More schools announce strike closures (From Bucks Free Press)

Getting very bored with these whinging, whining public sector workers. As a private sector worker, the likes of myself am paying their wages as they dont bring any money into this country and so I am the customer, the customer is always right so get back to work, do your job and stop moaning!!!

Remember this time last year when we had the bad weather.
Public sector workers -
Schools closed, council offices closed at 3pm to allow workers to go home (the few workers that went into work). Bins not collected for 6 weeks.

Private sector workers -
Had to go into work as normal otherwise they didn't get paid.

well said fair!

if I didn't get into work I did not get paid! I had to walk as roads not ploughed/treated and when I rang councils for advise on issues/to follow up letters being sent, they were closed...on full pay probably because they couldn't do their own job!????

sympathy? erum none!

Excuse me whilst I interupt with some facts:

There is no seperate employment law for public sector workers. If we don't turn up for work, we don't get paid. If we do something wrong, we can be disciplined and sacked just like anyone else. When money runs out we have our pay or hours cut and are made redundant. Oh, and the bins are collected under a contract with a private sector company.

But we don't want sympathy, what we want is solidarity among the working people that make this Country great. We (the working classes) are all in this together and we need to stick together.

And if you don't see yourself as working class ask yourself how long you could keep up your mortgage payments etc if you lost your job.

I need to work to keep a roof over my head and food for my daughter. I'm working class and I'm proud.

if the Public sector workers dont like the way they are treated.
GET YOUR BACKSIDE OUT THERE AND GET A REAL JOB,
PUT UP OR SHUT UP AND DO YOUR JOB THAT YOU ARE PAID FOR

I have worked in both sectors and bottom line - you pension, your pay, your perks are as per your contract. You signed it - get used to it! Like it or lump it!

You're in the same country facing the same pressures as everyone else except the private sector don't feel the need to make things worse by holding the country to ransom!

ShopFloorSteward wrote:
Excuse me whilst I interupt with some facts: There is no seperate employment law for public sector workers. If we don't turn up for work, we don't get paid. If we do something wrong, we can be disciplined and sacked just like anyone else. When money runs out we have our pay or hours cut and are made redundant. Oh, and the bins are collected under a contract with a private sector company. But we don't want sympathy, what we want is solidarity among the working people that make this Country great. We (the working classes) are all in this together and we need to stick together. And if you don't see yourself as working class ask yourself how long you could keep up your mortgage payments etc if you lost your job. I need to work to keep a roof over my head and food for my daughter. I'm working class and I'm proud.

"we don't want sympathy"

YOU AINT GOT IT!!! You have listed exactly what the private sector workers endure but WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH IT!!! Just please STOP WHINGING and do your job!!

ArnyP_HW wrote:
I have worked in both sectors and bottom line - you pension, your pay, your perks are as per your contract. You signed it - get used to it! Like it or lump it!

You're in the same country facing the same pressures as everyone else except the private sector don't feel the need to make things worse by holding the country to ransom!

...but they are changing my contract without consulting me.

Private sector workers have the same rights to strike and pursue their employers for unfair dismissal, should they subsequently be sacked. You do not have to accept changes to your pay and conditions lying down.

On the subject of snow (just to clear up the inaccuracies) - teachers do not make the decision to close schools, headteachers and governers do. Most teachers were battling into work last year only to find the school had been closed - a complex decision that has to factor in on-site health & safety, home-school transport (run by County Council) and probably many other factors.

ps - why no stories/complaints berating the court and job centre staff, border control/customs/immi
gration officers, police support staff, NHS support staff and many others who are striking on Wednesday? Answer = because teachers are the easiest target!

bucksteacher wrote:

ArnyP_HW wrote: I have worked in both sectors and bottom line - you pension, your pay, your perks are as per your contract. You signed it - get used to it! Like it or lump it! You're in the same country facing the same pressures as everyone else except the private sector don't feel the need to make things worse by holding the country to ransom!

