Local Tories: give Cameron the keys to No10 (From Bucks Free Press)

Unfortunatley even though Concervatives have the majority votes, this crazy system will allow that power crazed, egotistical maniac Gordon Brown to potentially stay in power!! We all know this menace will NEVER relinquish power willingly and will only ever step down when he is dragged away!! He will continue to dillude himself that he is still popular and in his own mind Gordon 'Communist' Brown will still be the all powerfull emperor!! God help us!!

why let a man who has no policies, loves the sound of his own voice and wants to have the hunting ban overturned you must be MAD.

chesham20 wrote:
why let a man who has no policies, loves the sound of his own voice and wants to have the hunting ban overturned you must be MAD.

Tell the 304 constituencies who voted for him that.:)

chesham20 wrote:
why let a man who has no policies, loves the sound of his own voice and wants to have the hunting ban overturned you must be MAD.

I have looked through his policy a few times, i can not find this hunting thing..... but there again I had no problem with hunting as it has been around for so many years, we now have to many foxes.... I keep swerving for them in the car... but still keep missing :)

Hmm... there's still something I don't like about David Cameron, and I can't out my finger on it. I think it may be his "I went to Eton but I'll pretend I went to a comprehensive" attitude". And I certainly resent a man like Steven Baker swanning down here from Oxfordshire and getting this seat just because he has the Conservative Party backing him. Then again, the conservative candidate could be Mr Blobby and they'd still get in. Politics... I'd rather be Sir Humphrey than Hacker any day.

OllieNewbury wrote:
Hmm... there's still something I don't like about David Cameron, and I can't out my finger on it. I think it may be his "I went to Eton but I'll pretend I went to a comprehensive" attitude". And I certainly resent a man like Steven Baker swanning down here from Oxfordshire and getting this seat just because he has the Conservative Party backing him. Then again, the conservative candidate could be Mr Blobby and they'd still get in. Politics... I'd rather be Sir Humphrey than Hacker any day.

No worse than Cleggy who had a very privileged background and yet pretends he is such a man of the people.:)

Surely not "reigns" of power.

Do get a proof reader BFP

tigeran - the Tories do not have a majority of the votes nor a majority of seats, so it's unclear as to why a party supported by only 36% of voters and which has failed to win the election by even one seat, has any more legitimacy to govern than a Lab/Lib Dem partnership.

This whole school/education background thing is so annoying. Do you think Cameron had any choice whether he was sent to Eton or not? FFS its one of the best schools in the country, what is wrong with that? His parents wanted the best for their child, like most other good parents. Blair and Brown went to Fettes, another one of the best schools, do we moan about that? Oh no, they get a free pass for some reason. Just because people have accents means f-all. If it matters then why are we voting in bl00dy Scottish accented people all the time??!! (OK, Blair sounds like a Southern ponce too).
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and breathe.... :-)

Slimster
it's not where he went to school that's the problem, it's his policies.

"SENIOR Buckinghamshire Conservatives today said Tory leader David Cameron must be allowed to seize the reigns of power."

It's 'reins', not 'reigns'. Does nobody check spelling?

Why am I paying for your third home? wrote:
tigeran - the Tories do not have a majority of the votes nor a majority of seats, so it's unclear as to why a party supported by only 36% of voters and which has failed to win the election by even one seat, has any more legitimacy to govern than a Lab/Lib Dem partnership.

They have the most seats and the MOST individual votes, MORE than any other party, can you please explaine how if this is the case, they have not beaten the others? Yes I understand they have less than 50% of the total votes but still MORE than any other one. are you suggesting that democracy can only be had if ONE party has MORE than 50% of ALL votes?!! Ridiculous!!

Slimster wrote:
This whole school/education background thing is so annoying. Do you think Cameron had any choice whether he was sent to Eton or not? FFS its one of the best schools in the country, what is wrong with that? His parents wanted the best for their child, like most other good parents. Blair and Brown went to Fettes, another one of the best schools, do we moan about that? Oh no, they get a free pass for some reason. Just because people have accents means f-all. If it matters then why are we voting in bl00dy Scottish accented people all the time??!! (OK, Blair sounds like a Southern ponce too). + and breathe.... :-)

I know exactly what you mean - Clegg went to a private school in Bucks, then the Westminster school then Cambridge. No blinkin different from Cameron but he is considered more down to earth .
I don't give two hoots about where any of them were educated - as long as they are educated lol.

**** shame that Goodman stood down, he was somone who I could vote for.

wayneo wrote:
**** shame that Goodman stood down, he was somone who I could vote for.

