. It is the only way you will see investment because as a nationalised industry they are service driven and not PROFIT driven. Imagine London Underground being privatised. The fares would rocket, service reduced, less staff, less safer stations, hold on isn't that already being proposed by a right wing government. It aint gona get any better.

demoness wrote:

wayneo wrote:

Timbers wrote: Excellent news that HS2 is going ahead - and essentially on the same alignment that was published back in March. This was always going to be the most appropriate route. Futher mitigation measures have been put in place where necessary, so there will be little visual or noise impact for the vast majority of the route through Bucks. The critics of the scheme will doubtless misrepresent it, whether through ignorance or malice, and the NIMBYS will be out in force, and will need to be faced down by the strength of argument in favour of the project. Is there any chance that the Bucks Free Press might give a balanced account of the arguments, I wonder? It seems unlikely, given the hysterical and tendentious style of reporting of this story over the past few months. I've been to visit the line of HS1 and been "up close" to it - the noise and visual intrusion is remarkably slight - certainly less than any dual carriageway or motorway I have ever encountered. People concerend about this ought to check out the facts, and not allow themselves to be hoodwinked by the hysterical or the ignorant.

What a remarkably spiteful diatribe. It is not surprising that the very people who are in favour of such developments in the South East,bstart by casting insulting labels such as Nimby, accuse residents of misrepresentation or insinuate that they don't know what they are talking about, i'm afraid they do and using fallacious arguments to in order to slur speaks for itself. Most people I know who live in villages, are not against development, they are just against bad development and are fortunate enough to be in a position where they can make their voices heard - equally, were the strength of argument in favour of the project known or indeed prevalent, then there would be demonstrations in favour, not against. Evidently the case has not been made has it? By the way, what's wrong with people wanting to protect their way of life, to preserve their villages for their children etc?

Hear hear Wayneo - lets keep the Chilterns as they are . I wonder how the poster would feel if it were HIS or HER home that was going to be compulsory purchased.... This is wrong and the raping of the countryside is wrong.

Well i haven't had a good look at the new route yet, but as long as some of those cottages on the Ellesborough Road just above the station are still going, that will be good, those cars a pain in the neck.

Those cottages are older than you.
Find a different way if it upsets you so much. :)

Timbers wrote:
Excellent news that HS2 is going ahead - and essentially on the same alignment that was published back in March. This was always going to be the most appropriate route.

Futher mitigation measures have been put in place where necessary, so there will be little visual or noise impact for the vast majority of the route through Bucks.

The critics of the scheme will doubtless misrepresent it, whether through ignorance or malice, and the NIMBYS will be out in force, and will need to be faced down by the strength of argument in favour of the project.

Is there any chance that the Bucks Free Press might give a balanced account of the arguments, I wonder? It seems unlikely, given the hysterical and tendentious style of reporting of this story over the past few months.

I've been to visit the line of HS1 and been "up close" to it - the noise and visual intrusion is remarkably slight - certainly less than any dual carriageway or motorway I have ever encountered. People concerend about this ought to check out the facts, and not allow themselves to be hoodwinked by the hysterical or the ignorant.

I assume you are a plant for the pro lobby.
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3 months ago I moved from Wycombe from a house that backed onto the main line. I now live in a house where I can see a train passing occasionally and can just about hear it.
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Life is good. But would I trade this for a house that had no railway line and was more of a countryside idyll where there was even more wildlife than I have here. No, and only because I could not afford to do so.
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Would I be happy if I had committed vast amounts of money for this tranquility and was then told that 150mph trains would whip through my back yard regularly? I don't think so.
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As for comparisons to motorways and dual carriageways - guess what, I would protest against the building of these in my back yard as would any human being who cared. I looked at a house that was by the motorway. It was lovely as long as you never opened any windows or doors.
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The most appropriate route in my mind is not the one they intend to go with. The most appropriate route is more direct and surely more sensible. Alas, it is not the cheapest route, hence it was not chosen.
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I don't believe I'm hysterical or ignorant. I don't believe I am hoodwinking everybody. The charge of 'hoodwinking' should surely be laid at your door Timbers (who I don't ever recall posting any other message on the BFP website despite frequenting these pages myself).
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Am I a NIMBY? Yes, and proud to be so. If nobody ever complained then we would never get anywhere in this world.
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I agree entirely with Malc from Gerrards Cross. If you want to reach your destination 25 minutes earlier - leave 25 minutes earlier. The same applies for car journeys too.
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The governments have talked of high speed trains for so many years now and have never produced the goods when it came to paying. One might hope that it is still the same hot air being spouted now as was then. I would feel more reassured if the Liberal Democrats had said they were in favour of HS2 when they were hoping for votes - at least we would have hope that they adopt the same volte-face that they seem to have done over most other issues.