...but they are changing my contract without consulting me. Private sector workers have the same rights to strike and pursue their employers for unfair dismissal, should they subsequently be sacked. You do not have to accept changes to your pay and conditions lying down. On the subject of snow (just to clear up the inaccuracies) - teachers do not make the decision to close schools, headteachers and governers do. Most teachers were battling into work last year only to find the school had been closed - a complex decision that has to factor in on-site health & safety, home-school transport (run by County Council) and probably many other factors. ps - why no stories/complaints berating the court and job centre staff, border control/customs/immi gration officers, police support staff, NHS support staff and many others who are striking on Wednesday? Answer = because teachers are the easiest target!

If there is not enough money in the pot to support all you public sector workers when you all retire (lets not forget, you have not actually contributed to the actual INCOME to this country) then it is unsustainable!! What part of that DONT you understand?!! I thought you were a teacher?!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL!

chris740 wrote:
if the Public sector workers dont like the way they are treated.
GET YOUR BACKSIDE OUT THERE AND GET A REAL JOB,
PUT UP OR SHUT UP AND DO YOUR JOB THAT YOU ARE PAID FOR

so nurses, doctors, fireworkers, police,paramedics...
.
They are not real jobs.

OHHH I see.
Thanks for clearing that up.

tigeran wrote:

bucksteacher wrote:

ArnyP_HW wrote: I have worked in both sectors and bottom line - you pension, your pay, your perks are as per your contract. You signed it - get used to it! Like it or lump it! You're in the same country facing the same pressures as everyone else except the private sector don't feel the need to make things worse by holding the country to ransom!

...but they are changing my contract without consulting me. Private sector workers have the same rights to strike and pursue their employers for unfair dismissal, should they subsequently be sacked. You do not have to accept changes to your pay and conditions lying down. On the subject of snow (just to clear up the inaccuracies) - teachers do not make the decision to close schools, headteachers and governers do. Most teachers were battling into work last year only to find the school had been closed - a complex decision that has to factor in on-site health & safety, home-school transport (run by County Council) and probably many other factors. ps - why no stories/complaints berating the court and job centre staff, border control/customs/immi gration officers, police support staff, NHS support staff and many others who are striking on Wednesday? Answer = because teachers are the easiest target!

If there is not enough money in the pot to support all you public sector workers when you all retire (lets not forget, you have not actually contributed to the actual INCOME to this country) then it is unsustainable!! What part of that DONT you understand?!! I thought you were a teacher?!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL!

Why do you have to be so aggressive?

Maybe public sector workers do not contribute to the wealth of the country but we would all look a little bit silly without them as they do a vital service.

demoness the second - thanks for the support!

tigeran...

1) Teachers contribute to the income of the country through every pupil that goes on to work in the country.

2) There is enough money in the teacher's pension pot. If you bother to read some facts on this you would find that in 2008 the Teachers Pension Scheme was deemed sustainable. Our unions have been asking the government for a re-valuation since negotiations with the coalition began, but they refuse to provide this.

As mentioned before, I would not begin to question your personal pay/terms/conditions without fully understanding them first, so why do you feel qualified to question mine?

because I don't strike and cost you a days lost work when something goes wrong with mine!!

ArnyP_HW wrote:
I have worked in both sectors and bottom line - you pension, your pay, your perks are as per your contract. You signed it - get used to it! Like it or lump it! You're in the same country facing the same pressures as everyone else except the private sector don't feel the need to make things worse by holding the country to ransom!

"You signed it - get used to it! Like it or lump it!"

Arny_P - that's exactly the point, we signed a contract which our employers are now breaking.

bucksteacher wrote:
demoness the second - thanks for the support! tigeran... 1) Teachers contribute to the income of the country through every pupil that goes on to work in the country. 2) There is enough money in the teacher's pension pot. If you bother to read some facts on this you would find that in 2008 the Teachers Pension Scheme was deemed sustainable. Our unions have been asking the government for a re-valuation since negotiations with the coalition began, but they refuse to provide this. As mentioned before, I would not begin to question your personal pay/terms/conditions without fully understanding them first, so why do you feel qualified to question mine?

