MP says merger of hospital services 'could be positive' (From Bucks Free Press)

This is just the beginning.
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The current Wycombe Hospital WILL be closed and a new, much smaller facility built. The current location will end up as flats or student accommodation for BNU.
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It is just a question of time.

geoffW wrote:
This is just the beginning.
.
The current Wycombe Hospital WILL be closed and a new, much smaller facility built. The current location will end up as flats or student accommodation for BNU.
.
It is just a question of time.

Sadly once Labour took away our key services this was inevitable. We will be hearing a lot more in the coming years on the costs of running such a huge building when so few services remain.

This drip drip tactic of transferrring services from Wycombe General is madness. People will die as a result. Whilst it's correct that we need to all cut back as a result of the economic climate, slowly bleeding to death a vital service is not justified. My son was born there and when I had a serious illness many years ago it was a life saver. Utter utter madness. We all know Stoke Mandeville is a great place but it cannot serve all those who rely on Wycombe.

AlpinaB5 wrote:
This drip drip tactic of transferrring services from Wycombe General is madness. People will die as a result. Whilst it's correct that we need to all cut back as a result of the economic climate, slowly bleeding to death a vital service is not justified. My son was born there and when I had a serious illness many years ago it was a life saver. Utter utter madness. We all know Stoke Mandeville is a great place but it cannot serve all those who rely on Wycombe.

Who cares about saving lives when you can get a fat bonus for delivering cuts and sticking within budgets?

I do.

AlpinaB5 wrote:
I do.

But you are not one of those in line for a bonus, are you?

I'm really looking forward to trekking over to SMV from Marlow for my retinopathy check - not.

Once again our local MP is not prepared to help the very people that voted for him. He should be fighting to keep services at Wycombe even though he is calling it his 'top priority'. He says that it could be 'a positive move' positive for who?
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All I ever see is more and more houses being built in Wycombe, and there are plans for many more in the pipeline The population of the area is definately growing and yet the hospital services are being moved miles away, therefore placing the burden of travel costs onto many people who simply cannot afford it.

I carry no torch for Steve Baker but admire his courage in not conveniently falling onto 'the passing bandwagon' of objecting to any change proposed to the NHS services being provided in Bucks without consideration of the facts.
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All that he is proposing is that “everybody who cares about Wycombe Hospital” participate in a consultation, which was launched by the NHS Buckinghamshire & Oxfordshire Cluster this week.
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It will be interesting to see who, other than 'the usual culptits' will be with me at any of these Consultation Meetings / Presentations to hear about what is being proposed, why it is being proposed, to express their view(s) on these proposals and, where appropriate, to offer their reasoned alternative proposals for consideration.
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Change is necessarily happening throughout the NHS (we no longer use leeches for bleeding purposes!) and not all of these proposed changes are either right, effective or appropriate. So Have Your Say whenever you can but please do not always adopt the attitude of 'there must be no changes to the services which I am currently receiving'.

I can almost hear Michael Shanly rubbing his hands together.

yog wrote:

geoffW wrote:
This is just the beginning.
.
The current Wycombe Hospital WILL be closed and a new, much smaller facility built. The current location will end up as flats or student accommodation for BNU.
.
It is just a question of time.

Sadly once Labour took away our key services this was inevitable. We will be hearing a lot more in the coming years on the costs of running such a huge building when so few services remain.

Yog your a pee brain easy to blame it on the Labour party, can tell your a tory, as thats what tories do blame it on someone else, what about your lot in the 80'S sell sell sell, now i hear today that china are buying a stake in Thames water, England is not a country no more all due to the tories selling off state owned companies to the run on the stock markets, this is why the country is on its knees

yog wrote:

geoffW wrote:
This is just the beginning.
.
The current Wycombe Hospital WILL be closed and a new, much smaller facility built. The current location will end up as flats or student accommodation for BNU.
.
It is just a question of time.

Sadly once Labour took away our key services this was inevitable. We will be hearing a lot more in the coming years on the costs of running such a huge building when so few services remain.