Peace! (to all that don't have 150mph trains in their back garden yet)

demoness wrote:
Those cottages are older than you. Find a different way if it upsets you so much. :)

They are alot older than me, and i'm certainly not finding another way home just because of them, sooner they go the better.

miccles wrote:

demoness wrote:
Those cottages are older than you. Find a different way if it upsets you so much. :)

They are alot older than me, and i'm certainly not finding another way home just because of them, sooner they go the better.

How charming. Heaven forbid that someone's home should interfere with you getting to work.
Lets leave it there shall we - I can tell a WUM when I see one. :)

It all only goes to prove the theory that we are governed by idiots. Arrogant idiots of course well but nevertheless still idiots. Who know better than YOU - about everything.
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What a hopeless inept shower we have had over the last few years - no improvement there , whatever party they say they belong to at the time.
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This railway line makes no sense whatsoever - be it commercially , environmentally, energy-wise , misuse of raw imported materials , speculative traffic forecasts, vulnerability , 'public consultations'(an undemocratic Mugabe-type joke), economics , running costs , financial viability, social and demographic fall-out , pollution , noise control etc etc etc. The case cannot be made which ever it's viewed.
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Just looking at the background, nature and intelligence of the people who say they support it and you can see what I mean. But YOU are being TOLD YOU are paying for it.
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I still think it's somebody completely barmy having a big joke with this crackpot scheme - remember it was all approved by lots of those those expense- cheating lying politicians. .
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It's not THEIR money they are dispensing is it ? Just like the obscene political and banking expenses , payments and other scams - all taken from the same source --- that's YOU !

Timbers wrote:
Excellent news that HS2 is going ahead - and essentially on the same alignment that was published back in March. This was always going to be the most appropriate route.

Futher mitigation measures have been put in place where necessary, so there will be little visual or noise impact for the vast majority of the route through Bucks.

The critics of the scheme will doubtless misrepresent it, whether through ignorance or malice, and the NIMBYS will be out in force, and will need to be faced down by the strength of argument in favour of the project.

Is there any chance that the Bucks Free Press might give a balanced account of the arguments, I wonder? It seems unlikely, given the hysterical and tendentious style of reporting of this story over the past few months.

I've been to visit the line of HS1 and been "up close" to it - the noise and visual intrusion is remarkably slight - certainly less than any dual carriageway or motorway I have ever encountered. People concerend about this ought to check out the facts, and not allow themselves to be hoodwinked by the hysterical or the ignorant.

WHat an absolute ar$e you are coming out with a statement like you have. Do you actually live in Wycombe or do you live somewhere no where near like all the people that have made the decision they have today.
I don't want the HS2 going through the Chilterns, what benefit has it to the area, NONE!!!! Does that make me a Nimby? Would like to see you come and say it to my face! I want to live in this area as it is away from all the hustle and bussle. There is a perfectly good Railline in the area, albeit not that good recently with the weather but then neither has the busiest airport in the world!!!!
All those people who immediately scream NIMBYS at people who want to defend their lifestyle from something that is of no benefit, GET A LIFE.

demoness wrote:

miccles wrote:

demoness wrote: Those cottages are older than you. Find a different way if it upsets you so much. :)

They are alot older than me, and i'm certainly not finding another way home just because of them, sooner they go the better.

How charming. Heaven forbid that someone's home should interfere with you getting to work. Lets leave it there shall we - I can tell a WUM when I see one. :)

Well when people are so ignorant to leave their cars on a narrow bit of road, causing havoc not only to me, but to everyone who drives past, its not only ignorance, its dangerous, sooner they go the better.

Nothing at all to do with the drivers / travelers , please note
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How inconsiderate for people to live where they live - And not only that but at the same time inconveniencing other people who live somewhere else having to driving at / around / up / over and through them.
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Some people are so unhelpful - they should move somewhere else so that people who live somewhere else can drive forwards and backwards to somewhere else to live and work without any inconvenience.
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These unhelpful people keep getting in the way continually of these people who want to go somewhere else all the time.
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Of course another solution is for the long-term regular traveller to move somewhere else - a bit nearer to the somewhere else he/she keeps persisting in or having to go to.
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That may kill several birds with one stone but I'm afraid it's one of those logical strategic stones which are in very short supply nowadays. It could save money and resources too - for everybody.
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Now I'm off somewhere else but I will walk - Bye

Still see no commercial justification. Will get rid of poluting short haul. Won't happen. No requirement.