Can we try to see the bigger picture here? You keep harping on about teachers this and teachers that, there are far more public sector workers out there than just you teachers that will be cashing in on a pension funded by the private sector workers or had you not realised that?!! You are just the tip of th iceberg!!! I give up! with such a narrow minded view on things no wonder this country is in such a mess, and from a teacher?!!!!

tigeran wrote:

bucksteacher wrote:
demoness the second - thanks for the support! tigeran... 1) Teachers contribute to the income of the country through every pupil that goes on to work in the country. 2) There is enough money in the teacher's pension pot. If you bother to read some facts on this you would find that in 2008 the Teachers Pension Scheme was deemed sustainable. Our unions have been asking the government for a re-valuation since negotiations with the coalition began, but they refuse to provide this. As mentioned before, I would not begin to question your personal pay/terms/conditions without fully understanding them first, so why do you feel qualified to question mine?

Can we try to see the bigger picture here? You keep harping on about teachers this and teachers that, there are far more public sector workers out there than just you teachers that will be cashing in on a pension funded by the private sector workers or had you not realised that?!! You are just the tip of th iceberg!!! I give up! with such a narrow minded view on things no wonder this country is in such a mess, and from a teacher?!!!!

You are calling someone narrow minded???

Pot, kettle, black springs to mind.. :)))

demoness the second wrote:

tigeran wrote:

bucksteacher wrote: demoness the second - thanks for the support! tigeran... 1) Teachers contribute to the income of the country through every pupil that goes on to work in the country. 2) There is enough money in the teacher's pension pot. If you bother to read some facts on this you would find that in 2008 the Teachers Pension Scheme was deemed sustainable. Our unions have been asking the government for a re-valuation since negotiations with the coalition began, but they refuse to provide this. As mentioned before, I would not begin to question your personal pay/terms/conditions without fully understanding them first, so why do you feel qualified to question mine?

Can we try to see the bigger picture here? You keep harping on about teachers this and teachers that, there are far more public sector workers out there than just you teachers that will be cashing in on a pension funded by the private sector workers or had you not realised that?!! You are just the tip of th iceberg!!! I give up! with such a narrow minded view on things no wonder this country is in such a mess, and from a teacher?!!!!

You are calling someone narrow minded??? Pot, kettle, black springs to mind.. :)))

AH!! I see the ever present ex public sector and loving it Demoness has raised herself out of her slumber!!

Oh and it is thanks to teachers that you poor beleagued private sector workers have got jobs because presumerably you would have gone to school once, learnt to read, learnt to add up and take away, got qualifications that you could use towards getting a job.

So really perhaps you should be thanking them. :))
Ever heard of that expression.
"If you can read this, thank a teacher?"

Unless of course you all went to private school in which case of course you would have been taught by a non public sector worker.
But wait.... wouldn't they have been taught somewhere?

Oh it's a real conundrum for us all :))

tigeran wrote:

demoness the second wrote:

tigeran wrote:

bucksteacher wrote: demoness the second - thanks for the support! tigeran... 1) Teachers contribute to the income of the country through every pupil that goes on to work in the country. 2) There is enough money in the teacher's pension pot. If you bother to read some facts on this you would find that in 2008 the Teachers Pension Scheme was deemed sustainable. Our unions have been asking the government for a re-valuation since negotiations with the coalition began, but they refuse to provide this. As mentioned before, I would not begin to question your personal pay/terms/conditions without fully understanding them first, so why do you feel qualified to question mine?

Can we try to see the bigger picture here? You keep harping on about teachers this and teachers that, there are far more public sector workers out there than just you teachers that will be cashing in on a pension funded by the private sector workers or had you not realised that?!! You are just the tip of th iceberg!!! I give up! with such a narrow minded view on things no wonder this country is in such a mess, and from a teacher?!!!!