I agree Wayneo. I met him a couple of times - decent fella.
It irks me that Baker got in around here with very little effort. I am glad I did not have that decision to make. :)

torys have had 13yrs to get this right a gov no one wants or likes, finances in disarray unemployment up, and yet you still cant be trusted to run the country.You see people still remember thatcher and no matter how you dress it up the apple never falls far from the tree!

So David Cameron says that Labour and Gordon Brown 'don't have the mandate to govern'. Thats a bit of a case of pot and kettle!! The Conservatives did not reach the majority needed to form a governement - therefore that must mean they don't have the 'mandate to govern' either.

It's utter rubbish that Labour were a disaster for 13 years (I say this as someone that doesn't vote for them). If they were how did they win by a landslide for a second time in 2001, then win again in 2005 despite a very unpopular war? They couldn't have been that bad to remain in power. The last term hasn't been good (including a global recession largely caused by US banks), but let's not kid ourselves that they have been any worse than the Tories they soundly beat in 1997.

Every time Cameron and co state how bad Labour have been, it does make me question just how bad they are themselves if despite the supposed disaster that Labour are, the Tories still couldn't win the election (they won more seats but under the current rules must have a majority to have won the election).

I believe the rules state that as the sitting government Labour have the right to try and form a new government first. The Tories can't change the rules to suit themselves now so have no right to demand the keys to number 10. Personally I think a Tory/Lib Dem coalition could have good potential for the country. The Lib Dems would hopefully curb the worst tendencies of a Tory party in power. I want to see Clegg insist on at least a referendum offering electoral reform so that in future a party receives seats in proportion to their share of the vote, not the ridiculous system we have now.

I'm just distraught. We've had the Tories controlling us for 55 years, and I'm fed up with it. Can we please just get some proportional representation in this country and end the Tory safe-seats?

I just worry for the elderly. I hope whoever forms this next government does not sell them down the river.

PuchowskiJK wrote:
I'm just distraught. We've had the Tories controlling us for 55 years, and I'm fed up with it. Can we please just get some proportional representation in this country and end the Tory safe-seats?

I agree. This current electoral system just doesn't work. Take a constituency of 100,000. Say the electorate has a population of 60,000. Now only 40,000 of them bother to vote. And 45% of them vote Tory (the majority). That means 100,000 people are represented in parliament by a man voted for by only 18,000 (18%). That's not fair, and that's not democracy.

OllieNewbury wrote:

PuchowskiJK wrote: I'm just distraught. We've had the Tories controlling us for 55 years, and I'm fed up with it. Can we please just get some proportional representation in this country and end the Tory safe-seats?

I agree. This current electoral system just doesn't work. Take a constituency of 100,000. Say the electorate has a population of 60,000. Now only 40,000 of them bother to vote. And 45% of them vote Tory (the majority). That means 100,000 people are represented in parliament by a man voted for by only 18,000 (18%). That's not fair, and that's not democracy.

Then can I suggest that the other 20,000 of them get off their arses and vote?
It is perfectly fair if people can't be bothered then they shouldn't be upset if they do not feel represented.

demoness wrote:

OllieNewbury wrote:

PuchowskiJK wrote: I'm just distraught. We've had the Tories controlling us for 55 years, and I'm fed up with it. Can we please just get some proportional representation in this country and end the Tory safe-seats?

I agree. This current electoral system just doesn't work. Take a constituency of 100,000. Say the electorate has a population of 60,000. Now only 40,000 of them bother to vote. And 45% of them vote Tory (the majority). That means 100,000 people are represented in parliament by a man voted for by only 18,000 (18%). That's not fair, and that's not democracy.

Then can I suggest that the other 20,000 of them get off their arses and vote?
It is perfectly fair if people can't be bothered then they shouldn't be upset if they do not feel represented.

Yes that's true, but it still doesn't address the basic point that a "minority" of voters, called the majority dictates who represents the rest of us.
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Maybe next election every candidate standing should do so as an independent. No more backing from the party machine. Interesting to see what would happen in a safe Tory seat such as Wycombe.

PuchowskiJK wrote:
I'm just distraught. We've had the Tories controlling us for 55 years, and I'm fed up with it. Can we please just get some proportional representation in this country and end the Tory safe-seats?