Funny thing is - ALL THREE main political parties ARE convinced of the case for High Speed Rail. It is just that the TORY MPs LOCALLY find it easier to oppose than explain the scheme. The bald truth is that HS2 brings no benefit to Bucks, but it isn't supposed to. It does bring benefit to UK PLC. That is why the parties in Westminster all see why it needs to be built. Our rail network is decades behind the rest of Europe. I wonder what the outcry was when they built the Chiltern Line?

J B Blackett wrote:
Nothing at all to do with the drivers / travelers , please note . How inconsiderate for people to live where they live - And not only that but at the same time inconveniencing other people who live somewhere else having to driving at / around / up / over and through them. . Some people are so unhelpful - they should move somewhere else so that people who live somewhere else can drive forwards and backwards to somewhere else to live and work without any inconvenience. . These unhelpful people keep getting in the way continually of these people who want to go somewhere else all the time. . Of course another solution is for the long-term regular traveller to move somewhere else - a bit nearer to the somewhere else he/she keeps persisting in or having to go to. . That may kill several birds with one stone but I'm afraid it's one of those logical strategic stones which are in very short supply nowadays. It could save money and resources too - for everybody. . Now I'm off somewhere else but I will walk - Bye

Roads are for driving on, not parking your car on.

What's so important about getting to Birmingham or London 30 minutes earlier?

as well as arring early, you will also get home earlier as the trains travel the same speed in both directions thus shortening the total time spent traveling. If it is 30 minutes each way then that is 5 hours per week.

Unless a train is cancelled or delayed, then it has cost £33 Billion for the same service.

And don't forget, the current route stops at various places, the HS2 will take you directly into London and then you will have to spend another hour getting home!

Judging by the no response to my idea of re nationalising the rail industry, maybe that is the answer but most of you cant admit it because it goes against your beliefs. Come on folks forget your political beliefs, Change if needed should benefit the electorate regardless of which paty you support. HS2 is unpopular but only because it goes through a tory heartland. Was there the same uproar from the same people when the north was killed off by Thatcher? No, so don't cry now your patch is being affected. there is a world beyond the Chilterns.

Well said DJ.. I also don't care about being accused of being a NIMBY. This is an incredibly beautiful area with no light pollution from street lights, no excessive building, lots of lovely rolling green fields and natural tree formations and although the railway is around somewhere, there are no where close to the number of trains passing on them at anywhere near the speeds of the HS2.

The HS2 is going to be on a track about 70m above our house. I'd LOVE to move, but even the chance of the HS2 being built reduced the value of our house and when it IS built, exactly WHO is going to want to move here?

It is very easy for those who aren't actually going to be BLIGHTED by this UNNECESSARY monstrosity to accuse us of being NIMBY's but just you wait to see the knock-on effects. What is the point of declaring an area AONB if you are going to put your dirty great big feet all over it at the first opportunity?

Also, not only is the "25 mins saved" pathetic, but if they spent all this money on making the existing track better (so that the "wrong" snow doesn't bring us to a stand-still), cheaper so that more commuters would use it, facilities on-board so that workers could access the internet etc, it would be better spent.

This whole thing is a travesty.

Well said DJ.. I also don't care about being accused of being a NIMBY. This is an incredibly beautiful area with no light pollution from street lights, no excessive building, lots of lovely rolling green fields and natural tree formations and although the railway is around somewhere, there are no where close to the number of trains passing on them at anywhere near the speeds of the HS2.

The HS2 is going to be on a track about 70m above our house. I'd LOVE to move, but even the chance of the HS2 being built reduced the value of our house and when it IS built, exactly WHO is going to want to move here?

It is very easy for those who aren't actually going to be BLIGHTED by this UNNECESSARY monstrosity to accuse us of being NIMBY's but just you wait to see the knock-on effects. What is the point of declaring an area AONB if you are going to put your dirty great big feet all over it at the first opportunity?