Yog your a pee brain easy to blame it on the Labour party, can tell your a tory, as thats what tories do blame it on someone else, what about your lot in the 80'S sell sell sell, now i hear today that china are buying a stake in Thames water, England is not a country no more all due to the tories selling off state owned companies to the run on the stock markets, this is why the country is on its knees

I have been told the feeling of various different people who work in Wycombe Hospital - from clinical to the administrative side - they believe they are shutting Wycombe Hospital down bit by bit. They believe the end result will be that it is only going to be outpatients appointments only in the future.

If our local MP believes that this could lead to 'positives' - I would like to hear what positives there will be for people living in High Wycombe.

Previous changes that were made, it was stated was becuase Wycombe has an aging population that needs to be catered for. Now they are moving these services!

stevet123 wrote:

yog wrote:

geoffW wrote:
This is just the beginning.
.
The current Wycombe Hospital WILL be closed and a new, much smaller facility built. The current location will end up as flats or student accommodation for BNU.
.
It is just a question of time.

Sadly once Labour took away our key services this was inevitable. We will be hearing a lot more in the coming years on the costs of running such a huge building when so few services remain.

Yog your a pee brain easy to blame it on the Labour party, can tell your a tory, as thats what tories do blame it on someone else, what about your lot in the 80'S sell sell sell, now i hear today that china are buying a stake in Thames water, England is not a country no more all due to the tories selling off state owned companies to the run on the stock markets, this is why the country is on its knees

Where have you been for the last 10 years?

At least do some research into what has happened to hospital services in Wycombe under Labour before you jump to the wrong conclusions.

yog wrote:

stevet123 wrote:

yog wrote:

geoffW wrote:
This is just the beginning.
.
The current Wycombe Hospital WILL be closed and a new, much smaller facility built. The current location will end up as flats or student accommodation for BNU.
.
It is just a question of time.

Sadly once Labour took away our key services this was inevitable. We will be hearing a lot more in the coming years on the costs of running such a huge building when so few services remain.

Yog your a pee brain easy to blame it on the Labour party, can tell your a tory, as thats what tories do blame it on someone else, what about your lot in the 80'S sell sell sell, now i hear today that china are buying a stake in Thames water, England is not a country no more all due to the tories selling off state owned companies to the run on the stock markets, this is why the country is on its knees

Where have you been for the last 10 years?

At least do some research into what has happened to hospital services in Wycombe under Labour before you jump to the wrong conclusions.

well believe it or not, recovering from from 3 different operations and you stuck in a tories pocket

stevet123 wrote:

yog wrote:

stevet123 wrote:

yog wrote:

geoffW wrote:
This is just the beginning.
.
The current Wycombe Hospital WILL be closed and a new, much smaller facility built. The current location will end up as flats or student accommodation for BNU.
.
It is just a question of time.

Sadly once Labour took away our key services this was inevitable. We will be hearing a lot more in the coming years on the costs of running such a huge building when so few services remain.

Yog your a pee brain easy to blame it on the Labour party, can tell your a tory, as thats what tories do blame it on someone else, what about your lot in the 80'S sell sell sell, now i hear today that china are buying a stake in Thames water, England is not a country no more all due to the tories selling off state owned companies to the run on the stock markets, this is why the country is on its knees

Where have you been for the last 10 years?

At least do some research into what has happened to hospital services in Wycombe under Labour before you jump to the wrong conclusions.

well believe it or not, recovering from from 3 different operations and you stuck in a tories pocket

It was Labour that took away our maternity services and downgraded A&E!!

Granted the Tory run County Council let it go through but Labour supporters really need to wake up to what their party did to the Country and to Wycombe.

yog wrote:

stevet123 wrote:

yog wrote:

stevet123 wrote:

yog wrote:

geoffW wrote:
This is just the beginning.
.
The current Wycombe Hospital WILL be closed and a new, much smaller facility built. The current location will end up as flats or student accommodation for BNU.
.
It is just a question of time.

Sadly once Labour took away our key services this was inevitable. We will be hearing a lot more in the coming years on the costs of running such a huge building when so few services remain.

Yog your a pee brain easy to blame it on the Labour party, can tell your a tory, as thats what tories do blame it on someone else, what about your lot in the 80'S sell sell sell, now i hear today that china are buying a stake in Thames water, England is not a country no more all due to the tories selling off state owned companies to the run on the stock markets, this is why the country is on its knees

Where have you been for the last 10 years?