I do it all right. I look forward to the election with my big white card, cycle there early with my big white card unfolded in my big inside poachers pocket. Line up and work out the desk my number needs me to be in.Pass the interrogation of where I live and finally arrive at that cube of privacy,that intimate nation changing area.My word I did not realise how many were running for my vote,and worse how many addressess are from London. The dust flys from my pencil as I lay those 2 lines in one box and withdraw like a man that has just come out of the toilet with his fly undone.Card in hand I go forward and slide my country changing vote into the vent that awaits me as those still in the queue look on.Finally I leave and back to my saddle to cycle home.Thinking what a wasted vote that was around these parts.But I stayed with my belief and I hope one day the THE GINGER HEADED KNOMES ARE NOT A MINORITY PARTY get a voice

Clegg must not let the Tories railroad him, they do not want electorial change, of those who voted, 64% DID NOT want the Conservatives and they say we live in a democracy.

M40 wrote:
Clegg must not let the Tories railroad him, they do not want electorial change, of those who voted, 64% DID NOT want the Conservatives and they say we live in a democracy.

Well said.

Lillymoe wrote:

chesham20 wrote: why let a man who has no policies, loves the sound of his own voice and wants to have the hunting ban overturned you must be MAD.

I have looked through his policy a few times, i can not find this hunting thing..... but there again I had no problem with hunting as it has been around for so many years, we now have to many foxes.... I keep swerving for them in the car... but still keep missing :)

Lillymoe, its on the Conservatives own website, "That is why David Cameron has said that, if we are elected, we will give Parliament the opportunity to repeal the Hunting Act on a free vote". It was kept quiet as the Tories know that with 75% of the population against hunting with dogs it would be a vote looser. You may think its ok and enjoy swerving for animals in the roads, but you are a minority.

gutterheart wrote:

Lillymoe wrote:

chesham20 wrote: why let a man who has no policies, loves the sound of his own voice and wants to have the hunting ban overturned you must be MAD.

I have looked through his policy a few times, i can not find this hunting thing..... but there again I had no problem with hunting as it has been around for so many years, we now have to many foxes.... I keep swerving for them in the car... but still keep missing :)

Lillymoe, its on the Conservatives own website, "That is why David Cameron has said that, if we are elected, we will give Parliament the opportunity to repeal the Hunting Act on a free vote". It was kept quiet as the Tories know that with 75% of the population against hunting with dogs it would be a vote looser. You may think its ok and enjoy swerving for animals in the roads, but you are a minority.

I agree. Perhaps you meant it as a joke Lilymoe because I do not understand how anyone would deliberately hurt or maim an animal for fun..
Oh wait a minute... hmmm hunting.

OllieNewbury wrote:

M40 wrote:
Clegg must not let the Tories railroad him, they do not want electorial change, of those who voted, 64% DID NOT want the Conservatives and they say we live in a democracy.

Well said.

Well said
Listen Well Clegg
electoral reform NOW is critical to any agreement you make with Labour or Tories
If we go to polls again it must be under PR
THE PEOPLE GAVE U THE CHANCE WITH A HUNG PARLIAMENT DONT BLOW IT

BAKER--
Welcome to High Wycombe -- now speak out against Clarke ,Green and the local Tories about the disgusting way they treat the residents of the district

Astonishing - ‘SENIOR Buckinghamshire Conservatives today said Tory leader David Cameron must be allowed to seize the reigns of power … Conservatives held onto Wycombe, Beaconsfield, Chesham and Amersham.’

Surely Oliver Evans has allowed the attraction of the dramatic-sounding verb ‘seize’ to alter the situation – what he means is that Brown should relinquish those reins (‘reins’ without a ‘g’). Perhaps Oliver was jet-lagged after being up all night watching the votes being counted.


‘Gordon Brown – still Prime Minister – said he would allow the Conservatives to talk with Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg.’ Surely Brown has made no comment as he can’t stop them chatting.

New Labour and old Eton - do I hear the words 'plague and pestilence' somewhere?

ferrellcat wrote:
torys have had 13yrs to get this right a gov no one wants or likes, finances in disarray unemployment up, and yet you still cant be trusted to run the country.You see people still remember thatcher and no matter how you dress it up the apple never falls far from the tree!

Mrs Thatcher, had to make tough choices because of the financial mess that the last Labour Government left us; her legacy was one of growth, hard-work bring rewards and of a pension pot that was the envy of the world. It went downhill with that moron John Major and of course with Labour's gross neglect on top, have left our Great Children with a legacy that will shame our generation.

Still, as long as our politicians are running through paper banners, building footbal stadiums for multi-millionaires who cares about the peasants.