Also, not only is the "25 mins saved" pathetic, but if they spent all this money on making the existing track better (so that the "wrong" snow doesn't bring us to a stand-still), cheaper so that more commuters would use it, facilities on-board so that workers could access the internet etc, it would be better spent.

This whole thing is a travesty.

Well said DJ.. I also don't care about being accused of being a NIMBY. This is an incredibly beautiful area with no light pollution from street lights, no excessive building, lots of lovely rolling green fields and natural tree formations and although the railway is around somewhere, there are no where close to the number of trains passing on them at anywhere near the speeds of the HS2.

The HS2 is going to be on a track about 70m above our house. I'd LOVE to move, but even the chance of the HS2 being built reduced the value of our house and when it IS built, exactly WHO is going to want to move here?

It is very easy for those who aren't actually going to be BLIGHTED by this UNNECESSARY monstrosity to accuse us of being NIMBY's but just you wait to see the knock-on effects. What is the point of declaring an area AONB if you are going to put your dirty great big feet all over it at the first opportunity?

Also, not only is the "25 mins saved" pathetic, but if they spent all this money on making the existing track better (so that the "wrong" snow doesn't bring us to a stand-still), cheaper so that more commuters would use it, facilities on-board so that workers could access the internet etc, it would be better spent.

This whole thing is a travesty.

sparky49 wrote:
Judging by the no response to my idea of re nationalising the rail industry, maybe that is the answer but most of you cant admit it because it goes against your beliefs. Come on folks forget your political beliefs, Change if needed should benefit the electorate regardless of which paty you support. HS2 is unpopular but only because it goes through a tory heartland. Was there the same uproar from the same people when the north was killed off by Thatcher? No, so don't cry now your patch is being affected. there is a world beyond the Chilterns.

spot on!

Well said DJ.. I also don't care about being accused of being a NIMBY. This is an incredibly beautiful area with no light pollution from street lights, no excessive building, lots of lovely rolling green fields and natural tree formations and although the railway is around somewhere, there are no where close to the number of trains passing on them at anywhere near the speeds of the HS2.

The HS2 is going to be on a track about 70m above our house. I'd LOVE to move, but even the chance of the HS2 being built reduced the value of our house and when it IS built, exactly WHO is going to want to move here?

It is very easy for those who aren't actually going to be BLIGHTED by this UNNECESSARY monstrosity to accuse us of being NIMBY's but just you wait to see the knock-on effects. What is the point of declaring an area AONB if you are going to put your dirty great big feet all over it at the first opportunity?

Also, not only is the "25 mins saved" pathetic, but if they spent all this money on making the existing track better (so that the "wrong" snow doesn't bring us to a stand-still), cheaper so that more commuters would use it, facilities on-board so that workers could access the internet etc, it would be better spent.

This whole thing is a travesty.

Well said DJ.. I also don't care about being accused of being a NIMBY. This is an incredibly beautiful area with no light pollution from street lights, no excessive building, lots of lovely rolling green fields and natural tree formations and although the railway is around somewhere, there are no where close to the number of trains passing on them at anywhere near the speeds of the HS2.

The HS2 is going to be on a track about 70m above our house. I'd LOVE to move, but even the chance of the HS2 being built reduced the value of our house and when it IS built, exactly WHO is going to want to move here?

It is very easy for those who aren't actually going to be BLIGHTED by this UNNECESSARY monstrosity to accuse us of being NIMBY's but just you wait to see the knock-on effects. What is the point of declaring an area AONB if you are going to put your dirty great big feet all over it at the first opportunity?

Also, not only is the "25 mins saved" pathetic, but if they spent all this money on making the existing track better (so that the "wrong" snow doesn't bring us to a stand-still), cheaper so that more commuters would use it, facilities on-board so that workers could access the internet etc, it would be better spent.

This whole thing is a travesty.

A lot of people didn't agree with the rail link in Kent. I know people who lost their homes, people were given a pittance in compensation. The countryside was destroyed and those affected by the link did not benefit.
I used to live very near the link. There is noise by way. You cannot eliminate it. And you get the disruption caused by the construction of the link.
It seems that those in favour have the attitude that as long as it's not affecting them it's ok.
What if it was you that was going to lose their home? Progress is not always a good thing.

Well said DJ.. I also don't care about being accused of being a NIMBY. This is an incredibly beautiful area with no light pollution from street lights, no excessive building, lots of lovely rolling green fields and natural tree formations and although the railway is around somewhere, there are no where close to the number of trains passing on them at anywhere near the speeds of the HS2.