You are calling someone narrow minded??? Pot, kettle, black springs to mind.. :)))

AH!! I see the ever present ex public sector and loving it Demoness has raised herself out of her slumber!!

awww bless you Tigeran - but I do have a point do I not?

demoness the second wrote:

tigeran wrote:

demoness the second wrote:

tigeran wrote:

bucksteacher wrote: demoness the second - thanks for the support! tigeran... 1) Teachers contribute to the income of the country through every pupil that goes on to work in the country. 2) There is enough money in the teacher's pension pot. If you bother to read some facts on this you would find that in 2008 the Teachers Pension Scheme was deemed sustainable. Our unions have been asking the government for a re-valuation since negotiations with the coalition began, but they refuse to provide this. As mentioned before, I would not begin to question your personal pay/terms/conditions without fully understanding them first, so why do you feel qualified to question mine?

Can we try to see the bigger picture here? You keep harping on about teachers this and teachers that, there are far more public sector workers out there than just you teachers that will be cashing in on a pension funded by the private sector workers or had you not realised that?!! You are just the tip of th iceberg!!! I give up! with such a narrow minded view on things no wonder this country is in such a mess, and from a teacher?!!!!

You are calling someone narrow minded??? Pot, kettle, black springs to mind.. :)))

AH!! I see the ever present ex public sector and loving it Demoness has raised herself out of her slumber!!

awww bless you Tigeran - but I do have a point do I not?

Yes, but so do I!! Its the chicken and egg thing eh?!! Think about it! Oh and you are STILL only concidering teachers. The narrow mindedness is contagious!!!

we have JUST been notified of whether our school is open, closed or partially closed tomorrow - TWO classes are closed with not much notice....thankfully not my childrens classes - and I work in the public sector and WILL BE AT WORK TOMORROW!!!!!!!

tigeran wrote:

demoness the second wrote:

tigeran wrote:

demoness the second wrote:

tigeran wrote:

bucksteacher wrote: demoness the second - thanks for the support! tigeran... 1) Teachers contribute to the income of the country through every pupil that goes on to work in the country. 2) There is enough money in the teacher's pension pot. If you bother to read some facts on this you would find that in 2008 the Teachers Pension Scheme was deemed sustainable. Our unions have been asking the government for a re-valuation since negotiations with the coalition began, but they refuse to provide this. As mentioned before, I would not begin to question your personal pay/terms/conditions without fully understanding them first, so why do you feel qualified to question mine?

Can we try to see the bigger picture here? You keep harping on about teachers this and teachers that, there are far more public sector workers out there than just you teachers that will be cashing in on a pension funded by the private sector workers or had you not realised that?!! You are just the tip of th iceberg!!! I give up! with such a narrow minded view on things no wonder this country is in such a mess, and from a teacher?!!!!

You are calling someone narrow minded??? Pot, kettle, black springs to mind.. :)))

AH!! I see the ever present ex public sector and loving it Demoness has raised herself out of her slumber!!

awww bless you Tigeran - but I do have a point do I not?

Yes, but so do I!! Its the chicken and egg thing eh?!! Think about it! Oh and you are STILL only concidering teachers. The narrow mindedness is contagious!!!

Ok, how about the doctors and nurses that keep me alive to continue paying huge amounts of tax (and earning export revenue).

Or the police that stop me getting murdered. Or the fire brigade that stop me getting burned to death.

I could go on... Its not just about teachers.

All these people contribute to my personal economy and hence to that of the country.

tom.marlow2 wrote:

tigeran wrote:

demoness the second wrote:

tigeran wrote:

demoness the second wrote:

tigeran wrote:

bucksteacher wrote: demoness the second - thanks for the support! tigeran... 1) Teachers contribute to the income of the country through every pupil that goes on to work in the country. 2) There is enough money in the teacher's pension pot. If you bother to read some facts on this you would find that in 2008 the Teachers Pension Scheme was deemed sustainable. Our unions have been asking the government for a re-valuation since negotiations with the coalition began, but they refuse to provide this. As mentioned before, I would not begin to question your personal pay/terms/conditions without fully understanding them first, so why do you feel qualified to question mine?