The Thatcher era saw ASSET STRIPPING, profitable firms were closed down for the quick buck returned by developing the land they stood on for PRIVATE HOUSING whilst Council stock was sold off to fill the Tories black hole, our industry moved abroad for cheap labour financed from the great profits made selling out the nation for personal gain, the same Thatcherites financed Polish Coal so our mines could not compete on a level playing field, the Tories were the enemy within and still are and always will be, to think I voted for them in the distant past. You only have to track cheap imports, Indonesia, Taiwan, Singapore, India now China, capitalists will always have a port of call, where next? these vultures don't care who they harm for personal gain, the ordinary people in this country (like me) have never gained from the Conservatives but social change introduced by Labour has been the only respite to help many, before someone mentions social benefits, I have always been in full employment, never received social benefits and own my own home, I am fortunate to have no debt but I am aware of the hardship experienced by many, relieved only by those benefits and services made available solely from Labour governments. When Cameron was posturing during his campaign signing a schools Olympic pledge he didn't realise that the electorate saw the farcical side to it when it was John Major's Tory regime that sold off the school playing fields to fill yet another Tory black hole.
When will the Nation wake up and realise "Tory is bad for your health".

M40 wrote:
The Thatcher era saw ASSET STRIPPING, profitable firms were closed down for the quick buck returned by developing the land they stood on for PRIVATE HOUSING whilst Council stock was sold off to fill the Tories black hole, our industry moved abroad for cheap labour financed from the great profits made selling out the nation for personal gain, the same Thatcherites financed Polish Coal so our mines could not compete on a level playing field, the Tories were the enemy within and still are and always will be, to think I voted for them in the distant past. You only have to track cheap imports, Indonesia, Taiwan, Singapore, India now China, capitalists will always have a port of call, where next? these vultures don't care who they harm for personal gain, the ordinary people in this country (like me) have never gained from the Conservatives but social change introduced by Labour has been the only respite to help many, before someone mentions social benefits, I have always been in full employment, never received social benefits and own my own home, I am fortunate to have no debt but I am aware of the hardship experienced by many, relieved only by those benefits and services made available solely from Labour governments. When Cameron was posturing during his campaign signing a schools Olympic pledge he didn't realise that the electorate saw the farcical side to it when it was John Major's Tory regime that sold off the school playing fields to fill yet another Tory black hole. When will the Nation wake up and realise "Tory is bad for your health".

AKA WDC

M40, I agree with you points about John Major however I'm afraid you are out of touch with regards to Margaret Thatcher, the miner unions were holding the country to ransom, Mrs Thatcher had no other option than to break the Unions and much of what she did has serves us well today.

Much of the manufacturing have closed or moved abroad because we are unable to compete using our own labour. Unions, health & safety, red tape and high business taxes along with closed markets have seen to it that employment costs are unsustainable in this country which is why it is cheaper to import from Asia.

I've no truc with any of the main parties but the collapse of our economy is firmly with the Nu Labour camp i'm afraid, to inherit from such a surplus to fall to the state we are in today is no fault of the previous administration, to suggest otherwise is mischief making and that's being kind.

wayneo wrote:
M40, I agree with you points about John Major however I'm afraid you are out of touch with regards to Margaret Thatcher, the miner unions were holding the country to ransom, Mrs Thatcher had no other option than to break the Unions and much of what she did has serves us well today. Much of the manufacturing have closed or moved abroad because we are unable to compete using our own labour. Unions, health & safety, red tape and high business taxes along with closed markets have seen to it that employment costs are unsustainable in this country which is why it is cheaper to import from Asia. I've no truc with any of the main parties but the collapse of our economy is firmly with the Nu Labour camp i'm afraid, to inherit from such a surplus to fall to the state we are in today is no fault of the previous administration, to suggest otherwise is mischief making and that's being kind.

The asset stripping had already been done by 1997. The cash had already disappeared into the tax havens by then along with the bulk of the revenue from gas and oil in the north sea.
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By then she'd also persuaded us to let Cameron's old etonian buddies to look after our pension funds, and because she'd sold all the council houses we've been forced to take on massive debt in order to keep a roof over our heads.
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The only good thing is that the old witch is now too gaga to be able to revel in what she achieved.
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I'm afraid the present generation of tories have got a lot of work to do if they want to get over that.
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Wayneo may have forgotten, but many of us have not.

Why don't the local Conservatives understand the political coventions in Britain?
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Have they been out of power so long that they have forgotten?
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It is not over until the fat lady sings.
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In this case, until the Prime Minister resigns.