The HS2 is going to be on a track about 70m above our house. I'd LOVE to move, but even the chance of the HS2 being built reduced the value of our house and when it IS built, exactly WHO is going to want to move here?

It is very easy for those who aren't actually going to be BLIGHTED by this UNNECESSARY monstrosity to accuse us of being NIMBY's but just you wait to see the knock-on effects. What is the point of declaring an area AONB if you are going to put your dirty great big feet all over it at the first opportunity?

Also, not only is the "25 mins saved" pathetic, but if they spent all this money on making the existing track better (so that the "wrong" snow doesn't bring us to a stand-still), cheaper so that more commuters would use it, facilities on-board so that workers could access the internet etc, it would be better spent.

This whole thing is a travesty.

If I had a pound for every hour I spent in the cold draughty Red Star Parcels office at King's Cross while the sullen ignorant British Rail employees of your precious nationalised railways looked everywhere but at their customers, sparky49, I would be a good deal wealthier today!

Thatcher killed off the north? Really?
Sparky49, if you had spent hours at the Red Star Parcels office of your beloved nationalised British Rail in King's Cross as I did in the eighties before privatisation, you wouldn't be craving its return. The employees were insolent, ignorant, and lazy spending more time averting their gaze when a customer had the temerity to appear on their manor than they did actually handling parcels. This was typical of many rail employees in that industry when it belonged to the state.

Apologies to all for the repetition but the first entry didn't appear after ten minutes or so, therefore another seemed in order. Oops!

motco wrote:
Thatcher killed off the north? Really?
Sparky49, if you had spent hours at the Red Star Parcels office of your beloved nationalised British Rail in King's Cross as I did in the eighties before privatisation, you wouldn't be craving its return. The employees were insolent, ignorant, and lazy spending more time averting their gaze when a customer had the temerity to appear on their manor than they did actually handling parcels. This was typical of many rail employees in that industry when it belonged to the state.

That is down to poor management.

miccles wrote:

J B Blackett wrote:
Nothing at all to do with the drivers / travelers , please note . How inconsiderate for people to live where they live - And not only that but at the same time inconveniencing other people who live somewhere else having to driving at / around / up / over and through them. . Some people are so unhelpful - they should move somewhere else so that people who live somewhere else can drive forwards and backwards to somewhere else to live and work without any inconvenience. . These unhelpful people keep getting in the way continually of these people who want to go somewhere else all the time. . Of course another solution is for the long-term regular traveller to move somewhere else - a bit nearer to the somewhere else he/she keeps persisting in or having to go to. . That may kill several birds with one stone but I'm afraid it's one of those logical strategic stones which are in very short supply nowadays. It could save money and resources too - for everybody. . Now I'm off somewhere else but I will walk - Bye

Roads are for driving on, not parking your car on.

You've obviously not been on the M25 then.

sparky49 wrote:
Judging by the no response to my idea of re nationalising the rail industry, maybe that is the answer but most of you cant admit it because it goes against your beliefs. Come on folks forget your political beliefs, Change if needed should benefit the electorate regardless of which paty you support. HS2 is unpopular but only because it goes through a tory heartland. Was there the same uproar from the same people when the north was killed off by Thatcher? No, so don't cry now your patch is being affected. there is a world beyond the Chilterns.

Go back to the north if it holds such pride of place in your heart. By the way, your communist philosophies were demolished long before the Berlin Wall fell down. Keep dreaming - or like you say, forget your political beliefs. It ain't going to happen.

mikesmith wrote:

sparky49 wrote:
Judging by the no response to my idea of re nationalising the rail industry, maybe that is the answer but most of you cant admit it because it goes against your beliefs. Come on folks forget your political beliefs, Change if needed should benefit the electorate regardless of which paty you support. HS2 is unpopular but only because it goes through a tory heartland. Was there the same uproar from the same people when the north was killed off by Thatcher? No, so don't cry now your patch is being affected. there is a world beyond the Chilterns.

Go back to the north if it holds such pride of place in your heart. By the way, your communist philosophies were demolished long before the Berlin Wall fell down. Keep dreaming - or like you say, forget your political beliefs. It ain't going to happen.

Ah the sign of a true Tory. I'm alright screw the rest of you attitude still burns in your blue belly then. And I am not from the north actually Berks born and bred. Wait until the Undeground is privatised and fares rocket.