Can we try to see the bigger picture here? You keep harping on about teachers this and teachers that, there are far more public sector workers out there than just you teachers that will be cashing in on a pension funded by the private sector workers or had you not realised that?!! You are just the tip of th iceberg!!! I give up! with such a narrow minded view on things no wonder this country is in such a mess, and from a teacher?!!!!

You are calling someone narrow minded??? Pot, kettle, black springs to mind.. :)))

AH!! I see the ever present ex public sector and loving it Demoness has raised herself out of her slumber!!

awww bless you Tigeran - but I do have a point do I not?

Yes, but so do I!! Its the chicken and egg thing eh?!! Think about it! Oh and you are STILL only concidering teachers. The narrow mindedness is contagious!!!

Ok, how about the doctors and nurses that keep me alive to continue paying huge amounts of tax (and earning export revenue). Or the police that stop me getting murdered. Or the fire brigade that stop me getting burned to death. I could go on... Its not just about teachers. All these people contribute to my personal economy and hence to that of the country.

Oh dear. another one who cant see past their nose................
....

Ahh so this is where the argument is, I wondered why it was so quiet on the original report, *draws breath and flexes fingers*

tigeran wrote:

bucksteacher wrote:

ArnyP_HW wrote: I have worked in both sectors and bottom line - you pension, your pay, your perks are as per your contract. You signed it - get used to it! Like it or lump it! You're in the same country facing the same pressures as everyone else except the private sector don't feel the need to make things worse by holding the country to ransom!

...but they are changing my contract without consulting me. Private sector workers have the same rights to strike and pursue their employers for unfair dismissal, should they subsequently be sacked. You do not have to accept changes to your pay and conditions lying down. On the subject of snow (just to clear up the inaccuracies) - teachers do not make the decision to close schools, headteachers and governers do. Most teachers were battling into work last year only to find the school had been closed - a complex decision that has to factor in on-site health & safety, home-school transport (run by County Council) and probably many other factors. ps - why no stories/complaints berating the court and job centre staff, border control/customs/immi gration officers, police support staff, NHS support staff and many others who are striking on Wednesday? Answer = because teachers are the easiest target!

If there is not enough money in the pot to support all you public sector workers when you all retire (lets not forget, you have not actually contributed to the actual INCOME to this country) then it is unsustainable!! What part of that DONT you understand?!! I thought you were a teacher?!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL!

Let's just blow that myth out of the water shall we?
Currently the nhs scheme brings in £2bn more in contributions than goes out in payments,under the deal negotiated in 2008, it will continue to make a profit for another 21 years.Why do you think this government is so keen to get their hands on this money?Bail out anyone?
The average pension for a public sector worker is £7800 p/a.Even if you add that onto the state pension it's still hardly a kings ransom.
This was a contract agreed in 2008, and now the govt. are going back on their word, if you are in the private sector there are various courses of action you can take if your employer breaks their side of a contract, public sector employees are a bit limited.
These are the people who look after our children, our sick, our infirm. I don't have private health insurance and may end up relying on them in my dotage, as we all might.
Can you imagine, if the govt's proposals go through,the prospect of a 68 year old paramedic, lifting an overweight patient down some stairs.
We do not value our public workers highly enough, expecting them to work at a rate below the industry average, because they should regard their job as a 'vocation'.
But the saddest thing about all of this is that it is all playing the 'politics of envy'.

Dear Teachers,

Stop moaning and get back to work.

Kind regards,

Everyone Else esq.

tigeran...

You suggest I am narrow-minded by focusing on teachers. Take a look at the headline on this and other articles - the journos have elected to focus their story on teachers (as always) and my comments relate to my own personal experience which is... teaching!

The difference is that you seem to think you are qualified to spout forth about issues that you have no direct experience with.