At least do some research into what has happened to hospital services in Wycombe under Labour before you jump to the wrong conclusions.

well believe it or not, recovering from from 3 different operations and you stuck in a tories pocket

It was Labour that took away our maternity services and downgraded A&E!!

Granted the Tory run County Council let it go through but Labour supporters really need to wake up to what their party did to the Country and to Wycombe.

you should be a member of the moster raving loony party fool, what about maggie thatcher and john major days, cuts cuts cuts, sell sell sell, us the british people we do not own it now, all owned by other countires, hardly any manufacturing jobs, do we still own a british company that makes family cars, get back in yout cage man

I'm very surprised to read our local MP Steve Baker's comments, is he representing the people of High Wycombe? Surly what Steve should be doing is looking for a way to maintain hospital services in High Wycombe (within budget) as those who elected him want, not through in the towel and take the easy way.
It is unselfish acts of generosity, such as those by Dicko's Dolphins by both those giving their time and those giving money, that have provided such a wealth of beneficial organisations in the area including some of the hospital's facilities now to be taken away.
I see this policy as one of the many short term remedies taken with considering the long term or wider implications. By moving facilities from High Wycombe to Stoke Mandeville there will be an increase in traffic, increasing the possibility of more accidents on route and requiring additional assistance from all three emergency services (more money required there then) wear and tear on the roads requiring more maintenance (more money required there then) or maybe the roads will have to be made wider or new roads built to bypass the villages etc. (more public money there then) I'm sure there are other considerations to the public purse. There is also extra cost to the private purse, fuel for the car together with wear and tear or public transport fares.
What impact will the move have on the ecology?
What about the extra stress on individuals at such times?
How many lives will be lost because of the move?
I challenge Steve Baker to answer all these and other questions being raised.
Rodney.

The thin end of the wedge went in when the maternity ward was disolved a couple of years ago. It was only a matter of weeks after that happened that several babies were born in the ambulance or a car on the way to Stoke Mandeville. Only this time, the headline might be "patient dies in ambulance en-route to Stoke Mandeville".

It is so unsavoury to hear a politician, especially one's own MP say something is their top priority while they hack and slash like there's no tomorrow.

Rodney Ranshaw wrote:
I'm very surprised to read our local MP Steve Baker's comments, is he representing the people of High Wycombe? Surly what Steve should be doing is looking for a way to maintain hospital services in High Wycombe (within budget) as those who elected him want, not through in the towel and take the easy way.
It is unselfish acts of generosity, such as those by Dicko's Dolphins by both those giving their time and those giving money, that have provided such a wealth of beneficial organisations in the area including some of the hospital's facilities now to be taken away.
I see this policy as one of the many short term remedies taken with considering the long term or wider implications. By moving facilities from High Wycombe to Stoke Mandeville there will be an increase in traffic, increasing the possibility of more accidents on route and requiring additional assistance from all three emergency services (more money required there then) wear and tear on the roads requiring more maintenance (more money required there then) or maybe the roads will have to be made wider or new roads built to bypass the villages etc. (more public money there then) I'm sure there are other considerations to the public purse. There is also extra cost to the private purse, fuel for the car together with wear and tear or public transport fares.
What impact will the move have on the ecology?
What about the extra stress on individuals at such times?
How many lives will be lost because of the move?
I challenge Steve Baker to answer all these and other questions being raised.
Rodney.