The knives are out for Cameron's HEAD in the Conservative party, the rumblings have begun to get rid of him because he was not NASTY enough leading up to the election, David Cameron is being blamed by his own party colleagues for not securing an overall majority.
HE COULD BE ON THE WAY OUT before sitting where Gordon Brown is now.
When the Conservatives mentioned the hunting bill on their website, I bet David Cameron didn't think he would be the hunted.

PuchowskiJK wrote:
I'm just distraught. We've had the Tories controlling us for 55 years, and I'm fed up with it. Can we please just get some proportional representation in this country and end the Tory safe-seats?

And you are english? count yourself lucky you can vote.

tigeran wrote:

PuchowskiJK wrote:
I'm just distraught. We've had the Tories controlling us for 55 years, and I'm fed up with it. Can we please just get some proportional representation in this country and end the Tory safe-seats?

And you are english? count yourself lucky you can vote.

Lucky to vote !!
In a Tory save seat live Wycombe we need PR -- we have now got Baker -- A Cameron chosen one who is in the back pocket of Clarke!!

Im waiting to see if Baker will speak out against Clarke and Green and the disgusting way they are managing Wycombe council !!

Like I've said before we are all CON/DEMd !!

Bakersfolly wrote:

tigeran wrote:

PuchowskiJK wrote: I'm just distraught. We've had the Tories controlling us for 55 years, and I'm fed up with it. Can we please just get some proportional representation in this country and end the Tory safe-seats?

And you are english? count yourself lucky you can vote.

Lucky to vote !! In a Tory save seat live Wycombe we need PR -- we have now got Baker -- A Cameron chosen one who is in the back pocket of Clarke!! Im waiting to see if Baker will speak out against Clarke and Green and the disgusting way they are managing Wycombe council !!

Don't hold your breath whilst waiting, it could be fatal.

demoness wrote:

gutterheart wrote:

Lillymoe wrote:

chesham20 wrote: why let a man who has no policies, loves the sound of his own voice and wants to have the hunting ban overturned you must be MAD.

I have looked through his policy a few times, i can not find this hunting thing..... but there again I had no problem with hunting as it has been around for so many years, we now have to many foxes.... I keep swerving for them in the car... but still keep missing :)

Lillymoe, its on the Conservatives own website, "That is why David Cameron has said that, if we are elected, we will give Parliament the opportunity to repeal the Hunting Act on a free vote". It was kept quiet as the Tories know that with 75% of the population against hunting with dogs it would be a vote looser. You may think its ok and enjoy swerving for animals in the roads, but you are a minority.

I agree. Perhaps you meant it as a joke Lilymoe because I do not understand how anyone would deliberately hurt or maim an animal for fun.. Oh wait a minute... hmmm hunting.

Well done Demoness one point to you... you could see through my sarcastic joke, Gutterheart, disapointed with your comment you should never assume as you make an a** of yourself.

gutterheart wrote:

Lillymoe wrote:

chesham20 wrote: why let a man who has no policies, loves the sound of his own voice and wants to have the hunting ban overturned you must be MAD.

I have looked through his policy a few times, i can not find this hunting thing..... but there again I had no problem with hunting as it has been around for so many years, we now have to many foxes.... I keep swerving for them in the car... but still keep missing :)

Lillymoe, its on the Conservatives own website, "That is why David Cameron has said that, if we are elected, we will give Parliament the opportunity to repeal the Hunting Act on a free vote". It was kept quiet as the Tories know that with 75% of the population against hunting with dogs it would be a vote looser. You may think its ok and enjoy swerving for animals in the roads, but you are a minority.

"It was kept quiet as the Tories know that with 75% of the population against hunting with dogs it would be a vote looser."
I very much doubt it. I dont like hunting but there are FAR bigger issues at stake with this election other than hunting and the fact that hunting may be allowed again would not swing it for me in the slightest and if anyone IS swayed by this then you should really open your eyes at what is really happening in the world around you!! Yes hunting is cruel BUT so is knife crime, mugging old people and child smuggling to name a few and all of which have increase under Labours dictatorship

I have just watched the video of the vote count.
Mr Guy did not even have the decency to applaud his opponent.
Sore loser or what?
Certainly not very sportsmanlike

We are living in a very unequal period in our society with great privilege for some - a 1930s UK rather than a 1960s version.

We are living in a very unequal period in our society with great privilege for some - a 1930s UK rather than a 1960s version.

Oo look, our new PM has a blue tie. Meh.