I wouldn't begin to question whether your terms/conditions and pay are fair for the job you do, so what qualifies you to do this for mine?

To pre-empt your answer, yes I know that as a tax payer you 'pay my wages' (I'm a tax payer too). I educate your children in return. You do not have an automatic right to make decisions about my terms/conditions and pay.

marlow678 wrote:
Dear Teachers,

Stop moaning and get back to work.

Kind regards,

Everyone Else esq.

Dear Marlow678,

Thank you for that well reasoned and intelligent reply,

Yours sincerely,
etc.

Public workers serve the public and do not go on strike! What a terrible example from teachers to their pupils - no wonder there are so many complaints from business about low educational standards from school leavers. Perhaps it's time for teachers to actually raise standards of their pupils and not spend time complaining about their "terrible" time in the classroom. Teachers can leave if they hate teaching and join the private sector then they would know about poor pensions that over 50% of the workforce endure.

bucksteacher wrote:
tigeran...

You suggest I am narrow-minded by focusing on teachers. Take a look at the headline on this and other articles - the journos have elected to focus their story on teachers (as always) and my comments relate to my own personal experience which is... teaching!

The difference is that you seem to think you are qualified to spout forth about issues that you have no direct experience with.

I wouldn't begin to question whether your terms/conditions and pay are fair for the job you do, so what qualifies you to do this for mine?

To pre-empt your answer, yes I know that as a tax payer you 'pay my wages' (I'm a tax payer too). I educate your children in return. You do not have an automatic right to make decisions about my terms/conditions and pay.

You seem to forget you are answerable to the public - they pay your salary and generous (compared to the private sector) pensions and conditions. If you do not like it you are free to change employment. Professionals do not blackmail governments, harm the people they profess to serve or go on strike.

marlow678 wrote:
Dear Teachers, Stop moaning and get back to work. Kind regards, Everyone Else esq.

Everyone else except me, that would be, then; thanks.

piran wrote:

bucksteacher wrote: tigeran... You suggest I am narrow-minded by focusing on teachers. Take a look at the headline on this and other articles - the journos have elected to focus their story on teachers (as always) and my comments relate to my own personal experience which is... teaching! The difference is that you seem to think you are qualified to spout forth about issues that you have no direct experience with. I wouldn't begin to question whether your terms/conditions and pay are fair for the job you do, so what qualifies you to do this for mine? To pre-empt your answer, yes I know that as a tax payer you 'pay my wages' (I'm a tax payer too). I educate your children in return. You do not have an automatic right to make decisions about my terms/conditions and pay.

You seem to forget you are answerable to the public - they pay your salary and generous (compared to the private sector) pensions and conditions. If you do not like it you are free to change employment. Professionals do not blackmail governments, harm the people they profess to serve or go on strike.

Governments would do well not to blackmail professionals, or harm the people they profess to serve... Let`s not hold our breath, eh?

dtap wrote:

piran wrote:

bucksteacher wrote: tigeran... You suggest I am narrow-minded by focusing on teachers. Take a look at the headline on this and other articles - the journos have elected to focus their story on teachers (as always) and my comments relate to my own personal experience which is... teaching! The difference is that you seem to think you are qualified to spout forth about issues that you have no direct experience with. I wouldn't begin to question whether your terms/conditions and pay are fair for the job you do, so what qualifies you to do this for mine? To pre-empt your answer, yes I know that as a tax payer you 'pay my wages' (I'm a tax payer too). I educate your children in return. You do not have an automatic right to make decisions about my terms/conditions and pay.

You seem to forget you are answerable to the public - they pay your salary and generous (compared to the private sector) pensions and conditions. If you do not like it you are free to change employment. Professionals do not blackmail governments, harm the people they profess to serve or go on strike.

Governments would do well not to blackmail professionals, or harm the people they profess to serve... Let`s not hold our breath, eh?

Stop complaining because you are free to change employment. You are not a professional because you have gone on strike.