as they say in the commons, here here come on steve baker answer the gentleman

This is one of the dirtiest and foul smelling hospitals in the country. Here are some examples of current disgusting standards.
1] The windows in many wards are Aluminium supported with wooden frames. When you touch them they are filled with bacteria. And the sealants used to support these windows are mouldy with black fungus and insects crawling out of them. Aluminium is the worst material ever contemplated to be used in a hospital.
2] The recent removal of Asbestos in and near the Third/Fourth Floors is a recognition that the whole Hospital is full of this most insidious material. And to think that this Asbestos was near the wards where people are being nursed back from respiratory diseases. How can the administration accept this?
3] Waiting four hours to clear the bins that contain yellow bags from "aged" and "other" persons in Ward 4B and elsewhere (these often contain urine and faeces as well as ulcerous skin debris!) is a total health hazard for other patients in the Ward. This practice is disgusting and should not be allowed to continue. It also happens in other wards.
4] When patients leave their ward beds why aren't these beds deep cleaned like any others we see in other countries?
Why aren't their lockers also cleaned out so that another patient can be sure that his/her own personal goods do not get contaminated with a previous patient's apparel? (If you say that they are they are not!)
5] Why is it that there has never been any attempt to control the cleanliness of the stairways and lifts in the main hospital.
Take a look at the dust in these and also note that there are still asbestos fibres in the atmosphere.
6] The security issues in the front of the Hospital do not stop anyone from entering the Hospital. If this was a Business – and many people reading these notes will agree – everyone entering their premises would have to be logged in and logged out under Health and Safety Legislation.
7] When was an inventory last made of the Staffing (Nurses and Doctors etc.) going in and out of the Building to smoke? All around the Hospital there are tens and if not more areas where personnel bunk off to have their smokes whilst on Duty. What is going on here? Take a look outside at any time of the day and see for yourself! The area is littered with cigarette ends!
7] The Public Toilets (in the main Hospital Block - there is only one!) are invariably dirty and unclean.
8] The sanitary areas in some of the Wards contain Formica surfaces and these are scratched to pieces and are a breeding ground for vermin.
9] Any person entering the hospital can walk straight in off the street or off a farm and they can walk in with any manner of diseases on their foot wear and clothes. This means that they can walk in with any Dog Dirt or Faeces, Animal Manures, Sewage Sludge, Bacteria, Viruses, Animal Diseases (BSE, Scrappy, Horse Cough etc.) and Chemicals and Sprays or Whatever and these can and will be spread all around the Hospital! A Hospital claims to be a Healthy Environment for Treating Illnesses and not for Wantonly Spreading them.
10] Why is it that the Staff in the Hospital are banned from Reporting these issues?
11] Why doesn't the Hospital formally publish its Death Rates from Operations and Nursing as a Formal requirement we see practised in Other Hospitals.
12] How is it that the Hospital has got a Fire Certificate when some of the Doors to the building open inwards!
Has there ever been a proper fire drill at the hospital?
Sorry this hospital is so antiquated and so dirty it needs closing down!

CarolHorner wrote:
This is one of the dirtiest and foul smelling hospitals in the country. Here are some examples of current disgusting standards.
1] The windows in many wards are Aluminium supported with wooden frames. When you touch them they are filled with bacteria. And the sealants used to support these windows are mouldy with black fungus and insects crawling out of them. Aluminium is the worst material ever contemplated to be used in a hospital.
2] The recent removal of Asbestos in and near the Third/Fourth Floors is a recognition that the whole Hospital is full of this most insidious material. And to think that this Asbestos was near the wards where people are being nursed back from respiratory diseases. How can the administration accept this?
3] Waiting four hours to clear the bins that contain yellow bags from "aged" and "other" persons in Ward 4B and elsewhere (these often contain urine and faeces as well as ulcerous skin debris!) is a total health hazard for other patients in the Ward. This practice is disgusting and should not be allowed to continue. It also happens in other wards.
4] When patients leave their ward beds why aren't these beds deep cleaned like any others we see in other countries?
Why aren't their lockers also cleaned out so that another patient can be sure that his/her own personal goods do not get contaminated with a previous patient's apparel? (If you say that they are they are not!)
5] Why is it that there has never been any attempt to control the cleanliness of the stairways and lifts in the main hospital.
Take a look at the dust in these and also note that there are still asbestos fibres in the atmosphere.
6] The security issues in the front of the Hospital do not stop anyone from entering the Hospital. If this was a Business – and many people reading these notes will agree – everyone entering their premises would have to be logged in and logged out under Health and Safety Legislation.
7] When was an inventory last made of the Staffing (Nurses and Doctors etc.) going in and out of the Building to smoke? All around the Hospital there are tens and if not more areas where personnel bunk off to have their smokes whilst on Duty. What is going on here? Take a look outside at any time of the day and see for yourself! The area is littered with cigarette ends!
7] The Public Toilets (in the main Hospital Block - there is only one!) are invariably dirty and unclean.
8] The sanitary areas in some of the Wards contain Formica surfaces and these are scratched to pieces and are a breeding ground for vermin.
9] Any person entering the hospital can walk straight in off the street or off a farm and they can walk in with any manner of diseases on their foot wear and clothes. This means that they can walk in with any Dog Dirt or Faeces, Animal Manures, Sewage Sludge, Bacteria, Viruses, Animal Diseases (BSE, Scrappy, Horse Cough etc.) and Chemicals and Sprays or Whatever and these can and will be spread all around the Hospital! A Hospital claims to be a Healthy Environment for Treating Illnesses and not for Wantonly Spreading them.
10] Why is it that the Staff in the Hospital are banned from Reporting these issues?
11] Why doesn't the Hospital formally publish its Death Rates from Operations and Nursing as a Formal requirement we see practised in Other Hospitals.
12] How is it that the Hospital has got a Fire Certificate when some of the Doors to the building open inwards!
Has there ever been a proper fire drill at the hospital?
Sorry this hospital is so antiquated and so dirty it needs closing down!

And do you live in wycombe and what area

So you accept this. I went to visit someone there on several occasions and it is a disgusting antiquated hospital with low moral all run by administrators.
Have a look yourself at these details.

CarolHorner wrote:
So you accept this. I went to visit someone there on several occasions and it is a disgusting antiquated hospital with low moral all run by administrators.
Have a look yourself at these details.

I agree with majority of your coments, but we need a new Hospital built in high wycombe, stoke manderville unacceptable, wexham park different trust, M40 major motorway, high level of accidents, narely alive people from these, stopke manderville come on no 2 or 3 laned roads there, i belive best idea is booker airfield ( keeping booker aifield in operation ) also right place to put a junction in off the motorway, recoup all the departments moved to stoke manderville, i am not saying have specialist departments but consultants who can advise, for treatment like heart ops, neuro spec, john radcliffe, baby units,etc, health top bosses get huge bonuses by saving money without true knowlege in large towns of the needs, or maybe get rid of handy cross sports centre move that to booker airfield space, the think tank graduates more likely on private shcemes do not give a toss about anyone except thereselves or real close family

Our MP is deluded or daft.
How reducing the level of service in Wycombe's A&E dept was an improvement for our district is absurd and awful, putting lives at risk and increasing suffering.
Saying that removing or reducing some other services from Wycombe Hospital is OK for us all is absurd. Why can't Mr Baker represent the views of Wycombe area folk?

I can assure they will soon be re-visiting the midwife led maternity unit soon. Recently it was mentioned it was in the top 3 in the country (im not able to find the link at the moment), however so they can close it and transfer it to Stoke Manderville they have changed the crieria. So they are not able to hit the figures needed to keep it open, they have increased the number of patients by an extra 100 per year.

They are setting it up to fail, so they can transfer that as well!

Well Stevet123 you have agreed that this hospital is so disgusting a venue to have any one ill within it that everyone despairs whenever they are told that they are going there.

All the Wards excepting the new private bit need fully demolishing to remove the filth the cockroaches weevils mice and asbestos as well as remove some of the mostantiquated layouts ever imaginable. My point was that in Wards 3A and B, 4A and B and elsewhere the floors wals ceiling windowws and general cleanliness is so poor and of such a low standard that it needs to be cllosed down and totally demolished and then replaced.
The site at the Booker Airpark we agree would be appropriate but that is not as good as the Sports Centre at Handy Cross which has a far better access route. This Sports Centre is due for removal and the better place for that is at the Booker Air Park Site.
By freeing the Handy Cross site the long awaited modifications to the M40 A414 (Marlow -Wycombe Road) junction could also be managed. It won't deal with the absolute nonsense of the twin ascents to that junction along the M40 from both Beaconsfield and Stokenchurch for that alteration involving the realignment of the motorway - as was to be fully financed in 1994 by the then Conservative Government and Labour opposition has since been neglected despite the money being put aside for it. No what is needed is a fully renewed hospital for the Wycombe area and one that is as near to the M40 as possible would be the best choice.
My point was that the Wycombe Hospital ranks as the lowest of a number of disgustingly filthy and poorly managed hospitals in the Country. It needs replacing as the current issue is that many many lives are lost in it by the filth that is seen in it day in and day out.
I for one would hate to be sent there as I do not think I would survive the disgusting state of the wards for more than a day. Yet those people who object to the loss of services there seem to accept this filth. Obviously the Management of the NHS area accept it as they would have done something about it before now and also got rid of the poor quality of nursing staff there.